physicians mitchell i'm alex marc board in washington and this is cnn it's wednesday june 26, right now on san and this morning one day to go new details about the candidates final preparations for tomorrow night's highly anticipated presidential debates julian assange, a free man arriving minutes ago in australia, how that plea deal that led to his release happens primary results are in one republican incumbent. >> you might recognize her, gets to keep her job while a member of the squad, the progressives loses his and to members of congress one democrat, one republican joining us live. for their take on tomorrow's nights historic presidential debate just after 6:00 a.m. here in washington. a live look at the white house on this wednesday morning, president biden is not home. he is preparing for the debate of the camp. david, good morning, everyone. kasie hunt. >> it's wonderful to have you with us the first 2024 presidential debate. now, just a day away, the rematch between president biden and donald trump's set for 9:00 p.m. eastern time tomorrow at cnn's world headquarters in atlanta. you'll be in light of firsts in sitting president and a former president have never debated modern times in this is the earliest in the calendar scheduled debate in recent memory but this is obviously not the first time that these two have stood opposite each other on the biggest political stage. >> the last time these two men faced off, you may remember, it was chaos good question. >> the question of just the rational left. >> would you mason, who is on you? i'm not here to call out his lies. everybody knows he's a liar. >> de are joe i ran because of you. i ran because of barak obama because you did a poor job. he racist you just the worst, whereas america has ever had hey, we can lock ourselves up in a basement like joe does. >> it's hard to get any word in with this clown hope tomorrow night, new rules will be in place. the candidates will stand at podiums just a few feet from each other. trump on the left, biden on the right there will be no audience in the studio as cnn's jake tapper and dana bash moderate the 90 minute debate and the candidates microphones will only be turned on when it is their turn to speak, meaning interruptions or answers beyond time limits that the candidates agreed to might not be heard. so that will be different from last time also different. >> the context, what's going on in the country you may recall that just days after that contentious first showdown in 2020, then president trump was helicopter to walter reed while definitely ill with covid. >> and that first debate also included this this moment that would come back to haunt the country when trump failed to condemn the white nationalist proud boys i'm willing to do anything i wanted to see what sir. do it do you want to call him? what do you want to call them? give me a name. give me just like me to condemn proud process and ripe proud stand back and standby okay. let's bring in our panel, evan osmo, staff writer at the new yorker and biden biographer, basically former biden white house communications director kate betting fellas here and former trump campaign adviser, david urban, also joins us good morning to all of you relative calm on this set this morning and we're all tired it is early, but we're setting the stage for we're not sure what we're going to see on stage on thursday night from these two men. but the 2020 debate was a very specific moment in time. obviously, there has been some adjustments. evan, in terms of how this is likely to play out, how do you think that the way that this is setup is going to impact how much this debate matters and how it matters. >> the format is really important. i mean, it's really the closest analogy we have is 1960, when jfk debated richard nixon, you had no studio audience. you have this kind of, at the time, quite orderly, atmospheric today. nobody is expecting an especially quiet or sedate atmosphere, but it's just no question that having mics that can be silenced in-between changes, the whole nature for the thing. last time, chris wallace estimated that trump interrupted more than 100 times. i think that one of the elements that that will allow biden to emphasize is a message that he's been talking about recently, which is as he said, in a new set of ads, he said, look, this is a donald trump is interested in himself he's not interested in making changes and doing things for the middle class. the degree to which donald trump talks about himself and goes on and on and on and seems to overstepped the boundaries and overstep the limits that says more about him than it does about the policies you want. >> so one of the things that trump is out there talking about in the lead up to the debate is the idea that there may be performance enhancing drugs, i guess, if although he's not really specific, but i do think it's worth noting. we talked about these claims that trump is making a little bit on the show yesterday, but we didn't go back and find the tape from before because we've seen the movie. let's look at what donald trump had to say back in 2020 about them this and actually i think even before that, i think he goes back to 2016. just watch i think she's actually getting pumped up. >> so i think we should take a drug test. anyway, i'm willing to do it. they gave him a big fat shot and he comes out and for two hours he's better than ever before problem is what happens after that we're going to ask for drug tests. we are. i'd like to have a drug test well, so a little before debate time, he gets a shot. >> the sun that's they wanted to strengthen them up. he'll come out all jacked up. right? all jacked masks. >> let's say maga, that's a specific throwback, but david urban, what's going on here? yeah. so look, i think what the former president trump shot undoes. >> it's kinda raise expectations, right? joe biden's not going to come out and be sleepy joe there. i think he's going to come out being combative. if there's two things that need to occur to the state to be successful for both sides. donald trump needs be sedate and joe biden needs to be animated, right? and so it's almost, it's the reverse of what we see every day, right? so trump at the rally on saturday was pretty good. evan evan said if he's grievance donald trump, that's problems for the trump campaign saturday night and philadelphi was kind of odd message about working for you, fighting for you, right? and joe biden has to appear dynamic. he has the pure vigorous, he has to be combative. i think if joe biden comes out and his combative people like whoa, who is this guy, right? i mean, that's what the biden campaign wants to see. the trump campaign will just see the opposite so the mics being cut off, i think the format lends itself to more orderly debate. but i think both teams want to see something maybe a little bit different from their from their candidates. >> kick case. the director here, what do you say directly look, i broadly agree with that. i think for for trauma the aim here is to try to show these moderate suburban voters that he is a palatable option and it shouldn't be scared. >> yeah, they shouldn't be scared of him and we know from the first debate in 2020, that was a bad moment for donald trump. i mean, on the biden campaign in 2020, we saw his numbers fell off. we saw in our data. i mean, that was not a good moment for him and i think we've seen a lot of reporting but suggests that and david's no better than he gets that and he knows that. so i do think it's reasonable to expect that we will get a kind of more sedate version. >> second debate, whether we get that for 90 minutes. >> we'll see also don't underestimate, don't forget how much these too personally dislike each other. they really do. and so i think the intensity of being onstage together, eight feet apart with no audience really just kind of mano, a mano i think it's going to add a little bit of a little bit of x-factor. so we say it's worth remembering because donald trump didn't show up for the inauguration. they haven't been on stage in a very long time. we often talk about how donald trump tried to steal this election from joe biden's perspective, he tried to steal it from joe biden. there is an intense element to this that is going to be electricity that is right between these two. >> it could be like the jake paul, donald trump that video, you see the staring each other down. she's gonna look like before the debate started about to pull that for some bureau i mean, david, how do you think that that affects trump? i you know, i do. i agree. listed i think cates cates exactly correct. there's gonna be this visceral response, right? they both personally, there's a personal animus between each other. and so when they're standing there, when you from evan two, i's distance apart, right? there's gonna be like i want you buddy, they may get in a fight, who knows, right? they may throw. >> biden said, i'll take about back right? i mean, trump would tenth wrote up see the jake, paul, and mike tyson thing going on there thursday night, be payments on pay-per-view and that action should take those soundbites up to you guys for that. all right. >> i've got a lot more talking about this morning coming up next year, new reporting on that plea deal that led to the release of julian assange plus two members of congress, democrat debbie dingell, republican tim burchett here to preview tomorrow's presidential debate. then there's this massive wildfires triggering evacuations warnings in fresno, california. it's one of the five things you have to see this morning debate night in america as biden and trump meet and only cnn has complete coverage with unrivaled access and exclusive pre and post of beat analysis follows cnn and for every countless moment followed debate night in america tomorrow, which seven pete your record label is taking off. >> but so is your 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islands, his attorney, using the opportunity to again frame their argument, they claim assange had no business being locked up in the first place we firmly believe that mr. assange never should have been charged under the espionage act and engaged in exercise that journalists engage in every day assange plead guilty to conspiring unlawfully to obtain and disseminate classified information. it was one of the largest breaches of classified material in us military history and now new details are coming to light about the circumstances leading up to the plea deal. i'm joined now by cnn senior justice correspondent ivan perez, evan. good morning to you. wonderful to have you here. good morning. what are we? learning about this? >> well, we know that over the years there was a lot of discussion between julian assange is lawyers and the justice department always really far apart. but i think over the last couple of years, you've seen the australian government become more involved. there's a new left-leaning government there in the last couple of years that viewed his case as something that they wanted a champion you saw, for instance, in october anthony albanese, the prime minister, bring it up personally with president biden, were told that carry out what is told that pretty much over the last couple of years every time australian diplomats met with the u.s. they would bring up the case of julian assange. and so what we see like in april, we see that the australian officials right to attorney general merrick garland, saying, we think that there's a deal possible. they also raise the possibility of a felony plea that would bring this down and resolve this. now, some of this i think for justice department officials, they also were losing in court in england where assange has been holed up. he's been fighting extradition. and in may they also lost another effort to try to get them extradited lengthening this fight. so i think what ended up happening is you saw i think they came to terms with the idea that he's already served five years, which is probably about the maximum that he would have gotten if he had gotten convicted on one of these counts. and i think both sides decided that it was time in the case of assange he was insisting on a misdemeanor. yeah. >> which of course he didn't do. he got he got a felony, and he also wanted to make sure he did not come to a court in the continental united states, which is why he was in saipan, northern mariana islands, stopped of course, because why not? >> right what are the implications of this plea deal for press freedoms? >> here in the u.s. i think look, i think this one of the most fascinating parts of this, the obama administration looked at charging julian assange very much the same case, and they decided that there was too much of a risk of the precedent, right. >> and the issue was, if wikileaks is is cooperating and partnering with us news organizations to publish them. these stolen documents why are you going after assange and not after the new york times editor, for instance. and so they were uncomfortable with it in everything changed after the hack of the dnc documents. and hillary clinton targeted by russian intelligence and past two weeks leaks that began changing the view of what was happening. and in the end, what i think the government believes is that is julian assange was not a journalist. he was directing and actually encouraging people to steal stuff which is something that align that we don't cross when we're doing our work. and so they view julian assange as in a totally different in a totally different way than i think certainly very pollock, his lawyer described them just now, but you're going to hear from julian assange today and he is going to embrace this idea that i'm a journalist and i was prosecuted for being a journalist. and i think the picture is a lot more complicated all right. >> i'm impressed 4 us this morning and i'm so grateful to have you. thank you 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and streaming on max what those lies. >> everybody knows he's a liar, but i just want i want to make sure that you wanted lasting it last first thing i i want to make sure accident. can you let him finish, sir? he didn't know how to do that. >> will be joe biden and donald trump's first face off in four years, set for thursday, new polling shows 57% of americans are likely to follow coverage of the cnn presidential debate. and it's gearing up to be a consequential showdown. both men will be on stage their legacies on somebody should ask the question, you know, for the test. but according to new cnn reporting, some top democrats are urging biden not to focus on his legacy tomorrow night, instead, advising him to spend more time going after trump directly here to talk about how these candidates are preparing, are two people that couldn't be better to do it. senior white house correspondent here at cnn, kayla tausche how she and seeing the reporter, alina treene covers donald trump up for us along with some others on our team. ladies, thank you so much for being here. >> kayla, let me start with you because this is you're reporting on democrats and how they want to see biden play this out. >> what have you learned? >> well there's some statistics that the president has a tendency to lean on to try to explain that the economy actually is doing better than voters field that's the 15 million jobs created. the fact that the domestic growth in the country has continued to be good. and the fact that inflation is improving, but the problem is that still hasn't really improved the way that voters feel about the cost of living, which has been considerably higher than it was four years ago. and also notably pre-pandemic, they're saying, don't waste your two minutes of response time going deep into the litany of accomplishments, which hasn't moved voters so far, focused on trump, focus on the contrast to focus on the choice, tried to re-center that for voters who are newly engaged. but to that end, when he's focused on that contrast and that choice, there's a thing that he's not going to be doing that he has employed in prior debates and that is unveiling new policies or new personnel. you may remember in march 2020 when cnn hosted a debate between biden and senator bernie sanders president biden are then candidate biden came out and announced that he pick a woman for vice president. he was a new supporter of student loan forgiveness and he reiterated a pledge to a black woman on the supreme court and standards advisers say that was a really effective strategy. it earned a lot of media, but i'm told that biden, if he decides to employ that strategy, won't do it until later debate because he really wants to make this one about the substance. his aides are helping and practice substance and stamina at camp david long working days, some staffers staying and cabins and so that's really where they're really where their strategy as a debate camp right now. yeah, i was going to say it to make camp exactly at summer camp. >> alina we have seen donald trump. >> i mean, maggie haberman, who is coming a student of donald trump for so many years, was on our air last night talking about how these moments for him you can see meanness coming now, sometimes i'm curious what your reporting is in terms of how he is thinking about this. he's doing more preparation. i think that he seems to be publicly limiting but they're also there seems to be some nerves and the trump camp as well about what what temperament shall we say will be on display tomorrow? well, i think anyone who says they know exactly which type of donald trump it's going to show up on the stage on thursday is lying. i mean, even donald trump's own advisors note that they don't know if donald trump is going to meander and rant and show his more aggressive side, but they are advising him, both donald trump's own advisors as well as many his allies on the outside, that they wanted to focus on the issues. and there's really three specific issues that they think they really want him to zero in on, which was the economy, immigration, and crime. now these are all issues that the trump campaign sees as being his best issues. looking ahead to november and ones that they think biden is more vulnerable on but they also are the ones where they see that donald trump is polling higher. if you look at the economy, if you look at in great ab, immigration and the border, a lot of different polls are showing that donald trump does very well on those issues. so they are urging him to talk about those and focus less on his grievances. now, as for the panic that's kind of happening behind the scenes, it's been interesting because for months we heard the trump campaign say we will debate anywhere, anytime any place. we're really hearing a different than singing a different tune over the last week part of that is they do want to manage expectations. they are. i think i was told that when they learn that joe biden and his campaign, we're going to be spending a full week at camp david preparing for this. that was a turning point. and when they realized we do need to go on offense more and try to raise the expectations for how he will be performed because we know that trump himself and his team have been the ones essentially calling him senile for the last several months. the other part of it too, is some of the pre spin we're seeing with them, rather than working the refs, attacking the route i've send moderators and really trying to already frame this debate as being rigged. and that's something that's exactly out of donald trump's well-worn playbook, which is he said with the election, he's done it with the courtroom. he's done it on the campaign trail saying that something is rigged in that it's kind of an insurance policy depending on how he doesn't the debate stage. >> kyla, how is the biden team thinking about this? i mean, you point out he's got all these options that he could do to try to get attention or whatever. but for this, it does seem like the bar is he just got to show up, and prove that he is actually not as bad of shape as the trump people i'm trying to tell voters that he is, but they also don't want that to be the story, right? they don't want to say the bar was low and the president of the united states stepped over the bar and he managed to not fall asleep on stage or create a viral moment or a deepfake are achieved fake. they don't want that to be the takeaway. they want him to outperform. they want him to be the type of joe biden that the american people saw at the state of the union, which is seen as something of a corollary. i mean, he got very high marks for the state of the union, for the high-energy for the content, for the delivery. and there was a lot of practice it's including at camp david for that address. and notably, it started at 9:00 p.m. as well for people on the republican side who are saying this is passed, biden spent time, he's just going to show up tonight that's that's the corollary that they're drying and sankey outperformed their and that's what they're hoping this time to. >> all right. >> let's talk briefly about the reporting you have on veepstakes because this everyone except for me, it seems like this washington partner came, i sort of dreaded every four years. i'll be two. but you write that donald trump junior has made his affinity for senator jd vance, well-known rupert murdoch has urged trump world to consider north dakota governor doug burgum, fox news host sean hannity he's gone to bat for florida senator marco rubio. i mean, he seems to be the names in the mics. alayna, the other big question is, is this going to be a move trump makes at some point in next couple of days is he's trying to gain control of the new cycle in some way that benefits. >> there has been a lot of speculation about whether donald trump when move up his self-imposed deadline. he has said repeatedly as has his team that it's more likely and that he plans to announce his pick in the days leading up to the convention or at the republican national convention next month. however, there's been a lot of speculation around whether he may announced that the debate or at his rally in virginia on friday, i'm told that that a lot of that is just the rumor mill and it's speculation, but also, you never know with donald trump. and when he decides he wants to make this announcement, i think some of it is also going to depend on how the debate goes if they need to the narrative, we could see a difference. >> but as for all of the people in donald trump's ear about this that's another i just find it fascinating that different. >> there's so many people that donald trump's speech it's too frequently that he respects who he listens to, who are pushing entirely different candidates. and so it was fascinating to kinda pull back the curtain and see who, who's going about for who and who isn't can trump zero on this. i would just say i wouldn't want to report this under my by-line until it comes out of donald trump's mouth. i tell you it's so true because you feel like you just really never know kayla tausche, atlanta dream. thank you both very much for being here. hopefully see you in atlanta well, do all right. >> let's turn now to continue our conversation with michigan democratic congresswoman debbie dingell and tennessee republican congressman tim burchett, who joined me to talk more about the debate. thank you both for being here this morning. congressman dingell, let me start with you. you just in terms of the expectations for president biden the trump team is trying to raise them as we were just discussing. i want to ask you, we talked a lot about this ahead of the state of the union where president biden performed in a way that democrats are really happy with how are the nerves going into this around the potential for president biden's performance to meet or not meet. >> what people hope are their expectations. >> love to bring their hands and have a lot of eggs can play this game of how well 30 candidates gonna do. i think that president joe biden is doing what? he's gotta do to prepare for this debate. can't quite say, i think that president trump is and i think you're going to see very clear split between the two visions at the men half congressman burchett, i want to play a little bit of what donald trump had to stay at his rally on saturday in philadelphia. he was kind of raising questions, asking the crowd that was there for him. how should i approach president biden in this he was donald trump how should i handle him should i be tough and nasty or should i be should i be she say no, should i be tougher, nasty and just say get a worst president in history or should i be nice and calm? >> and let him speak which donald trump do you think we're gonna see a little bit of both? >> i think he's gonna be, you know, he's he doesn't have much trust in the system of debates because of hillary clinton was leaked debate questions to last time. and that's been a documented fact. and so in a lot of people on our side or just are really unsure about this. and i have my theory about debates and my friends debbie dangles is wonderful to be here with me. but you bring your side ab rick mass add and we both leave thinking we want i don't really think a lot. it's going to nothing will happen from this because people already have predetermined expectations. and i think are you going to do their team is going to get soundbite from donald trump. and we'll get soundbites from joe biden and they'll probably both be taken out context. and that's this is what this obeyed because i really just think the time has for debates because these aren't really true debates used to be debates. people would travel the country and in the history of tennessee, i mean, literally had a stump that they put out and one gaffer governor would get up and speak and the next one would, and people would ask question gyms and it'd be that there's really just not that this because of these these arbitrary agreement. so i really don't think much will become this i mean, there was some evidence that the 2020 the first debate in 2020 helped president biden pretty significantly. i would actually agree partially with you. there is a certain trauma every everybody saw worked up, everybody's seeing the hand-wringing again. but both of these candidates could make serious mistakes that could have been packed from now until november. and both of these candidates have an ability to deal i mean, the trump campaign has been studied. these expectations that he's not gonna be able to make it through the night. they're trying to i think i think you're gonna two seed she two different visions. we're going to see their face should set night. i think joe biden's going to come up prepared. he's going to talk about protecting people's liberties, their freedoms, working, fights, middle-class of protecting women i've, you know, i've seen unfortunately, all sides if donald trump i've seen the total charming man i've worked with my trade issues. i was the person in 215 to 16. that said he was going to win. he liked me then led, didn't like me the woman he's gone after two. is he gonna talk about issues and stay calm or is it going to be the donald trump we all know he can be. and i think he can't help himself if he gets really worked up what if i make donald trump's going to dominate this debate? i think he's going to come prepared. i think he's going to hit issues that are important to americans were $600 more pocket every week, just to buy groceries, just to survive, i think the border is a disaster. i think in lay that right. the photo joe biden and i think worldwide are our status is dropped considerably under joe biden and his leadership. >> so the one big issue of course that's looming over all of this. and as we've been talking about in the analysis of the betas the stakes for this are in some ways, each man needing to show that they are capable of doing the job. that's certainly how both sides at frame it. and mitch mcconnell, not from not from tennessee, but neighboring neighboring state, nearby part of the country, or make corvettes he had this to say that i love i have a corvette. i my wife one-to-one now i'm in trouble you to are going to ganga up on me or mine is from 1989 and i have to say it's a beautiful machine, but let's watch mitch mcconnell the other problem the president has something i'm familiar with this. how but the two canada draw almost the same age so it's be really interesting to see how they play off each other. >> i mean, the reality is right now, we are a country of old men old white man. >> not man i love everywhere. i took you're up to doing the job. agents state pine and i think people have to see, i want to i want people to look at division. i worry about the vision of donald trump, by the way, who said he will be a dictator on the first bay. i think one of the toughest issues and everybody's going to be listening to this tim for donald trump is the women the right of women to make their own health care decisions? the action issue he gets very flustered over. he knows it's an issue that matters to every woman across this country. and i think that that's going to be one he wants to get the tax cuts to the uber-wealthy. what's that gonna do to the budget? how are we going to protect the middle class i'll make you this bet right now. nobody's telling me to do this summer already totally off script. okay. he'll go after evs somehow some way, but vehicles that's your that's your mega he cannot 3% and the bio disaster, i mean, you're not the slave labor making your batteries. i mean, you can go are you on i'm a motorhead. i like to cars but also but it's not it's not working. but i'm not telling you it's where the world's going. if we want to stay leader in innovation it's a force in the world. >> the world's going here. we got to make sure were there. >> well, we can at least agree that we love the corvette we love the we love each other. motor i know they did it with the mustang i'm still not sure that i'm grabbing a car wash. >> that's all i can tell 15 truck performance great. >> you all are very good. pull anything with it electric vehicle. >> i'm glad that the biggest fight we're having about electric up something else maybe this whole thing be model civility. >> i'm wonderful. see it on debate stage we are two people that respect to the french time. >> someone dingo paris from burchett. thank you very much for being here today, so much. >> all right. we are officially entering as you may have noticed, what's likely to be the final frenzied days of the supreme court's term with the justice's poised to hand down opinions on their remaining cases through the end of the week. >> already, we've seen early divisions and bitter internal and ideological conflicts as the court turns toward several high-stakes decisions on emergency abortions, the power of federal agencies and of course, donald trump's presidential immunity claim, trump argues that he has absolute presidential, absolute immunity from criminal prosecution. >> you have to leave immunity with the president if a president is afraid to act because they're worried about being indicted when they leave office of president of the united states has to have immunity and the supreme court's going to be ruling on that if they don't have immunity, no president is going to act. >> you're going to have guys have just did it offers an afraid to do anything another case before the court would impact the sentences of some january 6 rioters, a former pennsylvania police officer who was at the capitol on january 6, is challenging his federal obstruction charges. the former president was charged with violating the same obstruction law for different reasons along with 300 some 300 other rioters or panels back. >> so as evin perez, who i've mistakenly said, thank you to earlier in the show. let me start with you on the immunity question in particular, because we are entering these final days of supreme court decisions, they added thursday and friday, but we expect potentially this could go into next week here. there are a lot of dynamics on the court at play here. what are you looking for as we enter this intense phase? >> well, for us, i mean, i think the big, big question that looms over all of this is whether the court rules in a way that allows the election interference trial to go forward. judge. tanya chutkan is locked and loaded and ready to go. we think that if the court sends it back to her as we expect that she that they will they will likely say that the former president and does not have absolute immunity based on the oral arguments that seems to be the direction they're going. the question is how much? >> work that she have to do the judge have to do before restarting the trials. >> and how much time that she wanted. i mean, the big the big i think controlling factor is how much time do you need to be able to get a jury together? so it looks like about maybe 56 weeks conceivably if judge had touching gets this trial back from the supreme court she could be trying to start a trial in august sometime or early september. and the question is casey is that enough time? right? because the election is right upon, right? right looming right behind it. and so the decision will be on the part of the judge, evan as you often think of things in terms of the sweep of history and this is, i think we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that this is about it's not just about this one person, it is about the presidency, broadly speaking but it also, as evan notes, has the potential to sweepingly effect this election and whether or not voters get a chance to understand is a jury going to convict donald trump for what happened on january 46? they're not it's really worth stepping back and reminding ourselves just how extraordinary this is. you know, you've got donald trump, of course, has already been convicted in one case, and i think one thing we've learned from that is that it is very hard for us to anticipate reliably what the public response could be. there was a lot of smart people who said this is actually going to help donald trump hasn't been the case. the reality of course is we know that it has polls have suffered since then, the idea of the immunity of the presidency coming up in the fall right before this election could very well focus attention on something that would not benefit donald trump. the idea that it would introduce that whole set of questions again, for americans, do we want to put our hands, put ourselves in the hands of donald trump and all of the legal uncertainty and chaos that comes with that, that would not be a welcome development. >> bedingfield how do you see how this decision is going to actually impact the race? >> obviously, we don't know what it, what it is going to say. the likelihood seems to be that it is going to delay the case so much that voters don't actually have a chance to see what they, what they would do. but i mean, how do you think about this from a political strategy, strategic point of view? yeah. well, look, i mean, i think either way we know that biden and the biden campaign are going to continue to talk about the threat that donald trump poses to democracy based on, based largely what happened on january 6, based on his election denialism from 2020. so i think there is certainly an argument that getting to a resolution in this case would have significant political impact because i think we've seen the fallout from the conviction just a month ago, six weeks ago, has hurt trump, but whether whether this transpires before the election or not, i don't think it fundamentally changes the argument. biden is making about what americans saw with their own eyes on january 6. i mean, that's the other piece of this. i mean it was televised and people have seen the video. this is not this is not something where you need the ultimate decision from the court to make a determination about whether like donald trump was involved. we've seen significant reporting that shows that he didn't do anything to prevent the crowd from storming, from looking for mike pence from committing violence. so i think it doesn't change the way that biden talks about these issues broadly and i would imagine that if anything, it probably impacts trump. and the way trump talks about all of them there's more than it impacts the biden campaign strategy in a brief real quickly. so i disagree with both kate and obviously because if you look the numbers right, so the the verdict of the trump case record fundraising, jump, gotta bump in the polls. >> i think that the electric the electrodes kinda discounted at it right fox poll that showed biden leading absolutely. >> i mean, i will take that and i'll just keep telling you guys. >> so what past the graveyard i listed, i think that i think that president biden he's got to talk about democracy has got to talk abortion because things that move the needle and democratic side, he's got to defend the border, foreign policy, crime. i think he's in a bad spot if he's defending his records in a bad spot, if he's out attack on dropping those things. that's where he's got. he doesn't have anything else to argue about, so he's gonna go there. that's you're gonna here thursday night. it's going to all be about democracy. woman's right on dobbs and and that's where he's going to stay. trump's going to want to talk about the biden record. >> all right 51 minutes past the hour here here's your morning roundup. >> the closed-door espionage trial for wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich in russia will continue on august 13, according to russian media, gershkovich has been imprisoned since last march cnn has learned that later today, president biden is expected to pardon me, us veterans two were convicted over a 60 year period when the military banned gay sex. the pardon will affect about 2000 veterans steve bannon's upcoming criminal fraud trial file in new york will no longer be overseen by the same judge who presided over donald trump's hush money trial. bannon is preparing to report to prison on monday for defying a congressional subpoena in a separate case and the tesla's cyber truck is being recalled. again this time because of a defect with the four-foot long windshield wiper and a piece of trim that can fly off this latest recall involves almost all of the nearly 12,000 cybertrucks that are currently on the road, have you guys seen these on the streets? i mean, there was one in dc. i was it wasn't saying like i mean, it looks like a military tank. >> it's huge reminds me of the old the out we'll hummers right when they're back and when arnold schwarzenegger was driving around town? yeah, it's kinda, kinda has that. >> i don't think i don't think representative virtual and be seen very damaging electric write. >> it is. yeah. okay. well, then definitely number chip. yeah. >> all right. >> let's get back to politics in a major defeat for progressive cnn projecting the house member jamaal bowman is out after an ugly and expensive primary battle. westchester county executive george latimer defeating him by more than 15 points. according to add impact, it was the most expensive house primary race on record outside pro-israel groups pouring millions into the race to backed latimer is bid bowman taking this dig in his rival last night one this would be our justice for the rest of our so of course, bowman is the first member of the squad to lose one of their seats. >> this is really exposed. kate, the divide and the democratic party over israel and gaza. it's a very emotional one. what do you think it says about the state of things broadly? yeah. i look no doubt israel, god as i was a huge piece of this race, but i think one kind of piece of the narrative that isn't getting as much focus this morning, i think is important, is bowman also voted against the infrastructure bill. he was sort of had consistently moved away from biden's agenda. that was a centerpiece of a lot of the ads that were also pulled. the fire alarm. he also pulled a fire alarm but i think it's a confluence here of the candidate struggling and not being a great candidate. and i would argue that the idea of running away from the biden agenda didn't help them hear it was it was a centerpiece. i look more westchester county, they're not it's not a flat william throw or district to pretty sedate kind of suburban district. >> they don't want jamaal bowman. he's a bad candidate. >> well, i mean, half the district is the broccoli over it, but it's still very nice. >> a nicer area, like to gen tv. all right, there policy, meeting their politics. i'm saying it's not it's not a progressive kind of like rah, rah all right. >> i see you're saying it's not a fire. one. >> firebrands, they want someone tonight is you need to know, but i was just but i'm saying it's latimer fits the district. >> will no one is saying that thinks about the bronx. >> brock's. >> i just drove through the other day coming back from the airport great, great spot. >> all right. we are unfortunately out of time. thank you, guys so much for being here this morning. be sure to tune in tomorrow when president biden and former president trump face off in the cnn presidential debate, it starts at 9:00 p.m. eastern. it'll be broadcast live from cnn world headquarters in atlanta. >> thank you all so much. >> look at that. that's, that outside of that at the spin room and the debate all thanks very much to our panel. thanks to you for joining us. i'm kissing. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts after this big break more breaking news, we need to share with you this morning multiple wildfires burning in the 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