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"the source" with kaitlan collins starts now. collins starts now. see you tomorrow. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight straight from the source, an adult website and botox. a scathing new report says that george santos misspent thousands of his donors dollars. and tonight the calls are growing for him to be expelled from congress. plus the israeli military says it has recovered the body of a hostage near the al shifa hospital. also releasing new video that it says shows a tunnel shaft inside gaza's largest medical center. we'll go one-on-one with a top u.s. official in moments. and why has osama bin laden's two decade old manifesto justifying 9/11 gone viral on tiktok? and more importantly, why are some young americans sympathizing with it? i'm kaitlan collins, and this is "the source." ♪ indicted congressman george santos now says he won't be running for re-election next year. but re-election may have been the least of his troubles. tonight, he could be facing even more legal jeopardy. the house ethics committee has just referred its new findings on santos to the justice department. the report finds, quote, substantial evidence of additional uncharged, unlawful conduct by the new york republican. the committee suggests that more crimes were committed than the 23 that santos was already charged with. i should note, he has pleaded not guilty to those. the report finds that santos stole from the campaign and those funds to pay for his own personal expenses. he bought nearly $3,000 worth of botox, purchases at -- sephora, taxi and hotel charges in las vegas during the time when the congressman told his staff he was on his honeymoon. and also, quote, smaller purchases from the website onlyfans. if you're watching and you don't know what that is, don't google it on your work computer. just trust me. santos called the report biased and a, quote, disgusting, politicized smear. the ethics committee did not committee as part of the investigation, but the reason they gave is because he is a serial liar and his testimony would have low evidentiary value. he did admit he made errors on financial filings. >> were there mistakes made on those forms? >> now i know they were. were they malicious? no. did i understand reporting date. this is last year to current date this year. no, i didn't understand how that worked. and i'm a new candidate and i'm sorry that mistakes were made. >> he is sorry that mistakes were made. well, the ethics committee found that they were much more than mistakes. and now the question is what will his colleagues think. a number of house republicans have indicated they will vote to expel santos when that vote comes up again, having previously not supported it enough to at least remove him from congress. but many were waiting for this report from the ethics committee. so far at least ten republicans who voted against it last time now say they would vote for it. i'm joined now by santos' fellow new york republican congressman, mike lawler. congressman, what do you think? do you think george santos is ultimately kicked out of congress? >> oh, no question. you know, he is a serial liar who, with the report now out, is proven to be a serial liar. and, you know, everything that i and many of my colleagues from new york have said for months has bourn out. and i think it is time, long past time, for george santos to go. if he had any dignity or decency, he would have resigned yesterday. we'll see between now and the time we get back whether or not he pleads guilty or resigns or both. and whether or not we obviously have to come back and expel him. i bet the votes are there when we get back. >> you think the votes will be there. if there's a republican tonight who's on the fence and doesn't know which way to vote, what would you say to them? >> this isn't about party. this is about country. it's about the institution. and anyone who is serving in public office needs to hold themselves and we need to hold them to a higher standard. george santos has defrauded the voters. he defrauded donors. he defrauded the nrcc. his treasurer pleaded guilty about a month ago. a staffer pled guilty just this week to impersonating kevin mccarthy's chief of staff on a phone call with donors to try and defraud them of money. and obviously he misused campaign funds, including paying for shopping sprees at ferragamo and ar maize and including a subscription to onlyfans. i mean, it's absolutely absurd. it is, you know, would be like an episode of "veep." and it would be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. >> yeah, it's funny, except it's not because it's disturbing. i mean, i'm assuming -- you were elected at the same time he was. i'm assuming you knew you're not supposed to spend your campaign money on that kind of stuff. >> that goes without saying. you know, look, i think campaign funds are meant to be used to get your message out to the voters, to help elect you to public office. they're not meant to be used for personal gain in any way. and, you know, obviously at the end of the day this is about the public trust. this is about the people that we represent, being able to trust that we have their best interest at heart. and when you see episodes like this, when you see individuals like this who get elected to congress, it demeans the office. it demeans the institution. and it really does break the public trust. so, i think this is far bigger than party. it's far bigger than politics. and it's time for him to go. >> well, given that, we heard from speaker mike johnson today. he says he's troubled by the report, but he didn't explicitly call for santos to resign. do you think that speaker johnson should? >> look, i'll let the speaker speak for himself. i have said repeatedly that george santos needs to resign. i called on him to resign going back to the beginning of the year. i called on him to resign when he was indicted. i joined my new york colleagues in putting an expulsion resolution on the floor and voted to expel him. he needs to go, and i think after this ethics report came out today, the sentiments i have heard from many of my colleagues, including those that were waiting for a level of due process here, is that he's got to go. >> but speaker johnson, i mean, he's the leader of your party. and you're saying that party -- that politics should not be put over that here. don't you think that that means, you know, the leader should call on him to step aside? >> well, i think the speaker said in a statement that, you know, we need to put the institution above all else. so, i think -- you know, i would read between the lines there that george santos needs to go. and if he's unwilling to, you know, show a little bit of decency and dignity here and resign, then he needs to be expelled. and i expect that when we get back from the thanksgiving recess, if he is still a member of congress, there will be a privilege resolution brought to the floor, and he will be expelled. >> congressman mike lawler, it is something that you have been saying for quite some time now. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, kaitlan. of course in light of this damning new report, george santos does still represent more than 770,000 americans in the third district of new york. many of them had some thoughts on the allegations. >> he lied to everybody. >> we deserve better. >> we definitely need some fresh blood, somebody who's going to be ethical. >> it's wrong, you know? we need honesty. >> george santos, ugh. >> our cnn senior political analyst john avlon is here. john, i know how much you love history. i have a fun fact for you. >> oh, good. >> if he is expelled, as congressman lawler predicted, he'll be the only member of u.s. history to be expelled from u.s. history who has not been convicted in court who is not fighting in the confederacy. >> my grandparents were from youngstown, and they remember that unfondly when that went down. folks have been waiting for this report. this report is as damning and detailed as the indictments he's already faced. and it's just so pathetic and so tawdry. mike lawler there, new york republican, wants him to resign, along with others, because he's a stain on them. but what calls for country over party, 100%. when he starts expecting anything resembling decency or integrity, will surface in the frame with george santos, good luck. ain't going to happen. not in the same zip code. >> i think when you look through the 55, 56 page report today, they included an exhibit where his campaign staff, they knew something was going on with him. they created this vulnerability report where they basically had all the reasons and questions they had. they urged him to resign or to step out of the race. he didn't. the three of them resigned. so, the signs were there. they weren't obvious, obviously. >> they weren't, and it's because he'd run previously and he'd lost by a lot and people didn't think the race would be competitive. we didn't know how bad it was. we didn't know it was predicated entirely upon a fraud. and a fraud he perpetrated on his constituents, on the voters of long island in nassau county. i think this is a downstream effect of donald trump. if you're concerned about fraud, if you're concerned about serially lying, well, then it's not just george santos because it's frankly donald trump who turned shamelessness into a political superpower, who made people feel that lying was somehow table steaks for politics. politicians should be held to a higher standard. it should be a higher profession. those are the sentiments that congressman lawler is drawing on. it enabled this absurd figure -- and maybe it'll take this to remind people that those attributes should not be tolerated in our politics. >> everyone deserves due process. it's not just republicans. senator menendez is facing charges and he's remaining in the congress. >> equal justice under the law. democrats have been calling on senator menendez to resign and not just from his home state because it makes him look bad. republicans call on santos to resign. that's the return to politics we see. people in parties are willing to police their own outliers. they're noting will to defend the indefensible. >> what happens if he doesn't resign. they need 50 republicans more than voted last time to expel him from congress. they're not there yet based on the numbers. we'll see if it changes after the break. what happens if he doesn't get expelled. >> i think he will symbolize the stain on the congress, and it'll be a shame to the republican party. he'll be ostracized. he say he's not going to run for re-election again. flipping what he told manu raju weeks ago. the only reason to keep him in question isn't a question of precedent now. it's a question of whether republicans want to leave their majority to an even thinner number. that's not a good enough reason. they've got to apply certain basic standards. and then it's not just about george santos. it's applying those standards more broadly. if your problem is with lying, with fraud, with degrading the truth and skimming off your donors and spinning on these ridiculous details, apply those standards forward. >> john avlon. >> thanks. >> we know that you would never do that. >> never. ahead, israel has released new images tonight to back up its claims they say hamas has been using a major hospital as a command center. hamas is calling that a baseless lie. i should note, we're going to have the white house spokesman, john kirby, to explain it next. also, why is osama bin laden going viral on tiktok? tonight israel's military says it has proof of hamas' tunnel structure under gaza's largest hospital. this video was released a day after they raided the al shifa complex. at one point the video, which has been geolocated by cnn, it shows one of gaza's main hospitals. cnn cannot verify the idf's findings. we've been able to get a comment from hospital authorities since this video was released. doctors and health officials have denied these accusations from israel. the idf also says that their troops found large stashes of weapons and ammunition. they also announced that they have recovered the body of an israeli hostage near the hospital. israel says that hamas killed a 65-year-old grandmother. it's not clear how she died tonight, show we do know she was kidnapped from kibbutz be'eri on october 7th. her husband was also attacked. growing evidence to provide -- the united states says it does have intelligence to back up that claim and for more on that, i am joined now by john kirby. admiral kirby, thank you for being here. does the u.s. plan to release any evidence that it has that this al shifa hospital was being used as a sprawling hamas command center, as you've said? >> i don't have any plans to speak to you tonight with respect to release of our own intelligence. but i can assert, as the president did yesterday, that our own intelligence analysis does corroborate the claim that hamas was using that hospital as a command and control node, probably also to store ammunition, other weapons, and of course as a potential temporary housing location for some of their fighters. >> but john, you know as well as i do that there is skepticism over this. the u.s. says it has this intelligence, israel says it has this intelligence. but neither side is showing evidence of that intelligence. and obviously people in the u.s. have been skeptical of claims of intelligence at times. wouldn't it be helpful and important to build confidence in these assessments to show that evidence? >> well, the idf is doing that. they're releasing imagery. they're releasing video. they're walking through the hospital and showing through camera coverage what they're finding. again, i don't have any plans to speak to you tonight about releasing any u.s. intelligence. but it is solid intelligence that, in fact, hamas was using the hospital in that way. and it's right out of their playbook, kaitlan. they routinely try to put civilians in harm's way by tunnelling under their homes and headquarters in hospitals and schools. they deliberately try to use the innocent people of gaza as human shields. so, this is right out of their playbook. >> i should note what israel has shown is part of a tunnel shaft and they've shown guns and other things they found in the hospital, not the sprawling complex they alleged it was. john, based on what the u.s. does know, do you believe that the raid on al shifa hospital was justified? >> we know that this was a tough dilemma for the israelis, kaitlan. i mean, we know that hamas was using that hospital. we know they were in command and control of their forces out of there, at least some of their forces out of there. but we also know it's a working hospital with patients and medical staff and even young children. so, it's a tough dilemma for the israeli forces. one hand, you want to be able to eliminate a very viable, very critical threat to your own country. on the other hand, you've got this added burden of protecting people. and as we've said, we don't want to see hospitals as fire fight locations. we don't want to see them as battlegrounds. it is a violation of the law of war that hamas would headquarter itself inside a hospital. and, again, it puts that extra burden on the israeli forces to do so in precise and careful way as possible. they have gone in on the ground. they have gone in in small numbers to try to be as careful as possible. but obviously we're going to stay in touch with them and make sure and urge them as much as we can to be careful and deliberate and to not place those patients and those medical staff in any greater harm's way than hamas has already placed them in. >> the idf said today that the body of a 65-year-old hostage, an israeli woman, was found near al shifa in this complex. do you know, john, if any american hostages were being held there? >> no. we don't have any information to confirm that. we're still working very, very closely with the israelis to get more information about where all the hostages are. and i think we have to assume that they're not all in one place. we know there are still a small number of americans, and we're still doing everything we can to try to gather more information about them. but, no, i can't confirm. they may have been held at al shifa. i don't know that. >> you're in san francisco with the president now, john. we've seen in recent days protests over president biden's refusal to call for a ceasefire last night. the democratic national committee had to be evacuated. you saw the pro-palestinian protesters outside, very tense clashes. have those protests moved president biden's view at all. >> we're very sorry that protest outside the dnc turned violent. our thoughts are with the officers that were injured and hope for a speedy recovery. peaceful protest is one thing, but when it turns violent and somebody gets hurt, that's unacceptable. the president understands, kaitlan, that there's strong feelings here on all sides with respect to what's going on between israel and hamas, but also believes and continues to believe now is not the time for a ceasefire. a ceasefire would simply validate what hamas did on october 7th and it would give them breathing space and time. what we do support and we have talked to our israeli counterparts about are a series of humanitarian pauses. and you've seen yourself and reported on that fact that they have now put in place regular humanitarian pauses. they originally announced for four hours. in recent days they expanded them by two or three hours to allow civilians to get out. that's a good, important step forward to protect civilian life, to get those folks out of harm's way so they're not in the cross fire between hamas and the idf. >> and you used to work at the pentagon. what we have seen happen in recent days there, have been at least 57 attacks on u.s. forces by pro iranian militias since the war began. we've seen the u.s. carry out multiple retaliatory strikes. do you believe they're working? >> we'll keep doing what we have to do to protect our troops and our facilities in iraq and syria. they're there for a viable mission. they have come under additional attack. we will continue to take the actions we need to protect them and protect their ability to continue to go after i.s.i.s. our message to the groups and to the irgc, the revolutionary guard corp. that is supporting them is you need to stop these attacks. they're unacceptable. and if you don't, there will be additional consequences for you. >> will they be any different than we've seen, given the deterrent strikes have not deterred the attacks so far? >> if the attacks continue, we will respond at a time and a manner of our choosing. you've seen us just in recent days go right at targets that were tied to the revolutionary guard corp., to their facilities, where they were training, headquartering, where they were storing ammunition in some of these rockets and other materials that were used by these militia groups. we will continue to hold the irgc and these proxy groups accountable if they continue to attack our troops in iraq and syria. >> admiral john kirby, as always, thank you for joining us here. >> good to be with you. up next, a cnn exclusive. the department of education now looking into reported incident of anti-semitism and islamophobia at seven schools here in the u.s. the first such investigations we have seen happen since that october 7th terror attack in israel. the schools are spread across the country. they include one k-12 school in kansas, six colleges, including cornell, columbia, and wellesley. at the conclusion of that investigation, we are told the department of education will make recommendations to those schools. and if they're not followed, they could risk losing federal funding. also tonight, two decades after 9/11, osama bin laden's justification for the attacks has resurfaced on social media, with some young americans sympathizing with him. yes, really. we'll talk about this disturbing tiktok trend with the last western journalist who actually interview bin laden. he's here next. videos online focusing on a letter that was written by osama bin laden have now wracked up millions of views in just a matter of days. with dozens of them showing young americans expressing sympathy for the al quaeda leader. yes, you heard me right, sympathy. this is a letter that was published a year after september 11th attacks by the terrorist who orchestrated it. and it went viral on tiktok, with users embracing parts of his message, that message defending 9/11, attempting to justify targeting and killing u.s. citizens. it's also filled with anti-semitic tropes and conspiracies. the premise, for the most part of these videos, is criticism of american support for israel in this ongoing war with hamas. tiktok says the videos promoting that letter violate their platforms rules against supporting any form of terrorism. many of the posts have now been removed. we also even heard the white house weighing in on this today, telling cnn that the videos are an insult to the victims of the terror attacks. joining me now is the last western journalist to interview osama bin laden, cnn's john miller. john, my question here is how is the intelligence community treating something like this? are they trying to figure out if these are bots, if this is a foreign government, if this is real? how do they look at the popularity of these videos? >> all of the above. they're trying to figure out -- this drove very far and very fast. 48 hours ago this unfolds with a tiktok influencer. she posts a recording of somebody's reaction to the letter, and that's, kind of, the first we see of it. but you want to, kind of, go back to where is the digital crime scene? where did this begin? and how did it move that way? she has 175,000 followers. it gets 800,000 views. it gets 80,000 likes, which when you're talk about a letter from bin laden justifying 9/11 calling for the destruction of israel, the violent overthrow of united states and repeating every anti-semitic trope in the staple set, is unusual to see that. but then it spreads to, according to "the new york times" tonight, 14.2 million views and shares. so, they're trying to figure out , is there something else behind it driving this snowball downhill has it got bigger? is it a bot? is it an a.i. feature that caused it to move faster wider. >> they all had pretty similar language. if you watched the video, they were all young people. they all were saying, i just discovered this. >> it's an existential shift. it changed my whole view of america and terrorism. it was as if they were going through a script. >> yeah. >> which is something that they have to look at, which is are they just playing off what the last person they viewed said and they're unoriginal? or is it something more than that? >> and the other part of this is that the platform itself. tiktok. they've long been accused of being a home to anti-semitism and allowing that to, kind of, fester. they've pushed back on that. but when you look at the numbers here, one-third of americans 18 through 29 get their news from tiktok, and a lot of the potential viewers of this or the people putting it out weren't even born with 9/11 happened. >> i think a key to this on the social media -- on the social phenomenon side, the key to this is a complete lack of context by someone who is shown something and told to join in the conversation and simply repeats what they heard five seconds ago. not very sophisticated. but the other question is, what's the effect this is having? the intelligence community assessment today is we're seeing this now being repeated on al quaeda channels saying, sheik osama's letter is being viewed by millions of americans -- >> oh, they're touting this. >> -- who are finally understanding what this is about and what our brothers in hamas are going through. it's also -- this is the one that, kind of, knocked me back. it's also -- the letter -- is being posted in right wing violent extremist channels where anti-semitism is their normal flavor saying, this guy actually gets it. >> can we just talk about the person who wrote this letter. the idea people were sympathizing with him. you were the last western journalist to interview osama bin laden. if any young tiktok viewers are watching who saw this video, how would you describe it? >> there are things in that letter that are thematic to the things he told me that night in an al quaeda base in 1998, which is, you know, i predict a black day for america, after which th. he was encouraging a revolution. he said, we beat a superpower before, the russians. and the soviet union fell when we forced them out of afghanistan. but he also said -- and this is thematic to his letter -- you know, you will only understand this as a people when you find a government that represents your interests instead of that of the jews. the anti-semitic theme from osama bin laden started, you know, long before the world discovered -- rediscovered -- this letter. but it's echoed in there. >> yeah, disturbing trend. john miller, thank you. >> thanks. ahead, it did not take long, only a few hours, after donald trump's gag order was lifted here in new york and he returned to social media attacking the very person he was barred from attacking. (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪) get exclusive offers on select new volvo models. contact your volvo retailer to learn more. well, that didn't take long. tonight, online donald trump is attacking the clerk of the judge who is overseeing his civil fraud trial here in new york. but this time he won't face any repercussions, no fines or reprimands from the judge here. that's because trump is posting just three and a half hours after a new york appeals court judge temporarily lifted the gag order that barred the former president and his attorneys from bashing court staff. among other things, trump has called her a politically biased and out of control trump-hating clerk. of course i should note there is no evidence of that. the judge has steadfastly defended her as a public servant just doing her job here. you'll recall he put this order in place after trump denigrated the trump clerk the first time. the judge fined trump for breaking the order, then extended to his attorneys, then fined trump again for breaking it. the gag order is now lifted until november 27th. former federal prosecutor jen rogers is here. jen, what do you make of the fact they lifted this gag order just temporarily. do you think -- is that pretty standard? >> it is. it doesn't mean much. you want to keep the status quo in place. the status quo is nobody is stopped from doing anything they have the right to do. that's why they put a temporary pause on it. and the judge will decide the merits. >> what i was thinking of -- and the trump argument has been this violates his first amendment rights. that's why this is even before a court. the judge, when he put this in place said, you can attack me all you want, but he was worried about the safety of his staff. now trump is free to attack heher at will on social media. >> yeah, i mean, he doesn't really have a leg to sustained on i don't think. i think the appeals court will uphold the gag order because he's still free to say basically whatever he wants. it's a witch hunt, the ag is after me, this is all the biden administration. as long as he doesn't target the law clerk, that's the only thing he's prohibited from doing. i think it will be in place after the judge will consider it. the problem is, as you said, how many times will he attack her before that happens. >> there's a lot of time between now and then. something else that i have a feeling, just a hunch, that he'll be also posting about, what we've learned tonight, which is president biden is not expected to be charged in the classified documents case. he had his own special counsel investigating documents he took after he left office. there's a final report expected to be issued in the coming months. it is going to be critical of how he handled those documents. what do you make of how that's resolved if that reporting bears out? >> so, i think it's the right result. the justice department, merrick garland, reported a republican, u.s. attorney appointed by trump, so you can't allege any bias there. >> he does. >> he shouldn't. he has no basis for it. they took their time, they did a thorough investigation, and apparently they will be critical. there were classified documents that were found in places that were unsecure where they shouldn't have been. so there should have been criticism. from what we know if this holds up in the report, no knowledge, no intend, full cooperation. it was biden who brought to the attention of the authorities in the first place there were classified documents. >> so, very different situation compared to trumps. >> really opposite. trump's case, of course, knowledge and intent. he still to this day says he was entitled to have them, fought for the national archives for months. had to have a search warrant executed by the fbi. and obstructed justice, according to the fbi, by destroying evidence when it came to light. >> the other thing i want to get your legal take on is there's this other investigation -- this is into hunter biden. there's a special counsel into that as well. and what we've learned exclusively here tonight is that the special counsel there is using a grand jury in california to compel documents requests, testimony as well from potential witnesses. they've subpoenaed president biden's brother, jim biden. how significant is that he's using a grand jury in california. >> this is bad news for hunter biden. he's facing the gun charges in delaware. they were supposed to have him plead to misdemeanor charges in delaware but that fell through. they're clearly going after him now. you can't issue grand jury subpoenas without a grand jury. so, obviously they're looking into it and probably trying to build a felony case against him. they don't need actually an indictment to file a misdemeanor. so, if they just wanted to go ahead and file those, they could. this suggests they're looking for something more. >> a long way from that plea deal they came so close to striking. jennifer rogers, a lot of legal issues to break down. thank you for doing that. meanwhile, as we talk about the 2024 race and what that looks like, trump is still far and away the front runner in that race. but now someone is gaining on him in the first primary state of new hampshire. nikki haley is now in second place. what's behind that sururge? we'l'll discuss s with top p pol minds nextxt. . former south carolina governor nikki haley has now secured a second place position behind donald trump in a key 2024 primary state. cnn's latest pole in new hampshire shows that trump is still in the lead by a comfortable margin, but haley has climbed eight points since september. in iowa, she's tied with ron desantis at 16%. in south carolina, she's ahead of desantis. and again in that second place position behind donald trump. two top campaign veterans are here to break down the numbers with us. ashley alison served as the national coalitions director for the biden/harris campaign. do you think these numbers show nikki haley is having a moment? >> look, she's definitely -- she's had some good debate p performances. and in a world that's desperately looking for an alternative to donald not a chance. >> what about the sense that she is kind of waiting in the wings that if something happens to trump with his legal issues or anything like that that that is a position for them. >> listen, i think, this is the strategy. everybody is kind of waiting for donald trump to falter and the only person that could beat donald trump is donald trump. you've seen the past couple days where he has said some things that i would advise him not to be saying, those are the kind of things that would cost the presidency. donald trump of focused on the economy, the border, things that people care about and not about you know, political enemies, i think it would be a breeze to the presidency. i think if you focuses on the wrong things it's going to be a much more competitive race. so the folks like nikki haley and governor christie you just had, you just ran some tape on and other folks, they are just waiting for donald trump to stumble and i think none of them contributed and he will have to stumble on his own. >> if only donald trump would talk about the economy and immigration more. i think i've heard that for the last six years. >> i'm trying my best, kaitlin. >> it's like a movie we've seen before. ashley, when you look at these numbers and you talk to new hampshire voters, they don't seem that concerned about trump's electability. they seem to think that he is electable, how does that square up with nikki haley's argument that if you look at the head-to- head matchup, that she could beat joe biden, based on where the polling is today. >> i think nikki haley is leaning into the concern by many americans that they are not looking forward to a donald trump and joe biden match. but just to david's point about nikki haley, i don't know if anyone will be able to catch up to trump but when i look at those numbers, if chris christie or ron desantis were to drop out of the race, nikki haley gets a whole lot closer to donald trump than anybody has been in the last eight years, and it's time the republicans if they really don't want him to be the nominee, to pick someone and one person only to consolidate behind and see if there voters will follow that individual because it is clear that a substantial amount of people are starting to go away from donald trump. we know 35% of his base are not going to leave him but it is seeming like some of the other folks that are staying in the folks -- in the race longer they need to consolidate to have a chance. >> do you think it would be helpful that she could actually be more competitive with trump if the other people got out of the race? >> i'm not quite sure, ashley makes a good argument, it seemed logical, if somebody gets out that the people would shift automatically to the next person at the line but i'm not quite sure that's the case. not quite sure that folks, they might switch over to donald trump, who knows. until somebody decides to get out of the race, we won't know that fact to be true. one fact, we can add up the numbers on the other side and see, do they beat from? they don't. vivek ramaswamy got out ron desantis, got out, and you gave all those numbers to haley, does she somehow magically beat donald trump in a head-to- head contest, that's not the case. i don't think that'll be the case moving forward whether it is not in the caucus states, you know but in new hampshire, south carolina, any of the early primary states, i don't think you will see that happen. >> does this change, given you know the current white house so well, does this change any of their thinking because they seemed resolved to the idea that if the nominee is going to be donald trump, does that shift at all or do you think they are still preparing for a trump-biden rematch? >> it shouldn't shifted. the reality is whether it's donald trump or nikki haley, they have similar viewpoints or ron desantis or chris christie, they have similar viewpoints that people really care about particularly when we just sa w the one on abortion. i think the messaging of the democratic party should be clear, we are the party that wants to protect freedom, improve the quality of life for poor people and middle-class folks and we are the party that actually wants to protect our democracy and one way to do that is to protect our elections and acknowledge the winner of the election in 2020 which none of those folks with the exception of chris christie has done. >> i was going to say quickly, let's not forget ashley has got an interparty scrum on her side of the aisle. >> we are talking about you all today. >> okay but last night outside the dnc, you saw some of that, i think it'll play out more in the future. >> yes, that did happen last night but you can't compare that to january 6th, right? >> no, no, i'm not saying that's a january 6th comparison but young people in the democratic party, there's a huge shift right now. you are seeing and all of these poles, and in presence, you see people pulling away from the party. >> as always, thank you both. up next, a major-league baseball team is now making a shift from something they had decided, pulling out of a state years ago after a controversial law. we will tell you more ahead. you want to be able to provide your child with the tools or resources they need. with reliable internet at home, through the internet essentials program, the world opened up. fellas, fellas. that's how my son was able to find the hidden genius project. we wanted to give y'all the necessary skills to compete with the future. kevin's now part of this next generation of young people who feel they can thrive. ♪ ♪