people were not just conservative, black people always have been conservative minded, but more black people voted conservatively. and lyndon johnson, then you go down that road, and now we are where we are. >> that was byron donalds suggesting there were positive aspects to jim crow. he joins me tonight. plus, president biden is in normandy on the 80th anniversary of d.-day, delivering a stark warning about the state of democracy. and the grandson of a key member of the black panther party, david hilliard, is pushing back against a video of hilliard saying allegedly that he supports trump, saying it is misleading. and that grandson joins me later. but we begin tonight with the 80th anniversary of d-day, the day some 156,000 allied soldiers arrived on the beaches of normandy, charging head on into nazi gun fire, land mines, and barbed wire. pushing the occupying nazi era germans out of normandy and then out of the rest of france. the invasion marked a definitive turning point during world war ii. the youngest survivors are now in their late 90s and 100s. here they are arriving back to the now free beaches of normandy. one of them is 99-year-old ben miller who was a 19-year-old medic, carried to normandy by glider. he returned to normandy for the first time since the war, meeting locals including a woman who was there on d-day. >> see how they recover through it all and being so kind to us. >> this value of alliances marked an american era, something president biden stressed as he addressed the 180 surviving veterans. >> we're living in a time where democracy is more at risk across the world than any point since the end of world war ii, since these beaches were stormed in 1944. now we have to ask ourselves, will we stand against tyranny, against evil, against crushing brutality of the iron fist? will we stand for freedom, will we defend democracy, stand together? my answer is yes and only can be yes. >> biden was joined by dignitaries and heads of state including french president emmanuel macron and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, who shared an emotional moment with the u.s. veteran in normandy. >> savior of the people. >> in case you didn't catch that, the veteran called zelenskyy the savior of the people, as the two men embraced. zelenskyy replied no, no, you. you saved europe. it's all quite the presidential contrast. biden's rousing defense of democracy calling for solidarity with ukraine, versus donald trump, who wants to be an autocrat. who never would have given a speech like the one biden gave today because trump doesn't believe in democracy. he reportedly called americans who died in war losers and suckers. his contempt for military service matched only by his contempt for our democratic institutions. in fact, as biden honors our veterans, donald trump who when it was his turn to serve our country, cited bone spurs. telling sean hannity hat he will try to prosecute his political opponents if elected to a second term. >> people are claiming you want retribution. people are claiming you want what has happened to you done to democrats. would you do that ever? >> look, what's happened to me has never happened in this country before. and it has to stop because -- >> wait a minute, i want to hear that again. it has to stop. >> it does have to stop. based on what they have done, i would have every right to go after them. >> trump is the guy disparaging veterans and instead embracing fascism. he is a modern day version of charles lindbergh, the famous nazi sympathizing aviator who fought to keep the united states out of the second world war. he's publicly embraced russia which was part of the soviet union is our ally in world war i only to break with the u.s. over the question its leader josef stalin should be allowed to swallow as much of eastern europe as he pleased. russia is now ruled by vladimir putin, a fan of stalin and a ussr nostalgic whose appetite for imperialism may extend beyond swallowing ukraine. trump and putin have a lot in common. big believers in the stalinist ethos. it's why the same world fears a second trump presidency. it's why biden is lauding our veterans while warning democracy is at risk. we know history repeats itself, and we now know democracy is fragile. it's been 80 years sin the allied invasion of normandy and the average age of veterans hovers at 100. you realize today could be the last time a u.s. president honors the sacrifices of these veterans. it is the generation that fought but will soon be lost, replaced by a different generation that sees things quite differently, which is why today is a wake-up call, if the world is willing to listen. i'm joined now by isaac, national political reporter for "the washington post" and author of "finish what we started" and ruth ben-ghiat, new york university professor of history and author of "strong men, mussolini to the president." and appropriate panel for today. i want to start with you, isaac. talk about the way that european leaders are thinking about today, this anniversary, and the coming election. >> well, with a lot of apprehension for what the election means for the future of the trans-atlantic alliance. our reporting has been that trump has shared privately this secret plan that he's been touting for how he would end the war in ukraine, which pretty much boils down to pressuring ukraine to cede territory to russia. which zelenskyy has said he wouldn't accept. but there's also no indication that putin would settle for that, that his ambitions go far beyond that. and it's so the choice as far as on our ballot, as far as the future for how this war would be handled and u.s. support for ukraine couldn't be starker. >> is this peace plan, supposed peace plan, is it different materially from what paul manafort was pitching back during the 2016 election? we know in 2014, russia invaded and occupied crimea, and there was a similar plan being pushed by paul manafort to essentially hand crimea and the donbas, the eastern part of ukraine, over to russia. is this plan, is your reporting that this is any different? >> basically, we're talking about those same plans. you know, there is a reality that's developing where just as a military reality, the chances that ukraine can regain all of that territory looks pretty far, but also, if you were to have just everyone put down your weapons where you are today, that doesn't match up with those orders either. even drawing an armistice line is not a simple exercise. >> there's a tremendous irony for those like me who are fascinated by history that today's stalin who yearned for their era of the old soviet union that was gobbling up parts of the european continent, vladimir putin. donald trump is not our, you know, he's not a version of an american president from that era. he's not an eisenhower or truman. he sides with that guy, with putin. and there is a growing right-wing fascist movement of a '30s ilk that has been reborn in europe and in america. talk about that. >> yeah, because today, biden warned of the dangers of isolationism, but actually, the way i see it is -- excuse me -- that isolationism implies neutrality, but team trump is team putin. and it's team xi jinping and team north korea. and that's why they want to get out of nato and tommy tuberville is blaming nato, but there's no access 2.0 formally, it's just loose alliances of these awful autocrats, china, and russia. but that's the side trump is on. and we should be very -- we should be very conscious of that. >> let me read a little bit of this piece from the atlantic that has gotten a lot of ink. it says what europe fears. a second term is all but inevitable. the anxiety is massive. the reality has left politicians and diplomats across europe honing theories of trump ego management to some, the volatility represents a great threat. others think trump's ego could make him easy to manipulate. isaac, on one hand, our european leaders are also saying we could just buy him off? >> well, right. trump for all this talk of pulling out of nato has also been clear what he's trying to get out of that is for european allies to spend more on their own defense. there is a reasonable intellectual foreign policy geostrategic debate to have about that and it has gotten results. european allies have been spending more, and recognizing that the u.s. commitment might not be there, are trying to invest in their military industrial base to take on more of that burden of support in ukraine. >> there's also the historical parallels, you can't stop them. back during the transition from jimmy carter to ronald reagan, there was a secret deal made to free iranian hostages, free american hostages held by iran, but soon to be vice president and former head of the cia george herbert walker bush and others conspired to essentially hold those hostages longer, to have them held longer so they could be released shortly after reagan was inaugurated. it was a very ugly deal. and now, it appears that donald trump is either doing that by saying he could free evan gershkovich who has been held in russia, "wall street journal" reporter, and he's saying i could have him released almost immediately. he hasn't said anything about paul whelan who was taken in 2018 when he was president. it's either one or the other. he's either just saying that as schtick, or he's making a call out to putin. let me play the call out he made to putin in 2016, when he asked for something vis-a-vis hillary clinton. here he is. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> not long after that, russia hacked into the dnc and rnc, and put her emails into the public eye. is there any reporting on which it is, is he just doing schtick or asking for putin's help in exchange for this man's freedom? >> we don't have any reporting that there's some kind of back channel communication between trump and putin ongoing about evan gershkovich. for the longest time, trump was not addressing gershkovich at all. his silence was really conspicuous in contrast to basically all other u.s. politicians and he was eventually about the one-year anniversary called on that, and asked directly about it repeatedly, and then he finally called for the release, and then turned it into this thing about how putin would do it for him and not for biden. >> it's odd he never mentioned paul whelan who was taken during his presidency. ruth, talk about what it would mean to the world if the u.s. became prey to what we do see in other countries where you have autoocracies pop up. if it happened here, how would that materially change the world? >> well, the world would become just much, you know, more unsafe place because the people who trump is backing are imperialists who are warmongers, who won't stop at anything. and the thing about the way autocrats wage war, which is so dangerous, is because they don't care about their people. and they don't have to answer to parliament or the press. they just treat their people as cannon fodder, and they truly only care about themselves. that's one of the sad things about populations that suffer under autocrats, because the militaries just get used like cannon fodder. so you know, but d-day is an interesting thing. as you went over in your monologue, it was a tide that turned for the war, and it led to the liberation of france. but in germany, it was a day that, you know, was a huge setback for the germans, and they lost a lot of their superiority in air defense and naval strategy, the destruction of u-boat ports, and it led to german military officials becoming so disaffected with hitler's mania and his belief he knew all the answers and of course he had absolute power, that shortly after that was when you had the plot to assassinate hitler by german military officials. so d-day is also ushering in this lesson about what happens when somebody has absolute power and has all the -- thinks they have all the answers in a time of war. >> yeah, and it's a helpful reminder that adolf hitler went to jail before he was then elected to lead germany. thank you so much to isaac and ruth. up nebs on "the reidout," byron donalds is saying the media has twisted his words, so we asked him to come on and explain what he meant. he'll join me next. l join me net missing out on the things you love because of asthma? 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we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. some recent comments by florida congressman byron donald have been condemned by hakeem jeffries, the congressional black caucus, the chairman of the democratic national comidy, jaime harrison, and the president of the naacp, derrick johnson, just to name a few. in those comments at an event designed to help republican outreach to black voters in philadelphia. congressman donalds made what certainly seemed like positive comments about the jim crow era and he claims his critics are missing the context of what he said, so here's the context. >> i grew up with my mom. my dad and my mom, things didn't work out. as an adult, i look at my father and i say, bro, i don't know what happened. you're my father and i love you. i don't know what happened. i wasn't there. but i'm going to tell you this. growing up, the one thing i knew i wanted to do, and this is not about my father, this is about what i wanted to do, is i wanted to be a father to my sons. and so one of the things that's actually happening in our culture, which you're now starting to see in our politics is the reinvigoration of black families with younger black men and black women. and that is also helping to breed the revival of a black middle class in america. you see, during jim crow, during jim crow, the black family was together. during jim crow, more black people were not just conservative, black people always have been conservative minded, but more black people voted conservatively. and then lyndon johnson, and then you go down that road and we are where we are. what's happened in america the last ten years and i say this as my contemporaries you're starting to see more black people be married and in homes, raising kids. when you're home with your wife raising your kids, and then you look at the world, you're saying time-out. this does not look right. how can i get something to my kids, it goes back to the conversation of generational wealth. generational wealth. >> i am joined now by florida republican congressman byron donalds. thank you for being here. we played that lengthy segment, what you posted on your social media. the part of what you said that people take issue with is this line. you see during jim crow, during jim crow, the black family was together. during jim crow, more black people were not just conservative. black people have always been conservative minded but black people voted conservatively. it's that during jim crow, the black family was together. that's what people have taken issue with. what are they missing? >> frankly, what's really happened is that you have, you know, democrats and you have the biden campaign and some in the media want to twist my words for political purposes. the overarching issue is talking just about black families and why you're seeing a trend of black people leaning towards republicans in this election cycle and probably in electional cycles to come. part of that is when you're raising families, raising kids, et cetera, you're thinking of all the public policy issues, all of the economic issues, and it's leading people to have divergence in political thoughts. that was the only point. the stuff that comes up about jim crow and twisting my words saying i was being nostalgic or jim crow was good for black people, that's all political spin. it's a lie. it's gaslighting and that's truly unfortunate. >> here's the challenge, congressman. you started out talking about your family, talking about your mom, talking about being raised. and you on your own brought up jim crow. in fact, you said jim crow three times for emphasis. it wasn't the media or the democrats or gaslighters who brought up jim crow. it was you. you brought up jim crow. so why did you use jim crow specifically as your reference? you did that, no one else did that, you did it. >> i did. we were having a conversation just talking, black people in philadelphia. but if you're going to use the chronological timeline of america before the great society and lyndon johnson's time period, you had unfortunately the jim crow era in america. during that time period, the marriage rates of black americans was significantly higher than any other time since then in american history. so it is a divergence if you're talking about marriage rates in the black community. they have plummeted. what we have seen recently in america, which is a very good thing we should all celebrate is marriage rates in the black community are rising again. that's good for black families. that's definitely good for black children. it's something i want to see, i'm sure you want to see it as well. >> let's talk about that. jim crow lasted roughly from 1867 after the civil war to 1968. is there a specific period between 1867 and 1968 that you thought was this golden era for black families or a time that was good for black families? >> joy, i never said that. see, this is where the gaslighting comes in. >> no, no, hold on. stop, stop. that's not what you said. let's play what you said. >> play what he said. >> you're saying i said it was the golden era. i never said that. you're saying i said it was better back then. i never said that. >> play what he said. >> play what i said. >> during jim crow, the black family was together. during jim crow, more black people were not just conservative, black people always have been conservative minded but more black people voted conservatively. and then h.e.w., lyndon johnson, and you go down that road and now we are where we are. >> i'm going to go back. you said during jim crow, the black family was together. what was the authority of the black father in the black family during jim crow? >> well, listen, under jim crow, obviously, black people were under great persecution, unfortunately by southern democrats and the democratic party overall. that's the fact. so let me finish now, joy. so having the black man in the home was about first protecting the mom and protecting the kids, incredibly important. it was the leadership in the home, which is incredibly valuable. i think what we're witnessing the last 30 years definitely through my generation is black fathers being at home is incredibly important for the success of black children going forward. it's not just a black thing. that's everybody. fathers in home help to breed success for kids moving forward. that is a great thing for our country. that's something that has been proven throughout time. what i'm talking about is not the golden era of jim crow. that's ridiculous. i would never say that, and that's the gaslighting i'm standing up to because that's what hakeem jeffries and the media is following suit. >> now i'm going to talk. you talked about the black -- the definition of jim crow, so we know what we're talking about. jim crow laws were laws and statutes that legalized segregation. they existed from the post civil war era. they were meant to marginalize african americans by denying them the right to vote, hold jobs. get an education and other opportunities. those who attempted to defy jim crow laws often faced arrest and death. now i want to talk about something that happened during this era. you said what you were talking about was the presence of the black father in the home to protect his wife and family. in 1943, in the state that you represent, in florida, a young man named willy james howard who was 15 years old, was lynched. during christmas of 1943, willy howard sent cards to all his coworkers at the van priest dime store in live oak, florida. unlike the other cards, willy's card to cynthia goff, a white store employee, revealed a youthful crush. it expressed hope that white people would some say like black people and say i love your name, your voice, for s.h., sweetheart, you are my choice. cynthia's father brought two friends to the howard home and demanded to see willy. despite his mother's pleading, the men dragged willy away and kidnapped willy's father from work. the men drove the two howards to the embankment of a river, bound willy's hands and feet, stood him at the edge of the water, and told him to either jump or be shot. willy jumped into the cold water below and drowned while his father was forced to watch at gunpoint. willy's dead body was pulled from the river the next day. you said that during the jim crow era, the importance of having a black man in the home was to protect his family and to protect his wife. i actually spoke with somebody who lived through jim crow. her name is myrlie evers williams. she quoted to me a man named charles silverman who wrote in crisis in black and white that in 1890, the year the mississippi constitution was written, the policy of crushing out the manhood of the neego citizens was to be carried out with success. the man in the home during jim crow had no rights, could not protect his wife from rape, could not protect his son from lynching. so again, why would you quote that era and say that at that time, the family all being in the home together was something we should think of as a good thing? >> well, first of all, joy, the story you bring up and you're bringing up is a tragedy. one of the great tragedies of the jim crow era. >> i'm asking why you would quote that era. >> they were disgusting and distasteful. >> that era, what was the benefit of a man in the family. again, sir, i'm sorry, i let you talk for a long time. no, no, talk over you, you have gotten a chance. you're going to answer my question now and not filibuster. this is the question. >> i'm trying to answer but you're cutting me off. >> if black men -- hold on. >> i'm trying to answer. are you going to let me? >> if a black man could not -- >> i'll ask you to do the same. >> it's my show. if a black man, a black father, could not protect his wife, his son, or himself from lynching and violence, how is him being in the home mean that that is an era that was better for the black family or that we should think of as a good thing? >> first of all, joy, i never said it was better for black people in jim crow. i have never said that. and even my own words say that. if you're talking about the importance of black fathers in the home, or frankly all fathers in the home, it is always for the betterment of children, to have leadership. yes, for safety, having two people in the home to help provide the economic needs for those children, so the family can succeed. that's a wonderful thing, we should always get back to that, not to jim crow. this is the point of the gaslighting and the lying that is occurring with what i said. don't try to impose the fact that the marriage rates were better, higher, i want to be clear, higher in the jim crow era to mean that i think jim crow was great. that's a lie. that is gaslighting. i would never say such a thing, which is why the jim crow era -- >> you brought it up. you brought it up. you're the one who brought it up. let's get one more question. >> you're gaslighting like everyone else is trying to gaslight. >> one more thing. one more thing. one more thing. the poverty rate during jim crow was 55.1%. more than half of families were impoverished. you also said, during jim crow, more black people were not just conservative, black people have always been conservative minded but black people voted conservatively. black people weren't allowed to vote at all during jim crow. >> first of all, there were areas in the united states where black people did vote. >> under jim crow? >> it wasn't universal throughout the united states. let's be honest about that. there were areas, but obviously, black people were suppressed from voting. that's what the purpose of not just the' 64 and '65 voting rights but so many others. >> so you're inaccurate there. >> i'm talking about black families -- no, i'm not being inaccurate. >> during jim crow, more people voted conservative. they didn't vote conservative because they weren't allowed to vote. that's the essence of what jim crow is. >> i'm going to come back my original point. >> it's -- >> last question and then i'm going to let you go. one more question. during jim crow, could your family have existed? you are in an interracial marriage. your wife and a white conservative activist. could your family have existed at all during jim crow? >> no, it could not, and we all know that. that's why i'm blessed to live in america today as opposed to america during that time. but we cannot ignore the realities of not having fathers in homes. that is important to our black people today and all people today as we move forward toward a better america. >> we're out of time. what i'm grateful for is we do not live in the jim crow era and fathers do not face lynching. >> i'm very grateful of that. >> perhaps don't bring up jim crow when you're trying to make that example. byron donalds, thank you for being here. from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪ deep down, i knew something was wrong. since my fatigue and light-headedness would come and go, i figured it wasn't a big deal. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light- headedness can come and go. but if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there. if you have one or more symptoms, get checked out. holding off on seeing a doctor won't change whether or not you have afib. but if you do, making that appointment can help you get ahead of stroke risk. contact a doctor and learn more at notimetowait.com ♪ ♪ can help you get ahead have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping it off? 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at a koch funded all expenses paid luxury trip where the primary mission was persuading federal judges to adopt this arcane theory. guess who the judge clerked for? you guessed it, clarence thomas. they reported according to their tally, justice thomas has received the most gifts of any judge dating back to the antonin scalia era by a mile with 193 gifts totaling more than $4 million. i'm joined by elie mystal, justice correspondent for the nation. at this point, i guess they just take all the 30-year-old right wing college graduates from liberty university and send them on fancy trips. >> right? i think it's important for people to ask what are these people paying for? what are they getting for their $4 million they have given to clarence thomas over the past 20 years? what they're getting, just to link your last sentence together, what they're getting is what byron donalds wants. what they're getting is jim crow. what they're getting is a guy like clarence thomas who like byron donalds' entire judicial philosophy is well, some negroes are magic. no matter what the white man does to us, we can just rise above as long as they don't shoot us or kill us or rape us or drown us. if you tell people that, if you're black, if you're donalds, if you're thomas and you tell white people that, they will give you money. that's what's happened to clarence thomas for 20 years. he's told white folks exactly what they want to hear, ruled exactly as they would like him to rule. and done it as their black friend, and so the money is just pouring out, and you see it in these reports where, again, clarence thomas -- in the figures we saw today, you know, sam alito made like $200,000 disclosed gifts over the past 20 years. antonin scalia, the hero of their movement, around $200,000. clarence thomas, $4 million. >> it's wild. >> that's why tim scott exists. that's why byron donalds exists. that's why candice owens exists, because the grift is good. there's a lot of money in telling white folks what they need to hear. >> it is amazing because when i looked at the chart, it was like, i thought that clarence thomas' was the total because it was so much bigger. scalia, like you said, is six figures. he's in the two, three -- this guy, you're right, it is a thing that the right is willing to pay extra to get women and especially black people to tell them what they want to hear about women and black people. tell them that black people don't want to be able to have a fearless fund. they shouldn't be able to give -- i wanted if i had time to ask if he supported the fearless fund being not able to give grants out. i'm sure he does because that's what he's supposed to say. >> look, i looked at that chart today. i look at people like donalds and think, man, i made the wrong financial choices in my life. right? because there's money out there for these people, but always remember, and i want folks to remember this. they're getting something for their money. >> yes, they are. >> this isn't charity. they're getting rulings. they're getting opinions. they're getting the kind of return to not 1950s, but to the 1850s that they want for their funds. if we, the rest of us who are not making -- the other funny thing is you saw the liberals like sotomayor had guests but they were all like $5. here's a flower, sonya. that's what she was getting. all of us who don't have the money to buy our own supreme court justices. what we need to do is use what power we have, the power we didn't have during the jim crow south, and go out and vote for people who are going to hold the supreme court justices to heel through ethics legislation. hank johnson has an ethics bill on the house floor. we need to vote for people who are going to support that bill and ask our leaders are you going to support ethics reform? no more nice letters. no more, oh, no more of that stuff. are you going to support the bills to stop these people from graft? 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>> first off i wanted to say thank you for the opportunity on behalf of me and my family to be able to clear up some of the confusion regarding my grandfather and it's time. what do i say to that? it is nonsense. she has no room or place to say anything about my grandfather, because she does not know what his condition is, especially if she just said that she heard of him, what, two days ago? >> how did she have access to him? how did she get access to him? >> well, i had never heard of this lady until i had seen that video. i am always at his senior community, maybe three times a week. i know all of the staff there and most of the residence. i have never seen that lady, so that was the first time i have seen her. i had gone through and reviewed her tiktok and i saw that she just moved in maybe about a month ago. so the timing was a little convenient in terms of coming with a pro-trump narrative and being a political kind of grifter. i have never seen anyone in that building mention any type of politics, so this is the first of that. it was a bit convenient in the timing, especially with the election season coming up. >> when i saw the video, i will be honest. it kind of gave me the sense that your father did have cognitive issues and maybe some dementia. sorry, your grandfather. did your grandfather ever live in new york? >> no, he has never lived in new york. however, he was the national leader of the party and chief of staff, so there are chapters in various locations. chicago, connecticut, and he frequently traveled back and forth. he spent quite a bit of time in new york. >> donald trump, they are roughly the same age. your grandfather is about four years older than donald trump. when donald trump was in college, your grandfather was literally in oakland, california, as a black panther. so the time he is saying he knew donald trump, he was on the other coast and donald trump, there is no evidence we could find. we really looked. there is no evidence donald trump ever owned a single property in harlem or give money to the black panthers or that donald trump new mr. hilliard. do you have evidence that they knew each other at that time? >> no, i have no evidence of that. i would really like to focus this conversation on ms. mitchell. this is the only thing that i know that is real about this situation, this lady who put this camera in front of my grandfather's face without any type of permission and she has essentially tried to denigrate his legacy. one of the main parts of his dementia. it is the fact that he has sort of ptsd and that ptsd comes from co-intel pro and things like that. this seems a lot like the dirty trick, because this lady comes from nowhere. she puts this camera in his face, trying to essentially ruin his legacy. >> thank you for being here. i am so sorry that we are out of time. thank you and i hope that you and your grandfather are well. thank you so much. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you'd like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ i was scared when i was told age an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. related macular degeneration could jeopardize my vision. it was hard, but taking preservision was easy. preservision has the exact clinically proven areds 2 formula recommended by the nei. i'm taking control like millions of others. why would i use kayak to compare hundreds of travel sites at once? 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