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i'll see you tomorrow morning 10 am until she. the 11th hour starts now. >> president biden is in colorado pitching his economic policies. >> as we are celebrating today, it is congressman's boebert's dispute. >> you have republicans who chose not to vote for federal infrastructure, and yet, the districts desperately need it. >> here is a guy who is celebrating bidenomics just this week, celebrating $28 million that came into your state because of the chips and signs act. >> elon musk -- >> blackmail me with advertising? blackmail me with money? [bleep]. [bleep]. >> it's only monday. >> george santos of new york has been formally expelled from the house. >> he's a bum. a liar, a fraud. would you hire him? >> members voting to expel him. >> god bless their hearts. >> is it inevitable? >> i'm delighted that they finally get their act together to get rid of this guy. >> good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. it is almost the weekend. and that means it is time for our friday night cap. where we break down the biggest stories of the week and what is ahead. with me tonight is an all start cat. jelani cobb is here, dean of the new york school of -- and an msnbc political contributor. veteran analyst who is now a reporter at the institute. karen rosenblatt, and my old dear friend -- cbc contributor and on the tape podcast. he is now gone, he is not a member of congress. as the boat expelled and went down, this guy put on his coats, basically put on his roller skates and jointed out of the joint. how big of a deal do you think this is? >> i think this is really an example of just what the house gop has become, this is a master class in what is going on with gop politics right now, when this guy came in everybody know that he was a liar, and an embarrassment to the house. they did not do anything about it because they wanted to keep mccarthy in the speakership, or could pass some bills that they wanted to do. things like that. they did not need him anymore, and they just tossed him out. it's some of the most cynical politics i've seen in my life. he's not a victim, george santos is a liar, he's been accused of a lot of terrible things, he's admitted to the line he has than. what happened around him just shows what this maga year of politics has been like. like, if you can help me now i don't really care about anything else you say or do. >> dan, could you imagine if this was in the business world, a public company, any business person. if they did one said tell of this behavior, somebody would get tossed out on their ear within seconds. what does this tell you about government? what should be at a higher level? obviously it is not. >> it was bipartisan, given credit there, but the question that you just asked of is what we as for 40 years during the trump administration. think about any sort of executive, the way that they are acting. we have some examples this week in the executive bag business wild. the other thing i have to say is about votes is now do gaetz, and then do menendez. take it the other way because i think it's actually a good first app to poach out of the house. >> or is it a dangerous one? because one of the reasons is that on both sides of the aisle we are concerned about the president. we could all say, go for menendez next, go for gaetz, but what if suddenly donald trump is president? and he is saying to republicans in congress, get this person out because i do not like them. get that person out because i do not like what they said last tuesday. how concerned are you about that? >> so listen. >> oh. >> no, here's the thing about this. this is the lowest possible ethical bar. and you still have to celebrate the fact that congress somehow stumbled its way over its. even if with all the kinds of caveats and provisions, there is no guarantee. and we have actually seen the opposite of the scenario that you just laid out. people have been given leniency and they sensation. the way before this and so on. they probably have, right now, not too much enforcement of rules in congress. it is the opposite. >> but even the rules, the rules are so thin. if they didn't expel him, then what was the point of an ethics committee even be? to say you are not so hot and do nothing? >> what's the point of having impeachment as a protocol? when we look at the behavior that donald trump exhibited, he was twice acquitted in impeachment trials. by the way, if you want to have a long conversation about this, impeachment almost never works. if your party is in power you will not get impeached. if you do get impeached, you will not be convicted. that is the reality in american politics. but that notwithstanding, we could say that about any of the principles that we have about current tense. governance. >> your point makes sense. it's not that it hasn't happened, it did happen. when santos was valuable, they kept him. and when he was not, and they put their majority at risk, particularly here in new york where they want to keep those seats they won to get the majority, they trust him. there is a process here at, there is a bargain whether this is a bad precedent i, feel like there's a different barrier for legal conviction versus being in the congress. they have their own process, they have their own rules, they went through the whole thing. they wrote a report, et cetera. i don't think that they should let congress off the hook here. particularly a look at a caucus that kept him in when it suited them. and that is an important lesson from this old chapter. >> young voters who are just getting engaged and involved in politics, how do they see george santos? >> this is a joke to them, stephanie. this is not serious. they are not concerned about what this says to the state of the future of this country. we've talked about this. they have much bigger fish to fry. but they have turned george santos into a meme. they're editing them into episodes of rupaul's drag race. >> oh my god. >> the trending topic underneath george santos was diva found, so they're making it into a total joke. it's emblematic of his time in congress. no worries on the youth end of this. >> all the top republicans voted to keep him there? >> this is a very surprising part of this. what i'm saying, there are the ones talking about presidents, being concerned about what would happen. we have seen some interesting conversations in congress about this. we have seen these censorship resolutions. there is conversations about congress being and keeping things working. and i do believe that leadership thinks there is a way to try to keep some comedy together, keep that caucus, and keep the process going. i am not clear what we are seeing today is congress being like, enough is enough. i think what we saw today was congress being like this is what we need to do right now, and then tomorrow what do we need to do next? >> something else today in the world of trump, or trump campaign world. where a court ruled that he can be sued for inciting violence on january 6th. >> it's a huge deal. first off, we have yet to really figure out what the implications of the 14th amendment with this will be. the cases that are winning their way through whether trump will be allowed to be on the ballot in various places. >> he's going to be. >> that is not the question. he will likely be on there but the question is whether or not the 14th amendment should prohibit him from being on the ballot. and it's a very strong argument that it should. on the other side of that, if we're thinking about what happens in terms of, i just lost my thought. [laughter] >> you can lose that. let's talk about nikki haley, she had a huge root week in terms of fundraising. new york city, wall street is in love with her. i love seeing all these rich guys come out and say i would like to make it publicly known i am backing nikki haley. in terms of writing a big check, thanks. no one cares. no one thinks this very successful guy in real estate backs nikki haley, so i am going to vote for her. does she have a path? she raised money, there's a groundswell around her but she is far behind donald trump. and she has yet to take a real swing at him. and she's running against him. >> before that, i can mention it's more than likely that anyone would have anywhere near 30 points within donald trump. so the only hope you have as that she builds constituency abound some big money, influential sort of folks, and then you get to the convention and something funky happens. i keep hearing this again and again. that is the battle that, i guess, needs to be played out. that's one of the reasons why desantis, all five foot six of him, was up there looking smaller and smaller all night. you know what i mean? >> he had his high heels on. >> he really had a tough time out there. i think that it's kind of interesting that that happened on a week where haley is getting a bunch of really big endorsements. i don't think that that koch endorsement is not a big one, also. so it think if she continues to build momentum and has the right people as backers, i think that something could go down. >> there's obviously a group of people in the republican party who don't want trump to be the nominee. but if we're in a position now where the billionaire backed moderate republican that the d. c. set likes becomes the nominee, everything we know about what's happened in politics since trump got into it is completely different. having a billionaire back hugh is not a good idea in politics these days. usually. so i think haley's doing a great job, i think this is partially having to do with how bad a job desantis has done. i've been on your show, every time i come on we're talking about another face plant that desantis has done. haley has gotten a lot of political success in her life. i don't think that looking at a group of billionaire backers is really that good for her beyond kind of the d. c. set. the populist voters that are out there, it remains to be seen if they care who jamie diamond likes or who wall street likes, or whatever. >> sure, but the other thing about this is that if we're talking about the summer -- first, of conventions really insulate themselves to the possibility. a lot of the things that have been in the conventions now have been brought out weeks beforehand. but if something did blow up, let's say you wound up with a nominee, a nikki haley nomination, there is no guarantee that the people that donald trump has galvanized, who have really taken over the gop, are going to find themselves able to reconcile with nikki haley. and if you remember, early, she hasn't taken a swing at him now. if you remember, in 2016, one of the sharpest criticisms about trump's nativism came from nikki haley. when she gave that indoor mint of marco rubio. she gave a really thorough -- -- >> and then she wrote a book that was basically a love letter to him. >> but let's talk about what she did then. she did this thing once. we're saying, it's still a precedent. she has made this argument, she's made this point, who knows if this becomes the next avenue that she would pursue in a case where there is a contested nomination. >> is there enough unity in never trump that -- to actually stop trump? >> there hasn't been. >> maybe this is the time. >> it hasn't happened so far, why would it happen now? >> that's my question. >> well for indictments they have something to do with it. >> our young voters looking at any of this? young voters who are inclined to vote republican? are they trumpers all the way, or is there another lane of a young republican voter that we don't even think about? >> i, mean i don't think that we have had a stand out candidate who could say young people are flocking to desantis or nikki haley, for now, i still think we see a trump base among conservative young voters. but really, what is fascinating to me, is finally trump's coming back into the conversation amongst young democratic voters. they are basically saying, now we need to get serious, because now we are generally concerned he will be back on the ballot. and we need to start thinking seriously about the policies he is considering -- one of them being, i saw on gen z for change, talking about repealing obamacare. >> which is hugely popular. >> yes, which is hugely popular. they are explaining to their young cohorts what will that mean if this is overturned, if this goes away. and so, it's young people on the left trying to educate one another about -- this is a real possibility, trump could be on the ballot. you may have to consider him as a candidate. and on the right, i think there still is a base for trump among young conservative voters. >> okay, trumps ride or die voters are going to stay with trump no matter what he says, no matter what he does. but beyond that base, which is not enough people to get him elected, what exactly is donald trump running on? when you look at what he's saying, let's repeal obamacare, that's not going to help us. for people who care about the economy, he wants to bring in these tariffs, that's going to make life more expensive. and what he really has been talking about is retribution, going after his enemies, and the thing beneath the surface is he's running so he doesn't have to go to jail. the non core trump voter who is potentially inclined to vote republican, why would they back him right now? what is he offering them? >> your point is he's just running on grievance, right? we've seen this with him in 16, in 20, and he did it again in 22. the truth is, he's actually the biggest political loser in the history of america. he won this election in 2016, we lost 18, lost 20, he lost 22, and he wasn't even on the ballot. when you think about what is messaging is, it's obviously been reinforced by all of these 91 counts and these four indictments, and whatever else comes. those core voters, like you say, that emboldens them. but it doesn't widen or broaden out the tenth. because i think when we really do get into the economy, reproductive rights, what's going on obviously with immigration, geopolitical goings on, he just doesn't have much to say there. he actually has more grievance, it feels like, right now, with his own party. so, the longer you have this never trump group out there, still thinking there is hope this summer, it actually, in my opinion, it takes a little something away from this republican base that we think might come back to him if he is the candidate. but i think you have to focus on these undecideds here, i think a lot of these undecideds in the last couple of elections really did fall, as it went to abortion, guns, and some of these other more social issues. >> here's one quick thing about this, though. the thing that trump did in 2016 is that he promised he would deliver on abortion. there were people in that trump coalition, there were people that held their noses. people who had issues with him, but they thought he would be the person who would deliver the justices that we get rid of roe. he can't dangle that out in front of people. >> did you ever think that trump's hard-core base would end up being white evangelicals? that is his true base. >> that's what it is. >> he got them more than any other voter. >> also the things people don't like about him, you don't have and abortion as a counter white. as a matter of fact, people are saying exactly how much trouble it has caused the other side, it's galvanized and motivated voters in the democratic party. that idea of his coalition being completely immutable and permanent, i don't know that it's going to hold up this go around. >> and beyond that, it's quite interesting, because one thing that actually binds haley and trump together is both of them have said to that coalition that worked so hard to get row overturned and did it, huge political success, took decades to do, that they're blowing it when it comes to the politics afterwards. trump is saying to people, you're running on this wrong, you can't talk about this, it's a state issue, we can't run on our national ban. haley is doing the same thing. there has been an interesting thing between both of these candidates, it's been there both actually pushing their own party now, away from this issue. that as you mentioned, was a huge thing to trump, he ran on on the guy they got rid of roe, now he's saying to people who wanted roe gone, you've got to go away now, you've got to go outside now, because you can't win. very interesting, haley's also doing it. >> there was a huge boom for trump, but is exactly what has gotten young voters in the last two midterms to turn out in support of democrats. when you see it in states like ohio, in tennessee, no one would have guessed when roe was overturned that it would be this huge, i don't even want to say win for democrats, but it has ended up being so at the ballot box. >> it's absolutely galvanized young people to turn out and -- especially young women. but i want to really emphasize that young voters, even though this is a huge issue for them, young democratic voters are really frustrated with biden right now. and even so, i'm seeing them really struggling with -- are they coming out for either candidate. i've been seeing this conversation about are they going to turn out at all. and threatening both sides. we were the ones that put the democrats over the edge. are you going to listen to what we want you to do? are you going to respect our needs, our desires? and even though abortion is a huge part of that, that they want to have their reproductive rights in trying to, the thing that a lot of them are talking about right now is the israel gaza conflict. they are furious with biden for his handling of that. for youth groups have sent him a letter, basically saying we helped you win your election, you need to listen to our voices. i am genuinely seeing an influx of tiktok's, twitter, instagram posts, where people are saying you can't vote for biden. do not vote for biden. these are democrats. >> the question is, are they getting a lot of their information -- whether it's from tiktok, or instagram, or twitter, are the things that they are actually learning about the news, factual? we're going to talk about it more in a second. we are not going anywhere, coming up, the vibe session. how we feel about the economy, this is how it's actually doing. and later, we're going to talk elon musk, he keeps himself in the spotlight, just like trump. but why that matters for all of us. the 11th hour and the friday 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connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. >> friday night cap is still i'm here to thank you. with us. i want to talk about how people are feeling, especially as it relates to the economy. dan, you and i could spend this hour pulling up charts, showing people numbers of how strong the economy actually is. where we were in the pandemic, where we are now, unemployment, wages, the fact that inflation has cooled. but it doesn't change the fact that people don't feel good about the economy, and someone watching is going, well, it's because the media says it's lousy every day. that's not it. when people go to book a flight, go to book a hotel, it's expensive. when they eat at a restaurant, it's expensive. and people feel -- i don't know how else to say it, crappy about the economy, despite it being so strong. what could change that? >> yeah, well, it can change by getting worse, actually. and that's one of the things that if you think about we are coming off of 40 or 50-year lows in unemployment, right? we're just getting back towards 4%, which used to be a number on the downside that you would be really happy to get to. but if we start getting over there, inflation is coming down, but it's still up year over year. that's something that i think the voter right now, they are the ones being pulled. so that's really interesting, in a way. and there's a big disconnect between the consumer. consumer confidence hasn't fallen off a cliff, because to your point, they still have a job, there's still been wage growth. -- >> so is spending. >> housing has not turned over. the stock market is taking -- making 52 because. >> stock market closed today. >> you're welcome, america, that's what trump used to tell us back in 17 and 18. that's a bit of messaging. i think the last time i was on with you i said that the biden administration need to get better surrogates out there. what are they doing this week? they are out on the road, he's -- he's a great surrogate for him, there's a whole host of others. they need to focus on the things that really do touch every day americans, and kind of get them ready for some of the headwinds that we might have. the last thing i will just say, i know you know markets, i know you've covered the economy? for a long time. there's lots of things that current administration disposal during election years to kind of ease some of this tension as it relates to the economy, and maybe we will get some of that this year. but i think things probably get a little tougher before they get better. that 5% gdp -- that's just a measure of the output of the economy. it probably doesn't get better from here. >> kalhan, there's these trends on social media that really connect with young people. this idea that we are in a silent depression. how much of that is driving home this idea that everything is terrible, people are miserable, they are unhappy? how much is that impacting us? tons of people who are still working from home, and they're happy about working from home, they are still isolated, and they are missing that culture, that positive connection in the workplace. there's just this malaise over us. >> i think that the silent depression in two ways, one in a economic sense, and one in a mental health sense. i'm not an economist, i don't know numbers, i can't talk to you about that. but what i can tell you is that i see young people, millennials on the younger end of the spectrum, and gen z, who are catastrophizing their future. who feel like i am paycheck to paycheck, i will never own a house. i will never be able to do things that my parents did because of where i am economically. and then, as you said, there's a lot of isolation still. there is a lot of young people using particularly tiktok, to connect with one another, to say i am struggling, and i'm suffering. there was this trend awhile back, and it continues on the site, but it's called core core, which is a funny name. but it's basically a mash-up of different viral videos and images, and a lot of time at core core is to give you a video that feels like something. and what it feels like often when these videos come up on your feet is this sort of nihilistic future. it's the way the young people are expressing themselves saying i don't feel like there's anything for me. i don't know what the next 30 years in this country are going to look like. i don't know if there's a place for me. and i don't even know if i can afford to live. there's also a thing that's like being alive in this economy, too expensive. people are feeling really down about where they are economically. and that's people on the younger end of the spectrum, i can't really speak for people who are not millennials urgency. >> the rest of us here. >> but i think that we have to redefine what we think of as good. to your point. because people still can't buy houses. young people, and not so young people have a hard time launching into the things that we used to think of as hallmarks of adulthood. certainly, in terms of lateral mobility in your career fields. there is a tableau of possibility for people who work 20, 30, 40 years ago. very different than what we have now. so, it's hard to -- >> i don't know, i don't know if that's true. look at unemployment. there is an enormous amount of jobs out there. there's an enormous amount of more training programs, more vocational programs out there than ever. but what we are doing is communicating so much negative energy, and that feeds on itself. >> when we look at the price of the average home, i'm just telling you, the personal version of this. my father was an electrician, my mother was a sometimes nurse. by the time i could afford the home that they raised me in, i had a ph. d. in tenure, and i had written two books. the idea of there being an accessible working class, even lower middle class entrée into stability, that's very different, for lots of reasons, we have a very different economy than what we have been. >> whether your democrat or republican in office, that's not gonna change either of those things. >> sure, but the thing we're talking about is the question of how excited people get the relative difference. less inflation is good, but let's be clear, less inflation doesn't mean that we are in a good place, all the sudden your future looks much rosier than it did a few months back. >> sure, in demand quality has driven politics for a few years. we start with bernie, we saw with trump. i think we look at this, i think it's very simple. you talk about young people, their covid was about a losing years of school, those really important years of school, and they're -- everything after that has been about uncertainty. we've not had anybody say to us things are going to be good coming up. even your saying it could go down. no one can get comfortable that maybe they can hang on, maybe something that is going to happen next year. as long as that's true, you're going to be freaking out. that's what i think. >> it's interesting, what kalhan just described is something that a lot of folks felt in the wake of the two -- financial crisis in 2000, 2009. things got really bad, it was a really innovative time. there is a lot of opportunity. i think to your point, there was a lot of creative destruction that came out of that period, and we had this huge economic boom. technology was accelerated massively, those sorts of jobs you are talking about, that people now have access to, has changed. i can even take you back to the turn of the century in 2000 after the. com implosion and we had a very long recession and the creative destruction there was amazing to. but to your point, evan, yes, the income gap, the income inequality gap keeps getting wider. every time that we have one of these big incidents, we've had now three, 2000, 2008, and what happened in 2020. really, when you talk about well, it doesn't matter who is in power, what i believe is that democrats really do care about a safety net, and they do care about bringing up our most vulnerable sorts of folks, and giving them the opportunity to have access right to these technologies or education. so to me, that's the big difference when i think of the two sides and the opportunities that exist. >> but if democrats don't do a better job in messaging, and getting people more excited, and feeling more secure about the economy, which they showed -- to the same point of donald trump saying, you are welcome, america, about the stock market, potentially democrats need to take a page from that, because if they don't find things to celebrate, they will not win elections. that social safety net that you are talking about won't be there, because they won't be an office. they are afraid to be braggers. you've got to run a victory lap if you want to be in the winning lane. all, right this team is not going anywhere. when we come back, gosh, we're going to talk about a guy who lives in the winners circle. elon musk. he cannot help himself, when the nightcap continues. >> our friday night cap is still here. you know, giving everything that happened this week, we must talk about elon musk. after his interview, when all of us were like, what is this person even saying? evan, i'm going to turn to a first. a lot of people say what are we giving him more attention, this is all he wants, he's just a guy who's running twitter, which is failing anyway. but he's not. elon musk is involved in so many businesses that impact to governments -- you've got spacex, you've got starlink, you've got tesla. in some ways, it's like he, personally, is too big to fail. >> the tunnels, everything else, my take is anyone who's ever seen a james bond movie should know that if you ever see and inscrutable egomaniac, with his own space program, who starts talking about conspiracies, you should pay attention to it. and so, i think that's the problem that elon musk has. this is really wild, what he's doing with his time. and the things that he is saying, that are so it'll informed, and racist, and cruel to people, this is a person, again, we talked about what would have been two other executives or other businesses. this is the kind of thing that has taken people down before. he just seems to walk around like i'm invincible. and the question sort of is how long will that be, and how long will people allow that to be true? >> why is it? is it just because tesla is such a supreme product and people love it? and he's made a ton of money for shareholders? why does elon musk have this teflon that donald trump does? there are these really powerful guys who play -- you know, turn themselves into victims all the time. i can't even imagine a time when in civilized society or in business, it was ever acceptable to say, go f yourself. >> it's interesting, he's the richest man in the world. like you guy said, he's actually the ceo and largest shareholder of some of the most important companies on the planet. i want to keep you on the bond villain thing. think about every dystopian sci-fi movie or novel that you've ever read, you know the guy pulling all the strings, mash that together with the bond villain. that's what you have. -- >> and doctor evil from austin powers. >> he's got a lot of crazy ideas. he doesn't like to ask for permission. he does apologize every once in a while. but i think andrew sorkin asked the most important question in that meandering one hour and 30 minutes or so, he said, does anyone have leverage over you? we think about this. tesla is a 700 billion dollar market cap company, that's where he has amassed most of his wealth. >> and he completely controls the board. >> he completely controls the board, but the second largest market for him and the most important market for him is china. he manufactures in china, he needs access to their consumers, he needs access to rare earth materials that go in the batteries that actually make these electric vehicles run. think about this. let's just say china invades taiwan. let's say taiwan wants starlink turned on over their country. and he chooses to do it or not do it. and based on president xi of china, that he just met in san francisco two weeks ago, says to him, we are shutting you down. we are shutting tesla down. you're not going to have access to our consumers. the irony of all of this is that he buys twitter for 44 billion because he says he's a free speech absolutist, but he actually cozies up to the most totalitarian regime on the planet. there are no u.s. digital media companies that are basically allowed, or platforms, i should say, in china, because of the fire wall. there's a lot of conflict of interest there. there's a lot of leverage that exists over him, whether you believe it or not, despite him being the most powerful, richest man in the world. to me, i just think it's fraught, with issues. we're going to see this come to a head, in the not so distant future. >> people can say twitter is doing down the tubes, but everyone at this table still uses it. >> i don't. >> you don't, not at all? >> i wrote something about leaving it when he brought donald trump back on. >> did you posted on twitter? >> i posted a goodbye, then i wrote on the new yorker about why i was leaving. my version of that is the same version at the cambridge analytical i stopped using facebook. i'll make exceptions for reporting. if there's something that comes up on twitter that -- or on x, that i need to report on, then i won't say okay, i can't click on this. but i don't post on it, i don't use it in any other kind of way. because i'm trying to actually make a point. and quite frankly, for us in journalism, we never grappled with the bargain that we made with elon musk over twitter, period. about what it could offer us, and the things we could get, personal branding, book deals, and so, on and so forth. then, on the other side, the dependency that when people were being having their account suspended for publishing things that elon musk didn't like, that should've been a clear call for most of us to get off the platform. >> but it wasn't, why? >> i think we have a conflict of interest. we haven't been willing to talk about. i think there are some people willing to talk about some good faith arguments to say i should stick with this platform to at least see where it goes, see whose hands it winds up in if he winds of not being able to handle his debt. i get that. but fundamentally, we had something at stake, and twitter could make us famous. it could make us popular. it could give us thanks. >> sure. >> and we didn't want to give it up. >> we're getting high off it every day. >> was their likes and retweets and everything else? >> still read it, every day. >> the only way twitter or any company can succeed in a public forum is by growing, and the only group you are going to grow with is the next generation. our young people still using? it >> barely. they are barely on it. when i talk to young people on tiktok, and i'm trying to connect with them through various platforms, they are on axe sometimes when they can't post certain links on other platforms, because x has been the wildest west, so that's the naughty zone. >> what you can't put on instant and tiktok, you can go dance over to the twitter? >> you can go right over to twitter and post it. so if there is things in that category that they want to engage with, that's when they go over to x. everything else, they're really on instead. >> is that what they're calling, it ex, i don't know? >> you would think, no, it's not that. >> do you use it? >> i still use. it like jelani, said, it's built whole careers, it's built whole platforms. it's given me a platform. i feel like when it comes to blue sky or threads, those are like really exciting when they first came out, but they haven't held to the attention the way that x has, and everyone always comes back to it. i wish i had a reason, a clear reason why those other platforms aren't sticking, i don't know if it's just the longevity of acts or twitter or just how long our history on their goes, but people are not ready to jump ship. i think maybe we all just need a mercy killing, so that we can be forced on to other platforms. >> all right -- >> it's not going well. -- >> no, it's not. >> advertisers are bailing on. it we want to say this business is a growing concern. >> this things over. it is not. everybody is sticking around, when we come back, the nightcap, revealing our very first and the peace, not just of the day, not just of the week, but ahead of 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[roar] untraditional tradition. turn ideas into i-did-its. sfx: [ding] ♪ >> the friday night cap is still with us, next week, time magazine is announcing their person of the year. but our question is who is your mvp of the year? i want this nightcap crew to go around the table and tell us. evan, you are first. first, are you growing your hair out? i've noticed it the entire show. >> it's raining here today in new york. >> i was going to say, your look as my mvp. >> i'm a little shag year. >> i like it. >> yes. >> i was once called a bear of a man. >> it's weird, i've been called that same thing. >> i actually believe that. >> okay, your mvp of the year. >> i was thinking about this, we're talking about time magazine, and their person of the year, i went back in 2006, they did this weird thing where they put a mirror on the cover of the magazine, you are the person of the year. people made fun of it, that was really stupid. looking back on this year, this has been a year where people regular people, voters, have really surprised everybody who is in charge, a ton of times. we talked about abortion, the way that's going would be really surprising to people. we talked about the rise in this protest movement around this war, that's been very surprising to people. we talked about a lot of other things that are going on. the elites and the people in charge seem very disconnected from the people -- >> the labor force in this country. the unionizing movement. >> the labor force, hugely surprising to people, how they're hubble -- i think that this is really a moment where the most interesting people in america right now are the people of america. i would say you are the person of the year. >> think about those small groups, that small group of women in ohio, who pulled together and what they did. >> all the places all over the country, it really is like, i've never seen this disconnected before. i think that really, the main thing about that is how these driving politics in a way that people don't really know what people want. i think that's really giving a lot of power to voters that they've never had before. >> europe. >> stephanie, every year, if it were up to me, the person of the year would be lady gaga. that's not who i think it would be. i think this year it will be taylor swift, who is everywhere, anywhere, the most powerful woman, i would say, in many sectors, not just pop music. i think she has more power over young people than some world leaders. whether that is getting ticketmaster -- rather, congress to have ticketmaster in a hearing, whether that is selling out stadiums tours around the world, whether that's having ten number one -- sorry, ten top singles in the hot 100. i think we are just going to continue to see her power grow. i want to say that it's been really exciting to see a woman who is being covered with such adoration. especially when you think about women and female popstar's were covered in the 90s and early 2000s. >> even the way she was in the early 2000. >> she dealt with her own misogyny and her own scrutiny for things that don't matter, that are just ridiculous. i hope she continues to grow with her power, that we as journalists continue to look at her in a fair and balanced way, because there's no one i could think of that is more powerful among the young people than her. i think she deserves to have fair and balanced scrutiny as the most powerful person. >> young people, you don't think dan nathan is a swiftie. i assure you. >> that was also my mvp of the year. yes it was. >> amazing. >> let me tell you why. you just spoke about this pessimism that is pervading a lot of thought, at least social among young people. i have two young people. an 18 and 20 year old, both daughters in my home. i look at the joy that she brings them. i look at each night as taylor is -- a new concert. she's doing the surprise songs. just the connectivity and the community that has been created. >> and she so smart. >> and the positive-ness around it, i think that's really important. to me, i noticed it in my own life. we went to chicago, i think she singlehandedly kept the u. s. out of recession this year. >> you had to chicago to see her? >> we went to chicago to see her. with my daughters. yes it was. listen, good for her. good for you. >> in her free time, she's registering people to vote. all, right who is your vote? >> taylor swift, you've got to say it. >> no, i'm going to be disappointed that i didn't have the same one as you did. i just have to shake it off. [laughter] >> give it to us. >> my person is not an actual person, but it's a facsimile of a person, in some circumstances. a. >> it's a force. >> it's a force. there's been no topic that has cut across so many different lines in journalism, where ultimately -- alternately intrigued and terrified. and every other single industry, in politics, this is the conversation that we have everywhere. it has the potential to have a huge impact, positive -- it has the potential to magnify some really negative developments that are going on. there is a portion of people that think that it will usher in the end of human existence on the planet, which doesn't seem to be likely. i think that's a little overstated. but even a kind of turbulence that happens at one company, at openai, winds up being news everywhere. >> i think you might actually be right. i think time magazine might choose a. but i did not. >> will a. i. right its own -- >> right its own article. >> that's not who i chose. i have to. the mvp of my heart is tommy devito, the new quarterback for the new york giants. because he proudly told the media this week he is living at home with his parents. and has no plans to move, why? because his mother makes his bed, does his laundry, and every time he walks in the door, she has chicken cutlets waiting for him. if that is not the most north jersey, italian american, hero, ever, i don't know what is. but my true mvp in my head, everywhere, has to be the one and only dolly parton, this year. last month, she released another album, rock star. it was filled with a who's who list of the biggest names in music, paul mccartney, elton john, lizzo, and she's not just a musician. we need to remind our audience, this woman funded covid research, she's given over 200 million books to children, she's got her own bald eagle sanctuary, and last week, just when my whole family was gutted watching the commanders go down, she performed at the halftime show for the dallas cowboys, dressed as a dallas cowboy cheerleader. she looked extraordinary in every way. she is extraordinary in every way. it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you are on, dolly parton is a national treasure, and we can all agree that we love dolly. jelani cobb, evan mcmorris-santoro, kalhan rosenblatt, dan nathan, thank you all for being here. i don't care if time magazine chooses her. i choose her forever. on that note, i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news. thanks for staying up late, i will see you at the end of monday. we planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more cash. you think those two have any idea? that they can sell their life insurance policy for cash? so they're basically sitting on a goldmine? i don't think they have a clue. that's crazy! well, not everyone knows coventry's helped thousands of people sell their policies for cash. even term policies. i can't believe they're just sitting up there! sitting on all this cash. if you own a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more, you can sell all or part of it to coventry. even a term policy. for cash, or a combination of cash and coverage, with no future premiums. someone needs to tell them, that they're sitting on a goldmine, and you have no idea! hey, guys! you're sitting on a goldmine! come on, guys! do you hear that? i don't hear anything anymore. find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. edm that had everyone talking. but the real story of the murder of maurizio gucci has more drama than any hollywood script. >> it's a star studded film maurizio gucci had been shot in broad daylight. with everyone talking, but the real story of the murder of a receipt gucci has more drama than any hollywoodip

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