anniversary of the day. the pier shooters, many veterans themselves, leaped from planes used in world war ii. d-day began june 6, 1944 marking what historians call to the beginning of the end of the war. on thursday president biden will join the celebrations as he makes his first state visit to france. he's okay with it, donald trump speaking today about what lies ahead after his conviction. in his hush money case, coming up. good afternoon from msnbc in washington, d.c., welcome to alex wood reports. i'm in and for alex. we begin with the latest from the fallout of the guilty verdict against donald trump. stormy daniels speaking out, giving her first postverdict interview to a widely circulated british tabloid telling the sunday mirror she wants trump jail. if she had to she would go back to july, -- 2006 and would not have attempted, accepted his invitation to dinner in lake tahoe. quote, i definitely regret putting myself in that situation but i'm not the one should be ashamed. i'm not the one who was married. i had -- or dishonest. she talked about lyrical polarization around the case. >> it is so -- like how do you get this and this to ever pull together? and a lot of that light donald trump, he divided the country and people of the world in ways that i just didn't think was possible. >> we will hear more from stormy in a few minutes. also trump's lawyers saying the sentencing on july 11th may be delayed by potential appeals. and that in the meantime trump is likely to continue his attacks on the judicial process. >> he has an absolute constitutional right to comment on matters of public importance and unfortunately this trial, which was i believe unjustly inserted into the residential election cycle is a matter of tremendous importance. the weapons in the station of our legal system, it is asian of prosecution are the things president trump absolutely has to comment on. >> we have reporters and analysts in place, covering all the developments. let's begin with nbc news' senior national politics reporter john allen. thank you for being here in person on the sunday. so donald trump doesn't have any campaign events this weekend but what are we hearing from him? >> he has been traveling around new jersey, for ufc fights. that we have heard from donald trump as well as stormy daniels. we will hear more from them in just a second. a sickly, he's talking about he's not going to beg for any leniency. we got the sentencing phase coming up in july after the 34 counts. let's listen to what donald trump has to say in his own words and then army daniels. >> the judge can decide house arrest or even jail. >> i'm okay with it. i saw one of my lawyers the other day on television saying you don't want to do that. you don't back for anything, you just it is the waiters. >> i don't think trump understands anything. anything. he's out of touch with reality. you have to find the punishment. not just the crime, it is fair and just, but that it is an impact that particular person. >> so what you hear there is donald trump saying if he goes to jail, then he goes to jail. it is not clear that is actually going to do the result of what happened. judge mershon has discretion. could be a fine, could be house arrest or jail certain, donald trump is in a position we expect him to appeal this jury verdict. >> it is interesting though, donald trump is acting like he doesn't care he's going to go to jail. we know his whole thing is to be bravado and look and put on a brave face but are you surprised by that at all? >> nobody wants -- i don't know what you think jail is going to be like, even if it is a relatively nice jail, even if he has his own wing. i think we are going up -- we are getting ahead of ourselves in terms of needing to wait for the sentence to see what that is going to be. but donald trump is putting on a brave face and he is trying to make this about something larger than himself. i'm not sure that it really isn't about something larger than himself. he's talking about how he has been under a gag order and let's be clear what that gag order would say. it says donald trump can't intimidate witnesses or port officials or their families. it does not prevent him from talking about the case and as we have heard on multiple times a day from the courthouse, earlier this week, multiple times a day, attacking pretty much every element of this case. but just not allowed -- even by reference to michael cohen, calling him a sleazebag. does not -- he has a lot of latitude to talk about the case. >> it is interesting to hear he says i cannot talk about this though he decided not to take the stand and to say i don't care about jail but you and me and everybody doesn't want to go to jail. is smart point to make on the sunday., jonathan allen. i want to bring in dave aaron burr, state attorney for palm beach county and patricia, legal reporter for bloomberg news. she's been in the courtroom for trump's trial. dave, first you. what are your thoughts on stormy daniels, the first interview and what you think she wants her voice to be heard in this way, given the fact she wore a bulletproof vest when she was testifying. she's talked about how scary all of this has been for her. what you make of the fact that she is speaking out? >> it means she wants dedication, and she got it. because of the jury did not believe her, then they would not have found donald trump lt because todd blanche, i thought he made a crucial error. he did what trump paley told him to do which denied the affair entirely. he should have acknowledged the affair. denying the affair it allowed stormy daniels to tell the story in detail. perhaps too much detail. but she wants indication because she has had to walk around with proof vest. she has had endless supplies of death threats and she wants the world to know she's been telling the truth and the jury validated that. >> it is interesting you say that she wants to be validated. and i'm wondering, do you think stormy daniels is saying she could have a risk for the appeals process. >> i don't think her statements will jeopardize the appeal in any way. i think donald trump's statements have more effect on the appeal. i think donald trump's statements have a bigger effect on sentencing. the longer he continues to be defiant, to continue to lie about what happened with stormy daniels, to insult the judge and the prosecutors, even though he is allowed to do so under the gag order. the person that will make up the decision on the penalty will be the guy wearing the black robe, who trump continues to insult. he is a human being like everyone else and he may lay the -- lay the smack down on him if trump continues to run his mouth. >> patricia, you were there as stormy daniels sat 10 feet away from donald trump. she told the mayor, the british tabloid that it was intimidating with the jurors, saying she wanted to come out and prove she had been telling the truth she entire time. she added, it is not over for me and it will never be over for me. trump may be guilty but i have to live with the legacy. what struck you about her testimony and what you think resonated with the juries? >> she obviously seemed extremely nervous when she started testifying. extremely anxious. -- it was bubbling out of her. but on the second day when she was testifying and on cross, she held her own. and that is when i thought she --. she was able to show that hey, just because you are donald trump's lawyer, i am not intimidated and she -- with trump's defense lawyer who was just examining her. at one point she was accused of making money off donald trump. she said not unlike your client selling gold shoes. she gave as good as she got. and i think one thing we are forgetting in the sentencing issue, judge merchan did issue a gag order but he will impose the sentence on donald trump. we haven't seen any expressions of remorse from the defendant, let alone humility. in fact he called the judge a devil the other day. these are the comments that judge merchan may take into account. he has to impose the rule of law and show he's doing it fairly and evenly, not just somebody who's running for re- election. i think that is going to factor in greatly for his consideration. >> as you talk about what donald trump has said, i want to play some of what donald trump said on friday about stormy daniels without actually saying her name. >> with these people, they were able to use people, salacious -- by the way, nothing ever happened. it was no, anything. nothing ever happened and they know it. that they were salacious as they could be. it had nothing to do with the case. they had to do with politics. and do you notice the timing? the timing was perfect. >> a reminder there that while trump is claiming falsely that someone thing is connected to democrats, there is no evidence of that. but i want to ask you in particular dave, does the unanimous vote guilty verdict, does it say that the jurors accepted stormy daniels claims, that they believed her in their fact-finding mission? >> yes, yes it does. as well as michael cohen as well. trump had every opportunity to cross-examine both of them and his lawyers failed. i don't think he benefits by continuing to deny a story that even supporters have to acknowledge. come on, he should acknowledge it. he should have just moved on and he could have avoided all the details at trial. i will say this, on appeal, trump's lawyers will be able to complain about the fact that judge merchan allowed so many dirty details of the encounter between daniels and trump. some of the stuff we heard was tmi and in an appellate court, they could decide it was too prejudicial. that is legitimate grounds on appeal. remember trump's lawyers opened the door to it by denying the encounter ever existed, hence the details. >> definitely details that had us cringing a bit. patricia, i want to ask about what donald trump is doing now, which is saying he's okay with house arrest or jail time. if that is part of his sentence. what factors are on the table when judge merchan goes to hold the july 11th sentencing hearing, and can any of his post verdict behavior influence the sentencing, do you think? >> i think it can. the judge has a lot of leeway under the law. -- he can string them together and make a maximum of four years. he can give a range. he can impose part-time, maybe six months and home detention. legal experts have said to me, he could fashion something creative. you do nights in jail at rikers island even. but they also said there really -- it is important for merchan to show that he's not going to treat donald trump differently than any other defendant. we have to remember that merchan presided over allen weisselberg, trump's longtime cfo, allen weisselberg who convicted of 15 counts of tax fraud. a much more serious crime and he got five months in jail. at rikers island. and he said to him, i take white-collar crime very seriously. donald trump has been convicted of 34 felonies. so it is many more crimes and you have a judge dealing with somebody, donald trump has put himself out there as i'm running for president and i am right and everyone is wrong. even the judge has to consider to treat it as fairly as any other defendant including white, brown, or purple, that donald trump isn't special. he has to be treated the same way other people would be treated. >> as patricia is saying, the judge needs to show that she is treating donald trump fairly. donald trump's lawyer now, we played that for folks saying he might not face any sentencing at all. is that because of the appeals process? what exactly is the lawyer saying? help me understand that. >> trump may never serve any time because as soon as sentencing happens, his lawyers are going to appeal it and that could take years. even if he does get jail time, he's not going to be wearing an orange jumpsuit anytime soon because this is going to be on appeal. i think trump is in some trouble though because he's been insulting the judge so much so there's every reason why the judge could lay the hammer down. but why should we expect that when trump has violated his gag order 10 times and a judge merchan, and experienced and respected judge has refused to treat him like any other defendant, giving him better treatment by avoiding serious sanctions. so i think when it comes down to sentencing, even though george merchan has every reason to send him to jail, i think he avoids doing that. i think that probation or even house arrest is likely the course of action here. >> dave, you talked about the appeals process and i'm watching in d.c. a couple of blocks from the supreme court. is there a path for the trump defense team to take this case to the work? >> yeah, i think so. they could say that is a prosecutor cannot lean on federal campaign finance law to elevate a state misdemeanor to a state felony. that would be a violation of due process, perhaps wrongful interpretation of the federal law, the campaign finance law, how they apply to in this case. that is a the u.s. supreme court to get involved. speaker johnson could get his wish eventually. is saver justice is justice alito and justice clarence thomas may end up weighing in on the case after all. >> and patricia, i want to ask you, do you think that stormy daniels will show up to sentencing? >> it is possible. the poor woman has been barbecued by the defense for years. and you know, she finally got her do, same as michael cohen. so they are perfectly entitled -- as victims of this crime. they are the people that were vilified and now they get to be in court and see what happens to donald trump as a result of this. i just want to add in, you can't under new york state law start an appeal until after sentencing the trump has to wait until july 11th if he is sentenced and the other thing that has to happen, he can start planning out his appeal in manhattan -- and then he can go to the supreme court. one thing judge merchan and prosecutors have in their favor is, a federal judge, last year upheld the prosecution of the state prosecution of donald trump and he issued 65 page ruling, laying out all parameters of why there could be a view of state authority. prosecutors have that advantage. >> yeah, great context. thank you, both of you, dave and patricia for coming on. the men at the heart of donald trump's hush money case, now says he's worried what secrets trump might spill if he is in prison. a former homeland security official joins me with the most worrying secrets trump might have could be. we will be back in 90 seconds, stay with us. ay with us. that's why i love my swiffer wetjet. it's a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. look at that! swiffer wetjet. do you want to close out? 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>> you make an extraordinary verdict and an extraordinary moment and regardless of the legal analysis of the case, the reality stands that there is a man who has been convicted by a jury of his peers, who is running as one of the major party candidates for the presidency. that is of enormous consequence. and maybe even more shocking than that, a lot of us expected is not going to dent his support very much within his party. we've yet to see comprehensive polls after the ruling, but that is the sense of folks looking at the cross tab initially and it is remarkable and says something remarkable about our politics. to michael cohen's comments, i've got to say that i don't think it is an overstatement. i think it really is, quite extraordinary in its own right, that someone who is a convicted criminal would be receiving the sort of standard intelligence briefings, a major already kennedy gets before the presidency. but this is a story image that goes back about a decade. when donald trump was running for president the first time in 2016 i remember how concerted officials in the intelligence community wore. they ran wargames on how and what to share with the man because it was suspected he might potentially be compromised by russia. and of course as president we worried about sharing classified information with him because of his tendency as cohen noted to trade information and share things we had told him where secrets. people's lives depended on it and of course after the presidency he stole classified documents and we can't soon forget he was convicted of felony charges not related to those documents. but as he's getting briefings, he's being charged with having stolen secrets previously. you got to think current intelligence officials are going to figure out how to appropriately provide those briefings but sanitize them of information that could put lives in danger. >> that is put in context when you think about the intelligence he could have access to. normally trump is being convicted of a felony would make it difficult to obtain a security clearance but the washington post points out it doesn't apply to the highest office of the land. of course, that being the presidency by winning office, presidents are giving access to ossified information and consider the ultimate classification authority in the government. it is something that worries you, and does -- could this change given the protocols? donald trump is really, maybe an anomaly, maybe it is a new phase of american democracy. but of course he's the first former president to be convicted of a felony. you think this could change things? >> i do think it could. in fact when i used to work with folks in the justice department who handled classified information cases, they were always worried about these edge cases, the extraordinary episodes were classification law could get tested. why? because that would set precedent in later years for other cases and i say this because there's so much unusual and very unhelpful precedent being set with donald trump's mishandling of classified information, that you do worry in the future when we charge individuals for spying on the united states and mishandling classified information, that they may have president to point back to that gets them more lenient sentence, or makes it difficult for them to be prosecuted at the end of the day. that is a concern for folks in the justice department and nonpartisan official to deal with these cases. but then as michael cohen notes, there's a bizarre circumstance in which it may be possible donald trump is in person with convicted felons and the man does trade information. we have seen them do it at the highest levels and lowest levels, from world leaders who shouldn't know ossified secrets down to valets who absolutely shouldn't be handling that information. so i don't think it is too much of a stress to be concerned how this man is going to handle secrets that he already has proven to be incapable of handling. >> and you think about this, you have to underscore the verdict is not expected to change plans for trump to receive security briefings when he is officially the gop presidential nominee, this comes despite him basing charges as he pointed out, mishandling classified information. now the briefings, they are considered more low level. do you think the intelligence agents, the rank and file people who are going to be giving these briefings to him, are they particularly careful when it comes to donald trump? >> yeah, i think they will be reconsidering that right now. i don't think the biden administration will decide to not give the briefings to trump, but as i say, i think they will consider how to sanitize the briefing so he can still be provided relevant information in case he becomes president of the united states again. the national security information someone would need to know, maybe operations he should be prepared to overtake, but withhold enough of the details that should he share them with folks, they could protect the operations and the individuals involved. but just the mere fact that intelligence officials, again, nonpartisan officials would have to do that, speaks to the extraordinary nature of this moment. and let's not forget, he is currently being charged with having unlawfully removed such information in the past. so they have to be delicate about what they share with donald trump. but i don't think biden wants to be seen with holding those briefings, because that will turn into yet another political issue. so they are in a difficult position but there will be no more difficult position that if he becomes president of the united states again because trump has signaled he will go -- he wants to declassify information and that can pose bigger risks to the intelligence community. >> important context and important information, miles teller, as you said, and extraordinary historic precedent and all sorts of words we can use for the times we are living in them. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, information about the push for a cease-fire in the israel/hamas war. -- joins me to talk about how democrats want the president to handle the trump verdict before november. that is next. at is next. but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. new developments this hour in the cease-fire proposal for gaza. earlier today an aide to prime minister benjamin netanyahu telling the sunday times they agreed to a plan saying quote, it is not a good deal but we dearly want the hostages released. nbc news' john letterman joins us from london. what do we know about this? >> reporter: the last 24 hours or so, there's been two big developments that have changed the picture. one are the comments from the senior netanyahu adviser. suggesting that israel had been begrudgingly talked into this cease-fire proposal by the biden administration. the second, that there is now a campaign underway in israel by the far right, by people who don't want to see any type of a deal that would end the war, to undermine this proposal. that is really raising concerns that this very tentative cease- fire deal could fall apart. >> israel and hamas under growing pressure to accept a cease-fire deal that president biden says good end nearly eight devastating months of war. the proposal gaining support from regional powers, egypt and qatar. -- including full withdrawal, the construction of gaza and displaced palestinians returning home. a senior leader calling it generally good but saying they need to see the details. but as momentum grows, there's new skepticism from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu move mr. biden said agreed to the deal. >> israel was offered a conference of proposal. hamas needed to take the deal. >> reporter: netanyahu says it is a nonstarter. unless hamas is effectively destroyed, a condition hamas seems unlikely to accept. the israeli leader squeezed from both sides, his fragile governing coalition -- right wing members threatened to bolt if he accepts the deal. while families of israeli hostages demand that yahoo do the deal now. in tel aviv, protesters have a banner pleading with mr. biden to save the hostages from netanyahu. as mr. biden takes heat for backing israel, netanyahu accepting an invitation to speak to congress about a war that for now is still raging. israel's military, pushing further into rafah with the majority of palestinians sheltering while hundreds of aid trucks remain stuck at shuttered border crossings. and we heard earlier today from white house national security spokesman john kirby on another network saying essentially the u.s. believes most of israel's military goals, vis-@-vis hamas, have been achieved. you seem to be trying to make an argument to israel that netanyahu says we are not ending the war until hamas has been defeated militarily and governing capability, israel can essentially check that box and move on to a cease-fire. we also heard kirby say today, the -- despite skepticism israelis may back out of this, that if hamas agrees to the proposal, the white house has every expectation that israel will follow through with it. >> thank you for breaking down that cease-fire proposal, and the developments we will keep watching. now to decision 2024, and new polling reflected in this headline, 49% of independents and 15% of republicans think trump should end his campaign after conviction. joining me now, quentin fulks, principal deputy campaign manager of the bidens 2024 campaign. thank you for being here with me. >> thank you for having me. >> does a biden campaign pop fall into the 49% of independents and 50% of republicans polled who believe former president donald trump should end his campaign now that he has been found guilty on 34 charges? >> the biden campaign falls into the camp that the only way we are going to get rid of donald trump is defeating him at the ballot box which is why for months we've been building infrastructure and apparatus to medicate with voters where they are in the contrast the selection of two opposing agendas for america. 100 president biden were people have more freedoms and did not last and one under donald trump full of political extremism, threats to take away rights and freedoms. that is what our goal has been and that is where we remain postconviction and before. >> you say, you think is going to be determined at the ballot box. i wonder how much weight do you give these polls, how much hope, if at all, do you see in these polls when you see the way americans react to these charges, be it donald trump being found guilty of those 34 charges? >> i think that the polls are a snapshot of time. the american people are going to make up their own mind. the judicial system played out here. there still sentencing that has to be done. there's a lot of variables so again, our focus is on what we can control and what we can control is how we communicate with voters, where we decide to put old offices, how we are present in communities across the country, speaking to voters directly about issues that they care about. and there's a lot to care about. people are going to make up their own minds about this trump conviction burdick. people also care about economics. people care about health care. rent, mortgages, so we are not going to put our eggs in one basket we are going to talk to voters about the things that president biden and vice president harris are impacting their daily lives. >> i hear you on not putting everything into one basket but i wonder if the "new york times" in particular is reporting now the democrats are pushing president biden to make trump's felonies a top 2024 issue. is a biden campaign, is your campaign taking that to heart, and i wonder, if that does happen, does it go to the president were circuits? we hear reporting at nbc news that the campaign was going to get more aggressive after the trial. what does it all look like? >> we on the biden campaign, everything we do will be through the president and at the presidents well and how he wanted to play out. but again, our focus is on controlling what we can. two things are true, donald trump is a convicted felon and he will be republican nominee so we have to continue to push along and do everything we have been doing for months, investing in unpaid communication, investing in on the ground organizing to make sure we are communicating with people. i don't think we should underestimate the american people in what they see and hear. we see the split screens with president biden leading on the world stage and at home and then also, those of donald trump, where he is honestly fighting to defend himself. he's continuing to push for revenge and retribution. is doubling down, threatening the judicial system, trashing democracy. american voters aren't stupid. they see these things and we have to keep her head down and do what we know what we need to do to communicate a message. >> on friday as he said, this is a biden campaign. president biden told the american people that the verdict in a donald trump's hush money trial proved no one is above the law. listen more of what the president is saying. >> it is irresponsible. for anyone to say this was rigged. just because they don't like the verdict. our justice system has endured nearly 250 years. and not only is it the cornerstone of americana. >> how much is that part of the central message you hope to get across to voters, and how much of it will impact the raise? >> i think donald trump continues to lie because he's unhappy with the verdict and at the end of the day as you heard the president say, it played out the way the justice system plays that for every single ordinary american in this country and donald trump is no different. the verdict proves no one is above the law. but i do think it is fitting donald trump is now in this position where he's trashing the judicial system and how it played out but when the central park five, now the exonerated five were found innocent, donald trump is still calling for the death penalty. is switched up a little bit but we are going to continue to make sure that we are drying the contrast between president biden and donald trump. all of president biden's accomplishments, the promises he made to american voters and promises he has kept, creating jobs, bringing inflation down, wringing brent costa down and that is where our focus will remain and what we will continue to talk about over the next five months. >> you talk about messaging. part of that has been working to mobilize black voters. president biden invited president -- in philadelphia to rally black voters in the critical swing state. recent nbc polling shows the president's support among black voters has dropped since the last election. what you think the president is struggling to retain some of these voters? >> i don't think the president has, i think voters have not been paying attention over the last several months. again, they have been living their lives and wondering how they will continue to keep it on the table. they've been wondering and worrying about their jobs and economic situations, all things president biden and vice president harris are fighting for every day while donald trump remains in the race for himself. our job will become much easier as voters continue to tune into this election cycle and pay attention to what candidates and campaigns are saying to them and what the issues they are speaking about and how these things will impact them. we have to talk to american voters about the future of this country and what is next. and what we believe the future to be, when where everyone has a chance to succeed under president biden and vice president harris or under donald trump where the wealthiest and corporations get ahead. one that he's looking out for his friends and the judicial system is not going to be respected. one where democracy is going to crumble across the globe. that is the agenda donald trump has, in opposition to the agenda president biden and vice president harris are bringing to the table. >> really briefly though, are you concerned about black voters and their support for the biden campaign that >> no, i think black voters are very intelligent. i think the black voters are not a monolith. i don't think black voters are going to be fueled or fooled by all of the racist tropes that are coming out, selling sneakers, doing concerts. like voters are much smarter than that and we are not going to take them for granted and we continue to reach out to them as we have been since day one of this campaign, to communicate how president biden and vice president harris made promises to them and kept them and also the division they have for black voters in the next four years so they can get ahead. >> thank you so much, quinton bolts of the biden campaign. i appreciate you coming on. >> thank you for having me. donald trump's first interview since his conviction, and what he said about the public's reaction, should he be sentenced to jail time. that is next, stick with us. u. wanna know a secret? 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projecting, trying to put on a brave face when he saying that he wants to not be worried about this while also saying the public won't stand for it? what you think he's trying to project there? >> i think there's two things to unpack. first, first of all he's actually not comfortable with going to jail. that is just bravado. it has been reported in the "new york times" and i have tried -- talked to trump associates and he said he doesn't want to serve time. and that all of these proceedings weigh heavily on him. and remember, there's more criminal trials possibly awaiting him. so further trials, the threat of jail time, present time is very present for him right now. and i think that he's putting on a brave face for the sake of reporters and his ego. but i don't think he's at all comfortable with it. i think the idea he would condone violence on the streets, for people disturbed by the result of what was an abundantly fair judicial process, is to be expected because it's not the first time he's done it. remember that he watched the january 6th siege on the capital from a television in the white house. at rallies for years, he extolled violence and condoned it. so that is part of his character. he is an anarchist edit score. and he's always been willing for people to take to the streets and put on a show, violent or otherwise in his own name. >> while i want to take more of your reaction after the verdict was announced you wrote that trump's conviction might have terrible consequences for the country. violence in the streets, clinical divisiveness, citizens, distrustful of the judicial system but a trump guilty verdict was long overdue. explain what you mean and why being found guilty matters by a jury, we should say matters. >> while we are a nation of laws and the reason that laws exist, our institutions are in perfect. we routinely find problems with the way justice is administered but by and large, one of our social bargains is a nation that is governed and ruled by laws is more civil and civilized than one that isn't. and the cost of observing laws and respecting the rule of law is most important when it is most under threat. and it is most under threat in the united states than it has been since the civil war. so i think it was very important for this process to play out. donald trump got evicted -- convicted under an abundance of clear and damning information that went well beyond witnesses. the witnesses also provided very strong evidence against him . and a jury of his peers, two of them were lawyers. unanimously found him guilty of 35 felony counts. the system worked as it was supposed to work and the consequences of that our political fallout, distress, violence, that is something that we as americans have to stand up for in this moment if we believe in the rule of law. we have to deal with some of the fallout from this. >> you also note in your writing that despite the litany of falsehoods about the trial, that donald trump has unleashed outside the courtroom, the -- that trump got one thing right. the real verdict will be election day. new polls find half of americans agree the verdict was correct. to what extent do you believe donald trump will be repurposed thing his conviction into a political asset, to win over voters who are still on the fence quite >> i do not think being a convicted alan is a political asset. it is not good for any candidate in any situation to have to campaign when they have something like this hanging over their heads. though polls have began to show that. you have a sentencing on july 11th. you know, about a month and a half from now, that is going to remind people of all of this. depending on the nature of the sentencing, there are going to be constant reminders, even if he gets probation, he has to go in and out to meet with his ovation officers while campaigning. so all of this is going to be front of mine for voters and will not help him in his campaign at all. i also think as we know, this campaign is probably going to come down to six or seven swing states and a sliver of voters, probably moderate and independent voters in the states and traditionally those are voters who believe in u.s. institutions, respect the law, and have, most likely have a hard time electing someone who is a convicted felon as a result of the court process in which it was revealed that he had a sexual liaison with a porn star and was doctoring business records to cover it up. >> we will have to see in november what actually happened but we will follow the twists and turns as it continues. thank you tim o'brien for coming on. >> thank you. voting is underway in an election that could have huge implications for the united states. that is next. at is next. we're still going for that nice catch. we're still going for that perfect pizza. and with higher stroke risk from afib not caused by a heart valve problem,... ...we're going for a better treatment than warfarin. eliquis. eliquis 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week long election results, announced on tuesday. the prime minister is expected to win a third term. right now in mexico voters are expected to elect the country's first women president but rampant political violence has marred the election. nbc's -- in mexico city, for us. tell us about the two front runners for president and how the election could impact the u.s. >> reporter: it is a historic election for mexico. this would be the first woman president in its 200 year history. so on one side we have a close ally to the current president, but a very different individual. she is an academic, someone who lived in the u.s., speaks went english. she studied at stanford at berkeley and has seen a someone that can push the country forward when it comes to climate change, policies, overall a different way of managing government. and then we have the number two, from the opposition, a former senator and businesswoman. both of them getting most of the support. so it is going to be a big change for mexico. a big change for women in this country, that has been changing for some time now, because if you look at the legislature in mexico, nearly half of legislators in congress are women in mexico. this is a result of quotas put in place and changing demographics in the country. earlier today i spoke with a voter who told me she couldn't be more excited for the idea of having either, win the presidency. let's hear from her. >> i think that it is historical, and it is exciting because it shows how far we have come as a country. in which my gender is no longer a deterrent to to do or want to take my professional life to. >> the polls to show, as of now, that -- is the favorite. whatever happens, the next president of mexico is going to have to deal with the biggest issue voters are talking about, and that is public safety in a country that has seen attacks on many candidates, or aspiring candidates. it's been dozens that have been assassinated during this election cycle. the last one, this last friday and this is an issue affecting the country mainly in the rural areas were a lot of people have been suffering because of the impunity from criminal organizations. so they have to tackle that. and also immigration, an issue that directly affects americans. mexican officials reported about 7000 migrants arriving in the country daily. meanwhile u.s. authorities have been pressuring mexican authorities to keep migrants in mexico and keep them from arriving at the u.s./mexico order. it will be a challenge to deal with immigration, to keep good relation with the u.s. and public safety, these are the issues as the next president is elected in mexico. >> that is what will be a historic election. as he said, the challenge is for violence in that country. thank you for joining us. and now that will do it for me this hour. richard louis is up next, with stormy daniels, telling a tabloid, jail donald trump now. reaction and perspective on what she is saying in that 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