americans dominating the competition. the bees first indian american champion who now leads an organization dedicated to getting students in that community to the top of that contest is with us. >> like if word of that all right. have a great show, victor. >> thank you very much. let's start right now well, first of all, you can cannot credibly campaign on law and order and claim the justice system is rigged because you don't agree with the jury's verdict. >> but ahead of his felony sentencing on july 11, former president donald trump is doing just that if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone these are bad people these are in many cases, i believe sick people where trump and his supporters wrongfully see persecution here. >> other see accountability. >> but my first guest today sees karma. >> raymond santana, along with korey wise and try and mccrae kevin richardson, and yusef salaam were teenagers when they were charged, tried, and convicted, or beating and raping a woman in central park in 1989 donald trump paid for a full page ads in new york city newspapers. he called for the death penalty to be reinstated in new york. trump wanted these boys killed in 2000 to a convicted rapists and murderers confessed to the central park rape. and the central park five became the exonerated five. but trump has never acknowledged their innocence or apologized a raymond santana, one of the exonerated five is with me now, ramy. good morning to you and thank you for spending a couple of minutes with me. we've now had about 36 hours since the verdicts were red what now is your reaction after you've had some time to think about it? >> first off, good morning victor. thank you for having me you know, for me, it was about comma. it was the example of this is what happens when rich billionaires, who stand on white privilege now have to answer, right? so it becomes a surreal moment. it also becomes a a moment where you just got to take it in, right? this is the stuff that we had to deal with of 1989, go to trial, hearing the conviction right. even a guilty verdict. and then now having to sit there and wait for sentencing i understand that process. all too well i think now it's like you get to see a person of donald trump's stature, right? who was a former president and now you get to see that he's not above the law, that he can be touched. right? that he can have this experience that very similar to mind it becomes it becomes a moment that is a surreal moment it's a full circle moment for me as soon as i posted on my social media that you were going to be joining me this morning there were more than a few people who said, well, they need to now take out the ad. it's time for the exonerated five to pay for these full page ads. i'm sure you got the same thing. what do you tell people who say turn it on him and you take out the yeah, 100%, you know, i mean, these ads, this was the $85,000 page ad i was calling to reinstate the death penalty for 14 and 15-year-old kids. >> i think for me it's tasteless to call for the death penalty for donald trump and then also these people wanted to take out these ads and his newspapers and these were the same newspapers and 1989 who wrote the most outrageous headlines to sell papers. so they will also decide in a contributing factor to i will conviction. so why would i go and spend promotional dallas. dallas to put an ad with the same newspapers we will call it also for us to be to be guilty do you have thoughts on sentencing? >> if you had your druthers, what the punishment would be for donald trump i mean, a perfect world, but loved the seat down trunk, go to prison. >> but i have to be realistic, right? this is his first felony, even though is 34 counts so we know that there's a range when it comes to sentencing. we do understand that portion for me. the only thing that i think about now is that not at donald trump had experienced the criminal justice system. now that he has dealt with prosecutors, dealt with the court system itself said that is rigged acts for vineyard you change, right. said that there's no respect he called it he caught he said it was a rig decision. and so now that he has gone through this experience and he has experienced the criminal justice system. and its toll is almost totality i want to ask them, do you think that we're still guilty? >> wow. all right. youtube that the criminal justice system is a correct. >> that's an interesting point because there are some people i've had black republicans on this show who've told me that because of their experience is black and brown peoples experiences with the criminal justice system. and when trump says it's rigged, that his rhetoric in dears him to them, that they sympathize or empathize with him. what would you tell the black and brown voters who are more likely to vote for him simply because he says the system's rigged against me. it's rigged against you. and now we have some relationship because of that and tries to get their vote through his lies about the president setting this up for his political take-down. >> well, i mean, at the end of the day, he hasn't really talked about criminal justice reform now that he has experienced it, you don't have come out in the nauta criminal justice system has had he said, alright, by getting offers, i'm going to change the system. he has he has doubled down on other policies to reinforce the system. you know, he's talking about giving police officers the immunity. >> immunity means that technical issue there. unfortunately, with raymond santana, one of the exonerated five reacting to the conviction of a former president trump. my thanks to raymond santana for being with me this morning all right. now, president biden mentioned the exonerated five in a speech this week. he's warning black voters about what he calls donald trump's racist and toxic agenda. watch this what would happen if black americans a storm the capitol i don't think he'd be talking about pardons this thank guy wanted to tear gas, you as you peacefully protest at george floyd's murder. the same guy who still calls the central park five guilty, even though they're exonerated he's that landlord or denies housing application because of the color your skin he's, that guy who won't say black lives matter and evokes nail nazi third reich terms well, that speech was the launch of black voters for biden harris, the big kickoff was in a state that he's returned to again and again since he took office pennsylvania and joining me now is pennsylvania state representative malcolm kenyatta. he is a member of the biden harris campaigns national advisory board representative. good to see you again. before we get into pennsylvania tuple black voters, let me start here and we'll pick up a little bit because i've got some more time left. unfortunately, the last name interview ended unexpectedly how much should the campaign invoke this criminal conviction, this felony status or felon status for donald trump, do you think that should be central to the message that the president takes to voters for the next several months listen ultimately what we saw in that trial with something that's very important for every single american to see the justice system working for a long time. >> i heard people sort of opine. there was no way that our system can handle i'm doing what democracies around the world have done. and that's hold everybody accountable, even former nationwide leaders, we've seen it across the world and tragically, now we've seen it here in the united states. it's, it's not great to have a person running for president is it a who has been convicted of 34 felonies by a jury of their peers, but ultimately, this election is going to be about people looking around. their living room at the people they love best in the world, and answering a very serious question about who they think cares about them and has the capacity to advance a real agenda that makes their lives better. and so i think the answer to that clearly, plainly is joe biden, the president is going to go out and make that case every single day but certainly these 34 felony convictions are a piece of the puzzle that people are going to have to use to make a decision. but this is going to be decided at the ballot box not in the courtroom. >> let's talk about the commonwealth of pennsylvania. now, you've called it the center of the political universe it's a lot harder for a democrat to win the white house without it is that, that element of the blue wall, the president and has been there 39 times since taking office. in 2021 but it's still very tight. what is he getting out of this? it was tightened 2016, tight, twice typed in 2020, but what is the challenge that the president is having that? are these visits paying off, that it's still so close compared to the times of donald trump has been there far fewer well, listen, i look forward to the president's 40 visit back to back to his home. and so we love, we love having the president here. and i think a part of the reason pennsylvania is not just important place to visit, but an important backdrop is because pennsylvania really does look like this country he looked geographically, racially and you see america represented right here in pennsylvania. and also pennsylvania. i always say this, we have a special responsibility to protect, preserve, and expand this fundamental experiment in democracy. the president understands that. and what he did the other day is gonna be a big part of the strategy the president during his speech went through a list of things that donald trump has lied about, really trying to take credit for the president's record. and so i think there's a lot of mythbusting that needs to be done and is going to continue to be done by the president by me and by many others who are going to go out and tell this president's record, wish joe biden, that actually got the largest investment and infrastructure that we've ever seen. donald trump talked about it, talk about it, but joe biden got it done. joe biden, lower in the cost of prescription drugs taken on a big pharmaceutical companies winning josiah, actually putting checks and the people hands, slides and tried to take credit to take to voters. let me ask you about this though. this disparity in the reaction from black voters in the latest new york times sienna college poll, in which president biden, if they had to vote on the de in which they were asked, black voters 50% would vote for president biden, but the democratic senator bob casey, there is it 72%? why is president biden performance so much worse than the other statewide democrat on the ballot. 12th, 22 points behind let's, let me tell you this i am a young black man from north philadelphia who also happens to be running statewide here in pennsylvania, i spent a lot of time going around this commonwealth to every single corner and pocket. >> and i'm telling you this vector here today. joe biden is going to win pennsylvania and he's going to win black voters overwhelmingly. but joe biden is doing something that me and folks you've interviewed for years have asked politicians to do don't take anybody for granted, don't take black voters for granted, don't start talking to black voters in october. it assuming that they're going to come out in support you, you have to make a case and that's what this president is doing. he's not saying to anybody who you voted for me four years ago. of course, you're voting for me four years later. i don't need to talk to you know? he's talking to every single voter including black voters, about the stakes of this election, about his vision for the future, and about his capacity to actually get things done. donald trump beyond anything else. >> he does not have the capacity to be president. >> he doesn't know what's going on. he doesn't understand the issues, but more than anything else, he doesn't have a heart for people. donald trump only cares about himself. and i think when folks make that call, they're going to ask who cares about me? the answers? joe biden, here are your mountain kenyatta. thank you so much for being with me there's update in the so-called goon squad case and mississippi, those are the deputies convicted of torturing two black men near jackson, a secret group chat with photos of corpses and jokes about rape. ahead, one of the journalists who uncovered that group chat, which includes officers still on the job, plus, you'll hear from a man who spent 12 years in prison before it was revealed that the key testimony leading to his country eviction came from an eyewitness who was legally blind. the action is now taken to get justice june 19th, cnn celebrate juneteenth, with special performance by john legend, eddie lewbel smokey robinson everyone celebrated juneteenth celebrating freedom and legacy. >> wednesday, june 19 at ten on cnn. >> i have relapsing 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deputies and an officer were charged for brutally torturing and abusing two black men near jackson but more than two dozen other people told the papers something similar happened to them the report is found conversations that went back years and some of the deputies in the chat are still in the department joining me now is brian howard. >> he's a local investigations fellow with the new york times and investigative reporter at mississippi today. and the mississippi center for investigative reporting. brian, good morning. do you think thank you for this work you're doing and for speaking with me first, the department of justice found that the abuse and the attacks on michael jenkins and eddie parker were planned in a group chat. have they found evidence that what they discuss in these group chats actually happened at there really are other victims tell us it's about your reporting thanks so much for having me, victor the contents of the group chat have not been connected to any real-world events that we're aware of save for the michael jenkins and eddie parker and so we're not entirely clear whether the whatsapp chat that was used to plan the michael jenkins and eddie parker incident was the same as the one that we've unveiled this week. >> what we do know though, is that the content of the chat, the jokes that deputies were making? bear striking similarities to what we uncovered over the past two decades here in rankin county deputies joking about tasing people in the face and genitals joking about kidnapping people. they didn't like joking about making a game out of shooting people or handcuffing people beating them up. these mirror are the allocations that we discovered from the accounts of at least 22 people over the course of 18 years here in rankin county let me show one example of an exchange you found where they're talking about turning the job into a game where one asks how many points is a shootout? >> another says depends if they die or not. one more times, then they'll die another, they die, and then hahaha at the end. do we know if there is a possibility of consequences for people other than the officer and the deputies who are already responsible, being held responsible for the attacks on michael jenkins and eddie parker what's the sheriff's office saying about that well we know that the department of justice is continuing its investigation into the rankin county sheriff's department. >> they recently held a town hall asking for local residents to come forward with information about incidents involving deputies at the department in terms of the sheriff's office? after we brought the results of our most recent investigation to them, they released a statement saying that the sheriff's office have conducted a review of its deputies are review that they say is ongoing and had found that the actions of their current employees are and will remain proper as they serve the citizens of rankin county now, i want to put this in context. this statement is coming out after we've told them that one of their current deputies engaged in jokes about kidnapping someone after another one of their current diabetes was shown to have shown a picture of a rotting corpse in a let's channel. and after one of their current deputies, who is now a lieutenant in the department joked about a video which appears to show a deputy defecating on the fed of someone they've recently arrested what is because you're in mississippi, what is the mood? what is the feeling amongst the people who are supposed to be served and protected by this department? >> oh, we've seen are repeated calls by residents sense of rankin county for sheriff bryan bailey to resign so far, sharon bailey has said he has no plans to resign, but there have been numerous protests both outside of the sheriff's department and outside of the courthouse. there have been town halls discussions amongst members of the community basically calling for bryan bailey to step down. the feeling here is that either chair bailey knew about what was happening at the department or if you didn't know, it points to his competence as a leader. this is what members of the community have said. and so there, there is this blanket of distrust in rankin county over the sheriff's department ryan, how are we thank you again for the reporting and thank you for your time. >> i will say the department at least a statement that said not the department nor sheriff bryan bailey knew of the existence of a shift of officers who called themselves the goon squad until a bill of information was filed in federal court. again, i thank the team, but mississippi today and the new york times a manager cargo was convicted of murder based on the testimony of an eyewitness who was legally blind now the recently exonerated former inmate is suing the city and its police department our but that's next russia were trying to spy on us. >> we were spying on them i'm just adding friday this is a 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that testimony, how could this have happened? and did chicago pd know this at the time? >> well, that is the question four, in the civil lawsuit, right? it's hard to believe that they wouldn't have no net. we have talked to people who said everyone knew. we've talked to the blind eyewitness who said that he had to use a special apparatus in order to see anything to look at lineup photos, anything like that for him to have been able to identify darien? it's i mean, it's impossible. he wouldn't have been able to even look at a live lineup given his vision without someone telling him who to pick out based on his hi records, based on our experts report, that she did and there's another eyewitness who was a gas station attendant. he saw the whole crime and he said that the police tried to make him pick out darien, that they showed him a picture of dairy and and said this is who you need to pick out. and he said that's not who did it. i saw the perpetrator. it is not that person and he wouldn't pick out darien. so the kind of easy assumption is that they probably did the same thing when the blind eyewitness so i just wanted to tell you watching or listening at home. >> we had dairy and booked for today. we're having a tech technological issue trying to get them on if we get that solved till join this conversation. but until then lauren if you say that there was another witness who says that the detectives wanted them to identify darien why why him specifically were they trying to just choose someone? or him specifically i think it was just trying to choose someone in close the case because the darien had no prior record. >> he had never been arrested before, ever he was just over 18, who's about to graduate high school? he was had an offer at georgia state. he was going to go to college. he had this bright future ahead of him. so there's no reason that they would have focused on him as some, you know, some kind of gang member or someone they knew to be doing bad things. what happened based on the records is that allegedly someone called the victims brother and said the perpetrators in this youtube rap video and darien was in that video. but so was the actual shooter who we now know is the actual shooter? so i think it became a case of mistaken identity. >> virion is with us now therein thank you for his for working through the technical issue. when you found out that this eyewitness that they relied so heavily on was legally blind and you spent 12 years in prison for that. what went through your mine when you heard and learn that well, when i heard that he was legally blind, i was just shocked because i'm like now i went to this extent to just put me in jail for no reason. >> and it's like i've just spent all my time in jail for no reason and it said that we got to go to this as black man in america when you think back over 12 of the 76 years that you were sentenced and you spent 12 in there. and what you lost what goes through your mind when you think about how much time was just lost for for this wrongful conviction really just sad because there's like coming out of jail there's a pardon me that i'm know i can never get back mentally in emotion because like being in jail, we go to so much. it'd be put to so much the way we get treated, the way they beat us, the way they feel is way, they like pull us to the side and they put you in the wrong off camera and beach you spray with maize break balls in your body that we in see at 24 hours a day, seven days a week. we don't have no phone, well, i know male will have nothing like you've been taken away from the free world and for a long period of time, so eventually you make you feel hopeless and life we have nothing to live for because to be living felt like death is bevan and living we should not add conditioner. we end is worse well, darien harris i am i'm glad you were out and that this is after 12 years, unfortunately, you spent their the man who police now believe did this 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with global black pride and melissa scott and organizer or black pride weekend in atlanta good to have both of you. i think there are a lot of people who and i'm surprised every year here who are hearing for the first time that there is black bride, that there are primes that are different than the one that most people see in june. michael, let me start with you because last saturday was george floyd the fourth year since he was murdered. and i know that in june of 2020, while the world was going through this racial reckoning, global black pride was founded. i wonder how that informed the founding of global black pride and the racial reckoning that needs to happen within our own community thanks, victor, thanks for having me justify just saying global black pride is growing for a few reasons. >> first, big part play as they importance of intersectionality within the lgbtqi plus community. black lgbtq folks face unique challenges that need attention. i event gives them bass discuss these issues and feel a sense of belonging around the world. victor lgbtqi individuals face significant challenges in shrubs their rights and freedom in some countries. and to get a lot of particularly ash, for instance, you can that it has been one year since the enactment of a law that criminalizes sensors relationship imposing severe per night is unfortunate climate of fear and discrimination or pertinently, you can that is not alone. countries such as nigeria, saudi arabia, and even jamaica also our signal anti-gay laws that endanger the lives and well-being of lgbtqi people. so global black press was liquid to provide a space and a voice for people around the world who cannot sleep because again, we all know free onto we are all completely free around the world most are some organizations are creator at least borne out of the exclusion from others or the marginalization and others from hbcus to fraternities, how much of that, if at all is the impetus the catalyst for black pride here in atlanta? it's people of color have different needs, different financial needs different educational needs, to different health needs. >> so i mean, it's extremely important that we shall focus and it's exclusive. >> but it's important to show the separation and to also cater to a specifically you know, i don't want people to feel like as we talk about some of the divisions and some of the splits within the lgbtq community that it is just personal prejudices. you mentioned the health challenges and i want to read this. i learned from the cdc according to the cdc, this is 2021 black americans 13 and older were 12% of the us population, but accounted for 40% of people with hiv black men who have sex with men represented 2% of the population. but 70% of the new hiv cases and black women the new hiv infections that year, ten times that of white women, four times that of latinas those again, domestic numbers that has the shape the programs, the events that might be different from the larger problem, right? >> i mean, so that those statistics alone tell you exactly why there needs to be a black pride versus a pride. i mean, you know, it it's unfortunate. a lot of corporations they fund pride, right? and so they feel like we fund the pride. so when we go in as people of color looking for funding, that trickles down to the community and for outreach. it's like we've already funded pride so you guys should be good no. look at those numbers it's a major, major de, that's a major 40%. but you've already funded pride. no, that's not funding pride. you have to also be inclusive of people of color. >> i mean, our buying power matters so the support should matter equally. michael, how was it as we've discussed, being anti-racist globally, house anti-racism look like within the lgbtq community thanks, vic. >> so just to add to the first point you mentioned, i've somali when they chive as a black game and live with hiv, it's so important for the talk about the need that we have in our community. and atlanta is one of the health center of hr iv. so it's good for the spotlight on those issues and talk about like we have issues like in a blackboard under about the fact that when you live in hivan medication, you cannot transmit hiv. there's eu equals used to let me about that. >> to your question. like when i was i'm nigeria, when i was niger, i did not know that i was black until i came so it's like racial issues around the wadsworth different from what it is in the us. so when i came here, i found out was not just gay, but also i was just a black those issues i really important the speaker, but and put a spotlight on michael legal doro, melissa scott. thank you. both next, the newest national spelling bee champ is attica saying to a legacy of indian american kids dominating the competition. here from someone who was a champion himself on the work it takes to keep that run going this is a secret, war, secrets and spies premieres tomorrow on old spice 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performed so well. and it all comes down to practice. so joining me now is blue nitrogen, the first indian american champion of the scripps national spelling bee, and president of the north south foundation. this is a non-profit that conducts academic competitions and programs for students. blue, thank you for being with me and correct me now, if if this is an overstatement but the fascination in the south asian-american community with the spelling bee started with you and you're win in 1985 when reverberated through the us community and south asia, what was it about spelling that really caught on so i think the biggest thing is opportunity because i think people knew that even though we looked different and our last names were much harder that we could succeed even on a stage like this. >> and our community embraced it beyond my wildest dreams. very quickly and about 14:15 years after my victory, we started this string that is something i still have trouble being able to appreciate or fathom, but it's happening and it's going on. >> so tell me about the north-south foundation. you have these spelling competitions across the country that really served as the inke you bader as the minor leagues to catapult these students to the scripps national spelling bee. walk me through it so we do a lot of various competitions and stem language, english and language arts. >> we also do coaching. but yes, the whole point is even at age six, to give folks opportunity to give them the confidence that they can learn and whether they wind up posting that trophy at the end as national champion, or they just learn really our goal is to give them confidence, but also to boys, them to give back to society through the process of educational access and ultimately educational equity many of these young champions have come through the north-south foundation. the last three champions, how many of the recent champions have gone through your program? >> we've had over 20 who have gone through our program and sometimes we have taught them, sometimes they've simply participated in our competitions. but the best part is many of them come back to coach. and the money that we generate from our coaching actually goes to the underserved both in india and the united states as a kids who otherwise wouldn't be able to access education at all. >> it's important to say that these aren't students who are going to $50,000 a year private schools, these are students who are living middle-class lives in middle-class families and it's not the elite schools that are represented and adhere. these are students who are just dedicated to this. and in large part through your program and their own, their own fascination with spelling there's a lot of hard work. >> it is less economic and much more grit and if you look at this year's champion bruhat soma, one of the things he said is he wanted to take his winnings and donate it to the under-privileged kids who couldn't necessarily afford education. so he definitely represents what our foundation does, which is we want people so to learn, but ultimately we want them to get back how's that feel? >> you're one of the few understands what these students are feeling now that they get to hoist that trophy, i think we have maybe a picture of you from that era. tell us what you felt it is. >> you work really hard at something and at the end, when you actually achieve it, you never know if you're really going to be able to do it. you believe you can. but then when it happens, you just breathe the sigh of relief. you probably could see in some of the old videos that ends literally did that so it's really validating. but when we see our kids doing it year over year i know how much work it took, having seen my own kids go through it as well as myself. and it's really just a sense of community pride. those kids have worked really hard and even the ones that are in second, third, and fifth idf place, they've all worked incredibly hard and they support each other sportsmanship. the team's been shipped, it's really amazing and it's something that i'm very proud of well, blue natraj run the first child of immigrants to win the scripps national spelling bee. >> and now the ceo north south foundation. thank you so much for your time and thank you for joining me today. i'll see you back here next saturday at adm. eastern smerconish is up next the assignments are. >> going on the tornado here. >> i'm thinking language, die and i thought that was it one would earth with we have schreiber premiers tomorrow with nine on cnn belly, i need help with a clicker. >> one second, grandma, disguise going to buy my car he's still there you need carbonic. what's your plate number boss? >> mov vehicle features? no accidents, right? >> no good generating offer. >> guard mana can pick it up tomorrow. that's an amazing offer. >> but do you still need help with the clicker? >> i'll ask your sister sell your car the easy way with carbonic and 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