>> reporter: the biden campaign responded to those comments saying that trump is deflecting that this is just his latest desperate attempt at distraction. trump -- strategy of course is of accusing people of what he stands for being accused of. but those comments as the republican front runner come as warnings as what a second term with trump are coming into clear view. and how the stakes of it will be much higher, according to a report on the new york times that -- by well funded, outside infrastructure. we will have more on that report with maggie haberman in a moment, including on what the staff of a second trump term could potentially look like. but this is coming out some of his own former cabinet members have warned he should not be president again, including, his vice president. president trump asked me to put him over the constitution. anyone who has someone else to but themselves over the constitution should never be president of the united states again. >> reporter: we more now tonight from a former member of the january 6th select committee, democratic congressman, jimmy raskin. good to have you tonight, congressman. obviously what we've been hearing today is someone you've served on the january 6th committee with, congresswoman liz cheney, she's warning that if trump is elected again, she doesn't think he will leave the white house. she doesn't think he would leave power. what do you make of those comments? while we heard the same thing from michael cohen when he testified before the oversight committee several years ago. we've heard this from a lot of former trump people and the people who study the situation closely, he's reduced lincoln's party, which used to be a party of freedom, pro immigration, anti slavery party, into a cult of authoritarian personality around him which doesn't accept the results of elections that don't go their way. which embraces political violence as an instrument of obtaining power. it has become an authoritarian and fishes stick party. they understand that that's becoming very clear to large parts of america. so of course, trump will immediately try to cloud the picture by pointing his finger at joe biden and accusing him of being anti-democratic. which is ridiculous. when he says joe biden is not the defender of democracy, you know that joe biden is the defender of democracy. meantime, donald trump is surrounded himself with a bunch of former criminals who he pardoned. people like michael flynn and joe arpaio, and nudged, sues a steve bannon, these are all people who trump used the presidential power to pardon for crimes they were convicted of. and that they basically from the inner circle of his campaign. so you can see him trying to create the embryo of a fascist stick authoritarian criminal party once he gets back into office. this genie has got it absolutely right, if he gets back in, does any person think that really he would never leave office again, if you believe that you are just too innocent to be led out of the house by yourself. >> reporter: so you agree with, her that you don't believe that if he was elected to a second term, he would not leave the white house by his own well at the end of the term? i mean he's been spreading the big lie from even before the election when he knew he was going to lose, and he was going to condition his followers to believe that the election was going to be stolen. and then when he lost by more than four 7 million votes, three of six to 2:32, he tried to overturn the election results by spreading the big lie. he was rejected of course and 16 federal state courts across america, including eight judges himself new to the bench. he continues to tell the, likely continues to say he will pardon the january 6th insurrectionists convicted of everything from assaulting federal officers to seditious conspiracy which means conspiracy to overthrow and put down the government of the united states. he's made it clear and he's repeatedly said explicitly that he is more important than the constitution and the constitution should be set aside in order to restore his power. and does anybody think he's got any public interest in mind? no. what does he want to do? he wants to get the money making operation -- >> reporter: can we talk about what that would look like? we on what that would look like. because i think this is an important part of this conversation. it's not just the fact that he's the republican front runner, or he could get reelected, which, based on what we're saying today he certainly could. but it's what he would do if he was reelected. he's made clear that he would use the justice department for revenge against his political opponents. he talks of purging the federal workforce, the harsh immigration policies. things that are not surprising for what what republican candidate will want to do, but some that -- what she's made clear that he would do to go after his opponents. as a lawmaker, what ability or will do you think congress would have and whether those more extreme policy plans, those ideas in a second term, would become a reality? what role does congress play in that? he would like to turn the presidency into dictatorship. his models are of course his heroes in the world, people like vladimir putin, the autocrat of russia. president xi, in china. orban, in hungary. the paul soul of illiberal democracy. he wants to hang around them, and he's been concerning with them. his son-in-law, jared crist, or brought back two billion dollars from saudi arabia for the company he created the day after the trump administration ended. it's a moneymaking operation from top to bottom. he has no public program. i sat there for four years. they talked about infrastructure we can, infrastructure month, they never had an infrastructure bill, joe biden got that done in the second month of office. we put 1. 2 trio dollars into rail, train, roads, and broadband. we have a plan for the country. the democrats aren't perfect, but we're a party of democracy which believes that the government must be an instrument of the common good for the people, not an instrument for private self enrichment of the president and his family and his buddies. we know that's what they want to do because that's what they did before. that's what they've been doing ever since, and he wants to keep the grift going. when the problems on earth are just too serious. the world is on fire right now. and we have to deal with climate change and the autocrats cannot save us. the kleptocrats, the plutocrats, the theocratic, like mike johnson, they're not going to do. it's only the democrats at this point. that is the basic frame for this election going into 2024. >> reporter: congressman jamie raskin, as always, thank you for your time tonight. for more insight into trump's latest claims, what he is saying, i want to bring in cnn 's -- new york times senior political correspondent, cnn's political analyst, maggie hein. who's been doing a lot of reporting on. this, maggie first of all what you heard the congressman talking about there, trump saying that biden is the anti-democratic candidate in this race. how much of that is an age old habit of his of accusing his opponents of what he himself stands accused of? literally in this case. there's no question -- we've seen him do that over and over. he did that with hillary clinton in a famous debate in 2016 where she called him a putin of putin and he said i'm milkovich, your puppet. that's something that he pushes back on. but i think a question is the right one which is why he's doing this now. and i think the congressman is correct, that there are enough voters in the country who are concerned about -- this is not concern about the framing of stories are concerned about trump's own actions. that when people talk about his efforts to stay in power, when people talk about what happened on january 6th, it's not a especially helpful fact said to trump that is -- your try to put this back on biden because there are trump supporters who are upset that he was criminally charged. you can look at the various things he was criminally charged with and decide whether you think that was necessary. that he is trying to turn this into how he's the victim which we have seen over and over again. >> reporter: i should note, he's not ad libbing but we're hearing, just off the cuff in random interviews. he is reading off a teleprompter often. maggie, it seems to suggest there is more concerted effort to push back on that charge. what do you make of whether -- i think this is a more formal -- >> reporter: a more formal position he's taking. it was certainly the case over the weekend,, caitlin when there were signs that a trump event in iowa accusing biden of -- it wasn't just an at live -- to go back to what we said, before they're clearly doing it for a reason. if this was not a trouble spot for them, if this was not a concern to voters, about trump 's own behavior and his own statements, they would be doing it. >> reporter: what are you hearing from sources on what would be different in a second trump term, in terms of not just trump himself but who is around him and what those efforts to enact his policy ambitions look like. my colleagues jonathan swan and charlie savage and i have been working on a series about what a trump second administration but look like. going back to june. this is not hypothetical, kaitlyn. these are generally based on his own words, our peace engine was about how he said he was going to appoint a real special prosecutor, quote unquote, to go after president biden and his family. he's talked about wanting to have more control over cities. there was a comment that he made in n march wherere he talkd ababout, for n not gonna w waitr permisission to gogo, and somemg to that t effect. it wasas a clear r reference t e insurrecection act w which he dd nonot use on u u.s. citieses whn there arare proteststs, some off 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wwethat's r george george >> thank you botox keeps fillers keep >> reporter: this just, and the robust public hid national committee just confirmed will be on the debate stage this wednesday night for the next republican debate. the qualifiers down to. for as you can see here. nikki haley, ron desantis, chris christie -- all expect to be on the stage in tuscaloosa, alabama. what happens there could be made critical for these candidates and their bid to win the nomination who -- debate so far and plans to skip this one as well. joining me tonight, republican strategist and pollster anderson, and former national coalitions -- ashley allison. let me start with you because the debate stage has been set. but this is a group of people who, despite them shifting in the polls, nikki haley, they have not been able to dethrone trump's. what do they do on wednesday night? what do they need to do? there is what they need to do, and what i suspect they will. do what i suspect they will do is go after each other. they're all fighting over this piece of pie that they think is the sort of republican voter who is open to an alternative to trump. the problem for them is at the moment, that does not look like a big enough slice of the pie. what they should do is spend at least some of their time talking about the guy who's not there. and why it is time to turn the page from trump. for someone like nikki haley, she may say, look, my strategy seems to be working this far. i'm going up in the polls. i don't to disrupt things and change gears to much. i do want to take off the part of the party that is still kind of like donald trump. but if you're ron desantis, if you're chris christie, at this point, what do you have to lose, you need to go for the big guy. >> reporter: the new york times is reporting that trump donor -- excuse me, a republican donor strategist are urging chris christie to drop out. they believe he should drop out, let the support consolidate to nikki haley type. he has no plans on during that, though. he told me he plans on staying in the race until the convention potentially. what does that look like for chris christie? i think chris christie is the extreme long shot of becoming a republican nominee. the question is what does that do for nikki haley. because if you -- don't know who's going to win iowa. i was talking to a friend who does republican polling today and i said i still think that donald trump will be the nominee. she left in my face, and she said people aren't even registering that there is a primary because they assume that trump is going to be the incumbent nominee. but if you go to new hampshire, we go past iowa, and you go to new hampshire where nicole is doing very well, getting chris christie's drop of the pot we could bring her closer to trump if not over the finish line. but if he says he's staying in, it's the question i would ask chris christie is why you're running for president. maybe to be president, but i thought it was ultimately so that donald trump would not become president. if that means that you need a drop off to consolidate on the right for someone to likely beat donald trump, then it might be the time to do that. >> reporter: and trump himself has treated this like a two man race between him and joe biden. he has dismissed his republican rivals -- could he maybe lose iowa and continue on with this? is it a given that he's going to definitely take iowa? i will not put any money against donald trump winning iowa. but i think what's interesting is to think about historical precedent for this. who sailed on the, trump east totally unprecedented. actually, think back to the 2000 campaigns, we're really reminding a quarter century here. but you have the juggernaut of george w. bush, a win in iowa, and then suddenly in new hampshire, things get. weird that's because new hampshire, independents play such a large role. john mccain that, year surprises everyone, takes new hampshire. the problem then is you go on to south carolina. that's where the juggernaut realizes, oh, know the insurgent campaign has got us. that's where i suspect, even if nikki haley is ultimately successful in new hampshire, can she sustain through her home state of south carolina? that's the bigger hurdle. that and also getting chris christie to head over his ten to 15% of the vote to her which he doesn't seem likely to do. >> reporter: he doesn't seem prepared. but can we give this picture of how far ahead trump is and we talked about what a second trump term would look like thanks to maggie's great reporting. and -- when you look at these polls, biden is not running away from this race and a lot of them in key swing states, he's down to trump. why is that and how are they planning to address that going forward, given trump's likelihood of potentially winning this nomination? the way they need to address it is make it -- if it's donald trump and joe biden, make a true comparison and remind voters what it was like under a four-year term of donald trump. what was one of the first policy put in place, the muslim ban. who were the three supreme court justices that he put in court to overturn roe, which is an issue around abortion that is a really bipartisan issue with republicans independents, and democrats. it's really about paying the contrast. i don't want to do a poly and a picture of this, i don't think just the alternative versus the -- joe biden's term -- i don't think that's gonna be enough for folks. i think enough to make it very clear for young voters, for voters of color, for the muslim and arab community, what a second term under joe biden would look like. because let's be honest, that population right now is not waving though joe biden flag, but i don't think what a year out that we can just say, okay, forget about those voters. there is an argument to be made. and i'll just close with this, before the conflict with israel and gaza started happening, joe biden's domestic policy was really popular with many of these young voters. whether it was on student death or decriminalizing marijuana or climate. there are things that people like about joe biden, the campaigns gonna have to go out there and salute to those voters. >> reporter: it's an interesting point, going to the second biden term and not just the trump term. thank copuge sortof the question is will peoe by what he is selling? ♪ ♪ ♪ first time i connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. i'm here to thank you. >> tonight, israel defense forces urging more civilian evacuations as it is stepping up its military operations in southern gaza. previously, they've been mainly in northern gaza, no we've seen the move to the south. in addition to airstrikes, the idf is now expanded the ground operations there to the entire gaza strip. this is a top humanitarian relief official, for the u. n., says that the situation is, quote, more apocalyptic by the day. another warning of a hellish scenario if more aide does not get into gaza soon. also tonight, the idf is confirming a repeport that twowo palestinian civilians haveve ben killed for everyone hamas terrorist. >> i can confirm the report, and i can say that if that is true, and i think that our numbers will be cooperated, if you compare that ratio to any other conflict in urban terrain between a military and terrorist organization using civilians as their human shields and embedded in the civilian population, you won't findnd that that r ratio is tremendous, tremendoususly positive. >> joining me now axios foreign policy reporters, barack ravid. can we just talk about that comment, saying tremendously positive. >> i heard it too. i am not sure that is a good choice of words. regardless of what you think about what's going on in gaza, i do not think the fact that 10,000 civilians if you take the version of the idf, 10,000 dead civilians is positive in anyway. >> also, as they're facing immense pressure from the u.s. as far as what they are doing right now with what is happening in southern gaza, stepping up these military operations, they have said they are more targeted. is that the sense that you have from what you are hearing from sources? >> everything is relative. what the idf did in northern gaza was basically before the ground troops came in. there was a massive barrage of airstrikes, basically to clear the area, and then artillery fired only than the ground forces came in. this will not be the case in southern gaza. in southern gaza, we will see much more targeted raids, i am not sure we'll see artillery at all. and, if there will be airstrikes, there will be much more targeted. i think one of the things that we will see is that israel was facing a dilemma in the last 24 hours. this dilemma was, what to do with the huge pressure the u. s. was imposing on israel regarding the increase and humanitarian aid into gaza. the israelis, i think, realize that the only way they can get u.s. back in foreign operations in southern gaza is if they get more aid, and this is what is really were cabinet did just a few hours ago. >> is it a significant amount more than what was going in? >> i think everything is relative. if until before the cease-fire only 60,000 liters of fuel entered gaza doing the cease-fire to 120,000, now it's going to be 180,000. so, it is an increase every time and i think we will see something between 250 and 300 trucks a day. it is an increase. is this what civilians in gaza need? no. they need more. but, it is more than they. got >> all of this is coming to the as you saw the united nations host this moment, a special session as they called to address what happened on october 7th as far as the sexual violence against women on that day by hamas. there was some really disturbing testimony that we heard from several people who what they had heard from survivors that day. cheryl sandberg, now of she worked on facebook for human rights advocate, had this to say today. >> sexual assault should never be used as an act of war. -- must be upheld despite a policy of our time, because no matter what, -- intending, what flag you are flying, what religion you practice or if you practice none at all, something we can all agree on is that there are exactly no circumstances that justify sexual assault. >> what do you make of the fact that she felt the need to come out and say that because of the silence we have heard for two months from places like the united nations? >> a lot of women's organizations are -- ngos. it was pretty disturbing, when you think about it. every day that passes, more evidence and testimonies. some of the videos they showed today in the u. n. were videos of people who came and gave testimony to the police. it is not just people who gave interviews to journalists, they went to the police with the police interrogator, and they gave a testimony about some people saw in their own eyes, women being gang sexually assaulted in the music festival. others saw others getting mutilated. i think another interesting thing is what we heard today from the state department spokesperson, from the podium, saying that he thinks the reason hamas did not release between 50 to 20 women, that they are still holding hostage, is because he does not want to tell what they are going through under its custody. i have to say, i heard the same assessment from at least two senior israeli defense intelligence officials in recent days. this is something that was kept pretty quiet in israel, this assessment did not want to put out, and they were quite surprised that the state department said publicly today. but, i think it reflects the intelligence assessment of israeli -- >> why did they not want to put it out? were they worried it would does -- jeopardize the hostage? >> i think they were worried it might harm the hostages that are still in gaza, the women. but, again, i think, at least what i hear from israeli officials, is that they claim they have intelligence that shows that some of those women were harmed. >> just disturbing to hear that testimony from them. to think of the woman who are still being held right now tonight by hamas. barack revealed, thank you for that reporting. >> thank you, caitlin. >> we have more to come on that extended ground operation in southern gaza, the same area were palestinian civilians were just told to leave their homes and go to. we will be back in a moment with somebody who witnessed the humanitarian crisis unfolding in gaza firsthand. >> we have some awful news to share tonight about our own family here at cnn as we follow the situation in gaza. since the beginning of this war, our producer, ibrahim dahman has risked his life doing feel is reporting on the ground in gaza. after nearly a month, he fled with his immediate family, showing us what it was like to have to do that with two small kids in tow. this weekend, he learned that at least nine of his family members who are in northern gaza still trapped there had been killed, including his uncle and his -- his childhood home was also hit in a separate strike. he still never be able to fix every quote stone and corner in the house i was born and raised, in which my children were born. we were thinking of ibrahim dahman and his family tonight as they go through something that unfortunately so many families are also experiencing. this we are learning today that gaza is what it is being called a near total blackout according to the monitoring firm, and all telecoms services there have been completely cut off. that means pausing civilians cannot check in each other, they cannot call for help, they cannot get all those orders telling them where to evacuate. joining me now -- executive director catherine russell who just returned i should note from gaza last month. thank you for being here, it's good to have you again. given it's so rare to hear from someone who has been on the ground in gaza, what did you see in southern gaza? >> it was really striking because i was in communist which is now on the news because it's really under assault at this point. when i was, there that was not the case. i was there two weeks ago so there were so many people, even in the streets, teaming with people who hadn't moved from different parts of gaza and were looking for some refuge. i went to a hospital there and every place i walked there were people sleeping in the corridors or camped out in the corridors in blankets, children, adults, everybody, they were just there seeking refuge. i remember feeling kind of overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people i saw and i also saw this huge amount of trash. all of these sort of typical services have been disrupted. now, we see the news every day that is now a place that is been hit with bombardments. so, it's even worse. what i saw was just really unnerving, route to see how many people were there and to hear from them how many of them had moved multiple times, had come from different places, had lost family members and where they're trying to find some peace. >> given that, southern gaza and where you were, khan yunis, and where they are conducting operations, that's where they were called to govern the idea of when this was initially happening. now they're being told or targeted areas to leave those areas. a lot of them don't have internet service. they are talking about qr codes on the leaflets of idf is dropping. are they even able to know where to go and what to do? >> i do not think so. we estimate 1. 8 million people in gaza out of the 2. 2 million people that live there have been displaced. imagine that. they are not home, electricity, power, is very hard to come by. so, how do you look at a qr code with what? you even have, if you have a, phone isn't even charged up? how do you do that? i think the challenges that they do not have any security at all. they've been moving, they keep moving, they're afraid and living in terror. they do not know where to go, they don't know where it's safe. i think the challenge for the world is to say we are in a situation where i think of it as kind of a piece of paper folded in half. so, moves out fulton half again. at some point, there is no place for them to go, there is no safe place. they know that and they feel that. >> are we at that point? now >> i think we are close to that. first of all, all of gaza is not that big. it is a small place as it is, and there is just so little space and it is one of the most densely populated parts of the world. there just isn't any place to go, there is not any place where people feel safe. >> i mean, it's the size of las vegas, and there are 2 million people there. kathy russell, thank you for sharing that experience with us. thank you for being here. >> we will be back in just a momement. newly-expelled republican congressman, george santos, former republican congressman, george santos i guess i should note, already has a new job in his coworkers now include real housewives and a 90s boy band members. he is now on cameo. for those of you who do not know, it is an online service where you can get personalized videos from celebrities, to reality tv stars, athletes, and now, former congressman. for $200, and that it former lawmaker is offering anybody who is ready to pay that, maybe for a christmas present, a birthday shout out, a pep talk, or advice. he is advertising that he is giving out advice. he brands himself as a former congressional icon, and is cashing in messages like this one. >> botox keeps you young, fillers keep you plump. more. look, do not let the haters get to. you haters are going to hate, and if you have hitter that means you are doing something right, girl. just keep going. >> i want to bring incident capitol hill reporter, melanie zanona who is here with me. i guess he is not letting the haters get to him. what this just shows me, i'm sure to musing and entertaining, it is just we are in a reality tv world. we are not just covering politics, it is covering reality tv. >> yes. we have seen an increasing number of disgraced politicians using cameo to make money and to try to stay in the spotlight. i think in some ways it's not at all surprising that santos would hop on here. there is so much that even upped his price to $200 a pop. i remember talking to sanders in the capitol ones and it'll be when life gives you lemons, make margaritas. that seems to be a model of his. he clearly is relishing in all the attention, even though it is negative attention. he was mocked by snl on saturday. he has been tweeting a bunch of deliverance or liberties going back and forth with him. it is worth reminding people what he is accused of is very serious. he is accused of defrauding donors, voters, lives, stealing, cheating. now, he's essentially been rewarded for that behavior. congress flee -- housewives, so it's gonna not surprising to see him here on cameo. >> i don't know real housewives sometimes seems like a tighter grasp on reality. we are seeing people take advantage of this, senator john fetterman who had been very critical of senator bob menendez another member of his party who is also facing an indictment. he actually paid george santos to say this to him. >> hey bobby! look. i do not think i need to tell you, but, these people who want to make you get in trouble and want to kick you out and make you run away, you make and put up or shut up. stand your ground sir. do not get bob down by all the haters out there. stay strong, merry christmas. >> i do not think he actually knew that he was making that for senator menendez and still john fetterman, senator fetterman posted it on twitter. >> that's exactly right. fetterman, who dissed a reminder he is called for menendez to resign. he had his campaign commission in this video, you heard it, urging him to stay strong. they made it out to bobby from new jersey. so, after fetterman tweeted this, santos responded and said, oh, i wish i knew bob question but lol, i love it. this is the only example, had a democratic party also commissioned a video and they had santos think of bernie -- a republican candidate for senate for maxing out desantis 's congressional campaign in 2022. it appears democrats are trying to serve some political points, trying to use sandals as an unwitting player. it's really unclear who's having the last laugh because -- >> getting paid. he got $400 for. that >> he probably made thousands of dollars, if you do the math, i don't love matt why i'm in journalism, but $2 apart for 150 of those is a lot of money in one day. >> so, could go to some -- loafers. millions zanona, you are on the reality tv -- thanks for being here. in just a few moments, you will hear directly from senator john fetterman on george santos, senator menendez, much more. abby philip will be speaking with him at the top of the hour. you are going to want to watch. that also tonight, shocking announcement, so controversial u.s. and others and not one but two candidates for president are outraged about their demanding answers. we have the answers here on the receipts. that is next. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. 2019 >> it is no secret to anybody who watches the show follows me on twitter. i am a die hard alabama football fan. after defeating the number one team in the country saturday night, the crimson tide was selected as the four seed in the college football playoff. that means the selection committee denied for the state the chance to play for national titles. this caused -- given the seminoles didn't lose a game this year, they won the acc. their coach, mike norvell, said it is a snub that quote goes against everything that is true right in college football. now, i can bring up the alabama's tough schedule, or how the committee was clear that an injury like the one the talented official quarterback, jordan travis, experienced this season would factor into their decision-making. you can also see just how divisive this is when you got oj simpson on one side saying that they got decision right. donald trump winning florida governor ron desantis on the other side saying it is his fault the florida state did not make it. in addition to that angrily worded letter, rick scott has sent demanding answers. for more on maybe some of those answers, joining me now is espn college football commentator, paul finebaum, the one and only. paul, i just wonder, you are the first person i thought we are thinking about today. what do you see the people who believe the fsb was snug here? >> kaitlan, i will be respectful here. it is late at night. they have a valid argument if this committee takes deserving. but, in my mind, we should have the four best teams in america playing in a most important event, and fs1 is not one of them. they lost their best player a generational player jordan travis their quarterback. without him, they are a good team. they have no lead defense. but, they should not be part of what we are seeing. a lot of the reason for that is what happened last year. -- they got to the final game and lost 65 to 7 against georgia. i think in the back of this committee's mind, they did not want that to happen again. >> that is what i thought as well, what happened with tcu. you see an argument after argument and gordon chavez was a huge talent. it is a different team without him being able to play on it. as you brightly noted earlier, the seminoles would have been in the playoffs had we already been operating with the 12 team format that is going to go in place next year. >> they would've played liberty. another team that is undefeated, i am not going to argue for liberty getting -- but it is interesting that they did this to themselves. the acc commissioner and two other par five commissioners, went against the norm. this is already been approved for 23, kaitlan, instead we are having to wait until next year. the one other thing i want to say is that if people want to use accusations like alabama got in because of nick damon, alabama got preferential treatment, i haven't heard that on cnn last night. that is absurd. that is absolutely absurd. alabama beat the number one team in the country in the biggest game of the year, the fcc champion game. okay, they have a loss, we're all aware. they lost in texas on september 9th. we are in texas land, the number three team in america. that is the best loss of anybody under consideration, and it is easily the best when. >> paul, i texted my dad as i told you before, who i should note, my dad used to pick up in junior high and we would listen to you every afternoon. i never listen to the top songs or music there -- we listen to people calling into you to ask these kinds of questions. he was interesting and what your predictions are for the score for michigan alabama -- >> i am not just patronizing you but i am one of your biggest fans, as you know. alabama is going to win that game. the one thing we have not even talked about is the fact that michigan is in there, despite all kinds of accusations. the head coach, was suspended not just by the ncaa by his own commissioner it's a big -- for this scandal. i think, hopefully, we can get you -- in new york and we will see you either in cassadaga or in houston for the national champion game. >> we will make a deal. paul finebaum, as always, love listening to you, great to have you on. thank you for joining me. >> thank, you caitlin, my pleasure. >> we have a moment to talk about alabama football here on the show. thank you so much for joining us tonight. cnn newsroom with abby phillip starts right now. >> does the left have an antisemitism problem? that is tonight on news night. ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening, i am abby philip in new york. in a moment, the cnn exclusive, my wide-ranging interview with pennsylvania senator john fetterman. the first tonight, a mob marched through the heart of fetterman's home state, to send a message, are not welcome. the protesters in philadelphia veered from the political street to the antisemitic when they swarm the golgi, that is a kosher restaurant owned by an american is really chef, michael salomone. pennsylvania's governor says, the motive here is clear. >> what we saw last night was not peaceful protest. what we saw last night, in my opinion was blatant antisemitism. the purposeful gathering of a mob outside of a restaurant, simply because it is owned by a jewish person, well, that is antisemitism, plain and simple. >> governor shapiro said the protest like this have a parallel. crystal knox. the -- that targeted jewish businesses in 1938, and was a harbinger of the holocaust. they've done exterminated millions of jewish people. the goalies episode is just the latest in incidents like this of naked antisemitism across the country. in gainesville, florida, -- the university of florida's campus, it was covered in antisemitic graffiti. over in brooklyn, ohio,