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office is now reviewing the hostages slated for release by hamas today. this morning, an interview with kristen walker on and as somebody sees -- said the administration has, quote, reason to believe one american hostage will be released today. yesterday, hamas released 17 hostages, 13 israelis, four thai citizens. israel released 39 palestinian prisoners, according to the israeli prison authority. that exchange was delayed for several hours after hamas accused israel of violating the terms of that temporary truce. a diplomat telling nbc news a qatari operations team is located in tel aviv to ensure the deal continues to run smoothly. meanwhile, love much needed humanitarian aid trucks continue to enter into gaza. joining me now, nbc news correspondent, erin mclaughlin in tel aviv, israel. erin, good morning. national security adviser, jake sullivan, saying one american may be among those hostages released today. take a quick listen to his interview from earlier on meet the press. >> you expect american hostages to be released today? >> well, kristen, the initial hostage deal involves the release of women and children. there are three americans in that category, two women, and one young child. we have reason to believe that one of those americans will be released today. but until we see her out, safely from gaza, in the hands of the authorities and ultimately in the hands of her family, we will not be certain. >> erin, you're over in that region, what have you heard? is there a process of notifying the families of these hostages that will be released? >> hey, katie. well, we have been speaking to families of hostages still being held inside of gaza. they describe this detailed process by which they get notified that their loved one may be among those released. at four pm the day prior, according to one family member, he says that they all get a phone call, every single family member gets a call from israeli officials, letting them know whether or not their loved ones are on the list to be released the next day. one family member describing the call as russian roulette. another one saying that with each release, it gives them hope for the next release, and the next release. this is a harrowing process because even if they're told that their loved one is going to be released, is going to be on the list, they do not know for sure until that loved one is handed over to israeli officials. i've been speaking to a spokes person earlier this morning, she says the process for today's hostage exchanges underway. she was underscoring the fragility of this process, releasing a statement saying, these are operations that are delegated, complicated, and one can never be absolutely certain they will take place given all of the complexities. right now this is a region very much holding its breath to see if this exchange doesn't fight go forward today, katie. >> nbc's correspondent, eric mclaughlin, live in tel aviv, thanks for being here, appreciate it. joining me now for more this conversation, former ambassador of israel to the united kingdom, mark revive, now serves as a senior adviser to israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. ambassador, national security adviser, jake sullivan, saying un-american maybe among those released today. talk about what it takes to get an american hostage out of the situation that clearly is a conflict between israel and hamas. >> first of all, we'd like them to all come out immediately, all the hostages. they should all be released immediately and unconditionally, but hamas does not play that game. with the help of the biden administration, we negotiated a deal that allows for 50 people to be released over a period of four days. so far, we have received two groupings of 13, which totals 26. this means there is another that hamas has committed to release in the next two days. as you know, the priorities that were negotiated were for women and children. you're national security adviser told nbc this morning, there are three americans in that category, we hope to see them in the coming two days. >> ambassador, is this just buying time for hamas to regroup and to live to fight another day? we all know that israel is at the conclusion of this four-day cease-fire, still made it very clear that it's going to pursue its military targets in gaza. >> that's correct, this is a pause in the fight against hamas to get our people out. you have to remember that the framework deal that was agreed to, we're willing to extend this pause for the release of the hostages, there's actually a formula in place that says for an extra day of the pause, ten hostages will be released, and another ten, and so one. if hamas decides that it wants to extend the pause, the pause will be extended. all they have to do is release hostages, that's one of the major goals of our operation. the pause in the operation is to allow that to happen, to allow hostages to be released. it's only a pause in the operation. in the end, we have no choice but to eliminate hamas. after the violence we saw them commit on october 7th, and their petered statements of hamas leaders that given the chance, given the opportunity, given the capability, they would only repeat the massacre of october 7th, in their words, they said, again, and again, and again. our goal remains the same. the dismantling of the hamas military regime, the end of the ruling gaza. ultimately, that's good for israel, for obvious reasons, but it's also good for the people of gaza who deserve better than this regime, this terror regime that's been rolling the gaza strip for the last 16 years and has brought the palestinians there nothing but poverty, punishment, and bloodshed. they deserve better too. >> ambassador, in the prior hour, during an interview with aaron david miller, he indicated that part of the complications in the negotiation between israel and hamas, and with a full understanding of hamas is a terrorist organization, to the extent that can be done in good faith, the complication comes from the fact there is no direct negotiations. you have qataris, you have americans, you have other kind of people that are involved with this process, do you agree with that assessment that because it's not a direction negotiation that that is further complicating issues? >> no, i don't believe so. obviously it can become diluted at times in that we talk to the americans, the americans talk to the connector ease, the qatar people talk to the hamas people in gaza. i'm not sure there is another way to do it in this stage, the egyptians have also tried to be helpful. the fact remains that hamas is a terrorist organization, like ices, like al-qaeda. the idea that we would have diplomatic conversations with a terrorist group is unacceptable. obviously, we wouldn't. here, we're using the qatari government, they have relatis with hamas. they actually host hamas leadership in their country. they told the world, when people criticize them for hosting terrorists, people in israel in the united states have criticize them for it, they say, our relationship with hamas, it brings benefits. this is their opportunity to show that, yes, the relationship with hamas brings benefits. if they bring up 50 hostages through their relationship, people in israel say, yes, that has helped. once again, the proof in the pudding is in the -- world waiting to see what will happen after the fourth day. well hamas pursue the option of extending the humanitarian pause and release another ten hostages. ultimately, we're willing for, that we're not sure what hamas wants to do. as you see, every day, they've been causing problems. last-minute setbacks, last-minute postponements, we've never had the hostages released on time. we'll see what happens today. that is hamas. i've said, i'll say it now, anyone who's dealing with hamas, you have to have nerves of steel. they're extremely difficult to deal with, very brutal and fanatical terror organization. i'll say one, thing to the other. they have no compulsion about killing the innocent, they have no trouble about killing the truth either. sometimes their statements have no relationship whatsoever to reality. as president biden said in these press conferences on friday, we don't trust hamas, but we believe that they will function under pressure. the pressure of a renewed israeli military operation against them, we were, up until this pause, we were destroying the military machine, we were limiting the senior commanders, they were having blow after blow, they were receiving from the israeli military. i think that was the important push that made them go for the humanitarian pause because they understood that was the only way they can get a timeout. i believe, if we keep the thrill of the pressure up, if need be, we apply the pressure n,heest way to facilitate the release of hostages. >> we are on day three of a day for cease-fire, we'll see whether not hamas puts its money where its mouth is, it releases the hostages today. ambassador mark -- thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll continue to bring in the very latest with the israel hamas temporary cease-fire and hostage deal throughout the day here on msnbc. and still to come, my sunday morning power political panel on the looming move on capitol hill to boot and battle representative george santos out of congress. plus, long shot presidential candidate, dean phillips, under fire for his disparaging comments about vice president kamala harris. we'll talk about it next. harris. we'll talk about it next we'll talk about it next >> teeth sensitivity is so common. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patients say you know doc, it really works. the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch. built with rotisserie-style chicken and double cheese. i love what i'm seeing here. that's some well-coached chicken. you done, peyton? 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all be the only one expelled without a conviction. ll be expelled because people simply did not like me, because theythought that they didn't want me, i'm too much of an outsider. >> joining me now, jennifer reuben, washington post opinion writer and the author of resistance, how women changed democracy from donald trump. and juanita tyler, msnbc political analyst a -- good morning to both of you. jennifer, i like to start with you. what does it say about the state of the gop that they're willing to vote george santos off the island but they'll keep mtg and lauren boebert? >> well, it is pretty interesting, i think it shows that its ideology and mega subservience above all. no matter what you've done, so long as they are devoted maga person and pay homage to donald trump, you can stay. however, if you're an embarrassment and kind of a non supporter or a lukewarm supporter, or doing nothing for the cause, off you go, off the island. i'm a little bit surprised or even willing to get rid of him since their numbers are very small in the house and the loose one seat. i'll take it. getting rid of someone like george santos, it's at least to start. from there, we can talk about other people who need to go. >> juanita, i can play a little bit more of santos's wild conversation from this weekend. take a quick listen. >> i was, as we joke around a law in my circles, were like, oh my god, you are the it girl, everybody wanted you, until nobody wanted me. within the ranksf e united states congress, the'felons galore, there is people with all sorts of shy steep backgrounds, and all of a sudden, george santos is the mary magdalena of the united states congress. >> juanita, any chance george santos survives this vote to expel him from congress? >> absolutely not. you've seen republicans who did resist expelling him in the previous two attempts, saying they change their mind due to this ethics report. george santos seems to be coming to terms with that reality of being expelled. he's clearly not gonna go kicking and screaming. i do question him being an integral, i don't think he ever checked that box within the republican party, he was merely the extra vote, as jen reuben pointed, out the margins were slim. the reality is, george santos has caused even more shame to come to the republican party than someone like marjorie taylor greene. that's really really shocking. i do think that this vote for expulsion does align with what george santos's current constituents want, as polling has showed, 75% of them want him out of congress. i do expect him to, again, go kicking and screaming. -- these other claims about republicans, he should honestly let somebody else do it, considering he has absolutely no credibility at this point. >> sounded more like extortion to me, what do i know? jennifer, more important business for lawmakers other than expelling george santos. when they retn from the holiday break, keeping the government funded past the deadline for the new year. speaker mike johnson, when he's not running down to mar-a-lago to kiss the ring, running into the same problems crawling works remembers of his party that mccarthy had. i mean, jennifer, you had a really great piece on the 19th of november about how democrats are the true majority in the house. so, what do you see happening as we approach these new deadlines for government funding to be shut down? >> well, the reason i say that it's the democrats were acting like the majority, ostensibly, mike johnson wants to keep the government running, but he has to rely on democrats to do it. nt running, but hethey've done h when we reached the deadline for funding the government. i think the real question is whether he wants to once more take the wrath of the right rear land democrats to, again, extend the government, or whether he feels compelled to actually shut down the government, which i think would be disastrous for republicans, particularly those who are in swing districts, those 18 who are in districts that joe biden won in 2020. don't forget, there is another factor in here which is they have to decide whether they want to fund ukraine and israel. for people who keep saying they love israel, they still haven't committed to a funding package. that's another issue there. whether they will vote on both simultaneously to the chagrin of the far-right or whether they will have to break those two apart, it remains to be seen. >> juanita, interesting sound coming out of retiring senator mitt romney, making headlines following a recent cbs interview, saying he would vote for most of the republican field for president, except for trump or vivek ramaswamy. i question that judgment still. he would even consider some democrats good. does romney reflect the views of other republicans out there? is he just another lawmaker on his way out, so, he thinks it's okay to say this? >> i think he's another lawmaker on the way out. let's be real, the people who have flocked to trump, been with him since 2016, they're not going anywhere. any republicans who wanted an ramprom trump got that an 18, 20, and january 6th, as well as 2022. i don't see much additional movement coming from their. i do think what mitt romney is saying might have some sway with independent voters who might be on the fence here. might be looking to 2024 to make another change or independent voters who had been on the fence here but also considering which democrats support, knowing you have folks like -- in the race. i think him saying this -- i am also looking at the single issue voters. romney saying this, with the underlying things associate with protecting our democracy at play here, we know there is the single issue voters out there who are looking at that and who may hear what mitt romney says, again, those independents, and then side with a different crowd in 2024. >> jennifer, quickly, before we have to go, make this make sense to me, long shot never gonna make it democratic contender, dean phillips, announcing, i'm not gonna run for reelection, i'm gonna run for president, got himself into hot water when he unfairly, in my opinion, one after kamala harris with zero attribution to some critics that are out there in some land of fiction. why is dean phillips doing what he's doing right now? >> it's sheer ego. somebody somewhere, some donors said they would give him money to run, some consultant, in this case, steve schmidt convinced him, oh, you can do well, pay lots of money, i'll help you do it. it's sheer ego, it's sheer greed, it is a racist, unfair attack on the vice president. he has crashed and burned wherever he has gone, making one -- after another. i suppose we can say, good riddance from the congress, he's not gonna do anything in the democratic primary. it just shows you how egotistical, how easily swayed these people are when you dabble a little bit of compliments and a little bit of money in front of their noses. >> sounds like george santos. jennifer reuben, juanita tolliver, my sunday morning power political panel, thanks for being here, i appreciate it. >> coming up next, released round three, the latest on the israel-hamas war, what we're hearing from the white house about the third scheduled release of hostages slated for later today. will americans be on that list? 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morning with national security adviser, jake sullivan, revealing on meet the press that the biden administration has reason to believe one american hostage may be released today. joining me now live from nantucket is nbc news senior white house correspondent, kelly o'donnell. kelly, good morning. what more can you share with viewers about president biden's role in this truce for the potential for an american hostage to be released today? >> well, that is an encouraging sign coming from not only jake sullivan, but other senior officials who are clearly engaged in this process and know the diplomacy that has brought about a release of hostages primarily israelis, up until this point. the president has been on the phone, as you indicated, he spoke with the premiere, i'm sorry, the amir and the prime minister of qatar. he spoke with the israeli prime minister, the president of egypt. those conversations have been engaging and direct. there have been multiple briefings to the president during his time here in nantucket. the expectation today is that there are as many as three americans who qualify under the terms of this deal, this multi day deal, which is the release of hostages in exchange for prisoners held by israel and also the component of humanitarian aid going into gaza. women and chdren are the only captives who are qualifying for this. as many as ten americans have the potential to be held hostage. the u.s. acknowledges they do not know the current location or health or status of all ten. they know about these three, two women and a four-year-old girl. the administration is telling us they have reason to believe today the exchange will include at least one american. so, this could play out over several hours, we've seen that being the tempo over the past couple of days. yesterday, there was, in fact, a delay and the president got involved, got on the phone, urging the parties to resolve whatever hurdles where there. so, everyone involved in this is advising caution that not knowing until the hostages are secured, until the red cross has possession of, them is able to transport them, that everything is really fragile, that makes sense, we've seen that with their own eyes over the last few days. there is more to go. big question will be, does this open the opportunity for an extended pause in fighting? that's undetermined at this point. the deal, as it is constructed, it's meant to be four days. the president will certainly be continuing these conversations. if an american is released, we would expect to hear more from the administration about next steps. katie? >> nbc news senior white house correspondent, kelly macdonald, thank you so much for that latest, we appreciate it. while the four-day cease-fire agreement is already brought home 26 israeli hostages from gaza, many fear the deal is simply allowing hamas to regroup and strengthen as efforts against israel. joining me now, the director of international institute for counterterrorism at -- university and retired idf colonel, mary eisen. colonel, thank you for joining the show. what does this 40 cease-fire mean for hamas's ability to regroup and potentially receive aid and additional weapons to be able to continue in this war? >> hamas has been building their capabilities for over a decade. i don't think we always understand what that means, that they rolled over the gaza strip for 16 years. that's a long time period. first of all, i think for them, it's to really go and assess what israel has destroyed in our over three weeks on the ground operation, let alone with the aerial campaign is as well, they're going in, there is assessing. only now are they starting to put out an additional list, a very high ranking hamas terrorist were killed by israel in the last three weeks. they themselves didn't know that. what we're seeing in that sense is that in the northern gaza strip, where israel has been intensely campaigning, they're gonna be looking, trying to put together booby trap in, going back and seeing where israel's deployed to try and hinder any capability of israel wants to go back and continue the ground operation. the second thing they're going to be doing is there, i don't wanna say looking their wounds, that sounds too terrible, but they, right now, in that sense, are regrouping in central southern gaza strip. we've been in the ground operation targeting the very systematic, slow way, the different hamas battalions. i use a military term, that are in the northern gaza strip. the parallel runs are in the central and south. they're gonna be learning the lessons of how the idf does the campaign, of how we try to avoid the civilian casualties. i say that because, to me, they're gonna be building up, as much as possible, the civilians to be their defense. that's a horrible horrible thing. >> colonel, something that hasn't been talked about lately, but is still on a low simmer, the northern part of israel, hezbollah, with lebanon, they've kind of given some low-level participation. i heard a great podcast they were part of, we were talking with the low level participation that hezbollah has been giving so far, could be building to provide more support to hamas. is that a valid concern for israel at this time? >> katie, when you bring that up, and i want to tell everybody out there, right now, there are tens of thousands of israelis, tens of thousands who are not living in their town, in their village, in their community because of the hamas war against israel down south, because of the hezbollah. i like the term, war of attrition, against the -- until i'm including last friday, the day that we started with this pause, -- to fire into israel, in these last few days when there is a pause down south, they've continued to fly in, unmanned aerial vehicles into israel. they do so to gather information. they have done so with what we call the suicide attack, different type of drones. this is something that's going on continuously. and, in addition, we also have further away forces that continue to attack us, both the -- from yemen and piracy in the persian gulf. so, israel is on attack, a lot of different places, not just from hamas and in this ground operation down south. >> a major complication, the defensive and oz -- elaborate tunnel system, may hold hostages, has progress been made? investigating hamas's ability to continue to use this tunnel system, still safeguarding the lives of hostages that are being held? >> i'm gonna give the worst example possible, especially on a sunday, i think here in new york, but think of it, like we're looking at the greater subway system of new york, we've been very effective against the subway in the bronx, but we really haven't done a lot on the subway system in manhattan. i know, that's a horrible way, but i want people to understand the challenge right now. we're working in one area where there are these paramilitary italians of hamas in the northern gaza strip. they built this whole subterranean arena throughout the gaza strip. as i said before, 16 years of building such a system, it means that they have hundreds of miles of these underground subterranean tunnels, both to hold the hostage isn't, but overwhelmingly further tens of thousands of paramilitary terrorist fighters. yes, still a challenge, we've been very effective up north, and i say it because, to me, it's clear, we're gonna have to continue to work in the central and in the south. everybody kind of feels, you know, there is a pause right now. this is a humanitarian pause. they kidnapped, hostage, brutalized, and took 240 people, both international and israeli. that's one aspect. they built the whole system of the tunnels to protect themselves so that israel would not be able to get to them, we're getting to them. slowly, systematically, but we are getting to them. systematical>> retired idf coloy eyes, and thank you for being here and sharing your insight. i appreciate it. >> thank you 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days, when this ruling came out, i thought, we have to talk about this. senator jones, i'd like to start with you. let's talk more about this latest ruling that came out of that circuit and what it means for the voting rights act right now. >> sure, well, thanks for having me, katie. look, this is a very serious decision. over the last 50 years or so, the voting rights act has been primarily enforced through private actions. the justice department just doesn't have the resources to go after every violation the voting rights has had over the decades. this has been enforced by civil rights groups, advocates, voters who are affected by -- issues, by suppression issues. those are the ones that are being most affected. this decision, if it stands, we'll get that and require only that the department of justice do that. you can imagine democrats being able to do some of that. think about this, what donald trump ever file a voting rights act violation case? would anyone other republican candidates? no, i don't think so. i don't think this law was made for the justice department alone. people -- when the rights are being denied. >> milley, what does that mean for individuals or civil rights groups to a longer be able to sue under this particular act? i'll bring this to the attention of our viewers, over the past 40 years, there but at least 182 successful section two cases, of those 182, only 15 were brought solely by the attorney general. >> thank you, katie, for the invitation. what it means is -- at the end of the day, what it means is states will have the power to determine who gets to elect candidates of their choice. the fact of the matter is, it will depend on who's in the white house. the people won't have the power to fight back when their voter rights are being violated, the ability to let candidates -- that's the reality of what this could mean as senator jones said. >> you know, this case is gonna go the supreme court, right? you have conflicting decisions and opinions from other federal circuit court of appeals, you'll seven decision that came out of the supreme court just this past year that allowed for private plaintiffs to sue under the voting rights act to be able to seek relief, the supreme court said, yeah, that's totally fine. >> well, i don't think that was specifically addressed. this arkansas case, you know, we have had, again, decades where this has not been specifically really addressed. everyone has operated under the fact that a simple standing rules in the court, that is, if you are affected by the legislation, if you have a personal stake in this, as all of these groups have plaintiffs who are affected by these decisions that state and local governments are making, you have standing to bring some kind of lawsuit to address those grievances. this has been decades and decades of precedent. now, one court has decided that they want to overturn it, it's frightening because we've seen a chipping away and chipping away of the voting rights act. i hope folks, i know melodies group is gonna mobilize. we have to have folks all around the country, particularly in the south, mobilizing to get voters to get to the polls and to put people in the office who's not gonna let this happen. >> melanie, this is not just what's happening in the courtrooms, this is a direct result of, to your point a few minutes ago, about being state -centric. these gerrymandering of maps, this is why you have these laws -- you have legislators that are creating these unfair maps that do not accurately reflect voting populace in a particular state. the relief that supposed to be offered is to go to court to get the right decision made. >> for african americans, that has been our way, it has been -- through the courts. what this is doing is saying, i'm a native from florida, a seven or, understand what the power of having relief through the voting rights act has meant for us to be able to have an opportunity to not just a vote for people but actually to run and have an opportunity to represent and have black elected officials in the south especially. again, elections do matter. this is showing why it's important that elections and who sits on the bench matters. you look at who made these decisions, one is a trump appointee, one was a -- appointee, one dissented in this case because the precedent that -- election voting rights is on the ballot in 2024. if this stood and went to supreme court, it wouldn't matter who is the u.s. attorney general, it should not be that case, it should be a historic opportunity for people to be able -- like that naacp legal defense fund, the aclu, and others who step in with, like you said, the government did not have enough resources. that means those cases -- or we lose even more ground. >> i have less than a minute, but to melanie's point, of course, the vote is what matters here. not only is it the people on the judiciary here, but think about the fact that if the result of this ruling, if it to become wholesale, clickable across the united states, if you had an attorney general like bill barr, he's not gonna bring these actions, these are never gonna see the light of day in a courtroom if you have to lie upon a doj to bring these types of cases. >> yeah, there is no question, i'd go one up on the, oh imagine jeff sessions from alabama was an attorney general who aided the voting rights act. you will see no republican administration in the voting rights act case. that's just the way it is, it's not always been the way it's always been though, katie. you go way back, some of them are trying to do that. as you said, only 15 out of 180, there's a question of resources even in a democratic administration to try to handle all of the issues we're seeing across the country with voter suppression laws, gerrymandering issues going on. it's not two republican presidents advantage to create a second republican, democratic district in alabama. this is really important, i think 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