city mess donald trump makes a play for black voters with a message on crime and election conspiracies. >> we won a landslide that is too big to rigueur as the fight to be his vp he enters its final weeks, who billy choose? i'll sit down exclusively with potential running mate senator tom cotton plus red carpet cash celebrities turnout for president biden his reelection bid as biden returns from rallying crucial allies abroad, he cannot wait us out. he cannot divide us, but as he juggles multiple international crisis these could the real test calm at home in november top biden ally, senator chris murphy joins me and going on offense, democrats issue a stark warning about reproductive i've rights even as they score a win at the supreme court. >> this is not a cause for celebration, but can democrats turned their message into votes? my panel breaks it all down ahead. >> hello, i'm jake tapper, washington where the state of our union is seeing stars, the 20 let me 24 campaign is in full swing this weekend as president biden turned his, i'm helped from hollywood bringing out celebrities from george clooney and julia roberts to barbra streisand. >> here's host of the event, jimmy kimmel, with a pre-show selfie with two of the other headliners, obama and biden, as for turning that star power into buying power, president biden raised more than $30 million record breaking number for democrats, but not for republicans who raised $50 million at an event in april that this all comes after a biden trip overseas to try to reassure allies of america's commitments to the world and to democracy, both of which he says are at risk if the former president, mr. trump wins in november, donald trump meanwhile, it's been his saturday in michigan pivotal part of biden's blue wall in 2020 form of president trump, according to black vote at a church in detroit, baselessly casting doubt on the 2020 election as a way to attack the 2024 election at a turning point action conference last night we're not going to allow them to rig the presidential election in 2024, we need to watch the vote. we need to guard the vote. we need to stop the steal. we don't need votes all of this as we were just 11 days away from a key moment in the presidential election, the very first one on one debate, which will be right here on cnn. and my first guest could be theoretically joining donald trump on the republican ticket, joining us now, potential trump vice presidential pick republican senator tom cotton of arkansas, also a us veteran. thank you so much for being here, senator, really appreciate it. let's start with ukraine, which i know is an issue you care about in terms of military aid last night at a rally in michigan, the former president, mr. trump, went after ukrainian president zelenskyy for constantly seeking usaid saying, quote, it never ends, it never ends. this is a criticism that comes after he reportedly told him house republicans, we mean was on the held the other day that the money the us is sending to ukraine isn't worth it and ask, quote, if ukraine wins, what will be the benefit unquote now you've been a strong supporter of military aid to ukraine, to fend off putin's war. what is your answer to that question? what will be the benefit if ukraine wins? >> will jake thanks for having me on and happy father's day to you. you will also have father's day to all the dads aren't there i think it's important to look at the context of what's happened in ukraine over the last ten years. i've noticed that vladimir putin only invade ukraine and democrats are president. it happened under barak obama. it happened under joe biden it didn't happen with donald trump. in fact, the weapons that ukraine use in the early days of this war to fend off the russian invasion or the weapons that donald trump sounds that barak obama and joe biden had refused to sin one reason why joe biden, are vladimir putin thought he could get away with going for the jugular and ukraine is because of the disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan, which projected weakness and indecision. it was just a few weeks later that he began to mass troops on ukraine's border. president trump has said that he believes and support ukraine's survival and strength, but he also thinks that europe should do more. in fact, should care more because it is in their backyard. it is on their borders. i think that to europe should be doing more of this. but what we all want is returned to the peace and stuff the bill that we had when president trump was president, not the war and chaos. we've seen over the last four years, does it bother you at all when president trump says things like if ukraine wins, what will be the benefit which contradict the policy issues you just illustrated? >> president trump again presided for four years over a peace and stability. i understand that european leaders and democrats here in america didn't care for some of the language or rhetoric he used. i would say that was necessary to get tough on foreign leaders who are free-riding off of american military strength for 35 years. and what you saw is european leaders actually finally investing in their common defense. that's something they'll do again when president trump is back in the white house. >> the supreme court, the us supreme court friday overturned the trump era ban on bump stocks which were used to make firearms. arguably deadlier during the 2017 las vegas shooting, which killed 58 people, the deadliest mass shooting in modern american history. the court suggested there does seem to be a majority on the court that would support such a move. legislatively, just not through the regulatory process, would you support enshrining the trump era ban in legislation will jake first i want to make a point about the supreme court more broadly, for years, democrats like chuck schumer and jill biden have attacked this court because they don't like the fact that it's got a center right constitution unless majority, they claim that it makes outcomes-based decisions. >> what you saw on friday was the opposite that you saw the six republican appointed justices reversing a trump administration regulation that's the opposite of outcomes-based judiciary are judging. they focus on the text and the meaning of statutes and of our constitution exactly as they should now on the legislative question, i would suggest before we infringe on the rights of law law-abiding american citizens. we should crack down on violent crime and gun crimes. i've introduced numerous bills that would extend sentences for gun felons. the democrats won't join me because they don't believe in harsh criminal penalties. or maybe we should close our border where we've had so many criminal aliens cross. we just recently learned that the murderer of rachel murrin a beautiful young mother of five, was a savage, degenerate from el salvador who raped and bieder after doing something similar in el salvador. yet, joe biden, rather than getting serious about immigrant crime, is about to give amnesty more than 1 million illegal aliens that's what we should be doing before we start threatening variety of law you think that banning bump stocks is in an infringement on the second amendment? >> i think it could it treads close to the line. you don't want to look at the legislative language, but more than anything, what we need to do to stop crime this country is to get tough on crime. look what just happened across the street from the white house. you had a bunch of pro-hamas lunatics engaged in violent protest defacing the statues of great american veterans. a black letter violation of american law. there's not a single arrest of those protesters, of those hooligans who were attacking statues, who even injured alone enforcement officer, that's to say nothing of the prosecutors. we see all across this country elected as democrats who are not serious about prosecuting violent crime. >> i want to play something you told me the last time you were on the show, which was believing or not september 2020, after donald trump than the president had just cast doubt on whether he would ultimately support the peaceful transfer of power should president by it should then vice president biden win take a listen it's really quite alarming to a lot of republicans. >> his refusal to say, of course, if i lose, i will abide by peaceful transfer of power he is sent said that if there's a clear winner, if this courts settle a contested election, that of course he will. >> but the premise of the question that you just play any jake is the presence is going to lose. i don't think the presence going to lose. the president is going to win it's a prediction that didn't age very well. >> not only did president trump lose, he did not accept the court settled contested election as you as you phrased it, or abide by the peaceful transfer of power gregg first, i think i need to come on more often because there's a big difference for how we looked four years and you haven't aged. >> i have quite a bit i have quite a bit, but yes but jake, i mean, i think the president has said, as i've said, about this election, this election of course, we will accept the results if the results are from fair and free elections, every candidate in any rice has a right to go to court, to seek legal redress course if they think there's been any kind of fraud or cheating, if they think state or city didn't follow the rules or customary practices of their elections i think that's reasonable for president trump to say it's reasonable for any candidate for any office in america to believe. >> i don't disagree, but that's not what happened in 2020. i mean, he contested it up to the us supreme court and then it went past that, as you know well, look what happened on january 6, 2021, is that there was a protest in washington. >> they got out of hand and it became a riot. and as i've said from the very beginning anyone who injured a law enforcement officer committed acts of violence on january 6 at the capital should be prosecuted and face severe consequences. does again, that's unlike democrats who won't prosecute violent protesters, for instance, from democrats rate militia is outside the homes of supreme court justices or defacing statues of veterans right across from the white house. anyone who commits acts of violence, in my opinion, should be prosecuted and faced severe so you disagree when donald trump says as president until considering he'll consider pardoning every one of the january 6 rioters convicted in court. he said, everyone not. and i understand that others who maybe didn't participate in violent protests are different than the ones who use violence or assaulted police officers. but he says everyone, but didn't say he didn't say he would know. he said consider consider iterate, and i think what that means is what he did in his first term. he take each case for a pardon request on a case-by-case basis. and i do think there's a strong case for many of the defendants to be pardoned because they didn't engage in acts of violence, they didn't damage federal property in some cases, they were subject to pretrial detention for a longer period than the sentences for misdemeanor crimes that they faced. some of them are probably about to have their convictions. are there indictments overturned by the supreme court decision because the biden administration stretch the law beyond reasonable balance to go after some of the people who are present, not even in the capital, but near the capital that day, which is again in conduct contrast to the violent pro-hamas protesters you see outside the white house or democratic street militias who are marching in violation of federal law outside supreme court justices holmes, trying to intimidate them on the way their role in a particular case. i'll just observe that some critics might say you say it sounds like you have a different standard, you have a tough law and order stance on everything other than these issues here that have to do with president trump and his supporters, you seem to have, because you have a very hard line. so it's on law and order, but here you're talking about oh, maybe pardoning them if they didn't engage in violence. that's not the language you use when you're talking about the black lives matter. protesters are others. >> well, many of the blm and in tv rights in 2020, we're not so-called peaceful protests. at some on your network said, they were looting and writing and committing arson and murder. again, the same same techniques that were used for every grandma and maga hat who was within a country mile the capital on january 6 are not being used for the street militias who protested outside supreme court justices holmes or the pro-hamas lunatics or defacing statues of veterans, or who occupied college campuses last month. i'm simply calling for the same standards to be used regardless of one's politics. that's the essence of the rule of law. >> so the republican spoken mentioned kicks off in the walkie in less than a month, donald trump is set to unveil his running mate. there. you are one of the top contenders. do you want to be vice president well, i think the president asked you to serve in any capacity, our great nation. >> you'd have to consider it. but i also know that there's probably on one person who knows who's on his shortlist. and i suspect the president will make a decision about his vice president when he's ready. and it'll be a good decision for him to ticket. but more importantly, a good decision for the country. but you would say yes if he asked if the president asked me to serve in any capacity, i would of course, entertain it. but right now, i'm very happy being a senator representing the people of arkansas and working to elect president trump the majority of the congress. so we can begin to repair some of the damage that joe biden, the democrats 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conservatives, it was the way it was done. he said there a simple remedy for the disparate treatment of bump stocks and machine guns. congress can amend the law and perhaps would have done so already if atf, it's stuck with its earlier interpretation. now the situation is clear. congress can act you heard senator cotton there it didn't sound particularly supportive of the idea of banning bumps. doxy said it might infringe on the second amendment. is there an appetite in the senate four well, i think it's really scary that we've lost republicans support for banning machine guns. and that's what a bump stock does. it turns a semi-automatic weapon into a machine or something like a machine one pulled the trigger, you can fire hundreds of rounds at one time and of course this is a republican administration that ban bump stocks at the time republicans in the senate and the house were supportive of it. but now that they've got a supreme court that seems ready to unwind the entirety of the second amendment and take away from congress or the executive branch the ability to keep our community safe there once again, lining up behind the gun, but he was there. >> they were there are obviously three liberal justices and three concurring republican justices are conservative justices who would support it if done. >> the proper way in their view. >> what was i would hope that republicans who said back during the las vegas shooting that they want bump stocks regulated. now, in the wake of the supreme court, decision would join us if we pass a law, the supreme court says that they would honor that law. my bigger worry, jake, is that this supreme court has been signaling and some of their decisions on guns that they are reading to fundamentally rewrite the second amendment and take away permanently the ability of congress to do simple things like require people to go through a background check or move forward on taking dangerous weapons like ar 15s off of the streets. so i think this court is poised to make it very hard for congress or state legislatures to be able to regulate guns and keep our communities and schools safe. let's talk about the us supreme court because we're still waiting for two major january 6 related cases to be decided on president hello immunity, and whether or not the obstruction of a proceeding charges were appropriate ones for the january 6 rioters at a fundraiser in hollywood last night or los angeles last night, president biden referred to the upside-down flag that martha and alito flew outside their home. he said the court has never been as out of kilter as it as it is today. and there are a lot of other remarks along those lines. is it appropriate for a president to criticize the court like that? >> oh, absolutely. madigan has a crisis on the court in particular, with respect to justice alito and justice thomas what justice thomas is engaged in is just a grifter, right? he's got a major political player on the outside who absolutely has political and business interests at the court paying off a justice justice alito is openly displaying affiliation with political causes in public. i think it would be irresponsible for the president, not to talk about the fact that this court is becoming reasonably corrupt and brazenly political and it's up to the american people. this election to do something about that. it's also up to congress to step up and pass a code of conduct. the code of ethical conduct for this court before it's too late. >> let me ask you about ukraine because president biden was obviously at this big fundraiser in california as he looks to shake up his deadlock race with donald trump, which donald trump is probably ahead if the election were held tomorrow, donald trump, you'd have to give them the edge. vice president harris meanwhile, was attending a peace summit held by ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy in switzerland. doing that instead of biden's zelenskyy said biden's absence would be met with applause from putin. should biden have been there with zelenskyy instead of with the hollywood bigwigs? >> well, there's no doubt that joe biden has been the president that is allowed ukraine to survive and to be able to fight another day without joe biden's support for ukraine, congress would not have passed this latest tranche of aid. and it's just a reality that president biden has to do two things at once. he has two campaign for reelection. the fact of the matter is there gonna be a handful of massively funded billionaires on the republican side that are going to put lots of money to his campaign. joe biden has to raise money to counter that. this peace summit, though was extraordinary. and the fact that the entire western world came together around a simple premise that ukraine should be sovereign free, and independent, and donald trump at that very moment, was attathe ability of ukraine to fight for itself and signaling that if you elect donald trump president, he is likely going to hand ukraine to putin, which will append the entire post-world war ii order and potentially get the united states in direct conflicts with countries like russia and china and incredibly dangerous moment a clear contrast between joe biden, who is going to stand up for the free world and donald trump is going to hand the free world over to autocrats and dictators. so you noted that biden had has to campaign in addition to being leader to the free world, let's talk about the campaign because trump is in battleground michigan. >> last night making a pitch to african american voters, polls show biden trailing trump in key battleground states and polling well behind your senate colleagues who are running for reelection. look at this new york times poll from last month, wisconsin senator tammy baldwin is up nine points in wisconsin. biden's only up two points. pennsylvania senator bob casey, up five and pa biden's down three, arizona congressman ruben when guy eggo running for senate in arizona, up for biden down seven nevada senator jacky rosen, up to and nevada biden's down 12 how can you look at this? these statistics, these numbers, and not conclude that joe biden is a drag on the ticket. >> oh, that's not going to be the case. >> but look look at the numbers that's one point. >> well, you're happy for your colleagues. i'm sure, but biden is is under polling. all of them. that's one poll. i can also show you 60 other polls that show that joe biden is in the lead. they're planning he pulls in swing states this show that joe biden has a small lead. this is going to be a close race. there's no doubt about it. but what we have consistently seen is that democrats are outperforming polls because we're seeing a surge of turnout, especially young people who are freaked out, that republicans led by donald trump are going to take away their right to reproductive health scare are going to destroy our democracy. i think this is going to be a close race, but i have no doubt that joe biden is going to win and he's going to lead senate democrats to hold the majority before we go. >> i do want to note that it was high school graduation week in newtown, connecticut typically a joyous occasion. but this year is obviously overshadowed by the absence of 20 students who should have been graduating had they not been murdered in the sandy hook elementary school shooting 12 years ago? i can't believe it was 12 years ago. i'm sure it was an emotional week for you watching the survivors who have had to overcome so much to get to this zero point while remembering the classmates who never got, never got a chance to grow up. >> yeah, in today's father's day and i have to sons who are about the same age as those kids a little bit younger and i have had the gift of being able to watch them grow up over the last 12 years of gift that was stolen from those parents in sandy hook. a lot of those parents have become part of a movement to try to change the laws of this country so that, that never, ever happens again. there's good news to celebrate today urban gun homicides over the last two years have dropped by 20, 30%. there are all sorts of young men and women who are alive today who are celebrating father's de, with their father because of the laws that we passed, laws that were made possible in part by the families from sandy hook who turned that grief into action. so we have a lot of work to do to make sure that something like sandy hook never happens again, that every kid gets the chance to graduate but we have some reason to believe that this country is starting to turn the corner and change our laws in a way that makes our kids and our families safer. >> and i know there's not a day that goes by and i'm sure it's i know it's the same with me as it is with you that we don't think about the sandy hook parents, nicole, and all the other sandy hook it's out there. you have taught to us and we think about you all the time and we are praying for 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some that he's peeling off the margins, but the majority of black people remember that black unemployment was double under trump, that he tried to invalidate barack obama with the birtherism that he told police to dominate them after, the, dominate the protest protesters after george floyd's death. but i also think that it's having the opposite effect. it's actually forcing the democratic party to make bigger investments earlier in appealing to black voters. ashley allison and i have been those war rooms and these last presidential elections. and it's not not until october where we're ripping our hair out, saying pay attention to black voters now, the party is making the biggest, largest investments earliest than it's ever had in engaging the black funders she's suggesting donald trump, so doing them a favor they are doubled down on resources and that is a smart political play. >> but the reality is the former president is doing something that no other republican president your candidate has ever done. i would argue since perhaps richard nixon, and that is to make a very serious and legitimate play to african americans. >> richard nixon in 1996, decades ago. i mean, trump was in detroit. >> he has a rally coming up soon and philly, they're spending real dollars on campaign ads and its many real dollars to target black men across social media and radio. they just hired an african african-american to oversee their africa-american outreach strategy. so i think this is legitimate. there's a reason why the biden campaign is spending more resources because they are clearly concerned and on the issues of some of donald trump's statements in the past, barack obama certainly disagree with him on that. i thought it was abhorrent. but let's not forget that president biden also has some very serious shaky issues in the past with issues of race as well. my point here is that both of these gentlemen are not perfect on that issue. nevertheless, donald trump is showing up and it's important and i think it is going to make the difference. >> okay. he went to detroit. i'm not sure that it was an event that the audience was actually all black. that audience was very few black bear if it wasn't a black audience for a black, for trump event. so that's one thing to be important. but the clip you play, jake was actually in response to a question about black entrepreneurial ship and he didn't have an answer except for a crime, crime, crime, crime, crime. well, if you asked joe biden that what joe biden can say is that black women are the fastest growing group of entrepreneurial with black men are coming up second behind them. and that joe biden has actually doubled entrepreneurial ship black business owners that is doubled since the pandemic. and that's under joe biden so again, we view and i've take talk to this other all the time. so my goal is that when you actually look at the policies, joe biden is better for donald, are for black america. i'm not saying that donald trump can go to black communities that have the conversation just like joe biden should we deserve to be caudate like every single voter. but when you put the facts against the facts, joe biden is better. >> i think donald trump has a great chance to peel off black voters for the same reason, he's peeling off all other kinds of working class americans, inflation, cost of living food prices, black voters have the same problems that hispanic voters have. the white voters have. they think joe biden has failed them when it comes to just living day-to-day in this country and i think the attitude of the democratic party and of joe biden specifically has always been to black voters. i just need you to shut up and show up and donald trump says, i want to have a conversation mission with you, and that's a different attitude. >> so let's go to you, brought up by president obama, and he was out campaigning for joe biden last night in hollywood. one of the things he said, according to the new york times, president obama said, quote, we have the spectacle of the nominee of one of the two major parties sitting in court and being convicted by a jury of his peers on 34 counts his foundation is not allowed to operate because it was engaging in monkey business. you have his organization being prosecuted for not paying taxes very robust argument against donald trump by of former president. let's go to you first. if former president obama what do you make of it? >> and i always count on my old boss to deliver a strong message. it's true, it is. i think this is the important thing is that we have to do two things in this campaign. we have to continue to draw the contrast between joe biden and donald trump. i do not think that those two men or the lesser of two evils, joe biden and donald trump are not even on the same spectrum in terms of care. character, in terms of how they have compassion for the working class people. and that i'm referring to joe biden that donald trump, because i know you're talking about donald trump's that i think that is interesting to hear obama described it this way since donald trump was convicted the probability of him becoming the next president has only gone up. you look at the major forecasters. he's now favored to win the presidency. there are credible polls and virginia and minnesota showing those states that are now swing-state. you can tell which of these campaigns is on offense and the other one that's not is flailing one week you've got joe biden saying executive order closed the border next week, executive order, amnesty for everybody who's here. they do not know what to do because everything they are trying to do tends to make donald trump more popular the problem here is joe biden does not, barak obama. >> and i have a tremendous amount of respect for the former president is a brilliant man but the reality is the message that he's given to those donors is not the message that president biden is able to give when he's on the campaign trail and it's a reason why many voters, including democrats, are just are uncertain whether or not the president can continue for another four years. now, does that mean that a whole swath of them are going to go to donald trump? absolutely not. but it does indicate that some may stay home. that is just as troublesome for democrats and good for president trump and ashley, i know one of the issues that democrats are really hitting hard is supreme court justices and abortion rights. one of the things that predator biden said last night at this fundraiser, quote, the next president is likely to have two more supreme court nominees referring to donald trump, he said the idea that if he is reelected, he's going to 0.2 more her are waving flags upside down is biden trailed off the supreme court has never been as out of kilter as it is today. that's obviously a reference to the upside-down flag hung at the alitos house of distress symbol. what do you make that argument? what do you make that pit? >> well, i mean, i think it's a strong pitch pitch. we've been making as a party for some time, but now we're expanding the issues. it was primarily focused on the supreme court's threat around reproductive rights. and now we're expanding it even bigger and more broadly, affirmative action. all of the rights that we, that we enjoy right now as a nation could be rolled back by the the supreme court. and i think that's what's under threat and that's the argument that the party is going to make, but i just wanted to go back to this. what scott said about being in the defensive posture, the democratic party, if you look at just this week, it undermines your argument. the special election in ohio, trump won that district by 30% in 2020 the republican just wanted by 10% is swung ten points in the democrats favor low turnout to me that suggests that there's a lack of enthusiasm you've got to president, the head of the party that's consistently lost the last three cycles. they've underperformed in addition to that, have 0s having problems raising money the money that he actually is raising because out to pay his lawyers to stay out of jail. i don't know why we're on the defensive hold that thought i'll come back to you on this, but we have to squeeze in a quick break, scott, i'll come right to you and that you michael for you as the former president adds another candle to his birthday cake. >> donald trump now 78 first lady jill biden has a new message about the current president's age. can panels back and just moments stay with us get better with age here's the beat. >> nice to every thursday helped fuel today with boost type protein complete nutrition, you need without the stuff you don't. >> so here's two now centrum, it scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your home that you give everybody a hope he foundations supporting here you. >> plus tries centrum silver. now clinically proven to support memory in older adults when. 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happy birthday from a crowd in michigan, joe biden, of course, is 81 i'm going to turn 82 in november. both candidates would be the oldest president ever inaugurated. >> my panel joins me now, scott, i promised i'd come to you. >> jill biden says, showing that other guy essentially the same as let's not be fooled. it is true the chronologically they could have been in high school at the same time essentially the same age i applaud the attempt to put a brave face on this. the reason that every single national survey shows that people don't think joe biden is up to this second term, and that they think donald trump is more with it is because people have ears. they have eyes, they have observational skills where we are you're observing these two people every day that's why upcoming debate moderated by you on cnn and recall moderate, dana will be with me as well. >> this is why it's such a high-wire act. i mean, the democrats are freaked out there trying to change the trajectory of the campaign. >> it's possible this does not go the way they want it to go. >> he's in the quick sand in his polling is below 40 and has been for months because of his age and the perceived weakness that is, age brings the debate good, make it worse and make it that he could never get out of the quicksand. it's a high-wire act. >> asked me i think the debate is important, but i think most people haven't really started to pay attention to the election. i think it's important to engage people and it'll be just as much as what he does on the shell is what his campaign does to push the message out. and this is a campaign. i said this all along. this is a campaign of it should be the people versus donald trump, not joe biden versus donald trump, because joe biden has the most diverse cabinet around him. he has been able to elect historic numbers of women of color in the house. he, he has built a robot and in 2020 we had the most robust, diverse coalition. so he is able to make an expand the electorate. he needs to let people know that we're running together. this is not about me and i think that is a pushback to the counter maybe maybe he expanded the electrode in 2020, but right now he has an issue with african americans. there's issues with younger voters and on the age issue, if you having to defend and constantly tell people he's a vibrant 81-year-old. he's mentally sharp. you can do 50 push-ups. >> you're losing the messaging battle here. to scott's point, people are seen with their own eyes, why they are somewhat concerned about the present look at one and being president of the united states, it's a difficult job. got bless the president. but people do have legitimate and i will say rightful concerns about can the president continued to do this job for another four years? i don't think it's odd too big that question. and once the camp pedro really heats up the president's going to have to be out there are a lot more jake and people are going to look at this and they're going to wonder kitten this guy continue. >> so i've been hearing in the media that donald trump is asking the question when he's considering when he's selecting his vice president who would be prepared to take over for him if he doesn't complete his turn. he also is fully aware of his own age, but i've worked for two 80-year-olds and i will say that age is nothing but a number and i think the reality is what this thing boils down to is what have you done for me lately when it comes to voters, if you do that to ashley's point earlier, it presidential elections are about contrast, if you look at what joe biden did just in the last two weeks. yeah signed a bilateral security agreement with ukraine, signed and executive order to protect the border 270,000 jobs added to the economy. you compare that with donald trump, convicted 34 a felony counts, trying data, jail told people, i don't care about your i don't care about you. i just want your vote trash can i think it's fine, but my point with donald trump is, you take him at his word. >> i don't know that he's joking. like i had you say is true. why? why is joe biden using today as much as he was before? >> okay. >> more importantly, if everything you say is true, then why are you guys underperforming? since all the way since 2018, you guys have underperformed you turn out but that's fine yeah. so you admit that there's no one not the only way joe biden can win it because if nobody votes, know what i say that that's what you're time-out means joe biden. i didn't said that. that doesn't mean here's what i think we're having right now and i think this is a important moment and politics besides the two candidates, polls are not getting it right and they haven't been getting a ride. i said this very table and you all look like i had three heads. when i said, i don't think it's gonna be a red wave. you all particularly, but some folks looked at me crazy because it didn't show different shows different wasn't a red wave. >> and i'm like because people are not just voting on one issue. yes, they care about the economy, but they also know that reproductive rights isn't it? >> let's talk about that for one second because the us supreme court delivered a victory to the the reproductive rights side with the mifepristone yeah. ruling but vice president harris was quick to note that the ruling had to do with the fact that the plaintiffs had no standing right. >> it wasn't a ruling in favor of mifepristone. here's vice president here. >> this is not a cause for celebration this ruling is not going to change the fact that trump's allies have a plan that if all else fails to eliminate medication, abortion through executive action. so we must remain clear clear-eyed about the threats to reproductive freedom in america. and we must remain vigilant what can i start by saying she looks great in that blue. >> look, the fixing that nevertheless this is a continuation of republicans war against women. i just don't understand it. you've got the head of the party that's convicted of sexual assault who brags about overturning roe and calls it an incredible achievement. taking rights away from women as an incredible achievement. and then you add on top of that, the republican party in the senate vote against ivf. >> this week. >> i'm sorry, this is a made-up issue. there is not a single republicans got donald trump, who is running against ivf. you cannot name i just voted not about not a made up issue. it is totally women have lost a constitutional right because donald trump, he's got my roe v. wade. roe v. wade because donald trump nominated three supreme court justices with the assistance of your former boss, mitch mcconnell, by blocking president biden president obama's supreme court nomination and then accelerating president trump's nomination and since we have lost our constitutional right and 2022, the red wave did not manifest in 2023, your own home state and have a seat, kansas, a red state now what happened there? ohio, my home state. >> it is now a part of the constitution. >> it's been codified. it is an issue. don't say it's a made-up fish ibs and alabama my last word on this is we have not as a party did well on this issue, scott no one can deny that and that's why the former president is having some difficulties trying to figure out absolutely what sparking a clear position, john kani has got this done. >> let me finish. let me finish. >> we have lost on this issue. we need to leave the long way to get back to the issues that people care about immigration. the economy, and foreign policy where your guy is not strong, okay, so wonderful panel hey happy father's day early, happy are you break. >> coming up next that message for all the dads out there. we'll be right back on, night of new, cnn, original series new episodes tonight at nine it's, so easy to get your windshield or place using safe flight until the people i haven't done it already, my mint, let's 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