challenges. the war between israel and hamas with thousands of palestinian civilians caught in the middle of what could become a much bigger war. the ongoing russian invasion of ukraine, deepening fears of what the china might invade taiwan while america is indirectly supporting two major wars. extreme political polarization around the world and here in america, not to mention a climate crisis that they're in the habitability of our very planet. so much is going wrong. so much there around us, which one is the most serious threat to global stability? none of the ones that i mentioned. the greatest threat to the stability of the world right now remains a twice impeached, what the bull indicted former president of this nation, donald trump, is the greatest threat that the world faces. here is why. those global crisis i mentioned actually hang in extremely delicate balance with president biden steady and on the wheel. as chaotic as things may seem right now after some, how much worse to take it with donald trump at the white house? he's on the case, joe biden's, with ukraine. he's re-developing a relationship with president xi and china. he sure has a night a lot of people at home with his israel policy, but he has created more space for an american president to influence israel than we have seen in a while. and he has a real commitment to solving the climate crisis. here is how those situations could play out with donald trump at the helm, according to a recent piece by the economists. quote, knowing that america would abandon erupt, mr. putin would have an incentive to fight on any crane and pick off former soviet countries such as moldova where the baltic states. without american pressure, israel is unlikely to generate an internal consensus for peace talks with the palestinians. by asserting that america has no global responsibility to help deal with climate change, mr. trump would crush efforts to slow it, and he is surrounded by china hawks, who believe confrontation is the only way to preserve american dominance. up between a deal making president and is warmongering officials, china could easily mascot the overtime, with catastrophic consequences. donald trump is quite literally on the wrong side of every global issue, and, ironically, every domestic issue. in particular, with his revisionist history version of the january 6th attack on the capital, he calls the rioters awaiting trial or sentencing, not prisoners, hostages. they would like nothing more than to whitewash the violence that day. in special counsel jack smith's case against him for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, donald trump even tried to have references to the violence on january six stricken from the indictment. and by extension, from the trial. but today, the judge tanya chutkan is saying, no, the ruling against donald trump's request to sanitize jack smith's indictment from the brutal reality of that day that we also. in their filing to judge chutkan, jack smith and his team argued that january 6th was, quote, the culmination of the defendants criminal conspiracies to overturn the legitimate results of the esential election, with a defendant directing a large and angry crowd, when he summoned to washington d.c., and a field would knowingly false claims of election fraud, to the capitol to obstruct the congressional certification proceeding, and quote. jack smith's filing makes a important point about the power of trump's words and his willingness to use the threat of violence to achieve his goals. just within the past few hours tonight, a colorado judge ruled that donald trump's january 6th speech led to the violence of that day. quote, the court findsat trump see lip speech incited imminent lawless violence. trump did so explicitly by telling the crowd repeatedly to fight and to fight like hell, to walk down to the capitol, and that they needed to take back our country through strength. he did so implicitly by encouraging the crowd that they could play by very different rules because of the supposed fraudulent election, and quote. the colorado judge did not go as far to block trump from appearing on the ballot in the case, saying, quote, establish that trump engaged in an insurrection on january 6th, 2021 through incitement, and that the first amendment does not protect trump's speech, and quote. it is more evidence, however, that when donald trump speaks, supporters listen. when he attacks judge chutkan, that sends a message to the people who were enthralled to him. jack smith and a steamer set to make arguments before a federal appeals court on about why the gag order on trump should remain in place, but in their filing on the issue, they want to, quote, shortly after being assigned to the case, thcourt itself received a racist death threats explicitly tied to the courts role in presiding over to defendants case. with the caller stating, among other things, if trump doesn't get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you, so tread lightly. and then a word that starts with a b and ends n h. you will be targeted personally, publicly, your family, all of it, and quote. hours after donald trump's gag order in the new york city front case temporarily paused, he went right back to attacking the justice clerk on social media, calling for political bias and out of control, and quote. in california is today, the man who attacked speaker nancy pelosi's husband with a hammer last year was convicted after a four-day trial, the stand in his trial, david -- the paper testified how french conspiracies, quote, awakened him to the truth. from there, he became supporter of mr. trump and a skeptic of the mainstream media. it came to believe in a vazquez percy theory that liberal elites for promoting pedophilia and spreading lies about mr. trump, and quote. donald trump's messages, they won that he verbalize is and the ones he doesn't, are being perceived. bear in mind, this is where things stand right now. it's november 2023. think about where we're headed next year. trump's civil fraud trial, the one we could see, have him hit with a nine figure fine and shattered to submit as a business tycoon. the money come up in the next few weeks. e. jean carroll's second defamation trial set to begin in january. shortly after that, jury selection will begin in jack smith's 2020 election case against him. the hush money case will be next spring. the classified documents case is kurt's goal for may, and this afternoon and atlanta, district attorney fani willis told the judge that she wants her case to begin on august 5th 2024, a date which trump and his legal team have already strenuously objected. much more on that in a moment. all of this is going to be happening while trump desperately campaign sector to get back into the white house. my point is this, do we back trump to be less or more crazy, as all this pressure ramps up? then we expect this most hard-core supporters on earth to be less or more crazy, as the threat of their leader -- the walls are closing in, and a cornered donald trump is a threat that cannot be ignored. joining us now is senior nbc news reporter ben collins, comes -- and it was vance, former united states attorney and official from the university of alabama school of law. thank you to both of you for being here. joyce, let me start with you. i want to start with the case in colorado, because i have been trying to figure out all night. i know about and it involved, i know nothing about a lot that i did not love learning in law and order. this one is confusing me a bit. i want to read to you about this. to be clear, part of the court's decision is its reluctance to embrace and interpretation which would disqualify presidential candidates without a clear unmistakable indication that such is the intent of section three. talking about the 14th amendment, section three at the constitution that said that if you have taken an oath to the constitution, and you engage in a selection, you will -- you cannot hold office again. can you tell us what this judge is talking about? >> yeah, it's a really interesting ruling, and i have to confess, this one caught me off guard too. because what the judge is saying is that under this provision of law, trump has to be an officer of the united states, when he previously took an oath and then engaged in insurrection. those are the conditions you have to me to be excluded from the ball. the judge making this tremendous finding that trump was actually involved and instructions but not ordered that he be removed from the ball, because i find he was not an officer of the united states. so that's a curious legal ruling. it will not go on appeal, and this will end up in the colorado supreme court. >> and one of these cases dealing with donald trump as it relates to the 14th amendment get to the supreme court of the united states before the election? every secretary of state and every state is watching this very carefully to understand, because okay pressured have donald trump taken off the ball or kept on the ball? and i think they want someone hired then them to make the decision. >> i think that that is absolutely right, because as a political matter, i think there is a lot of squeamishness about making the decision to take this election out of the hands of the voters. that seems to be what we saw animating the decision in colorado. the timing question is interesting one. appellate courts can move quickly when they want to, and other times, they can drag their feet. of course, the supreme court is not obligated to hear certain types of cases. so whether we actually get a decision from them or whether this rests on one of the state supreme courts, i think what to watch this proceed. >> ben collins, i saw you the other day, but it was not on tv, so it's not used to me. but i've been meaning to ask you about this because over the last month or so, maybe longer than a month, i've had people, whom we know, who watched donald trump close and said, what is going on with donald trump? he appears to be cracking under pressure. the main pressure seems to be this new york civil trial. but then, something else started to happen with donald trump, and he took his normal incendiary dictator like language, and it started to match up a very closely with things that adolf hitler has said, quite literally, using terminology that is not common terminology but used by hitler. we know that he used mussolini language in the past. bottom line, that stuff has been proved to have worked in the pass. calm people vermin, which hitler used for the jews. he's similar things were used in rwanda, calling people cockroaches. but this stuff works, and donald trump appears to be employing more. what's going on? >> his comms director, when pressed about this, said crushed their entire existence. because back into office. they're not being subtle about this anymore. i think very clearly, the circle has to end to loyalists. and those loyalists don't really care much, if there is violence implied or violence explicit at this point. that is what they're talking about. they're talking about round ups of immigrants in the country, once again back in place, he talked about camps, once they get back into the white house. and they're talking about 50,000 people off this inherently violent task, where there will be mistakes, special run by somebody like donald trump. this is the issue. we are facing and explicitly, authoritarian regime, and the people around him or people that will not leak stuff anymore. they're not going to disagree with him. they're not going to be somebody who tries to top down. they're going to try to find ways to enact those authoritarian tendencies, and those are inherently violent. >> joyce, we've heard this in some of the general six trials, the prisoners who donald trump called hostages. we heard the sunday trial at the guy who attacked then pelosi's husband, who is then awake into these ideas that he did not know about and came to follow donald trump. this is kind of what we worry about, people talking about a civil war, i'm not sure if we have architects working against one another, in 2020. for i certainly hope that we don't, but there is this problem, to what degree when people testify about things they believe donald trump and his henchmen say. are they responsible for another. how do you deal with this? >> so these are complicated problems. portrait them fall within nickel territory. sometimes, even have criminal prosecution. other times, this falls within political sphere of influence. i think anyone who is rational, who looks at trump's inability to curb his language and his rhetoric, knowing that it's dangerous for people would find that he is not fit to be in office. you know the intersection of a lot of this is the work that the fbi does on homegrown violent extremism. it is something that law enforcement is very skilled in dealing with. obviously, there was an issue, where it took law enforcement a little while longer than initiative to make the turn from foreign terrorism to domestic terrorism. but now, knowing that it's an issue, there's every reason to be alert to this, and if the occasion arises, for trump or anyone else can be held accountable, i think it will be. we saw that happen in the january six proceedings with some of the radical militia groups, who now spend essentially the rest of their lives in prison. those tools are there. they have to be employed. >> what does that do to the cause such as there is one, ben, about radical extremists? some very private people are going to jail for the rest of their useful life? others -- almost see themselves as martyrs to a cause. what does that do because we know, we've seen in other parts of the world, when you throw the book at people like that, it is not always intend to get rid of the movement? is the movement weaker shocker now as a result of the fact that some people have been punished for criminal activity on the behest of donald trump? >> i think there are some people who will fan on january 6th and walked out realizing they have done something wrong. but i think that's not the majority of them. and i think donald trump said he would release political prisoners, that's not what they are but and a 2024 trump administration, all bets are off. they will probably be pardoned. in this instance. and that might be what happens -- >> some of them want to be captain secretaries. >> and i want to make it clear. david -- he very clearly outlines that he had a hit list. it wasn't just nancy pelosi. it was hunter biden, gavin newsom, and also a gender studies professor. he heard about him from a right-wing podcast, because he learned about him from playing video games all day. if you think this is not going to affect just random people, your sorely mistaken. when the far-right machine, pro trump machine gets its hoax into people. once it decides somebody's the enemy. whether they're a private citizen or public citizen. they'll join and. and once it becomes weaponized and the gloves come off, the idea your protected because nobody knows who you are, you are one weird outrage campaign away from being -- >> yeah, that's a good warning. good at punishment to a soul. thank you to you both, my friends. joyce vance and ben collins, appreciate you both joining us. throws of this program are very familiar with eugene vindman, the star of the first trump impeachment. now his twin brother, eugene vindman, the guy who reported the phone call his brother overheard is running for congress. because as we have discussed, the most important issue in 2024 is democracy itself. the candidate, eugene vindman, joins me next. warning civilians to clear out, while hamas forces them back. allowing in food and water, which hamas steals. my mom's life is the most important thing to me. hi mom! i called my mom, "i have this gene and i think you 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(♪♪) i was on a work trip when the pulmonary embolism happened. but because i have 23andme, i was aware of that gene. that saved my life. >> this week, it manhattan district attorney alvin bragg made clear -- , donald trump posted a law that he would repeat for years. tweeting, i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. end quote. a complete and total and dangerous night. and it was the infamous july 25th, 2019 phone call between donald trump and ukraine's brains new elected president volodymyr zelenskyy. donald trump asked president zelenskyy to investigate the van presidential candidate joe biden and his son hunter with help fm dy giuliani. this week, the new york times reports that ukraine has, quote, accused two politicians and a former prosecutor of treason, saying they colluded with a russian until june's agency and aiding and effort but rudolph w. giuliani. the charges referred to information subversive activities and focus on actions in 2019 before the american presidential election. and. quote my next guest, the retired army colonel eugene vindman blew the whistle on the coal leading to donald trump's first impeachment trial, for which his twin brother alexander vindman who was actually on the coal was the star witness. eugene vindman is now running for congress. in a statement, eugene vindman said he is running to defend our nation against a clear and present danger of donald trump and the 140 different members of congress who voted to overthrow that will of the american people. end quote. joining me now, retired united states army colonel, eugene vindman. democratic congressional candidate running to serve virginia's seventh district. so, this is the first time we've told and this context. and i'm excited to hear that for all the stuff that joyce ins ben and i told about in the first block of the show, you, too, have been politicized by donald trump. but in every different way. >> i have, ali. and great to see you. this is the first time we're talking endless context, but let me report the most significant activity tonight was that we just finished our and of jason soccer game here. the parents beat the girls, and so we maintain our dignity. so i got to enjoy that with our neighbors. but to your point, 2019, starting in 2016, before, we saw the activities of a corrupt, fraudulent, former president that continued and frankly culminated in the attack on the capital on january 6th. and it didn't stop there. as i mentioned in that statement, 147 members of congress supported the president. these extremists, to overturn the election. and if we thought that chapter was close, it's not. because in 2024, donald trump is likely to be on the ballot again. democracy is on the line again. and the american people must take a stand. and i'm really heartened, and the last day or so, i announced yesterday, there has been such migrants will of support. for the thousand individual donations, almost 1 million dollars raised in 48 hours. on if it's a record, but it's got to be pretty close. that's because the american people understand that democracy is on the line. and frankly, they don't necessarily want to elect a politician. i've been merry things in my life. a paratrooper. at that. a prosecutor. a war crimes investigator. and now i'm a candidate for the first time. and this is odd for me to be in a position of trying to learn politics. >> one of the things we learned last tuesday, in the elections, there is a whole bunch of people, particularly at the local level, who are learning politics. they got out there, got fit up with what they were seeing out there, and took it into their own hands. you and your brother, alexander, the hard part is over. the hard part was the date your broiler came into your office and the white house and told you what he heard on a phone call. there is one kind of brother who would have said, keep that one under your hat, this is not a fight worth getting into. but you and your brother made a commitment. you said, something brand has happened and you're going to fix it. you're going to do it. it cost you a lot. you had president trump going after you and your solution is not to be vindictive. not preventable. it's to get involved in politics. >> absolutely. frankly, it wasn't a choice. neither alex or i saw this as a choice. we were army officers. i was also a lawyer. i had professional responsibility obligations. we had a military duty to report the call. we didn't spend a great deal of time thinking about it. we knew how the gravity of what the president intended to do, extort a foreign leader, but we didn't spend a great deal of time thinking about it because we had a duty to blow the whistle on it. it didn't matter he happened to be the most powerful person on the planet. we had a duty and we were going to before that duty. now i have a new mission. and i'm called to represent the people of the virginia seventh congressional district. my neighbors that we just played a great soccer game, and i know your daughters won't necessarily forgive us. it was a heartbreaker. but we care about the same things. i'm adapt. the parents out on that field, they care about their daughters. there was a group of girls making sure that our daughters have the same rights their moms enjoyed. we have schools that work, that are safe. we have infrastructure that works and government that works. there is a place for government and wait a government that works and not more chaos and congress, where you have one party that can't even, when they have a majority, seem to govern. >> colonel, i've learned a lot about a lot of different things from you. looking for to learning about this campaign and how you go and it. thank you again for the service you have provided this country until now and we'll be watching very closely to see how this proceeds. colonel eugene vindman is not a candidate, wants to be the candidate for the democratic 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(♪♪) reporting some internet and phone service is restaurant and gaza, after the arrival of organs fuel shipments. israel has agreed to allow fuel into gaza every 48 hours after days of pressure from the united states, including phone calls from secretary of state antony blinken. fuel shipments or critical in gaza because their eligibility is powered by fuel, they don't have normal electricity distribution. it powers basic utilities, hospitals ended with casualties and the internet. you and top official overseeing palestinian refugees has were, and the lack of fuel is jeopardizing the entire architecture of the man hurt response in gaza. and that raw sewage is now flowing in the streets. what treatment plant doesn't work without feel either. the world food program reports, cases of malnutrition and dehydration and gaza are increasing rapidly and by the day and people in gaza are barely able to have one military. senior spokesperson added, quote, some people have resorted to consuming raw onions, uncooked eggplant, whatever they could get their hands on. the u.n. security council is now calling for, quote, humanitarian pauses and corridors throughout the gaza strip for a sufficient number ofays to enable consistent with international humanitarian law, the full, rapid, safe, and unhindered humanitarian access for you and humanitarian agencies, and quote. today, israel's military continued its search for several hospitals and northern gaza, sick tunnels, weapons, and at least one vehicle or found. israeli military has not provided any definitive evidence hamas commanders are beneath al-shifa and other hospitals. a claim that has been met by israeli and american officials, and one hospital doctors have denied. israel's military says the fight of two hostages were found and gaza city. 65-year-old -- -- who lived and a kibbutz near the border with gaza. 19 year olds -- was found earlier this week. all the time a population of chipotle million people, over health, 1.6 million people have been displaced and gaza, now. they're not in their homes. around 12,000 people have been killed since this conflict began in gaza, according to the gaza health ministry. nbc cannot independently verify those numbers. joining us now from -- is a journalist noga tarnopolsky. noga, i want to ask you about the one topic i haven't touched on yet. the hostages that were demonstrations and released today in favor of the release of hostages. there continues to be tall that there is some sort of deal in play to get some of that women and children out, perhaps, in an exchange for prisoners held by the israelis. i don't know what to make sense, how to make sense of whether that's real or not. do you? >> hi ali. i don't know, but the israeli national security adviser -- had every late press conference on friday, and he said flat out, there is no deal. >> got it. >> i assume something may be discussed, but we don't have more than that. >> got it. watch the mood on that at the moment? i've been talking to some families, i know you have, of people have been taken hostage. they continue to feel this is not being taken as a priority. >> for most of them, i think it's way above, beyond prosecuting the war with hamas. they were saying very explicitly, we don't care about destroying hamas, we want to get your families back. there is a growing desperate edge to these plays. you saw on these images, thousands of people marching. family members, supporters, up to jerusalem. tomorrow night, sets a night, in jerusalem there is going to be what i expect is a pretty raw and pretty massive rally of these family members outside the office of the prime minister in jerusalem. were some of the toughest problems have been held. and i have to say, there is been two pieces of really bad news that came in just at the end of friday. hamas released a video which has not been broadcast, which purport to shut one of these hostages, 86-year-old area zelenovich dead. and his family is among the families marching. and in a really heartbreaking tyrion, the government of tanzania announced, apparently using information received from the israeli army, that a student, claimants felix am ten, 22, a tanzanian student captured and taken hostage by hamas also captured and taken by hamas on october 7th and they're working to repatriate his buddy from israel. >> we rely on you so much for your analysis and your news on this one. and we have been relying on you for the last year because of all the complexity with what goes on in israel. we thank you again, thank you for staying up late for us again. tonight noga tarnopolsky, a journalist based in israel. if you don't follow her, you should. joining us now is nicholas kristof, pulitzer prize-winning journalist and author. new york times columnist, his latest times column is titled what we get wrong about israel and gaza. in and of itself, nick, it's amazing. but the importance of talking to you is there is valid criticism i see out there which say fare are all sorts of people suffering all over the world, how pumped the world so interested in this one and not the others. my only answer is nick kristoff. because you sadly have gone and chronicled most if not all of the people around the world who are defeated, beleaguered, punished, under civil war or in humanitarian crisis. >> ali, i've covered a lot of international crises and their oldest broken in their own way. i would say covering this one has been particularly disconcerting. partly because, frankly, i think it's going to get worse before it maybe gets even worse. and you just have the sense that, you know, israel has already been shattered and it is a torment to continue the war in gaza. i think that's likely to continue to unfold. and i'm told there is just -- it's horrifying. i've been in touch with a man in gaza who describes how he and his children are eating leaves now. defecating in the open. it's decreed dayton. this is a scholar. the degradation there. the west bank. the west bank is still on edge. i really laurie fit the risk of explosions there -- you have to wonder if the west bank is that on age, the situation in jordan and the risk of instability in the kingdom of jordan. >> the kingdom of jordan which is popular by a majority of people who are palestinians. i want to read from your column. you said, the first myth is in the conflict of the middle east, there is a right on one side and around on the other. even if people disagree about which is which. life isn't that neat. the tragedy of the middle east is this as a crutch -- clash of pride versus right. that does not excuse hamas massacre instead forgery or israel's leveling off and her neighborhood and gaza. underlying the conflict are certainly legitimate aspirations that deserve to be fulfilled. you have said something that is so important. that people have said from the beginning of -- there are two sides and my response is there are safe and if not 17 sides of this. but the two sides we can absolutely talk about is the israelis deserve and a spark to live in peace and prosperity, and the palestinians deserve to live in peace and prosperity. and, that they have more in common than i have a part. >> absolutely. and one of the tragedies of this is as we've become polarized, instead of upholding one's own side, people demonize the other. and in truth, h side has real rights that should be respected. it's astonishing what israel has achieved. and it should be recognized that israel, it gives its arab citizens of israel more rights than almost any other arab country gives its arab citizens. and i think, frankly, there is something of a double standard. and if people are more likely to pounce on israel's abuses of human rights than they are of syria, yemen, morocco and western sahara. take your pick. certainly, china. and yet, none of that negates that palestinians also deserve freedom, dignity, a state. and they certainly don't deserve to have their neighborhoods bombed into smithereens and have a dead roaming the rubble to find leave to scrounge to feed his children. >> there is much more than what you've even told us here in the column, for anybody who hasn't read it i encourage you to. and if you have raided, i encourage you to do social media for something good. let people write this column. it's really important. thank you for being with us, nicholas kristof, new york times opinion columnist. coming up, to activists who inspired meet with your flight and success around reproductive and menstruation issues. that's next. that's next. honey... honey... nyquil severe honey. powerful cold and flu relief with a dreamy honey taste. nyquil honey, the nighttime, sniffing, sneezing, couging, aching, fever, honey-licious, best sleep with a cold, medicine. ♪♪ we're not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. ♪♪ we're not an airline, but our network connects global businesses across nearly 160 markets. ♪♪ we're not a startup, 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congressional freedom caucus in march, meeting that the new york times reported to discuss among other things, stripping out requirements for insurance companies to cover maternity, newborn and pregnancy care, and quote. here, of course, is the crew that overturned roe v. wade. i did a flash of pointy ears of u.s. policy around reproduction, and in all of those things i showed you, there was one woman in the focus, one. and that is the idea behind periodical, which is not about abortion but touches on just about every aspect of reproduction, they bring these issues, which affected majority of the population for most of their lives, from the first period to menopause out into the open, including some issues that affect reproduction, which he might not have thought about, like taxes. >> activism lights a fire under my booty every morning i wake up. it's like, wake up and show equity. i think it's because it's something that is so natural to our bodies. like this is, i can change it, like i can change, so i got to learn to love it. in learning to love it, finding out that i did not pay tax on it. >> tampons are subject to sales tax in 38 states because they are not classified as medical necessities. yeah, some dandruff shampoos, lip balms and condoms are. >> why this is unconstitutional is because one is being taxed for their natural bodily function, and that breaks the equal protection clause because chief we, not a free woman, our pain the burden of the tampon tax. >> we're going to michigan, we have a whole rally planned to put that pressure on lawmakers to act and pass the bill to repeal the michigan tampon tax, so that michigan becomes the will -- to repeal this discriminatory tax. >> i am nervous but also excited. >> these are two of the jen z activists featured in the film during the fight to take down the tampon tax. madeleine morales and will anusha singh join us in a few moments. but it's worth repeating that simple fact that women make up 50% of the working population in united states, make up with the 8% of people in congress, and they make up 0% of the people that have ever been president of the country. if there were women in the room with experience, we want to deal with nonsense like tampon tax is. joining us now are the two activists whose work and friendship is featured in periodical. madeleine morales is a law student, she's on the left. anusha singh is a medical student, she's on the right. madeleine, i heard in the movie that sparkle as your favorite color. i am wearing my first ever pin on tv. we have a friend joe unpacks who always wears a pin. this is my first one. it is, if you recognize it, it's a uterus. >> that, it is. i got a matching one on my backpack. >> part of it is that this is not a typical thing for a guy to her, typical topic for a guy to talk about on tv, and that is part of the problem, right? most of us did not know that there was a tampon tax and can't imagine why there would have been one, but that is partially because guys -- >> exactly, and i think to your point, it's important for everyone to watch this movie, whether they be women, men, non-binary people, just because this is about menstrual rights, and onshore rights are about human dignity. everyone deserves a chance to enjoy a biological experience with the stigma, shame or an additional tax. >> anusha singh, what does success look like. i know in the case of michigan, you and madeleine worked hard to get the downtown tax repealed. i am sure that starting point. what does this look like to you as a budding medical professional for people to understand menstruation and get into the mainstream? >> that's a really good question. to me, that looks like not feeling shamed talking about such a normal issue, normal biological process around demonstration. how are we ever going to pass and repeal these discriminatory laws like the tampon tax, if our own lawmakers and the people feel embarrassed to talk about their periods, right? i think that is true both anti-doctor's office, making patients feel comfortable talking about stigmatized issues like natural health. that is going to lead to the cultural change necessary to pass some of these discriminatory laws, by making ourselves feel more comfortable, talking about these issues. that is going to happen, through having conversations like this, with both demonstrators but also non-mentors, like yourself, probably wearing that period pen on your blazer. that's how we're going to do this. >> let's talk about this, anusha hinted at it, madeleine. obviously, in the medical environment, anusha has a good checklist of things that can happen between doctors and patients, male or female. but in the outside political world, what does success look like? have you seen changes in the way that people talk about periods and all the stuff around them, things like tampon tax? or are we just going to see that now that we are launching this movie, and people are going to be able to watch? >> there's definitely been progress in the last few years. we're down to only 21 states having a tax on tampons and other menstrual products. however, shame and stigma breed insulin, so i think without comprehensive sexual education in schools, without parents talking to children about it, without schools educating students, there is going to be a lot of shame and stigma, which then is the mindset of the next generation of lawmakers. i think what is really important is to be able to talk about these issues, carry your menstrual product proudly through the hallways, and talk to both boys and girls about menstruation from a young age, in a very biological months. a >> anusha, i had to ask you, reproductive rights have been on the battle over the place, but no or more in michigan, where a teen at the top of the ticket brought people out to reproductive issues.because does that help? does the representation matter, the fact that there were strong women at the top of the ticket machine? >> absolutely. i think talking about this issue is the largest barrier that we face him casting these policies, having champions that are proud, proud to champion this cause really helps it. we even saw in ohio recently, where ohio voted to preserve access to abortion and reproductive rights. a few months prior, ohio passed legislation that my team worked on for free products in all public schools, allocating $5 million. we're seeing that all of these conversations, that we're having with lawmakers, that is starting to change, culture and leading to some more progressive policies that we're seeing, on whether it's menstrual, and our reproductive rights, which i think are connected to each other. >> very connected. thanks to both of you for your activism on this one, you're actually changing the world for us. when madeleine morales is a lawsuit and activists. anusha singh it's a medical student and activists. thank you for joining us. the last word is next. the last word is 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