>> the american right wins the need to a criminal. >> it was exciting after all he had been through, how strong this man is. >> tonight the authoritarian takeover of the republican party and the moderate display that could make kim jong-un blush. >> he speaks and people sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. >> he is always so sweet and recognizes me. >> there is your cake, sir. then, chris murphy on the supreme court ruling that just ended a trump era gun safety law. and you will not believe how republicans in one state are choking off democracy. >> north carolina's state constitution says you have the right to free and frequent elections. but it does not specifically say they have to be fair. >> when all in starts right now. good evening from washington, i'm jason johnson and for chris hayes. before yesterday donald trump had not visited the u.s. capital since before the deadly january 6th insurrection that he had excited in hopes of overturning a democratic election and staying in power. it was an insurrection in which even republican lawmakers scattered and sheltered in fear for their lives. and at the time, some republican leaders harshly condemned trump for it. >> there is no question, none. president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. >> trump and i have had a journey. all i can say is count me out, enough is enough. i've tried to be helpful. >> so, you may have heard that trump returned to the scene of the crime yesterday, at the invitation of house and senate republicans who not only greeted him as a victor, but tried to read con in their early criticisms of trump's tierney. >> senator, how is it seeing the former president? >> we had a good meeting. we shook hands a few times, and he took questions from the audience. it was an entirely positive session. >> everybody in that room is dying for him to get back in office. it was the single best meeting i have ever seen between the united states republican senators and president trump, and i cannot wait to have them back. >> incredibly, the glowing reception from former trump critics and the party was just the tip of a massive kiss up iceberg as public and senators fitted trump with a birthday cake, a day ahead of his 70th birthday, and then lined up to applaud him. singing the praises of a dear leader who currently holds no office, but does hold complete sway over the re-election efforts. he awaits sentencing for his manhattan election interference conviction. >> he is electric. he has an incredible fastball. and i think it was just exciting, after all he had been through, how strong this man is. >> he was the team captain and we were glad he was leading us. >> he said very complement rethink about all of us. we had sustained applause. he said i'm doing a very good job. we are grateful for that. >> one of my favorite speeches, he came in, talked to the conference, was very honest. he was on a, he was joking around constantly with everyone. he was really sweet to me. >> he was electric. a lot of mainstream media reporting seems to be at a loss as to how to frame yesterday's bizarre, unprecedented republican embrace of trump and his 34 felony convictions. a lot of it read like a social media post the associated press, who went crazy with the additives, calling it a triumphant return that energized republicans, who are reinvigorated by his white house bid. but if you zoom out for the big picture here, it is hard to argue with this description of the days events. from talking points memo publisher josh marshall on social media. quote, pyongyang moment in the rotunda. the maniacal clapping in unison, marjorie taylor greene was breaking down in tears because trump smiled at her, total north korean vibe. member, donald trump is a man who was president, showered praise on north korea's dictator, kim jong-un, exchanging love letters with him and pining for the kind of deference that kim got from his subjects. >> hey, he is the head of a country, and i mean he is the strong head. don't let anyone think anything different. he speaks and his people sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. >> nobody in north korea would dare to think of indicting or convicting kim jong-un for his crimes, right? to donald trump, that is respect. but you already knew this. you probably remember during his presidency there were plenty of ways that trump tried to emulate dictators and strongmen. it was evident in the behavior that got him impeached twice, and his burning desire for a self glorifying soviet style military parade with tanks celebrating him in the streets of washington, an idea that his top generals had to talk him out of. those elements have always been there. the difference now is that donald trump is a convicted criminal who is facing several more serious criminal trials, and he is desperate to avoid jail. the entire american justice system to accommodate him, his past crimes, and any possible future ones. and the republican party is prostrating themselves before him, ready to help them in that task. former capital police sergeant beaten by riders with a flag while defending the capital on january 6. he writes about this in his book, american shield, the immigrant sergeant who defended democracy. he joins me now. thank you so much for your service. >> thanks for having me here. >> i want to start with this. i have also interviewed harry dunn. i have a tremendous amount of respect for what you all did, what you continue to suffer. just your first reaction to seeing donald trump, the man responsible for that violence, walking back into the capital building not in handcuffs, not in her jumpsuit. how does that make you feel? >> very disappointing. all the sacrifices that we did on january 6th, those same members that yesterday applauded and greeted the former president as if he did something great at the capital, and they were running for their lives. they seem to forget how fearful they were running for their lives on that day. it is astounding that instead of giving the police officers that type of recession they chose to give that to the former president, the same guy who put their lives and our lives at risk. unfortunately, we can't depend on republican let officials any longer to defend the constitution or democracy, because they only had fealty for one person, and that person is donald trump. >> i want ask you a little bit about this. because this is the part that gets me. and certainly i could not be angrier than you, i was not there. you are making my and all of our audiences. >> i'm trying to keep it down. >> it is infuriating to me, not just because of trump, but how did it feel seeing the senators and congressmen? as you said, they were hiding behind desks, running down the hallway asking to stay in your apartment. and here they are, praising the same guy. your friends who are still there, working there, does that make it difficult to go to work knowing that these cowards -- seem like it does. one of the things that happened on, after january 6th is that i lost my career because of that horrible day. and when i was still in the process of recovering, i had this struggle in my mind, like okay, what if there is another january 6th. and the republican elected officials, are they going to have my back, to help me close the doors? or do i have to watch the threat in front of me and then behind me? so, how can i do my job in a neutral way, in an impartial way, in a split second decision that is probably going to somebody's life, either minor there's. and some of these members, on january 6th, they knew who put their lives at risk. and we did our job, we protected both elected officials, both from republican and democrat the same. i protected your elected officials, just the same way i protected marjorie taylor greene or aoc or chuck schumer. we don't care. and i can only wonder how the officer feel yesterday, because it bothers me and i wasn't even there. and instead of holding a him accountable for it, instead of denouncing him, they have chosen to welcome him as a hero, as if you did something great. what was so great about an attack on the capital? what was so great? and, you know, about offering pardons for the same people, blanket pardons for the rioters who attacked the police officers . and now, like you said, he wants people to stand at attention like a dictator, flirting with others has been some, and that is not ronald reagan's party anymore. >> not at all. and i want to highlight this, because it is not just national. it is not just the cowardly republicans and the seditions in office. you and officer done were booed at the pennsylvania state house. how did that feel? it is one thing, again, to have these cowardly seditions. but to go to a statehouse of regular men and women who you would think would understand what you do more, how would that feel? and -- >> republicans and sylvania chose to walk, literally tore their back on former officers who defended their colleagues at the capital. and they don't have no conscience about what they did. they don't realize what we did on january 6 to keep the embers of the mob of the capital, actually saving their colleagues. they would be more receptive to what we had to say. and we were there, just to observe the chamber, and we were not going to give a speech, that was not her point. but the mere fact that they recognize all the people in the chamber, all their visitors, and when the outing came up they decided to walk away. and jared us for no reason. that was, to me, a slap in the face of the sacrifices that we did on january 6th. we were officers at that time, and they seemed to do the little usual of election talking points if they did, they would have at least given us a chance to give a conversation, but now they will not do that. >> and show you the respect you absolutely deserve. thank you so much for your time. you are an american hero. former capital police department , thank you so much for joining us tonight. still ahead, the supreme court proves it is even more extreme than donald trump, and that takes work. senator chris murphy joins me on today's radical gun decision. but first, democracy on the brink both here and abroad. former u.n. ambassador susan rice joins me on how we can protected. next on all in. just can't. ♪♪ mop smarter with the swiffer powermop. hi. my name is kim and i am 41 years old. i've been given the opportunity to work from home, so that means lots of video calls. i see myself more and i definitely see those deeper lines. i'm still kim and i got botox® cosmetic. i wanted to keep the expressions that i would normally have, you know, you're on camera and the only person they can look at is you. i was really happy with the results. i look like me just with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. 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is it frustration about the global economy? is it that people don't feel effectively represented? because i can run down policy lists of great things that say joe biden has published, but he, like many of these leaders, still seem to be underwater. >> jason, let's not confuse whether democracy is under threat with whether incumbents might be more or less popular at any given moment in time. democracy is about the competition among ideas and among leaders, and among parties. i think the competition is healthy in all of the g7 countries. the question is, in the united states, oh we re-elected joe biden, who is clearly and plainly committed to the rule of law, believes that the constitution matters, and that we are bound by the rules that we signed up to. or will voters return a man who is clearly authoritarian, who says things like hitler did some good things, who embraces vladimir putin as a genius and says that he will support him doing whatever he wants against nato? this is a man, and donald trump, whose own vice president, secretary of state, secretary is plural, secretaries of defense, national security advisers, and chief of staff all say that they really questioned whether he is fit to return to the presidency, and none of them have endorsed him. these are the people who worked most closely with him. that tells you a great deal about how dangerous and unhinged donald trump is, and what a threat he is to our democracy. so, joe biden has accomplished an enormous amount, as you have said, both internationally and domestically, just this week. for example, at the g7, he rallied our allies and bolstered international support for ukraine, imposed new sanctions on russia and china, so joe biden is strengthening our alliances, expanding nato, making the united states more secure, and donald trump is out with his go it alone approach that is extremely self- interested, all about what dictators he can make friends with every day of the week. >> ambassador, i have to ask you this quickly. you said part of what is helping democracy is competition, which is good. when the person you are competing with does not believe in democracy, isn't that inherently one of the dangers? joe biden wins, it is great. but if joe biden loses, as many democrats have said, as people who care about democracy, that maybe the end of democracy in this country if trump gets back in office, correct? >> we are saying the same thing, jason, yes. but that is not the case in canada, that is not the case in britain, that is not the case in many of the other countries you named. but here in the united states, absolutely. democracy is on the ballot, and we have a choice between a leader who cares about people, who is working to try to make lives better for working americans in this country, and has made enormous progress and has every ability to make more progress for the american people. compared to a man who is completely self-interested and out for himself. and against democracy, exactly. >> thank you so much, ambassador. thank you so much for joining us this evening. still to come, republicans band gun bump stocks after the 2017 las vegas massacre. the supreme court just made the legal again. senator chris murphy joined me on the court's extreme agenda, next on all in. in. impossible. we're solving the meat problem with more meat. i bought the team! kevin...? 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>> well, thanks for having me. i am sorry for your experience, unfortunately it is not the exception this days, it is the norm. the supreme court got it wrong. plain and simple. it is yet another decision from this supreme court that makes it clear that they are on their way to a radical rewriting of the ability for congress and the ability of the executive ranch to keep our communities safe. listen, everybody who knows anything about a bump stock knows that it effectively turns a semi automatic weapon into an automatic weapon. through a single pull of the trigger, you can fire multiple rounds. that is the definition in law of a machine gun, and the supreme court should have allowed for this regulation, put in place by the trump administration, to stay as long . and now, with this ruling, once again you are going to be able to have very deranged individuals, like the las vegas shooter, once again be able to easily modify a semi automatic weapon in which you can get off 60 rounds per minute, and modify it into an automatic weapon in which you can fire off multiple hundreds of rounds a minute. that means in these mass shootings, more and more people will die. lives are going to be caused by the decision of the supreme court today. >> senator, i feel like we've been saying this a lot over the last five or six years, and unfortunately, maybe saying it for another 30 or 40. how do we work around the supreme court? because it seems like every time congress or elected officials make some effort, they cut it off at the knees. what can other branches do in order to sort of provide some gun safety for americans if the court is consistently opposed? >> so, it is important to note that this decision on bump stocks is actually not a decision on the scope of the second amendment. the broom decision, which is a decision from a prior conservative court, did reinterpret the second amendment and creates a really confusing new test for district courts in which they have to look at the historical precedent of regulating firearms in this country, which, of course, is very difficult when you have technologies changing very fast. but, as it stands today, the supreme court has not fundamentally overruled the heller decision. the heller decision says things like universal background checks and restrictions on weapons like assault weapons are still legal. now, the supreme court may eventually overrule heller, but for the time being, when states pass assault weapons ban, they are largely upheld by the courts, and unquestionably, when states or the federal government expands background checks requirements, which is the intervention that saves the most lives in this country, those are upheld by the courts as well. we have to be worried about the supreme court, but we can pass new laws today and they will pass constitutional muster. so there is no reason for us to wait to pass on assault weapons ban or universal background checks. let's worry about the court down the line, let's choose to save lives right now. >> speaking of the court, one of the most consistent story as we have seen pretty much since last summer is that we have one particular member of the court, many of whom are compromised, but one particular member of the court, clarence thomas, has consistently been shown to be basically in the pocket of a bond villain, harlan crow. he is the puppeteer for everything clarence thomas seems to do. he is the jim henson to his kermit. and that is affecting our ability to not just pass legislation, but have that legislation respected. what kinds of reforms do you think the president and the democrats and republicans who care about democracy should be trying to initiate now to rain this court in and weed out this type of compromise and corrupt justices? >> yeah, this is a straight up graft. there is no question what is happening here. harlan crow, who is one of the most politically involved multimillionaires or billionaires in the country, who has a clear political agenda, who has multiple interests before the court, is paying off clarence thomas in a multitude of different ways, giving him lavish trips, paying the rent of his mother. we probably have only uncovered the tip of the amount of money that harlan crow is directing to clarence thomas. and he is not doing that because they are best buddies. this is not a legacy relationship that goes back to their childhood days. he only started giving clarence thomas money once clarence thomas got in a position to rule on harlan crow's interests. what can we do? well, we can take a look at supreme court reform, that really interesting proposals that would limit the terms of supreme court justices. we could impose a statutory total conduct that would require these justices to report these interactions that would ban these kinds of gifts and would have consequences if they violate the law. so, we are not powerless to try to do something about this extraordinary corruption, specifically that justice thomas is involved in. we should get moving on it. i don't know why this is become a partisan issue. why do democrats only care about the corporate corruption of the court? 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>> on the basis of fair elections, and each of the districts that have been challenged, and the whole concept of the legislature being able to selectively pick voters and aggregate them together, that virtually guarantees the candidate of their choice will win, having enormous consequences for democracy. the voters are really deprived of the very constitutional basis of the election of officeholders , to congress, to the statehouse, to the state senate. so it really is an extraordinarily important issue. >> and as the maps are currently situated, you can have a situation where the majority of voters vote democratic in 2024, but republicans would still control the legislature. and that has an impact on policy. i want to play you a campaign commercial but is running right now against the gubernatorial candidate for the republican, to get your thoughts on the other side. >> in the past he will see you can't have an abortion with your letter for any reason. >> for me there is no compromise on abortion. it makes no difference to me why or how that child ended up in that womb. >> abortion in this country is not about protecting the lives of mothers. it is about killing the child because you weren't responsible enough to keep your skirt down. >> it is not your body more. >> not your body anymore. that is the man who is trying to become governor of north carolina. i have to ask you, regardless of how one may personally or philosophically feel about abortion, if voters true expressions are not going to be presented or prevented from being expressed at the ballot box, is it possible that you could have elected officials get in who don't represent the body politic at all, but just their personal agendas? >> certainly, and of course, mark robinson is running for governor, which is a statewide race. but the people who are elected to the general assembly are the ones who would pass the laws, that perhaps mark robinson is advocating for, and currently there is a republican super majority in both the statehouse and the state senate. and they certainly are intending to flip at least three of the congressional seats that were drawn, and three of the seats that we have challenged in this lawsuit. and they have very selectively taken voters in census blocks and precincts, and using extraordinarily sophisticated computer technology and data they are able to predetermine the outcome of the election. and that was one of the arguments we made in this case, that it is fundamentally unfair from an election standpoint to have government picking and choosing in advance who is going to win these elections. it is no different then putin being re-elected and russia and what was obviously an orchestrated election by the russian government. >> former state supreme court justice bob or, thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> thank you. coming up, president biden needs young voters to secure a second term. so, how can he reach them where they are? 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what changed between 2020 and now that made them rethink the algorithm of whether or not they want to support the president? >> well, hundreds of prominent tiktok and youtube and switch streamers with hundreds of millions of followers basically feel like biden has abandoned his core campaign promises. they are upset he has not made enough progress on climate. they are extremely upset about the situation in gaza, which they feel like biden is helping facilitate by sending weapons. they are very upset that biden has not done anything to combat the covid pandemic and they are also really upset, 67% said biden's decision to ban tiktok makes them less likely to vote for him. >> that is one that i have heard a tremendous amount about, because tiktok isn't just a place to hang out and play. it is also a place where people make money. this is something that as a political science professor and political scientist i always think about. there is a difference between being politically engaged and politically involved. lots of people like to go online and scream. it doesn't mean they are voting. when you do work getting future voters involved do you find the people posting online, do they actually tend to change people's votes or are they sort of yelling in an echo chamber? >> first of all, thank you so much for having me. listen, we know the most effective messages for people are from friends and classmates, people in real life. obviously social media is a phenomenal tool to spread their message, but at the end of the day it is the conversations people are having with their peers that will dictate how they vote. that is why we are building an incredible program that will have millions of conversations across the country at college campuses and at parties and bars, everywhere young people gather, about what the contrast is, because the contrast of the selection could not be more clear. >> one thing i've noticed a lot is that we have seen an interesting convergence with gen z voters. at one point there used to be a huge difference between what a college-educated 22-year-old cares about and someone working at walmart. now they have combined. the kid graduating college cares about minimum wage as much as the person making minimum wage. how does that change how we think about young people? it is not good enough to go to campus anymore. >> again, that is why we have to meet people wherever they are. whether that is at a school or a local library. whether that is at a starbucks or a bar. we need to meet young people wherever they are and have these conversations. volunteers, i know the biden campaign is working hard on this. they recruited thousands of young people that are not only being trained to have these conversations and talk about issues that matter to young people like the minimum wage, but also to convince them to vote because caring about these issues does nothing if you don't vote. >> taylor, i want to ask you this. it is very interesting because part of being young -- you have some influencers who say look, part of why i am not talking about joe biden anymore is because he has not called me this year. his campaign didn't reach out to me. some influencers say you know what, i can't believe that once i had been critical about the administrations behavior, they don't reach out to me anymore. how do you think strategically campaigns are addressing that? if you endorse someone once they criticize you, it is a lot harder to bring them back to vote, right? >> it is a huge mistake for any campaign to think that the internet is somehow separate from real life and these conversations and the sentiment on platforms like tiktok are shaping real-life political behavior. this is literally how we got donald trump. his ability to leverage the media and the internet. this is an important challenge for political messaging. content creators of said they don't care about being invited to the white house christmas party. what they want is accountability. these people worked incredibly hard to get biden elected in 2020 and now they have to answer to their following. a lot of these content creators are muslim or people of color and as you mentioned there is a great deal of solidarity among gen z where they have a lot of feelings or want to support each other and they see biden sending this aid to israel. they feel like they are living in a failed state where he is not addressing their needs. i don't know. there is a great story in the new york times saying biden has not cracked through to these online spaces and other candidates have. >> one of the things i noticed a lot of people i follow on tiktok and some i let my students direct me to, because okay, that is where you are getting your information from. there is a real fear sometimes. if i have 1 million dollars because i dance or a cook, sometimes those influencers are afraid to move out of that space and talk about an issue that matters to them. how well have elected officials been or have they failed in that area at convincing people to move out of their comfort zone? i saw someone yesterday who said look, i never talk about this, but let's talk about abortion today. is the administration realizing that you have to coax some of these people out of their comfort zone? >> absolutely. i think that is one thing the biden administration did a decent job of. when they did things like the vaccine rollout or the infrastructure initiative. i think a lot more content creators today are more comfortable talking politics than four years ago. what is hard is they are not aligned and the biden administration as you mentioned earlier they have not been willing to work with content creators who are critical and want to talk about gaza or covid or the tiktok ban and i think that is hurting them because these people drive the conversation. just the way that the white house is responsible to give fox news comments as much as they give us comment. the washington post is critical. they need to recognize these people are the new media. >> you guys are great. thank you both for joining us this evening. >> thank you. >> i am jason johnson in for chris hayes and one quick programming note. the latest episode of my podcast, a word with jason johnson, is out now. this week i'm joined by shaun williams, founder of a national organization writing stereotypes about black fathers including a new partnership with lego. it is a great conversation to build on now, to download and stream wherever you get your podcasts. that is all this friday night. chris will be back next week. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. >> jason, chris may be back, but will there be lego conversation when he gets back? i'm all in on that. >> i hope so. i'm sitting on legos now. it's the only way i could get in this chair. >> that is my life, i am always sitting on legos. have a great weekend. it's great to see you. on october 1, 2017 a uniquely american tragedy