Tonight, massive evacuations are underway, is now a category five Hurricane Milton takes aim at floridas West Coast by Source Tonight is the mayor of tampa, but they blunt warning for those who are staying behind plus Vice President harris is kicking off a Media Blitz. What she just said it a new Interview Tonight about firing that glock that she owns. And his israel is marking a somber for anniversary, the number of antisemitic incidents here at home is off the charts. Were going to bring the latest data to tonight. Im kaitlan collins, and this is the Source Debris from hurricane helene. Tonight, florida is now bracing for another monster storm hurricane. Milton is barreling toward floridas West Coast with winds that are up to a mindboggling 180 miles per hour. This storm has exploded from a tropical storm to a category five in just 24 hours milton, as it is turning over that very warm water in the Gulf Coast right now is more powerful lin, any storm on this planet this year. Millions of people across the Tampa Bay Area are being warned to get out now most floridians, as we can see, are following Suit Jamming the highways and rushing to safer ground officials. There are preparing for one storm as some residents and other states are still unaccounted for after helene, which has now killed 235 people in total. You would think that sobering number would encourage World Leaders to stick, to encourage our leaders here to stick to the facts given how many lives and livelihoods have been shattered but Donald Trump has continued to push outright false information, which Vice President Harris Today blasted, is irresponsible theres a lot of this this information being pushed out there by the former president about what is available. Its extraordinarily irresponsible. Its about him, its not about you and the reality is that fema has so many resources since that are available to folks who desperately need them as harris was telling reporters about What Fema is offering to those who are affected by these storms. She was also asked about reports that floridas republican governor is dodging her calls reporting Governor Desantis is ignoring your calls on hurricanes resources, and help how does that the situation here else should really be the moment that anyone the later because theyre going to put politics aside people people are desperate need of support right now and playing political Games Moment in the rights of emergency utterly here and it is about political okay. That is doing the job that you put people first now Governor Desantis denied those reports and we are just learning tonight. He did speak with President Biden a short time ago as hes made clear, his state has gotten what it needs from the federal government i didnt know she called me. I saw that, but i was not aware of that the president has approved of what we asked for. Were thankful for that. Everything weve asked for from President Biden, he is approved well have more on that. And the misinformation that weve been seeing spread by some officials today. But were going to start tonight with a live update on when and where milton is expected to strike. I want to get right to cnns chad myers, who is in the Cnn Weather Center in chad. This became the strongest storm of the year anywhere on the globe. It just took a matter of hours what can you tell us about how strong it is right now and where its headed in florida extremely warm water. Heres the yucatan peninsula, heres the bay of campeche. This is the gulf of mexico. Hundred and 80 mile per hour winds around the center of the core. Now, what i can find right now because we have a Hurricane Hunter Aircraft in it at this point, its not getting any stronger than i maybe thats maybe tongue in cheek, but it is not it has been getting stronger, had been getting stronger all day long, hour by hour. It got bigger and bigger and bigger. Now at least its flattened out. And hopefully by Morning Itll flatten out some more. But from 50 to 180 miles per hour in 36 hours tropical storm warnings, Hurricane Warnings are already posted and Youll Notice that Hurricane Warnings are almost All The Way to the East Coast of florida because Hurricane Conditions will be there. Were going to have major winds, major Hurricane Wins in this entire purple area from Fort Myers All The Way up toward the last Hurricane Hit and hurricane winds All The Way across orlando though, to the East Coast. The surge is going to be a big problem. This storm is going to carry 15 feet of search, and thats a problem because weve talked about the damage we saw the damage from the last storm and the surge with that storm was only six and seven even on up to where it was really bad, cedar key, nine, but now were talking ten to 15. I know youre going to talk with the mayor of tampa. This is a big concern of his All The Way from denied and All The Way down to Fort Myers. This is going to be a major slosh of the ocean ten to 15 feet deep and some of those Barrier Islands are not going to be recognizable yeah. Its just a scary prediction. Obviously, well be watching it all closely. Chad myers, well continue to check back in with you as youre watching this. Thank you. Of tampa, florida, jane castor, mayor castro. Its great to have you here. I know you have a lot going on what is your number one message to tampa Residents Tonight . The number one message as it has been for several days now, is that you need to prepare do whatever you need to do, and then get out of the Evacuation Zones, which now are Evacuation Zone a and b and as we all have heard, so many times now you hide from the wind and run from the water and we are talking about right now the possibility of a direct hit with ten to 12 foot tidal surge. Put that in perspective, hurricane helene, which just left the Tampa Bay Area we could go, there was six Foot Storm Surge and that was literally devastating to so many in our coastal area. We have 126 miles of coast just in the city of tampa. And some people need to be heeding that warning and from the looks of traffic on all of our north found highways, theyre doing just that. Yeah. Weve seen how jammed up those highways are. I know a lot of the tolls have been suspended to help facilitate people getting out of there. What would you say to People Tonight who were saying, you know what . Im going to ride this out. Ive read anothers out what would you say to people who arent heeding those Evacuation Orders . Well, i can tell you right now that they may have done that and others theres never been one like this and this Helene Elaine was a wakeup call this is literally catastrophic and i can say about any drama to station whatsoever. If you choose to stay. And what are those Evacuation Areas you are going to die wow. I mean that is an incredibly blunt message and i know you have a lot of experience dealing with these storms. You dont say something like that lightly. There ive never said that. In ten to 12 foot surge. I mean, if this takes a jog to the south thats going to save us from the Storm Surge. But it stays on the track that its projected to be on right or if it goes a Bi T helene the aquafence as its known to stop the Storm Surge and it worked. But but from what i read, it said it can only stop out 15 feet of water. Are you worried that may not be enough for this storm . I am worried about that, but it worked before that. Its not on a kind of an island its on an island. Davis islands. And of course that hospitals close to 100 100yearsold was built there, wouldnt be built there under current conditions. But that aquafence really save that hospital. So hopefully the engineering behind it continues to work where the weight of the water holds the fence down and keeps the water from coming in. But it is rated for 12 feet. So if we he hit the Storm Surge, is that high tide hopefully that fence will hold and the surge will just go over the top of it well see what happens with that. Yeah. But they have all the patients are up higher on higher floors. But it certainly would take out the electricity, the generators, and so forth at that location may or youre dealing with such serious matters here, having to move Hospital Patients to higher floors in case of a big Storm Surge, closing the tampa international airport. Obviously, a very busy airport. So many steps that youre taking and delivering this blunt Message Tonight I cant believe i have to ask this, but i do want to ask you if the misinformation that weve seen about storms and the federal response is getting in the way actually an affecting your Disaster Response as a City Official its not, that is just all noise out there. And it it really is sad that individuals would stoop to that level. Its to bring politics into something like this. Kevin guthrie the Emergency Manager they are on top of it everyone is working together to make sure that we keep our communities as safe as we possibly i can during this event yeah. Just seeing how urgently youre working to clean it from one storm and prepare for the next mayor. Were thinking of everybody in tampa hoping everyone stays safe. Thank you for taking the time to join us tonight. Thank you, kaitlan. I appreciate it and as weve reported here on the source On Friday, a lot of the misinformation about the federal Governments Disaster Relief efforts is being unleashed by none other than the former president in a new interview on fox news, trump repeated that again, saying at one point that Storm Victims were only getting 700 50 Bucks from fema so were in almost 300 Billion for ukraine and yet theyre offering people 750 for immediate needs for the worst but for the worst hurricane that anybody seen i want to bring in cnns chief media analyst, brian Stelter And Brian that part there at the end. I mean, it is only for immediate needs. Its if you need to get baby formula, water, food. And the next immediate timeframe, if youre one of these people whos had your house completely destroyed by this but this is catching on this 750 thats all of these victims in North Carolina and these other states are getting its just not true, but your explanation took a few sentences and its cheaper and easier for Donald Trump to lie about it thankfully, themis Fighting Back, they have a Rumor Control Page at fema. Gov, but the people who most need to read it are the ones who wont believe it. And this is the unfortunate result of decades and decades of lying about government, of Eroding Trust in institutions. Of course, we should all be skeptical of the government. We should all hold government accountable. But theres been so much destruction of Truth And Trust that were at the point now where people would rather believe anonymous, probably foreign Propaganda Actors on x, then they would act actually believed their local Government Officials. But theyre looking at actual Government Officials who are also spreading this. I mean, its marjorie taylor greene, the congresswoman from georgia has posed it was posting that week they were they do control the weather vane, control the weather posted this tonight. This meme or not even a it says they Cant Control the weather and then she listed which of patents underneath it as if that is evidenced that someone is controlling the weather. And i think some people might see this and say, oh, Thats Marjorie Taylor greene. Of course. Shes spreading conspiracy theory. There is a very famous meteorologist in alabama, james span. Everyone follows him. Everyone looks at him when somethings happening that he had to post earlier today because essentially, please stop sending me these conspiracies about the government controlling the weather and they created this hurricane because all that garbage is overwhelming. His inbox and he Cant Help share what his true meteorologists including Government Meteorologists at the national hurricane center, are going to save lives in the next few days. And marco rubio, the senator from florida who On Friday was tweeting about the fake jobs report, sowing doubt about the government statistics today, he is imploring his constituents to believe the government forecasts to take the Government Information seriously, to believe the government data what a difference three days makes from marco rubio. And he is supposed to be one of the more responsible ones. I think thats ultimately what so far frustrating here. Kaitlan, as we see these Government Forecasters and these broadcast meteorologists trying to save lives. I spoke with a person Donald Carolina on saturday, a public Information Officer and Rutherford County who said that debunking all these lies has Quote Consumed Resources that could have been more effectively utilized in the Recovery Efforts what im afraid is that we are seeing the same thing now with Hurricane Milton. Were seeing the same lies starting to spread. And were going to see an actual Human Toll as a result yeah, its a scary thought as were watching all of this, brian stelter, thank you for keeping up with that up next, Vice President harris just appeared on 60 minutes where she was pressed on immigration and she also revealed more for about that gun that she owned including the time when she has fired, it will bring you that here in a moment. Also, on this october 7, israel is marking a year of anguish war. 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But we need congress to be able to act to audie get straight to my political sources tonight, including a member of congress who is here with us congressman ro khanna. You were listening to that interview, that answer there. Do you think she answered that question in the right way . Thats sufficient to voters who do have questions about why the biden administration didnt act sooner for so shes taking the tough questions and three followups heres the reality the President Biden came to congress for a comprehensive Immigration Reform on Day One of his presidency. Now he waited for three years because congress didnt act. You can argue, well, maybe he should have done it sooner, but the problem was he wanted congress to go first and he was really hoping to get a bipartisan deal and of course that bipartisan deal that was later crafted trump saying, which is what she often points to but but kevin, when you look at that and that answer, i mean immigration is one of the number one concerns voters have and trump often does better in polling than she does on this issue. So i think it is a question of how she talks about this on the campaign. And i think thats right. And i think one of the reasons that trump wins on this issue is because he has such resolve he has such a calcified opinion about what exactly he thinks is wrong with the border and how hes going to fix it. Oftentimes we all agree that he fall short on specifics on the policies on that, but because he has so has such its resolve. Thats why he wins. I think one of the problems with the answer that Vice President harris has here, and shes had this in many of her interviews, is that she comes off as very irritated by even seeing the questions, by even having the field the questions. And then as a result, i think shes sort of kind of meanders a little bit and ends up spending more time im explaining rather than really focusing on the hard truths that are the policies that she hopes to bring to fix the problem. And so i think she is lulac she lacks and ability to really gain some credibility with voters by approaching it that way is that how you saw it, sara, that she was a little defensive on the question. I do. This is not her winning issue. Her winning issue is womens rights and abortion. And so anytime she gets the chance to talk about that, you can see her light up. She has a personal story to tell about it and to including what inspired her to go after this issue as a prosecutor, shes obviously winning in terms of the polls with women right now. So thats where she feels most comfortable. I think one of the other issues though with that question is that shes constantly be sort of being asked to go so through congress or she mentioned, well, this is an issue that were going to have to work through congress, but her Track Record in her relationship of getting things done through Congress Isnt so robust. Its not something that we hear about a lot. You dont hear people on The Hill talking about how closely theyre working with Kamala Harris, or how closely even were with her as a senator because she wasnt there for super long. And so thats going to be a challenge for her every time she leans the answer this with a Tax Question to cbs. Every time she says, im going in through congress, how attorney she was played a decisive role in getting the Inflation Reduction Act passed. The american Rescue Plan passed. I mean, she was calling me she was calling members of congress to get the agenda throw. So i do think that as she deserves credit for some of the relationships on the Tax Question. I mean, shes calling for more specifics than Donald Trump. No ones asking how hes going to get mexico to pay for his wall in which hes pointing out is that federal revenue right now is 17 of gdp. It traditionally has been up to 20 . They have a concrete plan how to raise the revenue, getting corporations to pay tax from overseas yeah. And of course, if she does have a republican house and maybe a republican senate, thats going to be even tougher question for those plans. But she was also asked about what she said before. She said it actually first in a Cnn Town Hall in 2019, but shes been repeating it as she is trying to appeal to these more moderate voters disaffected conservatives about her Gun Ownership and she was pressed on the specifics of that in this interview. Heres what she had to say about her glock what kind of guns you own and when and why did you get it . I have a glock and ive had it for quite some time and i mean, look, my background is in Law Enforcement and so there you go. Have you ever fired it . Yes of course at a Shooting Range . Yes, of course, i have i mean, that is not the democratic answer. You would always expect for a democrat to be touting that they own a glock. Theyve been to the Shooting Range and used it. What do you make of her tactic . Well, i think it comes off as somewhat inauthentic look and i have my im having flashbacks right now because i worked for Mitt Romney who tried to appeal to a lot of second Amendment Gun owners by saying he was a Hunter And Hunter throughout his life and to tell you the truth, gun owners, people who really care about the second amendment issue, i think on the one side, the gun on her side they only care that youre not going to take that right away from them. I think on the other side of this where you have more moderate Centrist Gun owners who believe in second amendment rights, but also they want to see tremendous amount of focus on safety and also the research that drives the best Safety Solutions when it comes to policy. But when you talk about it through the terms of what i have a glock and so therefore, i am im just like you i think it falls flat and it doesnt really resonate with a lot of voters. Do you think it fell flat, congressman . I think shes being honest. Shes not pretending the hunt. I mean, this is not John Kerry dressed up, going, trying to be someone he wasnt. I mean, thats why we lost a the campaign youre in. This is just for being honest. She has been talking about this since she was a senator in california since ive known her, she has a gun its a glock. She was asked did what else is she supposed to say . Sara. I also have to ask were listening to Vice President harris in this interview. It is tradition before an election that 60 minutes sits down with both candidates and trump did sit down with them in 2020, but he walked out of the interview. We actually reported halfway through because he was upset with leslie stalls questioning. They backed out of an interview last week, the Trump Campaign disputed that they had backed out, but but Scott Pelley actually read Text Messages from trump officials and said this was why they were told trump was not coming on the show. The campaign offered shifting explanations. First, it complained that we would fact check the interview. We fact check every story later. Trump said he needed an apology for his interview in 2020 trump claims correspondent Lesley Stahl said in that interview that hunter bidens controversial laptop came from russia. She never said that i mean, its pretty remarkable to see how they handled this yet, but they had to, because if youre a News Organization nowadays, trust in news is at an alltime low. The number one thing you can do to regain trust is to be transparent as transparent as you can without breaking any sort of violating any sort of Source Agreements if they had said this is off the record, thatd be one thing they clearly didnt. Cbs has the right clearly they value views or trust. I mean, Kevin Trump would have gotten a huge audience from this, these interviews garner a lot of viewers if hes not doing another debate. I mean, do you think this was a missed opportunity for Donald Trump . I dont. I mean, Donald Trump has 110 Name Id right now. Hes talking to the voters that hes already wants to talk to. And so i dont think a missed opportunity he was 60 minutes. I think if anything, he sends a message to his Base Voters that again, hes on the attack against the media and they love that. Thank you all for being here up next, were going to speak to a senator about her issues that shes facing as she is a very competitive race also, this comes as Donald Trump is setting off a new storm with claims. Hes made about undocumented immigrants suggesting those who commit murder have bad genes, language the White House says is hateful, dangerous, and vile with more reporters on the ground and the best political team in the business, follow the candidates, follow the voters, follow the facts, follow. Cnn now on this, its sad those. 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Tammy baldwin, senator, thank you for being here on that comment there, the Trump Campaign is claiming tonight that he was referring to murderers when he said, quote, its in their genes. Whats your response to that . Look, Trump Launch this as a political issue for his campaign. I know youre talking about in the previous segment but we could have had in place for months now a bill that would have brought 1,500 new Border Patrol agents to the bipartisan measure drafted in large part by one of the most conservative republican senators. And it would also have brought in technology to help us scan nearly all the vehicles that come in to be able to interdict more or the illicit fentanyl. This was a very important, this was about solving problems and instead, trump and my republican opponent, eric have d, i wanted this as a political issue that they could run on rather than pursuing real solutions. Well, and it made let me think of something that he said when he was in your Home State of wisconsin yesterday. I want everyone to just listen for those who missed the Trump Rally to this comment i will liberate wisconsin and our entire nation from this Mass Migration invaded senator. You see the crowd standing up and cheering as he says that, does the wisconsin that, you know, look like the wisconsin, the Donald Trump is describing there no, but at i hear him talk about liberation. I think about all the women in the State Of Wisconsin that have fewer rights and freedoms than their mothers and grandmothers. We have an Abortion Ban, criminal Abortion Ban that was passed in 18 in 49 in effect because of the dabs decision. If we need liberation, we need to return to where we need to codify. Im past my Womens Health Protection act, which is the bill that would codify roe v. Wade. Thats what we need in terms of liberation in State Of Wisconsin trumps been in wisconsin eight times in the last four days. Or four times, i believe in the last eight days, he is going to some democratic strongholds when hes making stops there. You said recently that youre confident that there are Trump Tammy voters, obviously referring to people you believe will split the ticket between voting for Donald Trump voting for us senator, who theres a lot of people i think that would be curious. Who are those voters well, i would say just this week i got the endorsement of the Wisconsin Farm bureau. Its the first time in almost 20 years that theyve endorsed a democrat but i know a lot of Dairy Farmers who may wrote, and i doubt its amazing. October 7th never would have happened if i was there. I mean, hes also said that if he doesnt win, the jewish people have a lot to do with it. Look like i think theres no question that when he was in office, he did things like the Abraham Accords that were incredibly important for the region and was putting it on a path to peace. And now things seem to have unraveled. On the other hand, i think october the seventh Isnt Something that he or President Biden or any one person could have stopped. Unless were talking about the government of israel. So there are real questions to ask about how October Seventh happened. The real question to ask of the idf and the israeli intelligence. But today, on this day, its not about President Trump or Vice President harris. It needs to be about the victims remembering what happened to them and focusing on that loss. Yeah. And just their pain. Jonathan greenblatt, thank you for coming on tonight. Thanks, caitlin. Up next, it is one of the more explosive claims that we saw last week when that massive filing came out from the special counsel, Jack Smith. It was the, quote, make them riot. 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As that conversation was happening on Election Night 2020, crowds were gathering and Police Officers were standing guard in front of the rooms where those ballots were being counted. You can see it here. According to the special counsel, when it was suggested that there was about to be unrest in detroit, Person Five responded make them riot and do it with three exclamation points. Meanwhile, civil servants were working throughout the night just trying to do their jobs and make sure every vote was properly counted. Angry trump supporters were venting their frustrations just feet away, banging on the glass, taunting and yelling at them. Outside, more of the same was happening as crowds were forming and they were spurred on by online lies about the election. Count. Well, cnn can now report tonight that, according to a source familiar with the matter, Person Five is Mike Roman. He was trumps director of Election Day operations. I should note a spokesperson for the special counsels office declined to comment further. Romans attorneys did not immediately respond to our inquiries, either. My Source Tonight is the Michigan Secretary of state, jocelyn benson, and thank you so much for being here. I just wonder what you make of the fact that someone who was directly employed by the Trump Campaign was sending messages like this, encouraging them to make People Riot . Yeah, well, its clear that there is a direct line between the Trump Campaign and an intention to incite violence outside the very place where poll workers and observers from both parties were observing a process of counting valid votes. And its chilling because it underscores both, i believe, a Knowledge And Intent to create disruption and to recognition that that that regardless of the results or even with knowledge that the election had been lost at that point, there would be an intention to keep pushing a lie in a way that was intended to not just disrupt the counting of valid votes, but the peaceful transfer of power in our country. Does it scare you for this election to see what was actually being said behind the scenes . It does. I mean, it scared us in that moment to see everything unfold. Its chilling now because its a reminder that though the 2020 election is behind us, everything that we were up against in 2020 is not. And the 2024 election could very well be a resurgence of these same types of tactics. Perhaps even more violent and more vitriolic and more sophisticated even than what we dealt with in 2020. So were prepared both in michigan and in pennsylvania and in arizona and nevada. Weve been preparing for this election since 2020, knowing what we could be up against based on what we experienced then. But its still very scary. Its still still very chilling. And its really sad that, you know, we cant have a system where both sides recognize the validity of the peoples will and will stand by it, even if they disagree with it. Youre the secretary of state. But but could Mike Roman be prosecuted potentially for this . Well, that remains to be seen. I think, you know, thats certainly what the special counsels filing. And i think the Justice Process will play out in the months ahead. But i think its important in this moment also, you know, a month out, less than a month out from the November 5th election for all of us is The American people to recognize the need for accountability and the potential for accountability at the ballot box, even if and when legal accountability plays out, The American people can still look at these facts and these allegations as well, and make their judgment and hold people accountable for trying to overturn their will, their voices. And thats what i believe needs to be front and center in all voters minds, regardless of political affiliation. In the weeks ahead. Yeah, its just so remarkable to see that its a Campaign Official when someone is telling them legitimate ballots, they look like theyre theyre the right ones for another candidate. And instead of just accepting that loss that they are instead Fighting Back against it. Secretary jocelyn benson, thank you for joining us tonight. Thanks for having me. 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