university. following that, services at the carter presidential library. and two days later, a funeral service for family and friends at the baptist church in plains, georgia, where the former president taught sunday school for decades. the news continues. "the source" with kaitlan "the source" with kaitlan collins starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, a remarkable clash underway inside the appeals court that is wrestling with the scope of donald trump's gag order. we'll take you inside the heated arguments that happened today. plus the white house is hopeful that negotiations between israel and hamas for the release of the hostages are, quote, close to the end. the aunt of a 3-year-old israeli american being held in gaza who sure hopes so will speak with us in moments. and a tech titan's sudden ouster has upended the world of artificial intelligence. the shakeup leaves the future of openai in dout tonight, with more than half of its employees threatening to walk out. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is "the source." tonight, we are closely watching a decision that could come down at any moment and would have significant consequences for the criminal defendant and presidential candidate donald trump. three federal judges right now are deciding whether to keep or get rid of a gag order in that criminal case in washington, d.c. accusing him of plotting to overturn the election. when it was in place, it restricted his ability to directly attack the special counsel, members of his team, court staff, and maybe most importantly potential witnesses at his trial. americans even got to listen in on these arguments today. >> the order is unprecedented, and it sets a terrible precedent for future restrictions on core political speech. >> this is only affecting the speech temporarily during a criminal trial process by someone who has been indicted as a felon. no one here is threatening the first amendment broadly. >> from what we heard, it sounds like the three-judge panel is poised to reinstate at least some version of the gag order. you heard one judge saying there that it doesn't broadly threaten his first amendment rights. but they also signalled they may loosen other parts of this gag order, like allowing trump to criticize the special counsel. one judge suggested that jack smith, that special counsel, could handle the verbal attacks. >> he has to speak his manners while everyone else is throwing targets at him. >> can't be that he can't mention mr. smith. surely he is -- has a thick enough skin. >> all eyes tonight are on the d.c. circuit court of appeals waiting for word. as we wait, joining me now is former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst el jot williams. elliott, i know this is unprecedented. trump has totally blurred the lines between his legal defense, his presidential race. what do you expect the judges to do here? how do they balance that? >> i think they keep some form of gag order in place, kaitlan, but they just carve it up a little bit differently. the judges seem to be signaling that by perhaps opening the gag order up to allowing criticism of jack smith directly or something like that. look, this is -- we talk about a lot of legal issues in context of donald trump, and i can say with certainly that the first amendment, free speech, is by far the hardest to figure out because everyone in america, regardless of citizenship status, is entitled to free speech. no one is entitled to threaten anybody else. but the line between those two can be complicated, particularly when you're dealing with candidates for office. it is incredibly complex. and the judges today, who are very exceptionally bright individuals, all three of them. i know them a little bit in town here. were really struggling with that. we'll have to see where they land on this. >> it was fascinating to be able to listen in to them go back and forth with the trump attorneys, the special counsel's team. if this order is upheld, if it goes back into effect, i think what we could see happen with the judge here, judge chutkan, having to deal with something pretty extraordinary, which is, what happens if trump violates that gag order? >> that's the thing. enforcement is itself a question. none one, she can warn the former president, once again, as he's been warned multiple times in other cases. but then you move to this new world of some sort of enforcement order, where often in federal court what you would do is file a new proceeding to bring criminal contempt proceedings against an individual who violated an order. that's never happened before, certainly for a former president. and, you know, it's one of those unprecedented areas. it's just, again, what do you do? and one of the questions that came up today along those line, kaitlan, is do you wait for a threat to come, or do you preemptively bar him from threatening everybody? even that is a little bit complicated and a little bit tricky. so, it just remains to be seen how they're going to handle it, number one, if he does violate something or number two, if he want to prevent him from doing it in the future. >> we'll see what they decide. elliott williams, thank you for your analysis. of course as we wait to see what they decide, these continuing legal troubles around the former president, he is still the overwhelming favorite for the republican nomination, at least at this point in time. my next guest is learning new details about what a second trump term in the white house could look like. joining me now is a rare appearance on cnn, his first on "the source," chief washington correspondent, jonathan carl, who is author of the new book "tired of winning: donald trump in the end of the grand old party." john carl, it's great to have you here. as we're waiting to see what these judges are going to decide, as you heard elliott talking about, part of this centered on, you know, he's been attacking potential witnesses in this case. mike pence, bill barr, general milley. if the panel rules against him, do you think he'd be able to help himself here? >> it's hard to imagine it. i mean, i thought it was very interesting in the proceedings when the judges, in questioning the prosecution, questioning defense counsel, used the example of mike pence. what if trump issued a warning to mike pence before he testified in this case if he were to testify in an open trial. and said, mike pence has a chance, once again, to do the right thing. i mean, we saw what happened on january 6th, when trump put so much pressure on pence that it literally unleashed a mob seeking his execution. and trump, just a couple of months after that, told me that the mob was chanting, hang mike pence, because they were angry. and he had absolutely no criticism whatsoever of the people calling for the execution of his vice president. so, no, i have a hard time imagining that even with a gag order that trump won't test the limits of of that gag order. >> you mentioned, you know, the last days of the trump white house. in your book, there's a chapter where you, kind of, see this isolated and defeated trump. it's banished to mar-a-lago, end of his presidency. you write about the days that followed him, you know, were, kind of, bleak, that he was spending his days on a patio at mar-a-lago, just this remarkable moment from going to the white house to this. i'm wondering what you think those days, how his first term ended, would tell you about what a second trump term would look like. >> well, kaitlan, one thing i detailed is how, in the final weeks, really the final few months of the trump administration, they went about a process of trying to rout out all of the people that were in any way disloyal or not sufficiently loyal to donald trump. johnny mcinty, his very junior aide, who at one point was just carrying the president's bags around and then was put in charge of the white house personnel office, led this effort to rout out disloyalists. by the time you got to january 6th, there were very few people left to challenge the president. but there were a few. there were people like white house counsel pat cipollone, who tried to keep him from doing things that were blatantly illegal. of course gone shortly before january 6th, but bill barr at the justice department and jeffrey rosen, who replaced him. the thing is, i believe, based on the reporting in this book, that a second trump term begins with all of those people who would have kept him in check, who did keep him at least partially in check in those final days of his presidency, would be gone. they wouldn't be there. they're going to hire for loyalty. as one of johnny mcentee's top aides back then has put it more recently, loyalty is more important than policy. you can teach policy, but you can't teach loyalty. they are going to make sure that this is not a team of rivals, not a team of people supporting the constitution first and first and foremost, but a team of people supporting at all costs donald trump. >> and it also speaks to how he viewed people who supported biden. i mean, you write that he hung up on kim kardashian at one point because he assumed that she'd voted for joe biden. >> yeah. he doesn't want to deal with any disloyalty whatsoever. he saw that as a betrayal. by the way, he had no idea who kim kardashian actually voted for. but kim kardashian, who's become an advocate for criminal justice reform, was going and trying to get his help in seeking a pardon, a clemency, for somebody who was on death row. and trump didn't want to hear about it, just wanted to -- berated her over the phone. you want help from me? you want me to help you after you voted for joe biden? so, that's -- you know, that's the attitude is loyalty above all costs. it is loyalty above policy. it is loyalty not to a constitution or to the country, but loyalty to donald trump. >> and, you know, when i think about this, over the weekend, when we saw what happened in argentina, with the leader who won there, as we covered the white house, you saw trump had this affinity for these strong men leaders. he's congratulating this newly elected president of argentina, someone who has drawn comparisons to trump because of a populist message, embracing conspiracies. what do you make of looking what a second trump term could potentially look like, the way that his style is spread overseas? >> well, and i think that he -- it's both his style that has spread but i think he also feeds off that. he admires these strong men leaders, whether it be putin or president xi or kim jong-un or viktor orban in hungary, the newly elected soon to be leader of argentina. there's an incident i wrote about that had never come to light before. at the very end of the trump white house, the leaders of the army put out a statement. this is the chief of staff of the army ask appnd the secretar the army. put out a statement. you remember when michael flynn went out and called for martial law, suggested there could be martial law, to rerun the election. the active duty leaders of the army put out a really simple statement saying, there is no role in the u.s. military determining the outcome of an american election. very basic. there's no role in the u.s. military in determining the outcome of an election. trump was infuriated and directed his man, johnny ma mcentee, to ensure that never happened again. mcentee assured him it would never happen again and if it did, they would both be fired. i think that trump in a second term fancies himself as somebody that will be the commander, not just of the executive branch but the military, the commander in chief, but not in a way in the traditional sense that we've seen presidents, but that they will respond to him on all things, including things domestically, whether it be the insurrection act, putting down rioters, or whatever he had in mind in what they would do determining the outcome of an election. >> john carl, it's a lot of good reporting in this book. very important read. thank you for joining us tonight on cnn. >> thank you, kaitlan. >> great to have you. ahead, someone who's trying to prevent that second trump term with everything that he has got, 2024 republican primary opponent chris christie will join me. they want answers, amid optimism from the u.s. we'll speak to the family member of an american hostage right after this. tonight the white house says that hostage negotiations are, quote, getting close to the end. for 45 days, hamas has held more than 200 people captive. sources tell cnn the possible deal could include the release of 50 hostages or so for a four- to five-day pause in fighting. i should note nothing has been agreed to yet. nothing is final. we've been speaking to israeli officials regularly about how fluid these talks are, where they're going. they've been urging a lot of caution. what we do know is that the pressure on the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, is only growing more intense tonight. the families of israeli hostages met with him in his war cabinet earlier. they want answers and a written commitment to bring their family members home. 3-year-old abigail aidan is the youngest known american hostage. her parents were killed in the october 7th attacks. i'm joined by her great aunt. i should note she was appointed to the heritage abroad by president biden last year. i'm so glad that you're here tonight. and i'm sorry that we're meeting under these circumstances. when you hear from the white house that they're hopeful a deal is close, have you gotten, or your family, any information about a deal from israel or from the u.s. or anybody? >> we hear what you hear. we hear what everybody's hearing. it's frustrating because, through this whole time, it's been dark. we have been -- metaphorically it's dark. we don't know. and virtually, it is dark for these people that are in gaza. we have no answers. and people think that we're getting specific information. and just like everybody, we hear they're very close to having a deal. and until we actually see hostages released, we really don't know anything. >> and you're wearing the number on your jacket of how many days that she has been held in gaza. i mean, if you could speak to those people who are negotiating, the officials who are negotiating these talks, what would you want them to know? >> well, first, 44 is the amount of days since these innocent civilians were abducted and taken as hostages. and i wear this in solidarity with rachel goldberg, who's son, hersh, who was kidnapped, taken, had his arm blown off, and was taken as a hostage. we have been wearing this to make it clear that 44 days, how long, abigail. she is a 3-year-old little girl. there are over 30 children. there's over 50 children and mothers. i can't imagine, as a mother, what it's like to be somewhere in the dark, somewhere without -- without the family. and abigail is an orphan. abigail's parents were murdered on october 7th, and she is with -- >> how are her siblings doing? i know they survived. >> they survived. and, you know, how is a 6 and a 10-year-old after surviving -- after seeing both their parents murdered? they have a beautiful family. they have a loving family. and they are able to be themselves and to talk about what happened and to share what happened. and they're very much forward in telling what their stories are. and they're with their grandparents and with their aunts and uncles, many who survived from the kibbutz. so, they're part of a community. and they grew up with them nearby. >> i can't even imagine the trauma that a 6 and a 10-year-old would feel over this. >> i can't. >> when you talk about abigail, her fourth birthday is this friday. i mean, what do you think about when you think about the fact that she could be turning four and trapped in gaza? >> well, i can't imagine. i can't imagine her having a birthday and turning four alone without her family. and i think about her sister and brother. and their one hope is that abigail comes home. and for them to have her come home before friday and to be there and have her celebrate her birthday in their arms is a dream i have. and i just imagine -- i keep hoping that each day we wake up and we hear that there really is a release. because, you know, you think about a nine-month-old child turns ten months as a hostage. and you think of abigail turning four as a hostage. these are innocent civilians. these are children that did nothing. >> babies. >> babies. and so, you know, i just -- i keep hoping and believing. and there's been so much outpouring of love and support from people across the world and people from all different backgrounds. it's a humanitarian issue. this is not political. these are people that were innocent civilians. >> and i just keep thinking, like, as a mother, having a child as a hostage, it's -- it's inconceivable, to be honest. >> it is inconceivable. and i hope you know that we're all thinking of you. and we realize how important it is to tell your stories. >> yeah. >> and we're hopeful for abigail and for everyone that they all come home. >> well, thank you. thank you for letting me tell my story. i keep abigail's picture with me all the time. >> adorable. >> when i look at this picture, i believe that she is going to come home and be with her family and we are going to be able to embrace her and that we will be able to bring home the hostages. >> thank you, liz. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for coming on. and we're hopeful for that too. >> thank you. of course, israel has been a massive topic on the campaign trail, even here at home. we're going to speak with the candidate -- a candidate who went there. chris christie. he just went time on the ground in israel. he has a new warning for voters tonight. he'll join us live in moments. tonight on the ground in new hampshire, governor chris christie with a new warning for voters who are considering making donald trump the gop nominee. >> if trump is the nominee -- because if trump is the nominee, i bet you manchin is going to run. and you could have a situation where nobody gets 270. then it goes to house of representatives. if you think our country is divided now, imagine when that happens. those jokers took three weeks to pick a speaker. imagine how long it will take them to pick a president. and who knows where that will end up. >> well, that could be a nightmare scenario, but one that governor christie clearly sees as a possibility. governor christie, i think, you know, half that audience probably broke out in a cold sweat, the other half in hives, when you said that. do you really think that could happen? >> sure. it absolutely is a possibility. look, the country's been very clear, kaitlan, you know, a lot of times polling that's close, you can wonder whether it's really true or not. but i've seen, you know, the polling that you've seen, which is 75% or more of the people in the united states don't want it to be a trump/biden matchup. and if that's what it turns out to be, you know, you would be a situation where i think for sure you would see these no labels folks coming in, joe manchin, or some other candidate would come into a race, and you really could have a situation where no one gets to 270. i think that's another risk that run can voters have to consider when you're considering whether or not to vote for donald trump. >> well and i mean, there is a plan for what would happen there. and basically each state would get a single vote. and right now if you look at republicans control 26 state delegations, democrats have 22. i mean, this is obviously farfetched, i should note, but given the presence of these third party candidates and potential candidates right now, how destabilizing do you fear that scenario would be? >> well, look, i think the country would be, you know, horribly divided by that kind of result. and let me make clear to the people watching tonight. i didn't bring this up out of thin air. i got asked a direct question about the potential impact of third party candidates on the race. and i think that that's a real risk. but it just, again, shows you, goes to the bigger point, kaitlan, is that, you know, donald trump cannot win this election straight out. and the problem is that, you know, he's out there, you know, arguing his case to a limited audience. he's not spending any time on tv like i am with you answering questions. he's not doing town hall meetings. he goes out, he gives a two-hour rambling speech where half the time he can't even remember who he's running against, says he's running against barack obama. it's the vindication and vengeance tour that he's going to go out and tell all the people he's going to get to if he's president again. this is hardly inspiring stuff. and i think that's why you see the country so against a trump/biden rematch. >> you mentioned that sometimes he gets, you know, where he is mixed up. that's something that we often hear the white house bring up when people are talking about president biden's age. i just have to ask you given that this letter was released by the -- trust that letter. >> no. if it's anything like the letter he got in 2016, he wrote it himself and had some doctor sign it for him. i don't put any credibility behind the letter, kaitlan. what's getting to donald trump is less age and more pressure. he knows the walls are closing the in on him. >> he's getting ready to go to trial. he's in the midst of a trial right now for his business in new york. he's getting ready to go to trial the day before super tuesday for what happened on january 6th. and he knows that mark meadows, his former chief of staff, one of the founders of the freedom caucus, is going to testify against him and testify that he committed crimes and directed mark meadows to commit crimes. donald trump knows the walls are closing in, and i think that's affecting him more than his age. >> let's talk about you. in cnn's latest poll of primary voters, you're at 14% behind nikki haley. she's at 20%. donald trump is still at the top. he's at 42%. you dropped out of the race in 2016, after you were sixth in new hampshire. how well do you need to do in new hampshire to justify staying in this race? >> got to do well, kaitlan. and i'm not going to put a place on it now. but, you know, i'll eknow it whn i see it. you've seen me operate before, if i don't think i'll do well enough, i'll get out of a race. i have no interest in being a spoiler. i enter in being president of the united states. if i'm rewarred by the voters of new hampshire with a strong finish, i'm going to take this thing all the way to the convention. and i think that's going to happen. >> so, you will only stay in this race through the convention if you have a strong finish in new hampshire. >> yes, i will. >> what about south carolina? i mean, does that -- is it only based off how you do in new hampshire? do the states that follow mat senator. >> no, look, i think that the race is going to narrow cig nif kaently. you know, when you get to south carolina, i assume that nikki haley has to win south carolina. for heaven sake, it's her own state. if she doesn't win there, i think that's a problem. and quite frankly, you know, she's said she's going to do second place in iowa. so, there's high expectations for her now. and we'll see if she meets them. >> well, i mean, donald trump is certainly polling above her in south carolina. it would be quite something if she did win that state. donald trump, you know, as you noted -- >> hold on, kaitlan. >> go ahead. >> kaitlan, hold on for a second. hold on for a second. she's a two-term governor of south carolina. if you don't win your home state, which state exactly are you going to win? >> that's the question for everyone. i mean, donald trump is polling above everyone in every state. >> i understand that, but i will tell you this. we had a primary in new jersey. you can count on the fact that i'd win it. >> governor christie, i mean, well, we'll see what the numbers look like there. donald trump, though, as you noted, has repeatedly refused to show up to the republican debates. you have said before you were going to follow him around the country because he was absent on that debate stage. why haven't we seen you do so? >> i tried. i tried in new hampshire. i was shut out of the building in new hampshire the day he registered for the ballot. his campaign closed the entire statehouse, along with the secret service, and said, only people invited by the trump campaign could go into the building. so, you know, unless you're willing to kiss his rear end, you can't get anywhere near him. and that just shows how afraid he is of seeing me face to face and confronting his record and his failure on behalf of the people of this country. so, i'm going to keep trying. but, you know, he and his campaign uses the secret service to keep people away. >> governor chris christie, as always, thank you for your time tonight following that town hall in new hampshire. >> kaitlan, thanks so much for having me. happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving to you and your family as well. tonight we are seeing a growing revolt in the tech world that could have implications for really everybody. the ceo of openai dramatically ousted. and now the majority of the 800 employees left behind are threatening to quit. we'll fill you in on the artificicial intelliligence dra right after this. tonight, we are seeing a massive power shift within an industry that could one day impact every part of our lives. microsoft announcing that it has hired sam altman to lead its artificial intelligence group. that came just days after his surprise firing as the ceo of the company he cofounded, openai. that's the company that created the popular artificial chatbot that you may have heard of, chatgpt. but the drama is not over yet, or even close, it appears so. hundreds of employees are threatening to leave openai over his ouster. and there are reports he could potentially end up back there. all of this is important to watch. we're talking about technology that even bill gates says is as revolutionary as the internet. joining me now to talk about more about this is the professor of marketing at nyu, scott galloway. scott, i'm so glad to have you on to talk about this. there's a lot of folks at home who may have no idea what openai is, but the artificial intelligence community is booming right now and it could eventually effect every one of us. what do you think and how could you explain sam altman's firing and the move to microsoft and what that means for his company and for a.i. generally? >> good to be with you, kaitlan. i don't think i've been on your show before. this is extraordinary, unprecedented. you had a company that at the close of business on friday was worth more than general motors and ford. and as of tonight may be worthless because, according to wired, 90-plus percent of the entire employee base says they're going to microsoft if sam altman isn't reinstated. it's a fissure, a collision between a non-profit board and a very capitalist, commercial-minded management team. and the two just collided. but we've never seen anything like this. i think the big winner here is microsoft. i would bet in the next 48 hours, either microsoft controls openai, because sam has been reinstalled there and microsoft becomes the biggest owner with new board seats. i can't imagine the board is going to resign in mass here. the board is supposed to be a fiduciary. they have literally not read the room in terms of shareholders or employees. on a bigger level, and i'll wrap up here, we should all hope that the board was wrong. and i think an interesting question would be, what was it that had them so alarmed here that they would unceremoniously fire a ceo that's had $90 billion in value. this is a big deal. >> they referenced his communications with the board, saying he wasn't candid. they haven't produced any spoking gun or told anyone what exactly it was that led to his ouster. i think with the bigger question when you look at a.i. generally is, you know, there's very clearly a rift in this world of people who think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and people who are worried about how fast it's growing and the danger that that pace could pose. does that have anything to do with this? >> well, that's what it appears the fissure here is. i would argue it represents something bigger. and that is what might be the beginning of the end of -- investment. if you look at the corporate structure, the government structure, it looked ridiculous. there were all these entities that supposedly had total control over another entity. what appears to have value here is money and shareholder value, full stop. the notion of trying to collide this effective krapt lims, whatever the term was -- effective al truism, extruism, the two just don't work. and people are questioning esg. esg funds dramatically underperformed funds that pursued a profit motive via alpha. i think there is the ultimate indication or collision of that. that is you are either a for-profit entity seeking commercial success or you're a non-profit thinking about risk to humanity. i think there's room for concern. >> that's really fascinating, the idea that you think this is the end of that, that this is something that could -- we've seen that argument made by a lot of executives and billionaires who say, you know, esg doesn't work. does this bolster that argument, or does it just show how it conflicts, i guess? >> like i said, i think this is the beginning of esg investing. you had a board that basically -- to give them the benefit of the doubt, there was something they were worried about. they were worried that the combination of trying to err on the side -- they tried to err on the side of risk to humanity, it appears, and got very concerned. and the management team was erring on the side of being more commercially aggressive. and the reality is capitalism and the pursuit of shareholder value trounced their concerns that the board has. i've never seen a switch like this. this was a board that got caught so flat footed. talk about the mother of all not reading the room. but you can make this same argument correctly or incorrectly, good for humanity, bad for humidanity. it is dramatically underfunding, hedge funds and investors, on just finding alpha and getting profits. i think this represents a much bigger issue. that is people who claim to be concerned broadly about humanity and companies that are unfettered by this concern and just go after profits. there's no evidence these two can coexist in the capitalist model. >> you can't run a company without those employees. scott galloway, really interesting conversation. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. ahead, it is an old thanksgiving tradition at the white house that was overseen by america's oldest president. >> it's by birthday today. i just want you to know it's difficult turning 60. it's difficult. >> you heard some laughs there in the rose garden. some argue his age is no joke. wewe'll talk a about that on h 81stst birthday y next. oversaw the white house -- president biden had this quick on his 81st birthday. >> and by the way, it's my birthday today, and they can actually sing happy birthday to me. i just want you to know it's difficult turning 60. difficult. [laughter] >> i obviously, you see the president there laughing off. when you look at polls, voters certainly aren't. it regularly registers as a concern for them. something that the former senior adviser to president barack obama, david axelrod, has been warning about for sometime now. even told the new york times -- i think he has a 50/50 shot here, but no better than that. maybe a little worse. he thinks he can cheat nature here, and it's really risky. here tonight with me is alyssa farah griffin, a former white house -- actually allison, former obama white house senior policy adviser. and actually, i'm gonna start with you. the white house is obviously trying to use biden's age -- are making fun of it. they posted this photo tonight on instagram where he's got this birthday cake with about 1000 candles in front of him. you know, they're trying to laugh off these concerns. i think the question is, is that strategy going to work here? >> well, look. everyone knows how old joe biden's is not going to change. and people knew that when they elected him in 2020. the piece about it being a 50 50% chance, i feel that's been the case and almost any presidential election at this point. you can't take any race for granted, including this one coming up in 2024. but i also think outside of the presidents age, people want to see a policy portfolio that aligns with their values, and aligns with their pocketbooks. and so, the biden administration, the biden campaign, he's gonna have to carry out and really sell what they've been doing, how they've been governing these last three and a half years, and how they will continue to do that for a second term. i think people can step aside from his age of 81 if they agree with his policy decision. when compared to donald trump, most people do. >> well, speaking of trump, alyssa, his campaign released this letter today saying that he is in excellent health, that is cognitive exams -- i think we all remember, man, woman, person, camera tv when he tried to say that he had taken a test. don trump, if he's reelected, would be 83 at the end of his second term. what concerns do you think voters have about his age as well? >> well, not settled to put that out on joe biden's 81st birthday. listen, the problem in politics is that perception often becomes reality. the reality is 73% of americans think joe biden is too old. or at least that his age is a major factor in the election. when you look at how donald trump is perceived, 77, he's not much younger than joe biden, the numbers are very different. people see him as having more stamina, being somebody who's healthier. he's not perceived as as old as biden. so on the age factor, i don't know that that hurts trump as much. but that should not be the primary issue that we're dealing with. i mean, listen. voters care about it, but donald trump and joe biden, you could not have a stark contrast of two individuals. and i think the fact that biden keeps leaning into that age, i actually don't think is helpful. i think the fact that he's making jokes about -- it i think he needs before putting forward a policy agenda. the white -- washington post reports he doesn't even have a major field staff in the major swing states. that's where they need to be focusing. >> when you look at what those strings states looks like -- 70% of young voters between 18 and 34, they don't approve of the way that president biden has been handling the israel-hamas war. obviously, he won young voters in 2020 by a very comfortable margin. what do you make of that change? and how the white house addresses that when, you know, a year to go before the election? >> look, i think this is a very important issue. i don't really know if it's a campaign issue, because the reality is, a campaign just pushes the governing agenda of the person who is actually an office. but listen. democrats cannot lose young voters. they cannot lose black voters. they cannot lose progressive voters on this issue. and so, what people are saying is that, particularly the young people in this country are saying, look, we put our trust in you. and we are saying this election cycle, we are going to vote with our values and our morals. and we want you to hear us now, a year out, that we are not aligned with how you are handling this. and we want to have a conversation with you. and it's different than when it was in 2020. we are having similar conversations with young voters, because the reality is, at that point, he was then vice president joe biden, and he was not governing. so it's not about making commitments. it's about actually, how are you governing right now? and i think the biden administration should really take heed to that and consider an alternative approach. it's not just a progressive -- its faith leaders, it's the pope, it's the king institute of called for a different approach to this israel and hamas conflict, and i think the administration is gonna have to take notice of that if they want those voters to stay in the election come 2024. >> and alyssa, there's a moment where -- you used to work and comes in the white house. you're familiar with what it's like to come up to that podium. we saw john kirby, who is from the national security council, obviously, there today, responding to this nickname that biden has gotten from people who disagree with the fact that he has not called for a cease-fire, calling him genocide joe. this is what he said from the briefing room today. >> they're calling him genocide joe. do you have a response from the white house that nickname? >> we're not worried about nicknames and bumper stickers. its first amendment, free speech. >> moral clarity, leadership, john kirby is an excellent public servant, and i will say that where the biden administration is is where many independents are, and frankly, moderate republicans. i hope they continue their strong support for israel. >> very griffin, ashley allison, thank you both. great to have you both on. up next, a shocking scene is happening right now off the coast of hawaii. you see this image here. that is a plane that is as big as it looks. hi everyone on board survived, and what happened. c'mon, we're right there. c'mon baby. it's the only we need. go, go, go, go! ah! touchdown baby! -touchdown! are your neighbors watching the same game? 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