later. we'll get into all of it and why it matters. we begin now with our top story, which is resolves around these two important murder trials in key phases. this delves into the accountability issues that we have been covering so much in the current era. it gets into civil rights and race and the debate that's been brewing. these two trials are capturing the nation's attention. there is kyle rittenhouse, who is charged for murder and other crimes relating to openly and clearly killing on camera two protestors at a blm event. then there's travis mcmichael charged for murdering an unarmed jogger in georgia, who was black. that's relevant to the case, according to many. now the rittenhouse jury is continuing its deliberations. it's about 23 hours these jurors have been sitting together doing what they must in our system. talking to each other. going back over the evidence and eventually trying to reach a unanimous decision. today, there were no questions whatsoever. no new clues exactly on what they are thinking on diss kuszing in that process. in georgia, high drama inside this courtroom. mcmichael facing cross-examination. that means the prosecutors who say he's a murderer are putting him through all the questions the jury must here. mcmichael is the one allegedly who pulled the trigger, killing ahmaud arbery. that killing itself is not in dispute. these are some of the stilling from the damning video evidence. mcmichael has not a defense that he didn't do it, but that says legally he had to. the lawyers pressing this murder case, they went right after that defense. >> at this point, he demonstrated not once, not twice, but three times he did not want to talk to you. >> when i stopped? >> right. because you pulled up to him once. doesn't want to talk to you. you back up. he doesn't want to talk to you. you pull down muhrford, your dad's yelling, cut him off. that's three times, correct? >> yes. >> he hasn't pulled out a gun. >> that's correct. >> that's correct. that's an answer under oath, but not a good answer for the person speaking because as you saw there and we've broken this up into pieces, the prosecutor is going through facts and mcmichael's not able to rebut or defend them, but rather agree with, again, what the evidence and facts show, that in this case, it's going to be hard to claim self-defense if it was the defendant who kept initiating the contact. the defendant who was armed, who escalated. while there was this debate over whether there was an effort to discuss, in fact, arbery was the one running away from mcmichael. >> yeah, he did not threaten me verbally. >> all right. didn't brandish any weapons? >> no, ma'am. >> didn't pull out any guns? >> no, ma'am. >> didn't pull out any knife. >> no, ma'am. >> never reached for anything, did he? >> i don't know. >> he just ran. >> yes, he was just running. >> he just ran. he was just running. this is a skillful prosecution there. this is the kind of cross-examination that show, i'm going to tell you why, so many lawyers even if they think they're doing all right, worry about putting a defendant on the stand, especially a murder defendant, because he's got to tell the truth under oath. if he does that, not only blows the crime, but alienates the jury. this defendant is confirming what happened. that he's the aggressor, he niche waited and he was armed. then you have these claims that have been become such a tense political and at times, a racial issue in america. it's claimed by more than one person, here the mcmichael claims in his mind even though this was just an interaction that he's on trial for murder for, but in his mind, he thought he was conducting a citizen's arrest. >> you never told the police that you said to mr. arbery, you're under arrest. correct? >> i did not. >> okay. in fact, you never did tell mr. arbery, you're under arrest for the crime of fill in the blank. >> i didn't have time. i was still trying to get him to stop. >> that is really bad for the defendant. if you watch our coverage at all here on the beat, you know i'm not here to tell you what to think and how this ends in a nation of laws. the jury will decide that in this case. i can tell you that was devastating. if your main defense is that this was a citizen's arrest but you didn't do anything to even provide the foundation for it to be a citizen's arrest, then that looks more like fantasy than a factual defense and as people know from just about every cop or police drama, well, when the police make a stop or an arrest or they handcuff people, because they're police and trained, they almost always do what they are supposed to always do. it's not a high bar. they tell people when they're under arrest. it's just words. now, you may say, gosh, if it looks like bad, was there any explanation whatsoever? we want you to see all the relevant parts. yes, mcmichael does claim there was a reason he didn't do that. why he didn't go through even the baseline minimum of what might have been a citizen's arrest. he says he felt traumatized so he couldn't articulate it to the police. >> what were you nervous about? while giving a statement? >> i just killed a man. i had blood on me still. it was the most traumatic event of my life. i was scared to death. i mean, it was the most dramatic event of my life. i don't know anybody who wouldn't be scared or stressed or terrified. it was horrible. >> it was horrible. it was traumatic. but neither before nor after, again, this is where the law is different than the emotion. neither before nor after can he say under oath to the jury that he did anything whatsoever to make this potentially a citizen's arrest. and you have arbery running away, which is again, not what most people consider a threat. if you're the person who's armed and the other person is running away from you and they're not armed, well, you have a tough case to make that you have legally justified deadly force. now, there was also this issue around the altercation where three times, arbery was not only not engaging mcmichael, but trying to get away from him. this is the stuff the jury's going to have to think long and hard about. here's mcmichael's claim yesterday though. >> i shot him. >> why? >> he had my gun. he struck me. it was obvious that he was, it was obvious that he was attacking me, that if he would have got the shotgun from me, then this is a life or death situation. >> now mcmichael is one of three defendants. he has finished his time testifying. the jury will not return until monday to hear more of the case. as the trial continues, the nation is also awaiting this jury in kenosha, wisconsin. we are seeing something where there's no formal coordination. these are completely different court systems that go through their schedules yet it reflects the broader trend lines that we've reported on. the rising domestic terrorism and extremism, much of it on the right. some of it related to white supremacy in two vigilante cases playing out with juries will render judgments that say whether or not this type of killing, the armed against the unarmed, initiator against those who initially were on tape fleeing, is this legal in america? want to bring in experts who have thought long and hard about this and worked in the arena. joyce vance was a former federal prosecutor. maya wily, her new piece, race and justice and fears still rule. i want to get into that with maya, but given this was a criminal cross-examination, i'll go to joyce first and again, a little background. people know both of you as such experienced lawyer, but joyce, you ran one of these big u.s. attorneys office. that means you're the top dog with a lot of lawyers underneath and you do these kinds of cases, murder trials the most serious. what did you think first of that cross-examination? how it was conducted and what the injury might have gotten from it? >> it was a very skillful cross-examination and something that strikes me as you watch an experienced do that is she understands that she's not there for drama. she's not there to create an a ha in the courtroom. she'll really drive home the impact of that cross-examination will be when she argues the evidence in closing arguments and she's able to tell the jury, you know, this defense about using this georgia statute that permits a citizen's arrest, a new effort to arrest mr. arbery and she will go through there entire litany. >> very interesting to get your view on that and maya, i want to put up a headline about just one of the issues that's come up here. this is an issue that really speaks to how close race is to the actual trial. you had a many black pastors gathering here, this is on the arbery case there, and the defense lawyers for the killers saying boy, bringing high profile members of the courtroom to sit with the family is intimidating. they lost that very controversial bid to somewhat remove or bar from the black community from being in there. i'm curious what you think about all of the racial issues that are right at the edge of this trial in addition to telling us about what you wrote about these cases. >> in addition to what we're on trial, which is essentially the defense that black people are scared. is that we're also -- defense attorneys. so scary and intimidating, even those who are there as comfort and support to the families because these are national issues. even if it's a local crime and a local event, as a matter of community, as a matter of racial justice and civil rights, this is something that families across the country who have lost loved ones, either to police violence or this kind of vigilantism actually have relationships with one another. create support networks and organize work demanding justice. the example of jacob blake, who was shot and paralyzed in kenosha giving rise to the demonstrations, has been at that courthouse every day and they are in contact with families and the pastors do the same thing. it's a deep tradition in our community that links religion, community, and support for things we experience as a community no matter where we live. but to call that frightening is simply to demonstrate a point that fear and racial fear and insecurity is exactly what is endangering our lives and frankly, our peace. >> yeah. maya, take a listen as we talk about that. the wider context of how this has been covered and playing. both these trials on fox news. >> they genuinely believe kyle rittenhouse should not have stopped the treat animals from burning down kenosha. they believe they have a right before their communist god to burn this country down. >> and now they want the guy who was there to defend the community, basically, they want his life to be over and have him rot in prison forever. >> this kid went on the stand and he defended himself. he defended his freedom and he was superb. >> maya. >> well, this goes back to what vigilantism that is -- represents, which is those demonstrators were demonstrating against the police shooting of a black man. that is actually the problem for them. this is not just vigilantism in their view. it's liberty because it's people who are white actually protecting what in their view, is law enforcement, that is more deserving of protection than we are. and that's really the honest conversation that's happening here. if we're really honest about what's being said and that's the conversation we have to challenge. which is that frankly, sure, no one should be violating the law. i believe in that deeply. the civil rights community and movement has always been a non-violent one, but the truth is, the reason we have the problem we have is because there is a refusal to acknowledge that justice is not always just. and that the system is not working for everyone equally and fairly and when that happen, that gives rise to the kind of hate and danger that then the hate groups like we're seeing in charlottesville use as a wedge between us. that's very dangerous not just for democracy, but for our lives and we've got to solve it. >> joyce. >> you know, if i can, i want to go back to something maya said earlier where she talked about the role of the black church. these are modern day lynchings. anyone who's prosecuted civil rights in the deep south, you just can't miss the similarity between what happens here where a car is used to hunt down a black man for the terrible crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. and the black church is where advancement and equality has always been centered. it's not a mistake when black people walked, marched for voting rights in selma, alabama, that that march was launched from brown chapel in selma and they returned to the church after the devastating effects of that march. when you see these lawyers going after black clergy members, it says a lot about their inability to see the victim's family as human beings who need that support, but it also speaks very loudly to how much they want to ensure a status quo that was the status quo that they grew up in and how threatened they are by the black lives matter movement and everything it might mean that they would have to acknowledge and change. i think race is the central issue in these cases. >> also important are two counselors kicking us off here on very significant trials as we track how they wrap up. thanks to both of you. coming up, we have some other very special reporting including our breakdown of the criminal case against steve bannon including a setback for him in federal court today. and republican leaders doubling down on the violent rhetoric. democrats though say they're still going to govern with this key vote on spending. david plouffe is back. and this is one we've been covering. a dramatic decision sparing a man's life in the final hours right before his planned execution that was tonight and the sister of that man who was once on death row until today, the sister of julius jones, joins me later tonight. f 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future of unlimited possibilities. our legal breakdown in this big, new criminal case against steve bannon. he got some clearly bad legal news today while he remains defiant in public. i'm going to run through it with you now. it starts with a hearing that is all about these two criminal counts he's facing over defying congress in the investigation into the january 6th insurrection. today there were proceedings that were not exactly the wild scene from monday when bannon was live streaming his arrival to the fbi field office and there were people all around. this was a virtual hearing. a status conference of sorts, a day after bannon submitted formally a not guilty plea in writing. you can see second time here because he's been a defendant before. steven k. bannon, the signature right there. not guilty. so that legal process continues. and then you have the news we're going to get into right now. the legal process is quite different in substance as well as some of what we're hearing in the tone and the vibes than what bannon continues to exude outside of court in public. so even today amid these mounting and serious troubles, he invited a maga warrior on his show. he's talking to bannon, making media while he is one of two wanted men in this legal investigation. one man indicted, that's bannon, another, meadows, trying to walk a line to not end up in bannon's shoes and they know it and lawyers know it. instead dreaming about trump becoming house speaker. >> i would love to see the gavel go from nancy pelosi to donald trump. you talk about melting down. people would go crazy. >> that's meadows on the war room and they are just talking up, boy, what if the republicans win back the house and use the powers there to name trump speaker, which by the way, is constitutionally allowed. what they avoided largely was why they're both in legal hot water. bannon's also leaning to his familiar talking points and the maga faithful are echoing them. >> they're in absolute free fall. you're going to run the house with 40, 50, 60 seats. the death rattle of this markist regime, this illegitimate regime. we only need five more seats to be in the majority then we have the subpoena power to bring these individuals in. we have the ability to stop what president biden is doing. the ability to fire nancy pelosi. >> that is the house leader for republicans, mccarthy sounding like bannon who sounds like trump. you see bannon is not just one more media figure. he's saying and doing things in concert with the former president, who he's trying to protect that may affect the way the house or other things are governed. he also took some shots at the press. i've spoken to mr. bannon repeatedly and once at length in an msnbc interview. he is keenly aware of the power of the press, which is why he tracks it, participates in it, then tries to make his own alternative media. in his show, he played some of our coverage right here on the beat about his legal woes trying to claim that it's all some sort of noisy media meltdown. >> he will be judged through a system not overseen by the president he helped elect. >> that is all msnbc noise. wer we're going to give you signal. >> i don't know. first of all, i don't feel like i'm melting down. and i certainly don't feel like i'm worried about the court process, but there is something striking there. which is steve bannon is trying to play this outside game and he's quoting and he's criticizing the press and making his own media and he was even plugging the war room on his way into court. so that's what's happening. the media universe of an echo chamber again, he is a skilled communicator. he may have some larger purpose outside court. but i got to tell you, there are much higher stakes for mr. bannon and anyone else who defies subpoenas than headlines. politico recording on those proceedings today, noting the judge rejected bannon's effort to slow walk this contempt case. bannon's lawyer was arguing it could take a while for bannon to be ready to present a defense. because it has complex constitutional issues. and they asked the judge to basically delay the next hearing out until next year. and they lost. now why am i showing you this? because you can see the contrast. this is a far cry from bannon's public -- about smash mouth politics and turning the tabled and he's so confident. well, it doesn't really fit with the legal strategy where he's basically using his lawyers to beg for more time and they're not getting it. how complex is the case? the judge will show it to you, denying the delay request. setting the next hearing for the first week of december and reportedly feeling unimpressed with bannon's defense. bannon's legal team has also impressed on what they're essentially hiding from the january 6 probe. donald trump was only basically talking to certain people at certain times and thus only requested that bannon not disclose privileged information. bannon's lawyer though went way farther than that saying to the committee, to the investigation, they will produce documents or testify about anything at all. that means they don't even have an arguable defense for a lot of the material demanded under this subpoena. that may sound like we're getting into the weeds, but it's important. what it means is even if there were debatable issues about what bannon said to trump while trump were president, he didn't confine his defiance to those issues. he just said no outright, which basically puts a giant hole in his case and bannon's lawyer did an interview where they kind of admit that. >> there were certainly conversations, if you're talking about conversations outside the executive branch, those are not covered by executive privilege. >> they're not covered by executive privilege. if bannon's own team's admitting these holes in public, if that's their defense, just wait until the prosecution gets ahold of this and gives their version of the case. is one of donald trump's ultimate 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i mean the clip you played, i just want to really emphasize how ridiculous steve bannon's lawyer just exposed himself in that clip that you played. the entire theory of bannon's case is that all of his conversations and documents are covered by executive privilege. the lawyer just went on tv and said clearly there are some documents and conversations that are not covered by executive privilege. it's like if i was accused of arson and my defense was like, well, i didn't have a lighter then i went on tv, i said don't get me wrong, i have lots of matches, but not a lighter. just right there, the lawyer is blowing a hole in the otherwise ridiculous defense that bannon is making. there is something called executive privilege. nothing called podcaster privilege. that doesn't exist. so the fact bannon was a podcaster making talking about january 6th is not covered by any privilege under the law and his argument that he shouldn't have to, have to play ball and sorry, submit to a authorized congressional subpoena is just ridiculous. but can we just talk as adults for a second? >> sure. >> your viewers are capable of understanding that this argument has nothing to do with the lawyer. this is not, he's not making a legal argument. he does not have a tolerable legal claim. there will not be law review articles written about this new, crazy podcaster defense. all he's trying to do is delay and delay and delay and get through the 2022 midterms because his theory of the case, mark meadows' theory of the case, michael flynn's theory of the case is if the republicans can just take back the house in november, next november, then they will end this select committee and make all of these subpoenas moot. so all they're trying to do is get to 2022. >> right and let's dig into that intersection with the case because we just showed an effort to constitutionalize it and claim they need extra time for as you say, law review level issues that don't exist. and the judge said no. the judge might put them on a faster track. >> look, this is a trump judge. this is a judge appointed by trump and who clerked for clarence thomas, right, so like not batting on my team. but he has shown since he was appointed by trump and with that lifetime, you know, guarantee, he has shown real i think the word is dismissiveness towards the clown coup operation, right? he is the same judge that caught the dominion case. the lawsuit against the election company, dominion. and he threw them out on a rail. he threw those guys out on a rail. so this judge doesn't seem, you know, he might be a conservative. i might disagree with him about, you know, tax policy, but it seems like he's on board with the project of democracy. so i don't think that he's going to play around with bannon here. i think like, of the trump judges that you could have got, they probably got the, department of justice probably got a good one here but even so, while dismissing bannon's attempts to delay even the pretrial status meaning to the next year, what are we still looking at? the next day for another status conference already now december 1st? is he really going to get the trial going before the holidays? does anybody think that's really going to happen or are we going to see this trial leak out into the beginning of 2022, at least, right? that's how that delay strategy works. even with an aggressive quarter. and quick trials and quick justice, even if all of that happens, they can still put themselves if not after the midterms, very, very close to the midterms and bannon's just the first one. as you played in your opening, you've got meadows out there who's already in violation of a subpoena, but he still hasn't even been referred to to the justice department from congress. we got to wait for that. flynn's date is coming up. we don't know what's going to happen with him or steppian or any of them and all bannon is doing is showing these guys the road. the way. if you delay and you delay and you delay, they can't catch up to you. before the midterms. >> that's why the public bromance with meadows is so important. because these are still people trying to protect donald trump. no doubt about that. they may be doing it legally. and this is also why we go to elie because there's the so-called formal textbook law then what they sometimes call the legal realist view, which is what's really going down and you have the knowledge of the former, but the sober clarity of the latter and we appreciate you, sir. >> thank you so much for having me. >> thank you. up ahead, we have this news coming out of speaker pelosi's office about a vote and david plouffe is here. stay with us. vote and david plouffe is here. stay with us lift and push and push! there... it's up there. hey joshie... wrinkles send the wrong message. help prevent them with downy wrinkleguard. feel the difference with downy. get help managing your money for the life -- and years -- ahead. with fidelity income planning, we'll 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from the hill. house democrats will vote tonight on biden's $1.8 trillion social spending plan. this comes right after the big win on infrastructure. we're joined now by david plouffe, former adviser to president obama. what do you see here in what has been a blizzard of negotiations and then talk of spending? if someone's watching going okay, is the second one going to get passed or not, what do you tell them? >> you and i have talked about this previously. i think the only thing worse for some members in seeing this pass is not having it pass. so now that the house has passed this, i think it's almost certainly going to pass in december then joe biden i think has two signatures you could argue historic achievements and i think then the task is to go out and make sure they get executed before you get the story. everybody who's eligible for them know about them? does everybody know the benefits? then you basically have to do story telling because there's a gap between the support of these two bills at joe biden's approval and with political polling and data, we know who these people are and you can find and communicate them and hopefully you can narrow that down. >> yeah. you just put your finger on the gap, which is what the white house is really fixated on right now. when we hear from joe biden that these are great programs that will help america a lot immediately, you know who agrees with that? the majority of americans. more americans than the share that voted for him, which shows that cross partisan outreach that joe biden said was part of his appeal and part of his method of governing. then there's the exact gap you just said, which is the problem for the white house. you don't always see these kind of gaps. here you have the overall approval on the left. you'd think joe biden was donald trump. okay. that's 36. that's not where most incumbent presidents want to be in year one and yet the two big things domestically are way up in the high 50s. david, explain why and is it movable? >> i will say that you know, there's polls, biden's approval is lower than the white house or democrats would like. i saw a poll in wisconsin today. wisconsin, pretty important state, had his approval at 49. >> hold on, i got to push back on you as a lawyer, strategist, pollster debate. of course you can find another poll, but that poll is not great. >> well, no. so my point is i don't think he's at 36. but you know f you look at all the ago revegas in the polls, he's probably in the low to mid 40s. but i do think what's driving that is people are unhappy with the direction of the country. largely because we're 20 months into covid. i think once we break through that, all of us are going to breathe a sigh of relief. i think now joe biden is kind of a strive of washington. i think he'll look strong. this is a leader that can deliver. that will certainly make democrats more enthusiastic, which is an important part of the political equation, but those are popular measures. you have to look at this as an 11-month campaign. to reach everybody who's open to democrats and explain to them what they did and what the republicans opposed, all the bridges, roads, all the wealthy making them pay their fair share, prescriptions for seniors at $2,000. there is many, many chapters to this book and i think -- the biggest thing right now is no individual piece of legislation. i think there's a sense of people very tired where we are in the pandemic. i'd be surprised if you don't see those numbers in the next coming weeks and months. >> all really interesting stuff. a man who's been there at the top of campaigns. david plouffe, thank you, sir. >> thanks, ari. >> appreciate it. up ahead, we turn to a very important story with a significant guest. an inmate's life spared hours before today's planned execution. julius jones' sister joins me next. jones' sister joins me next ...with rybelsus®. 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[ cheering ] an emotional outpouring amid a tense legal process. 20 years ago, he was convicted of the murder of 45-year-old father and business man, paul howell. his family releasing a statement today -- that's their reaction. we documented many issues with the original trial and evidence. jones for his part has always maintained his innocence. >> i am here before you today to tell you what i never got to tell the jury. yes, i may have made mistakes in my youth, but i did not kill mr. paul howell. >> there were many problems exposed during and after the trial including a report from a juror that a fellow juror discussed lynching jones and used a racial slur. >> one of the jurors said, well -- got back, shoot him, burr him under the jail. it didn't matter what happened. this was a black man on trial for murder. he did it. >> jones' case got national attention. both in the press as well as in grass roots organizing, film making, the details about the issues also got more and more scrutiny. kim kardashian west tweeted to her over 70 million followers today after having previously advocated for jones saying thank you to governor stitt and everyone who used their voice to save his life. supporters of jones breaking into song today with amazing grace. ♪ i once was lost but now i'm found ♪♪ >> we have been covering this case repeatedly on the beat with a range of reporting and experts. we have a very special guest now for the first time. that is julius jones' sister, antoinette jones. i know this has been a very difficult time and day for you and your family. thank you for joining us. how are you doing? >> i'm doing pretty good. i'm doing a lot better. i'm doing pretty good. my parents were elated. my mom, she yelled, thank you, jesus, you you, jesus", you know, hallelujah. i felt the same way. but i understand we still have a fight on our hands. so i'm appreciative for our partner patrol board for their consistency, and i'm appreciative for our governor stopping the execution of my brother. >> how did you hear the news? >> we were sitting at a table at denny's, and our campaign director ceci got the word from a few members of our defense team. that's how we found out. and then i called my parents and over speaker i relayed it to them. >> was it something that you felt could still happen, or by today, which is the day of the scheduled execution, you had surmised and felt perhaps it was not going happen, that he was going to be executed by the state today. >> to be honest with you, my faith compelled me to believe that my brother would not be executed. just my relationship with god. and i know a lot of people well, that's crazy. but you have to have crazy faith to me to be a christian, you have to have crazy faith to go by faith. things that you can't see, you know. that's how -- that is my mind-set going forward. always i speak things and i pray and ask god for things and i expect to receive them. >> there was a lot of interest in the case. we and others documenting many of the problems in the trial. we're not going to go into all of them at this juncture. but widening even beyond just your brother's case, people have learned about it and seen that the justice system and particularly the capital punishment system has documented racism in america. what do you think people need to understand about this since you have lived it so closely? >> there is a -- racism plays a huge -- it's huge. it was huge in jesus' case. it was definitely huge in the '90s. just the layers with which julius' current defense team had to go through. just to find out all of these little loopholes and you definitely have to have resources. and my community doesn't necessarily have resources to have adequate counsel. and in the state of oklahoma, there is a significant of lawyers that don't have capital experience. that was also an issue back then in julius' case. there were not a lot of attorneys who had capital murder experience. so the lawyer that julius first had, mr. albert berry, i hope i'm saying his name right, he passed. so that's when the d.a. in the past, bob mazie appointed david mckenzie who was not well equipped, and he didn't have resources. so, yeah. >> yeah. i mentioned in our original reporting and today the victim's family responds. and they have a role in this as well. and they have spoken out. and your family has spoken out. what else do you want people to know about your brother, who was apprehended and caught up in this in a very young age. this has been his life. we showed some video from him as well which is the one somewhat rare time we heard from him when he was presenting to the board. what else do you want people to know about him now that today his life has been spared by the system? >> i want people to know that my brother is innocent. and i'm not just saying that because he is my brother. i'm saying that because i was there. he was at the house with us. julius was at the house with us during mr. howell's murder. we were celebrating julius' birthday over a birthday cookie, and my oldest brother antonio and i took a huge piece of julius' birthday cookie. i mean, when he seen it, he was so mad. he was i can't wait to tell mom when she gets home. y'all are always eating my stuff. and i won't forget that, because he passed back and forth between the living room and the kitchen, waiting for mom to come home from taking my oldest brother to work. so he met her at the door. that's something i won't forget because ooh, i'm going get in big trouble. but i want -- >> go ahead. please. >> sorry. i want people to know my brother is not a person that would take someone's life. he was a person that would step in front of a bullet for someone. he is a person that pours in love. he is my greatest supporter, my greatest fan. yes, sir. >> yeah, understood. and legally, that goes to the offer to alibi as well as many other issues in the trial, which we have covered. i'll direct viewers to msnbc.com or youtube, the longer reported we did on the case. but it was quite a legal development today to see the governor step in hours before your brother's scheduled execution there to commute the sentence. again, i will say not as a journalist, but as a human being, it must have been quite the day and the roller coaster all this time for you and your family. and i know as you and others have said, there is a lot more work left to do. but these are important facts and stories. so i appreciate you coming on "the beat" and talking to us tonight, ms. jones. >> yes, sir. thank you for having us. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. and we'll be right back. ight ba. now you can enjoy the best eggs in so many delicious ways. eggland's best. the farm-fresh taste you love. plus, superior nutrition. only eggland's best. ♪♪ so you have diabetes, here are some easy rules... no sugar. no pizza. no foods you love. stressed? 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