co-defendants. and another confirmed sighting of danelo cavalcante. the convicted murderer who escaped prison last week, there have been nine confirmed sightings in the last nine days and yet the pennsylvania escapee is still on the run. 3,400 feet beneath the surface, an american is alive in a deep cave. we are learning when the rescue operation could get him out. this hour of "cnn this morning" starts right now. ♪ ♪ this morning we could see the full report from the fulton county special grand jury in georgia investigating the election subversion case there. the one that ultimately led to the indictment of former president trump and 18 co-defendants. we have been waiting for this for months. a reminder, this is different than the grand jury that returned the indictments last month. of this is the special grand jury that investigated efforts to overturn the 2020 election last year and recommended charges. grand jurors heard from over 75 witnesses over seven months. in february, nine pages of the report were released but not the charming recommendations because the judge wanted to protect people's due process rights. the foreperson of that jury certainly gave us a lot of information when she talked to our colleague. >> there are indictments recommended of course. is it more than 12 people? is it more than 20 people? >> i think if you look at the page numbers of the report, there is about six pages in the middle that got cut out. allow for spacing. it's not a short list. >> do id you recommend charges against donald trump? >> we definitely heard a lot about former president trump and we definitely discussed him a lot in room. and i will say that when this list comes out, you wouldn't -- there are no major plot twists waiting for you. >> so today we will learn how closely this report lines up with the indictments that were handed down last month and we will learn if special grand jurors wanted to indict more people. >> all that comes as trump tells a judge he may try to move his case into federal court, the same change his former chief of staff mark meadows is attempting now. and rudy giuliani now has about $1 million to put towards his roughly $5 million legal debt after a $100,000 a plate at bedminster overnight. sara murray, when it comes to what we may see from this special grand jury release, we got a teasener february. what are you expecting? th what's going to stand out to you? >> the teaser in if teb was limited. we have only seen a tiny portion of what they concluded. we didn't see any of the recommendations. we will be looking for who they thought should be indicted in this case and how closely that alliance with what fulton county district attorney fani willis decided to in indicting donald trump and 18 co-defendants. the one unanimous conclusion we know the special grand jury came to came out a couple of months ago in the excerpts the judge released. no widespread fraud took place in the georgia 2020 presidential election that could result in overturning the election. so they were pretty unequivocal about that. they also raised concerns that some witnesses had lied to them over the course of their investigation. we know one of those witnesses they believe to be bob cheeley, who is pro-trump attorney who pled not guilty and was charged with perjury. they said a majority of the grand jury believes that perjury may have been committed by one or more witnesses. the grand jury recommends that the district attorney seek appropriate indictments for such crimes where the evidence is compelling. that's the other thing we will be looking for. was it more than bob cheeley, where they believe they lied and should face charges as a result of it, phil. >> with the different kind of elements and threads flying around, i was struck by the district attorney's letter to house republican congressman jim jordan related to his attempts to investigate her, at least in terms of the tone. >> i know how much you love letters to congress. i am hard pressed to think of a letter that is more scathing than the one that fani willis wrote to jim jordan. there is an investigation essentially into her investigation. she dismissed this as a ploy and declined to give them any of the information they were seeking except for a breakdown of the federal funds that her office received for grants that she said were for things like violent crime, at-risk youth and domestic violence. here is a portion of what she said in her letter to jim jordan. your job description doesn't include criminal law enforcement nor supervising a specific criminal trial because you believe that doing so will promote your partisan political objectives. such vengeful uncalled for legislative action would impose serious harm on citizens we serve, including the fact that it will make them less safe. phil, she also included examples of the threats her office has been receiving, essentially told jim jordan if he wants to investigate something, they should look into the threats she and other prosecutors have faced for investigating the former president. >> great reporting. thank you. this morning rudy giuliani is still millions of dollars in debt after former president trump hosted a $100,000 per person fundraiser last night in his legal defense. giuliani is struggling to pay for the slew of fees and fines and sanctions and damages tied to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. kristin h kri kristen holmes is following all of this. >> a small dent. he was expected to raise over $1 million. as you noted, one source estimated giuliani's debt at $5 million. remember, there are still legal cases that he needs lawyers and will have mounting fees for. as we have reported, trump paid the legal bills through his leadership pac of a number of aides, advisors and employees, and not rudy giuliani. now, when i talked to advisors he pushed back on the notion that trump isn't helping giuliani. at one point the leadership pac paid $300,000 in giuliani's debts. they also point to the fact that he is hosting trump is hosting fundraisers, going to sponsor two fundraisers for rudy giuliani. but we heard from a lawyer last night for giuliani who said the former mayor needs every penny he can get. >> i assume they are trying to raise as much as possible and i think they will need it. i don't care how much money you have. you can't out spend the state. being named in an indictment and knowing the scale, scope, length of this trial, even the preliminary matters, is going to be extremely costly and the state has nearly unlimited funds. >> now, the matter of helping rudy giuliani has kind of split trump camp. you have people who say it is important to keep giuliani in the fold, keep their interests aligned, so trump should pay the legal builds. on the other side, just let the former mayor lose. trump has a very close relationship with rudy giuliani. they were eating lunch together this week. they were seen greatest supporters at bedminster. i am told he has not ruled out down the line paying some of rudy's fees, but it's not going to happen light now. >> thank you. a new sighting of a convicted murderer who escaped from pennsylvania prison a week ago, state police confirming that danelo cavalcante has been spotted nine times. one area where they are focusing their search is near a popular botanical garden three miles from the prison he escaped from. danny freeman has been covering this story every single accept of the way. nine times over nine days. what's the latest, danny? >> reporter: well, the latest, phil, there has been a flurry of police activity overnight and into this morning. we have seen a lot of troopers racing down these winding roads through the night. we know that that perimeter has expanded from longwood gardens, which is a few miles south of the prison, all the way up here. we are less than half a mile from the prison right now. it is expanding and this search is intensifying because pennsylvania state police told cnn that last night there was another sighting. now, we don't have a lot of details when that sighting may have occurred or specifically where, but i want to tell you what we do know at this time. a lot of this activity started around 6:00 last night. that's when we saw a lot of police troopers flying down roads, closing off other roads that, frankly, have been open this week. one trooper telling us as they ushered us away they received new intel. we learned that longwood gardens was going to be shut down. a spokesperson for the gardens telling us that guests were asked to leave and tenants were asked to shelter in place and it was, according to the gardens, because police were actively searching an area of interest within the gardens. like i said, phil, the search perimeter right now is much larger than just that area around the gardens and police at this point are still projecting optimism. take a look at what lieutenant bibbins said yesterday. >> i have every reason to believe he is still within that perimeter. we have had no sightings outside of that area. we have maintained a secure perimeter as we possibly could. >> reporter: so, phil, day nine of this manhunt, still active. some of the most police activity we have seen the past two weeks. >> thank you. we have this breaking news. the spanish national prosecutor has filed a complaint against the suspended president of spain's soccer federation, luis rubiales. this comes after rubiales kissed her after the women's world cup final on august 20th. he apologized, described the kiss as mutual, claa claim she vehemently denies. >> good morning. this is very much breaking news. it is another step on a journey when i has been going on since that incident on august 20th. but a potentially very significant one because it really paves the way for an official investigation to be launched for evidence to be gathered which could then lead to criminal charges. and really the crime that is being looking into has now officially been identified. as you mentioned, the statement from the spanish prosecutor's office says they are investigating crimes of sexual assault and coercion against jenni hermoso. we knew about ten, 12 days ago that they were going to speak to jenni hermoso to see if she wanted to make a statement or testify. we had the announcement on tuesday this week that she had, indeed, done that. the prosecutor said they were going to process that testimony as soon as possible. and this is where we are. we have had in this statement a little bit more information saying that jenni hermoso referred in her statement that both she and people close to her suffered constant and repeated pressure from luis rubiales and his professional environment. the prosecutor considers this harassment could constitute a crime of coercion. interestingly, perhaps, it adds that they are going to arequest information be collected from the australian authorities as well. of course, this incident taking place in australia at the women's world cup final. louis rubiales has been suspended by fifa. up to this point, defiant and refused to resign from his role as president of the spanish football federation. >> quite a development. thank you. when we come back we will hear from the american trapped in a cave. we have video of that in turkey. more than 3,000 feet deep. we will be joined by u.s. ambassador to turkey and former republican senator jeff blake on the latest in the rescue effort. >> as you can see, i'm up, i'm alert, i'm talking. but i am not healed on the inside yet. so i need a lot of help to get out of here. hers, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including mental alertness from one serving. to helelp keep me sharp. try new neuriva ultra. thinink bigger. 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>> i'm doing well. >> mark dickey from nearly 1,000 meters. i want to thank everyone down here and thank the response of the caving community. the quick response of the turkish government to get the medical supplies that i needed in my opinion saved my life. as you can sea, i'm up, i'm alert, i'm talking, but i am not healed on the inside yet. so i need a lot of help to get out of here. >> joining us now is the u.s. ambassador to turkey, jeff blake, also former u.s. senator. ambassador, great to have you. he sounds pretty good given the circumstances. what can you tell us about this operation as it starts, your hopes and expectations for it? >> he does look good. and you saw him there. thanking the turkish authorities for, as he said, saving his life, and it's not just turkish authorities, but the caving community around the world. i first learned of this on monday long before it was on the news from the hungarian ambassador to turkey because they had already sent some of their cavers to help him out before he would -- knew he would need such help. so it's just been phenomenal to see 170 people, at last count, six countries involved, the teams, 30 people in the cave on friday. they are giving him a lot of help. >> to that point, mr. ambassador, i think you are watching that video, you hear people around him, you talk about the people that have gone in, if so many are there and around and involved in this process, why can't they get him out now? >> you know, it takes a healthy person, about 16 hours from where he is, to climb out. and they believe that they'll have to at least for a portion of that, this time, bring him out on a stretcher or in some type of carrying device, ropes. and there are very small spaces. it's difficult when you are having to have assistance to get out. it could cake,take, a week, lon than four days, if he has to use a stretcher most of that time. so they want to make sure he is as healthy as he can be so that he can, you know, at his own assistance move more quickly. >> have you been in touch with his family? >> yes. our consular services has, yes. >> what are they saying? >> well, obviously, they are grateful for help that he is receiving, obviously, from the caving community and the turkish government. they are, obviously, hopeful that he'll get out just fine. >> okay. >> mr. ambassador, this isn't the sole thing you have going on. you are at a critical country and nato ally as well whose president just had a meeting with president putin. there is an ongoing war in crane, there is a grain deal. will there be an outcome that brings the grain deal back in place anytime soon? >> we hope so. turkey is working very hard at it. the fact that we had a grain deal before owes to turkey's negotiation on this. but let's, you know, not kid ourselves. russia has done this. they invaded the country. they are punishing not just ukrainians, but people around the world by not allowing ukrainian grain to get out. but we're hopeful that another deal with be reached. but if it can't, we are, obviously, looking for alternatives to move more grain the swedish foreign minister said sweden is ready to join nato, they are waiting for this ratification process. do you expect this to happen then, because there has been a question mark if this would happen if and when. >> we do. the promise was given in july that sweden would be moved through the parliament. the parliament reconvenes october 1st, and we expect it to happen. so we are really pleased at this. it will strengthen nato considerably, and so we are hopeful it happens as quickly as possible after ever october 1. >> we coo talk about the state of the government, the state of washington, the state of where things were headed. yesterday there was a statement released by the presidential library and 12 other presidential foundations basically reiterating the support for democracy, which you would think would be a common baseline. americans have strong interest in supporting democratic movements and respect for human rights around the world because free societies contribute to our own security and prosperity at home but that interest is undermined when others see our own house in disarray. in your current role as ambassador, what do you hear? does it make your job more difficult when you look back at what's happening domestically? >> well, one of the nice things about being an ambassador is to be 7,000 miles away from u.s. politics. there is an old saying that politics stops at the water's edge. that's not completely true, but it largely is. but it is important because the rest of the world looks at us, looks at america for being the model of democracy. and so i hope that we can have -- we have elections coming forward. confident that we will. but it matters around the world because we are looked up to, and rightly so. >> all right. u.s. ambassador to turkey, jeff flake. thank you, sir. >> thank you. growing calls from airline unions for more regulations on cabin temperatures after passengers and flight attendants have increasingly had to wait on planes in the blistering heat with no air-conditioning. a cnn report ahead. .. with features like dssv dampers, mt t tires and an off-road performance display. ♪ when the going gets tough, it's a family you can count on. ♪ introducing the silverado, colorado and silverado hd zr2 family of trucks. i need it cool at night. you trying to ice me out of the bed? 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>> yeah. the church was definitely implicated in this court case as it was playing out. cnn reached back out the churning of scientology to see if they had anything to say now that he has been sentenced. they sent out the same statement when he was originally found guilty, and in that they say, in part, there is not a scintilla of evidence supporting the scandalous allegations that the church harassed the accusers. every instance of supposed harassment is false and has been debunked. phil. >> all right. thank you. growing calls from airline unions for more regulations on cabin temperatures after passengers and flight attendants have had to wait on planes for a long time in this blistering heat with no air-conditioning. >> like she was about to pass out. they put on oxygen mask on her. people had thrown up. people had fainted. >> extremely apologize. i have been on here as long as you guys have been on here. i don't feel my best at this point either. >> elderly people. we had babies. we had pregnant women. not even water. we were trapped on that plane for seven hours. >> this picture was taken by a worker on a jet bridge in phoenix. you see that registers 113.5 degrees fahrenheit. one airport worker who cleans the aircraft after passengers deplaned say sometimes the power is turned off before her work begins. she also said she isn't allowed to bring her own water on the plane. >> i often tfeel like i am goin to faint. i caught myself dipping in and out of consciousness. sometimes i drink water left over from the passengers. it's grueling work and we often have so many airplanes scheduled to clean. >> wow. cnn correspondent pete muntean joins us now. one real to hear all of that. >> yeah, and it's airline agnostic. planes baking in the hot sun is huge problem. you saw that. the incidents this summer in places lying vegas and phoenix and dallas. hot places. also, as we go through this big heatwave, this is really moving east and north to atlanta. we have seen incidents in newark. generally, the policy from airlines is when the temperature onboard the plane is above 80 degrees inside the passenger cabin, flight crews close the shades, open the vents to rye troo to keep it cool. the ceo of american airlines said fright crews have to use those practices more often and longer throughout the year. the problem is the worst when just sitting on the ground waiting for a gate or having pushback from the gate waiting to depart, a tarmac delay. the situation is pie lits sometimes have to turn off the ac to save fuel and flight attendants have been complaining about this for years. in fact, since 2018, they have gathered more than 4,000 extreme temperature reports. this is where it gets really interesting. the rules are murky. the department of transportation says that the temperature onboard the plane has to be comfortable during a tarmac delay. there is no real federal limit here. and so now this is getting really interesting because congress could make this into a harder regulation. the faa's fate determined by congress right now. the house, faa reauthorization bill would order the faa to review existing standards on air temperatures in places like passenger cabins. so we could finally see a federal standard for temperatures inside planes. something flight attendants really want. this has passed the house. stalled out in the senate. >> thank you, pete, for explaining this and bringing to the fore. coco gauff headed to her first u.s. open final. protesters did delay her victory. she still won. trying vapes to quit smoking might feel like progress, but with 3x more nicotine than a pack of cigarettes - vapes increase cravings - trapping you in an endless craving loop. nicorette reduces cravings until they're gone for good. david: as we start a new school year, there's something new happening in california's public schools. they're called community schools. leslie: it really is shared leadership with families, students, educators, and communities. jessie: i feel like we're really valued as partners. david: it's a more innovative, holistic approach. grant: in addition to academic services, we look at serving the whole family. narrator: wellness centers, food pantries, and parental education. jessie: they're already making a difference. david: california's community schools: reimagining public education. 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[ cheers and applause ] >> that's coco gauff. she is headed to her first u.s. open final. she lit up new york. she beat the number ten seed, 6-4, 7-5 last night in the semifinals. the match was delayed for 15 minutes in the second set when four environmental protesters interrupted wearing shirts that said end fossil fuels. three were removed. the fourth, he glued his mfeet o the concrete floor. >> i speak about preaching, you know, preaching about what you feel and what you believe in. and it was done in a peaceful way. so i can't get too mad at it. obviously, i don't want it to happen when i'm up 6-4, 1-0. i wanted the momentum to keep going. if that's what they felt they needed to do to get their voices heard, i can't really get upset than it. >> clearly more mature than me. also more mature than me, carrie, the electricity in tcit of new york and around the country, you watch the court and listen to her after these matches, it's extraordinary. what's your sense of this? >> well, i am in agreement. she is far normature than myself. at 19 years old, she has experienced so much. i want to say this about her in particular. there has been this tremendous amount of pressure on her since she had a wonderful debut at 15 years old and we watched her career and going into this particular u.s. open, people said, look, it's your time. are we're waiting for the next one, and that is, you know, serena retired, passed the baton. she understood the pressure and the assignment. in her first u.s. open final here. >> the fact that it's the first youngest, right, we have seen since serena, that was 1999. it's pretty extraordinary how she has taken that pressure, but also i think it's important to remember how far this sport has come and still has to go since serena was such a first, right? >> there is so much more that needs to happen in american enitis, more specifically for the women. but what i am excited about in this particular instance, and coco's instance, she always said she would not be playing tennis if it weren't for serena and venus. she looked up to them. she was clear she wanted to be world number one. the more she gets on big stages and talks about who she is and where she comes from, she is opening doors for everyone to ewhy it's so important to let these women have their moment. they celebrated billie jean king there. there is so much more to do in terms of what we thet paid, how they are treated. they are late, but making progress. and i think this -- i want to say this one thing. this final, this women's final is what american tennis needed. i know that people hadn't paid attention because we usually look for the big names and they don't necessarily belong to us. this was such a moment of pride for american tennis. more specifically, for the women in american tennis. we need this. >> speaking of one of them, there is a college player, and i i don't want to get too down into the weeds. i love talking about name, image, likeness and how absurd college rules are with athletes. should have earned $81,000. could not accept that money. she was in the u.s. open. could not accept that money because she is still a collegiate athlete, tech any an amateur. i am sorry. with name, image, likeness, i have seen the cars that college football players are driving around right now. what is going on here? >> well, good for her for speaking out, first of all. she said that isn't fair. i forfeited $81,000. people at my school make millions of dollars. because of some random rule that the ncaa came up with, i am not allowed to benefit. we have watched this in real time, which is why i am so excited. the ncaa has archaic rules that don't apply to them, but only to other people, and now that the players and these student-athletes, rather, are allowed to have the opportunity to speak up and say we deserve more, i have a feeling you will see more players in the ancillary sports, more student-athletes in sports like tennis and gymnastics make more deals. they are only giving it to basketball players now and a lot of football players. there could be gymnasts here and from. she is saying i should be allowed to take this money the way the other student-athletes are taking money. i think it's ridiculous. they haven't even addressed this yet because this is happening in real time where a student has spoke up and said, it's unfair. with n.i.l., this is unfair. so good for her. guess what? now they have to pay attention. good for her. >> exactly. she is going to get deals from this, n.i.l. deals from this. the rules still existing in the n.i.l. era, i am supportive of college athletes getting what they earned, bonkers to me. absolutely insane. cari champion, always a pleasure, thank you so much. >> good to see you guys. have a wonderful day. >> we love ya. thank you. all right. here in the u.s., nearly 1.# million kids have a parent who is incarcerated. this week cnn heroes knows firsthand what they are going through and is dedicated to making their lives a little bit better. meet yazmin arrington. >> what we're ultimately doing is ensuring that young people who have incarcerated parents are overcoming systemic barriers, and also changing the trajectory of not only their lives, but their families' lives and breaking the stereotypes and the stigma around having an incarcerated parent. >> ready for graduation. >> yeah. i am so excited! >> what keeps me going, it's that proud mama effect to see our scholars just achieve and accomplish and over time gain a sense of healthy confidence. just a little bit of support can go a very, very long way. it really is a snowball effect. >> how wonderful is that? 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>> k through 12 parents satisfied with education, look at this, 76%. much higher. much higher. and that matches the average of 76%. you know what this reminds me of? reminds me of this old thing that we always get. 2022 voters approving of congress overall 31%. their own house member 56%. people don't like nationally what's going on. but their own kids and districts, they like it just fine. >> an interesting carryover. harry enten, thank you. all right, federal student loan payments are going to resume in a few weeks after a years-long pause on those repayments in the pandemic. education department says more than 4 million people have enrolled in a new income-based repayment plan rolled out by the biden administration called save. some borrowers will have their payments k out in half and remaining payments canceled. borrowers who make more would save more than $1,000 a year compared to other income-based plans. their interest would not pile up as long as they continue to make those monthly payments. education secretary miguel cardona joins us live this morning. mr. secretary, thank you very much. i want to begin with the fact that, yes, you have 4 million people who signed up. it's also expensive, the nonpartisan budget model says it's going to cost $475 million >> thank you for having me. first of all, i just thought those numbers right before this were interesting. we have one party that's division in education and one that's trying to raise the bar in education and make higher education more affordable and more accessible. let me contextualize this. over the last two years the deficit has been reduced by this president by $2 trillion. in order to get our economy going we need to open access to higher education. over 70% of the jobs in the future will require either a two or four-year degree. we're opening the doors to higher education to so many more people and reducing defaults in the process. >> i do appreciate that but who is paying for that cost? >> as i said before, the deficit reduction is creating space for policies that open the door to access. but let me shift a bit to the students -- >> i want to hear -- big issue i want to hear about that, but i also just want to level with the american people. that cost is federal government pays for it, taxpayers? >> it's part of the president's plan which also includes deficit reduction. you can't discuss what the costs are without talking about how the deficit has been reduced and what we're hearing from the american people who are drowning in debt and can't buy a home and the economy because of college costs. >> i totally understand that, i also note that the federal budget deficit is now expected to balloon to $2 trillion for the fiscal year of 2023. one of the points that republicans who oppose this make and you've got 17 republican senators who have introduced legislation to try to block it, they call it a massive loan forgiveness scheme that is what senator bill cassidy wrote calling it politically motivated. what do you say to americans who disagree with this and say we shouldn't be on the hook for this? >> well, i think, you knew, those who are vehemently opposed to it have not spoken to their constituents who are drowning, who need support, who need to make higher education more accessible. look, i welcome the collaboration of our colleagues on the hill from the republican side to make sure we are coming together with a plan that makes higher education more affordable, prevents the billions of defaults that we're seeing every year. we have introduced a safe plan which is the best income driven payment plan in our country's history to make sure that people can afford to pay their bills and continue with education. >> i think you make a good point about the root cause of this. that's what has the "wall street journal" board concerned. they write borrowers would have an incentive to take out more debt and colleges would raise tuition. this does not propose anything that would mitigate the debt ratchet. this doesn't get to the root of the problem. >> that's one component of it. i wish and i welcome cnn's analysis of what is happening to the students that are benefitting from it. those who are now thinking about college as an opportunity for them where before that door was closed. it's one thing to say, you know, it's going to balloon costs. we're also holding colleges more accountable than ever before in our country's history. if you look at some of the regulations we've put about gainful employment and we're going after those colleges that provide a very poor return on investment. the whole package is making higher education more accessible. part two, i think they are not as popular but will make a difference. >> the other efrd by the biden administration after the first big effort to forgive student loans that got struck down by the supreme court is by utilizing a 1965 higher education act but that's already being challenged in the court. 16 million americans were banking on what the supreme court rejected. did the biden administration promise the american people too much on loan forgiveness that you just can't fulfill? >> we get the supreme court got it wrong and 20 million borrowers today would have had their loans for given had the supreme court sided with what we believe to be the right course of action. but we are not going to give up fighting for the american people. no, we haven't promised -- we've provided over $117 billion in debt relief to allow folks to get back on their feet. we've fixed the public service phone forgiveness program, veterans, teachers, have had their loans forgiveness after ten years of service. in this country, we lead the world, we better open up the doors to higher education for more people. >> there needs to be a level playing field for sure for people to be able to achieve. i'm interested finally, mr. secretary, on your take on all of these republican attacks on what you lead on the department of education. let's play some of them for folks. >> the decline in education is one of the major reasons why our country is in decline. we need education in this country not indoctrination this this country. >> we're going to close the federal department of education in this done clee. >> let's shut down the head of the snake the department of education. take that $80 billion put it in the hands of parents across this country. >> i would get rid of the department of education. >> the department of education very much exists, you run it. i want to give you a chance to respond to all of those attacks. >> yeah, thank you for that. and i think that contributes to why the numbers are so low with the republican party. we have a party that's bent on creating division so that they could privatize schools. we have a plan, the raise the bar plan. if you listen later on in that debate they talk about literacy, they talk about mental health and college and career pathways which is what our plan is about. i know they struggle in the polls and are trying to get their numbers up and get a national profile. while they're focusing on that we're focusing on students in the biden administration. >> you're meeting with great students and teachers and educators in the state of minnesota. have a great time. secretary cardona, we appreciate it very much. >> take care. before we go -- >> big day. >> big day for phil mattingly. >> it is my daughter brooke's fourth birthday. i promise we are not going to do this constantly. i know i have a lot of children. this is a big day. brooke is four. that's us this summer. she crushes merry-go-rounds, also totally runs our household and her brothers and younger sister will acknowledge that. i'm so very proud of her and excited to celebrate with her when i get home in a short while. >> what did the boys do for her? >> they woke her up, sang happy birthday to her. >> with doughnuts. i saw doughnuts thanks to mom. >> they've got a great mom. i'm here, too. >> all thanks to mom. >> happy birthday, brooke. 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