released 39 palestinian prisoners, leaving check large celebrations in the west bank. that is not the only thing the palestinians are celebrating today. gazans who billions welcome truckloads of humanitarian aid during the temporary cease-fire. then there is this, emotional reunions early this morning as hostages released this weekend can finally return to their families. this is 52-year-old sharon -- reuniting with her son and husband. she and her 12-year-old daughter were released by hamas yesterday after 50 days in captivity. earlier, president biden celebrated their release wallet knowledge ink there is still so much more to do. >> critical need is going in, and hostages is coming out. it is structured so that it can be extended to keep building on these results. that is michael, that's our goal to keep this pause going beyond tomorrow so we can continue to see more hostages come out, and surge more humanitarian relief into those who need it in gaza. >> -- fourth and final day of the cease-fire deal between israel and hamas. hamas agreed to free 50 hostages before the cease-fire ends, and israel agreed to release 150 palestinians. so far, 58 hostages and 117 prisoners have been released since friday. the white house says president biden has been working tirelessly with qatar, egypt, and israel to make the cease-fire happen and ensure it runs smoothly. u.s. national security advisor jake sullivan says there is a possibility we could see more americans release, and that a cease-fire could be extended beyond tomorrow. >> and remember that there is another day to the steel, so we will see another list tomorrow. and then, we are working with all science on the possibility that this deal gets extended to additional hostages beyond the initial -- that, ultimately, is up to hamas. if hamas is prepared to release additional hostages, israel has indicated as part of this agreement is that it is prepared for an additional paused for the fighting. >> these really government says it plans to resume ground strikes in gaza once the cease-fire ends. -- 14,000 civilians have been killed in gaza since october 7th. let's bring in msnbc's david noriega and allie raffa at the white house. what updates do we have on the hostages who were released today? >> alicia, hi. we know that all of these hostages are safely in israeli territory, receiving medical treatment. seven of them are children, the two youngest are four years old. that includes when abigail edan, the first american to be released as part of this exchange. there are 14 israeli citizens released as part of the exchange today, that one of them was released outside the framework of the agreement because he's an adult male. hamas that they released him because -- russian citizenship. they said that this was a gesture of goodwill towards russian president vladimir putin. on top of that, we saw three thai nationals released, also outside the framework of the agreement, which is limited to women and children on both sides of the deal, alicia. >> what are you hearing from their families? >> we know that the children in this group, along with two of their mothers, are being treated in a pediatric hospital in israel. the hospital said that they were in stable condition. we haven't been hearing much directly from the families of the group that was released today. this is how it's been working. we can hear from the families in the days after they're released. the day of the actual really lease is often reserved for attending to their immediate needs, and, you know, talking to the press in the public comes mostly in the days after. as far as the hostages we're hearing from in general, what we're hearing our stories of really intense emotional reunions. people seem to be in generally decent medical condition. mental health is obviously a much larger question that we're gonna be thinking about in the dressing in the weeks to come, alicia. >> we keep hearing over and over again, this is a long road ahead for all. ali, president biden spoke with benjamin new yahoo today. we know that we're in a critical 24 hour period. what can you tell us about the conversation? >> yeah, alicia. we know these two have been in new york constant communication since the war began on october 7th. they share the latest called this afternoon, and these two talked about the israeli hostages that have been released as part of this multi-day cease-fire, as well as today's release of abigail when edan, the four-year-old american girl who was released as part of today's tranche of hostages. the prime minister thanked the president for helping broker this cease-fire deal and being able to fully implement it for adding the near -- needed pressure to be able to seal this deal. that's credit we've seen not just from israeli officials, but also qatari officials who since friday, since the steel began, have given credit to the president for his personal diplomatic influence and approach to the steel as it was underway. the two leaders agreed that their work is not done. they talked about potentially extending this cease-fire, the need to get more hostages out of gaza, the need to get more humanitarian aid into gaza, and they said that their work is not done, and alicia, they agreed to stay in very close contact over the next few days according to the white house. >> david, two questions for you. one, what do we know about the palestinians were released? and what do we know about the aid that has been able to get into gaza? when >> alicia, the palestinians who have been released are all prisoners within the context of the israeli military occupation. several of them have been charged, charged, and convicted for serious violent crimes, including attempted brighter. many were being held indefinitely, many of them children, teenage boys especially, without charge, without evidence presented against them. it's because this is happening in the context of the occupation that we're seeing such celebration by the palestinian people in the west bank, who by in large, based on the people we've been speaking to over the last few days, see these arrests and detentions as inherently unjust. as far as the aid, we know that larger numbers of aid have been attempting -- entering the gaza strip according to this agreement. we also know that aid is being more effectively and widely distributed within the dot -- gaza strip, which is a direct result of the hostilities pausing. -- life-saving for many people in the gaza strip who are receiving it, nevertheless, what we all's ways here from the red crescent society is that the aid is insufficient. alicia. >> ali, you spoke about the white house's general sense of the possibility that this could be ongoing, that this deal could be extended specifically on the question of american hostages. are they maintaining hope that more will be released tomorrow we? >> absolutely. the president and white house officials are saying that they are hopeful, but they're also keenly aware of the challenges that lie ahead. and the challenges associated with getting not just the two american women that the president and white house officials have four days said that they're hopeful will be released, because they meet the same terms of release we -- but they are hopeful that the now eight american citizens and one green card holders who are still unaccounted for, believed to be among hamas as hostages in gaza, will all be released, as well as israeli hostages and hostages from other countries. the president saying that he is aware that more work needs to be done, and he underscored how incredibly fragile the steal continues to be. how all of these pieces of this constantly moving puzzle have to fit perfectly together for this to continue being successful. he talked about what we need to be done to get those americans out, how he is continuing his personal diplomacy, personal phone calls with the leaders of qatar, of jordan, egypt, and of course, israeli prime minister netanyahu, and how he wouldn't stop doing that until all hostages are released, alicia. >> nbc's david noriega, an nbc's allie raffa for us at the white house. thank you both for getting started. with us now, aaron david miller, a former -- he's now a senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace, and author of the end of greatness, why america can't and doesn't want another great president. aaron, thank you for being with us. perhaps to the title of this book, this is been described as by one israeli official to my colleague at nbc news as a biden deal, not a netanyahu deal. what does that indicate to you? both about the role that the president played in the five weeks leading up to the release of these hostages, and perhaps, equally critically, the role he will need to play moving forward? >> first of all, alicia, thanks for having me. the administration doesn't have great options here. they succeeded, i think, in deterring a run and hezbollah by deploying two carrier strike groups in the eastern mediterranean. and looks like the israeli lebanese front is -- by the other options, the president as focused primarily on the hostages, it seems to me. because they offer the only diplomatic pathway to do two things. and i don't think you have to be a brilliant analyst to read between the lines. number one with -- enormous pressures as a consequence of humanitarian catastrophe in gaza. this is a way, as the president and jake sullivan -- needed humanitarian aid into gaza, both in southern gaza and in the north. the second issue is even more complex. that is, how do you extend this in a way that would perhaps de-escalate the situation? either delay will constrain, at some point, the looming israeli military action, which is gonna be focused on southern gaza where presumably, the senior leadership -- hamas is located, as well as, perhaps, the hostage -- where the israeli objectives and the administration's objectives may well be diverged. the israelis could determine to, again, using their words, to eradicate hamas both above ground and below, kill the senior leadership, but how does that with -- the administration's objective right now in extending cease-fire in order to regain or see more hostages released? >> when you talk about that key decision point, that looming decision for israel, resume the ground campaign or continue negotiations, what and who is factoring into that decision? >> i think the families of the hostages are critically important here. that was one of the reasons, in 2011, that the israelis agreed to -- win for over 8000 palestinians. one of the most extraordinary -- trades. the hostage families and that situation played a critical role in bringing pressure on the government, and the same applies here. the more hostages that are released, the greater the need on the part of the hostage families for those who are still in hamas captivity, the greater the pressure on the netanyahu government, which is why i believe that you may get with another four or five days out of these sorts of negotiations. -- today's release of 177 hostages remain. 61 women and children, and 116 adults, both civilians, men and women, and israeli defense force soldiers. and it seems to me, at some point, hamas is gonna run out of hostages to trade. they're not gonna give up. those adult males, let alone the idf soldiers. they will be kept for further trades down the road. and clearly, hamas's objective is so patently obvious. it's to dribble out hostages in the hopes that pressure -- internal pressure, external pressure from the arab states, from the qataris, and even from the biden administration, will force the israelis to delay, constrain, and perhaps, even at some point, and their prospects of militarily eradicating hamas's military infrastructure. frankly, i doubt whether or not that's gonna be successful. >> our, and we reminded ourselves over and over how fluid this all is, how ten u.s. at all. as i would argue in the past 24 hours the deal seem like it was off for a period of time. it came back together, reminded again the nature of these deals as allie raffa, my colleague said puzzle peaches having to put together. this would seem to be a critical 48-hour period given that tomorrow is supposed to be the final day of the cease-fire. i want to know from you what is that you are watching for as we move into the next 24 hours? >> the israeli decision to extend the truce, or cease-fire buyer, however you want to describe it for additional hostages per day. hamas apparently, reference to a statement wants to explore that option. hamas has added the idea of releasing more palestinian prisoners. in a 3 to 1 ratio, hostile mans may go up, i think they're still negotiating to be done but i do believe that in the interest of both the israeli government and certainly given hamas's strategy to trade time for hostages, to continue this humanitarian truce. we may get another three, four days perhaps even as many as six out of these negotiations. but at some point, the government in israel needs to make a critical decision. and i think the decision has already been made to pursue their campaign, to destroy hamas's military infrastructure, not its political organization, not its deep roots in the community of gaza, but to destroy the military infrastructure above and below ground. it's hard to believe that they would create a situation where hamas would be able to continue to survive and have a final day of some sort of cease-fire, the imposition to launch more rockets. that would be a victory of extraordinary proportions and defeat for the israelis and by implication the biden administration. >> we'll continue to watch and see how this unfolds. aaron david miller, thank you for your time. another big story we're tracking, police in burlington, vermont, are investigating the shooting of three palestinian college students as a possible hate -- mayor. young man were walking to a dinner near the university of vermont saturday when police say a man opened fire on them. one of the victims the scene's serious injuries, the other two are in stable condition. according to the arab american anti discrimination committee, the men were speaking arabic and two of them were wearing traditional palestinian scarves at the time. we're told president biden has been briefed on the shooting and in a joint statement the families of the victims said, quote, we're grateful to the doctors, nurses who are working tirelessly to save our children's lives. and city officials are giving their full attention to this horrific hate crime in the pursuit of justice. a reward is on the table for information that leads to the shooter. we're gonna have a live report from vermont later in this hour. coming up, more on the hostility goshen zinc looting new reporting on what led to hamas's decision to remeet four-year-old american, abigail edan, a -- blast health -- harassment in new york and a panel of judges can do about it tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪ calms the nerve down. and my patients say you know doc, it really works. why give your family just ordinary eggs when they can enjoy the best? 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>> the danger is to the clerk, but it's really to the entire staff of this courthouse because the former judge president well knowns of the impact has. if this was innocent conduct on his part, at this late date he didn't realize the way his social media posts lands with some of his followers. one of the people representing the judge can follow filed 275 single spaced pages, detailing all the threats that the clerk had received. you think it be enough to make trump stop and the fact that he hasn't stopped and he has accelerated while the gag order is temporarily lifted for purposes of this appeal really tells you what his intentions are here, it's disruptive for the courts, it's dangerous for its employees, and it's completely unacceptable. it makes clear that the gag order is going to be necessary here. >> i thought you were going in a different direction, joyce, that it's not just an attack on the clerk herself, it's not just an attack on the staff in the courtroom, it's an attack on the justice system as we know, right, it's being done to undermine the institution in addition to his own proceedings. i gotta know, or a few hours out, how do you think these judges are going to rule tomorrow? >> i think the judges will decide to uphold the gag order. if trump had shown that he had the ability to constrain his behavior perhaps they would consider what the leather the measure was necessary. but since he continues to double down and as you say, alicia, inflict this sort of damage not just on individuals involved in the system but in the system itself. i think it's very likely that we'll see the gag order sustained. >> i always like to remind myself, reminder viewers, the viewers are smaller and don't need the reminder, we're talking about multiple gag orders, that's the new york civil fraud trial. we also have trump's federal gag order, you had the chance to listen in on those arguments, your big takeaways? >> well, here to the gag order is necessary, jeff smith filed on thanksgiving day unnoticed with the court alerting them to what was going on in new york. in 275 pages of complaints, emails, phone calls that the clerk in new york had received. they documented how the threats grow when trump posted. i think this is compelling in washington, here is the problem, no court wants to be the court that permits an attack to occur whether it's on a witness, juror, or court personnel, because they didn't take steps in advance that could've kept trump from continuing to post. no one wants to do anything that comes close to restraining the first amendment rights of a political candidate. but when you balance the merits at stake here, it seems clear that trump needs to be in control of these gag orders are the only way to do it. >> do you think this ends up before the supreme court? >> you know, it seems possible that it could, i suspect that the court will stay away from it, we'll see these appellate courts rule, their rulings will be grounded in the law, it's very clear that courts can take steps to protect their proceedings. gag orders are not unusual, the only thing unusual here is that trump is a political candidate. i'm not sure the supreme court will have to take this one up, they may be happy to affirm without hearing the case. >> turning to fulton county case, one of trump's codefendants nearly had his bond revoke for targeting witnesses online. if you were trump, if you were trump's legal team and you see that one of the co-defendants did not have his bond revoked -- what's the lesson you take away from that? >> right, it's interesting because this hearing for this particular defendant was geared as a marker for the former presidents conduct. if this defendants bail have been revoked trump's almost certainly would be. the judge did not seem willing to go that far at least not at this point. this is not a judge who's patience should be tried. if trump's trial draws -- continues to harass particularly witnesses. i think he will find a very different outcome in store for him. the conduct in this manner and fulton county involved -- witnesses on social media. for instance, brad raffensperger, secretary of state was tagged, he will be a witness against these defendants. if trump goes beyond that and engages in conduct that can legitimately be called threatening, especially towards witnesses, this judge won't hesitate to act. >> it's part of what we saw with the d.c. federal gag order which is this question of whether or not a person who has a public platfprm that is forward facing is in a different position to be intimidated then perhaps someone who does not have that same level of public facing and support. joyce vance, as always, thank you for spending sunday with us. next, president biden's role in the release of got hostages held in gaza (inaudible) here with us. we go to vermont where police are searching for the gunman who shot three palestinian students. stay with us. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. i was a bit nervous at first but then i figured it's just walking, right? 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ask your doctor about every-other-month cabenuva. every other month, and i'm good to go. back to our breaking news out of israel. hamas released a third group of hostages in exchange for palestinians being held in israeli prisons. among the 17 people released from gaza is abigail edan, a four-year-old american girl who was kidnapped from her kibbutz on october 7th. hamas militants killed both of her parents before taking her hostage. there's still no word on her condition. abigail's family said that she'll live with her aunt, uncle, and grandparents in israel. meanwhile, aid continues to flow into the gaza strip, red crescent said that more than 108 trucks crossed into egypt from gaza, they're pushing supplies through -- israel and hamas lasts. president biden hailing the truce in a speech today. >> abigail was among 13 people released today from gaza, under the brokered and sustained though intense of u.s. diplomacy. she's now safely in israel. we continue to press, expect for additional americans will be released as well. we won't stop working until every hostages returned to their loved ones. >> to discuss is a political white house reporter, coauthor of playbook and an msnbc political contributor, eugene, walk us through how the cease-fire agreement came together and president biden's -- what are your sources telling you? >> this was starting almost as soon as we knew there were hostages involved. the white house, this administration spending five weeks of growling back and forth between not just israel, we they didn't have conversations with hamas, they had to work through intermediaries, leaders of that's countries, qatar for example, egypt as well. having over and over those conversations pushing, the ground what are the things that they could get from israel to give to hamas and vice versa. to figure out how to get these hostages home, especially because some of these hostages as you talked about, abigail, where america. something that is really interesting on october 17th, president biden had a zoom call with family members of some of these hostages. he kind of let them talk at him and as angry as they were, sad as they were, taking that it. and he used that call in his conversations with benjamin yet navajo, prime minister of israel, talking about not just the aid but how important was to figure out a way to get these hostages home. president biden pride some self on his foreign policy acumen, and it's part of what we saw as the shook out. his relationship with benjamin netanyahu in years and years in the making, he was able to lean on that and push in a way that made the other leaders would've had a harder time to do. >> early in the program, we talked about the extension of the cease-fire, the possibility of an exit extension, aaron david miller made an argument, the potent voices here is gonna be the families of these hostages. there were also be pressure coming from biden administration, your sense the role the white house is poised to pay to extend the cease-fire? >> they're hoping that both sides will see hostages, prisoners being released as an example of why there needs to be more time, not just these four days, four or five days that were part of this divisional pause, more hostages should be released from hamas, maybe it would be more prisoners from israel and back-and-forth because the point of this is to seize the fighting and get the aid in, seeing these trucks come in with fuel, food, water for the folks in gaza. as we know, it's essentially hell for them at this point. the administration is gonna continue to push these the family of these hostages and the hostages themselves, we're gonna start hearing their stories make possibly from them, the definitely from family members about what they've been put through. those are the kind of things that diplomats, presidents, like to use one having conversations with leaders to figure out how they can extend these pauses. i will say, it doesn't look like a cease-fire, a real cease-fire where everyone's done fighting, it's on the table, benjamin yethonat -- not interested in that at all. >> we have 30 seconds left, eugene, as congress comes back from thanksgiving, aid to israel, aid to ukraine, what are you watching for? >> whether or not the senate is gonna start working on this first. we know the house is a mass, it continues to be a mass, what's the role the senate's gonna play in this, the white house has thrown the gauntlet down that they want to see these things work, go in tandem, and while chuck schumer, mick mitch mcconnell put their fingers on the scale to get the house to work the way that basically everyone wants them to. >> kind of a mess, kind of -- kind of use. eugene daniels, as always, thank you for spending part of your sunday with. next, an update on the three palestinian students shot last night in burlington, vermont, in an incident senator bernie sanders called shocking and unsettling. plus a busy week ahead for congress as republicans try to tackle aid for israel and ukraine, we look at how they may try to get through. stay with us. h us u know? we really need to work on your people skills. somedays, i cover up because of my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now i feel free to bare my skin, thanks to skyrizi. ♪(uplifting music)♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ i'm celebrating my clearer skin... my way. with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin, even at 5 years. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. thanks to clearer skin with skyrizi - this is my moment. there's nothing on my skin and that means everything! ♪nothing is everything♪ now's the time. ask your doctor about skyrizi, the #1 dermatologist-prescribed biologic in psoriasis. learn how abbvie could help you save. 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>> yeah, alicia, as you were saying a motive has not been found not only that, the shooter has not been found either. let me tell you a bit about burlington. it's a small, liberal town, it's home to the university of vermont. there are many students living in this town. i spoke to people who lived a block away from where the shooting happened, alex and mahcara, listen to what they had to say. >> we heard four shots, and very rapid succession, no pause between each of the shots. besides that, we just heard those four shots. we sensed danger but also we know they're shooting clubs at uvm, hopeful optimism. >> we heard one of the victims screaming, clearly probably in pain, shot that's what the natural reaction is, yeah, it's a scary thing to hear somebody cry out like that. >> alex and machara, are part of gen z, they say they are sad, frustrated, angry that shootings in america have become a cultural norm, alicia. >> what do we know about the victims and the response from the university of vermont tonight? >> alicia, three palestinian victims are being treated in the hospital behind me. they're all 20 years old, there are graduates of a school in ramallah, in the west bank, the two of them are u.s. citizens, one is a legal resident, they all attend different universities, trinity, have a bird, trinity, haverford (inaudible) they attend three different use colleges and they all came together for thanksgiving and were on the weighted dinner around 6:25 pm last night when they, when the shooting happened, they were transferred to this medical center we know that one of them is in critical condition and the other student attends is brown, trinity, haverford, and brown have released different statements to show support during this time. and something from the university of vermont is one of the students, an organization on campus, students for justice for palestine organized emergency rally in front of the city hall this afternoon to call for support and also call for a cease-fire in palestine. we don't we don't know what the motive was yet, however, the students are acting as if this was heat-related. >> devastating story at vermont. emma barnett, thank you so much. next, a new push to get a aid to allies in israel and in ukraine, that is it, republican demands for border security don't get in the way, we'll explain, stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ us. ♪ ♪ ♪ this week congressional leaders returned from their thanksgiving recess to a full plate. first, the fight to secure more aid to israel and ukraine. in october, president biden requested nearly 106 billion dollars in funding for israel, ukraine, and security at the southern border. the house approved nearly 15 billion dollars toward israel. the senate majority leader, chuck schumer, says he and his -- to the floor for a vote as soon as the week of december 4th. when it comes to ukraine, republicans insist on traditional aid, u.s. border security measures (inaudible) most contentious issues in american politics. making matters even trickier, is the fact that congress hasn't been able to agree on much coming close to a government shutdown twice in the past two months led by republicans. they face another funding deadline in january to keep the government running. with us now, former florida republican congressman, carlos curbelo, he is now on nbc news political analyst. also with us, democratic strategist, don calloway, president of pine street strategy. good to see you both, carlos, set the stakes here, aid for israel, aid for ukraine, the years almost over and we're staring down another deadline to keep the government funded, what is on the line? >> alicia, a lot is on the line. including u.s. leadership on the globe. the irony here is that an overwhelming majority of members of congress including members of both parties support both aid to israel and ukraine. the group that is holding this up is the same group that has thrown the house into chaos, it's blocked a lot of other important legislation. it's a small group of republicans in the house, that is why the senate is going to act first, we know mitch mcconnell, chuck schumer agreed on funding this kind of u.s. leadership across the globe, supporting our allies. and they are gonna poke a spell to speaker johnson. the speaker johnson will have to do the rebels that oppose everything but also with a lot of house republicans who do support funding both our allies, ukraine, and israel. this is gonna be, alicia, the first true test of leadership for speaker johnson. >> it's a bunch of pop quizzes, this is the exam. i take carlos's point, in addition to all the things that are measurable and on the table, in the background there is this question of american leadership which is why it's interesting to me the politics that republicans are playing with this. i want to take a listen to mike turner, he was on meet the press at talking about biden's proposed aid package in the way he sees it, take a listen. >> it can be difficult to get it done by the end of the year, the impediment currently is the white house policy on the southern border. the white house in this package, including as a national security will recognize the southern border is the threat, put in funding, it only policy changes. congress will require that laws be changed to make certain that the border returns to its prior state, remain in mexico, other types of provisions that would secure the southern border. >> here's the thing, don, you and i know why republicans are doing this, they believe that arguing there is chaos on the border, arguing that rather it be about (inaudible) the biden administration. they believe it is a political winner for them and that is why they are trying it to foreign aid. the problem is it slowing down that aid will have real consequences for democracy abroad. it will have real consequences for america's standing in the world. do they realize the jeopardy they're putting us in? >> i don't know whether or not they realize it, unfortunately i don't have access to those caucus meetings. even if they did realize that, the sad piece here is they may perceive with this non -- tying ukraine versus russia which is a legitimate global national security issue. they will proceed with tying that to the southern border just never miss an opportunity to score political points even if there is no real rational train of thought or true line there. it's terribly unfortunate, while they're trying to in a pseudo-intellectual way boost the american position on global security, they're actually harming us. when you think about there being real discussions right now about a global accord led by america and germany, and the biden state department in germany and other world leaders in particular in the great eight, about how to bring the conflict to an end, house republicans are simply not standing with us as a country. i understand the democratic administration but they're not making us look like adults. the status quo of funding both the israel-hamas war and the ukraine russia war should be maintained until more parties can come to the table and fight find a peace accord, whatever it looks like, we have no idea right now. with house republicans not being on board with the majority and multilateral peace solution, it's nonsensical, to tie it to southern aid at the border, i don't know that i've seen a greater non sequitur from a guy that's trying to sound serious. >> unknown secretary is a great way to put it, don, to say these two things are connected when in reality they are. up carlos, when you think -- priding in being the party of national security, the fact that not only are they jeopardizing national security when it comes to these aid packages, they continue to align themselves with president trump, who economists most recently there's been an entire slew of voices (inaudible) of sub this. he is the greatest threat to security across the globe, not just national security, what is a tell you, carlos, that give speaker johnson going down to mar-a-lago last week? >> it just shows you that donald trump and his movement continue being in control of the republican party, alicia, despite the fact that at least privately a lot of republicans don't believe in this world view. most congressional republicans as i told you to believe it is important for us to stand both with our allies in israel and ukraine yet those followers of donald trump are the ones that are being allowed to drive the narrative, those are the people that remove kevin mccarthy, those are the people that make it difficult for republican leaders to compromise and to reach deals with senate republicans and with the democratic party, and the democratic white house. people who do not understand or refused to understand the nature of government, how things work, that politics is the art of the possible. this is the big battle that ronald reagan republican party versus the donald trump republican party for some years now. the trump republican party has been winning, we'll see if those republicans who still believe in u.s. leadership across the globe can get and secure that funding for both israel and ukraine. >> don, less than 30 seconds left, your thoughts on whether or not we see congressman george santos expulsion this week? >> we should, it should've happened sometime ago, it would've got this far down the road, he's doing the right thing and leaving. anytime we can get rid of the bolder in congress is a great thing, it's time for him to go. >> congressman carlos curbelo and don calloway, thank you so much for spending part of your weekend with us, that's all the time i have for today. i'm alicia menendez, i want to thank you as always for spending part of your sunday with us. be sure to follow the show across social media, our handle is at alicia on msnbc, i'll see you back here next saturday and sunday for more american voices, stay with us for inside with jen psaki after why give your family just any eggs when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste. plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever. because the way we care... is anything but ordinary. only eggland's best. ♪♪ ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ [bell ringing] and doug says, “you can customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual.” he hits his mark —center stage— and is crushed by a baby grand piano. are you replacing me? 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