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behind. still, u.s. officials have maintained there is intelligence hamas was acting from within the complex. one big question is what does the operation do for hostage negotiations? a number of outlets are reporting a deal could be close at hand to release dozens of women and children. joining us now from tel aviv is nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez. raf, it's good to have you. let me ask you about al shifa hospital, the israelis have said they believe hamas is operating below the hospital. they have intelligence pointing to that. the u.s. says they have intelligence pointing to that as well. has the evidence they have produced so far backed that up? >> reporter: katy, literally in the last couple of minutes, the israeli military has released what it says is a video showing a tunnel shaft opening on the grounds of al shifa hospital. now, nbc news has not independently verified that. but israel is pointing to what it says is a tunnel opening as proof of its broader claim that hamas is operating not only a tunnel network, but a command center underneath gaza's largest medical facility, and that, they says is the justification for their decision to raid this hospital, despite the wave of international criticism that we've seen over the last 24 hours. katy, all week we have been able to check in with doctors at the hospital to hear from them what is going on by phone. that is not an option tonight because phone service all over the gaza strip is down. the two major telecoms companies say that they have literally run out of fuel, that they cannot keep their lines open. katy, yesterday, we were about a mile east of al shifa hospital at the edge of gaza city. thousands of civilians have been fleeing south by foot, trying to get away from the fighting in gaza city. i want to show you what we saw. an exodus of palestinians from gaza city is underway, children with their hands up, parents clutching i.d.s. we have been covering this war for more than a month. this is what israel's military calls a humanitarian corridor, open a few hours each day for civilians to flee on fight and escape the fighting raging in gaza city. a quarter of a million have taken this route so far, as a condition of access, nbc news agreed to blur some faces and submit our raw footage to israel's military sensors, not our final story. >> i think every jew and israeli can be proud of the fact that we're letting innocent civilians out of the fighting area to clear it out. >> for israel, this is proof the war is only against hamas, not the people of gaza. >> for palestinians, this feels like forced displacement, this is their deepest national trauma of being moved out of their homes and unsure when or if they'll ever be able to go back. >> we ask israel's military. can you guarantee these people will be able to return home one day? >> i think that is really going to be in the hands of a lot of different players. one of the main ones is going to be hamas. >> reporter: soldiers call out in hebrew, in case hamas is smuggling hostages in the crowd. >> so they're asking the children, put your arms up, we'll come and save you, don't worry. >> reporter: so far, no sign of the hostages. israel believes they're hidden in hamas's vast network of tunnels, like this shaft in a rural area near the border. >> we know if you were to go through this, you would reach our hostages. >> reporter: they found nothing in this tunnel, now they're lowering explosives. moments later, israel is searching for hostages held in darkness. palestinians heading into an exile of dust and despair. and those civilians are fleeing to the relative safety of the south of gaza, and i say relative safety, katy, because nowhere in gaza is safe. our team says there were strikes in the south just today. just to close, we heard a little while earlier on, israeli television from the family of yahoudi vice, the 65-year-old mother who the israeli military says was found dead in a building near the al shifa hospital earlier. they say they tried everything they could to raise the word about their mother's kidnapping, the kidnapping of these 240 other hostages, and all they have to do now is grieve. katy. >> it's just awful, and, raf, if you don't mind, repeat what you said up top about what israel says it claims as of now to have found in al shifa? >> reporter: so the israeli military in the last hour is saying it found the opening of a tunnel shaft on the grounds of the al shifa hospital complex. nbc news has not verified that. i've looked at the video. i have been to the al shifa hospital many times, katy. it looks to me like this opening is pretty close to the main building, but our team will geo locate it and they will be able to give a precise location. joining us is member of the knesset, and israel's former ambassador to the u.n., danny danon. met me ask you about the evidence about hamas conducting investigations from al shifa. do you believe finding a tunnel is that evidence? >> absolutely. it's not only a tunnel. we found exclusives, we found ready to go into israel on october 7th and it was prepared in the hospital. maybe something happened to the car, the engine was not working so the car was left in the hospital, and they didn't use that car. it's not only a hospital. it's a headquarter for hamas. we have seen it in the past, and i would add to that, we have knowledge that israeli hostages were brought to that hospital. so i don't know if they took them through the tunnel somewhere else, no, we gave the time to prepare to go into the hospital like you mentioned. apparently they took the hostages and moved south. but we are determined to go after them, and find them. >> what can you tell us about the operations within the hospital in terms of the people who are there being treated? the infants, are they going to be okay? is the israeli defense force going to make sure that they are safe within that hospital as they try to figure out whether hamas is still there? >> i'm proud of the morality of the idf. you know, seeing our troops and doctors coming into the hospital, speaking with the staff of the hospital, bringing supply, food, medicine, to the hospital. we don't feel comfortable about it. i can admit that, but at the same time, you know, nobody asked us about this war, it was an unprovoked attack. we are now fighting to bring back these hostages, and defeat hamas. they are hiding next to the u.n. facilities. they are very cynical, the hamas terrorists, but will continue to work slowly, and look, 40 days after we opened the war, we are not moving fast. we take our time because we want to save casualties for civilians in gaza. >> the united states is not entirely comfortable with what's happening in the hospital, even though we do have intelligence that the u.s. says, the u.s. says this, of hamas conducting operations from within that area. the u.s. is also saying right now that they're agreeing with the u.n. for humanitarian pause. that's a change. they're not vetoing a resolution, even though it doesn't have language in it that asserts israel's right to defend itself. you're hearing from both the secretary of state and the president that the only way out of this is a two-state solution. that's not something i'm hearing from israeli officials, how do you go forward with going back to a situation where there is no two-state solution. >> with all do respect to all of our friends and allies who speak about the day after, two states, three states, we are now conducting the war, we will win that war, and we are focused on the victory, and bringing back the hostages, and then we are open to discuss what will happen there. we have no intention. i want to remind you as we left gaza in 2005 completely, we actually gave the keys to the palestinian authority, and we go on, build your own nation, your own future. we are moving out. and two years later, hamas took over, and look what they did for the last 17 years. >> sounds like you're advocating for continuing to not allow a two-state solution. if you allow a two-state solution, something like hamas will organically grow. >> it depends, what you call a state. if it's a terrorist state. >> control of ports, ability to leave freely. have an airport? >> it depends, if it's going to be al qaeda, isis, hamas. look what happens to us 40 days ago, you know, we still cannot realize, you know, the damage, the horrible crimes they committed against our families. daughters, so we are not in a discussion about a state. first we have to eradicate hamas, and then we're going to work with the international community to find a viable mandate for gaza. but we're going to make sure that we will not have it again. we paid a heavy price on october 7th. we can guarantee everybody to not happen again. >> danny danon, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you, katy. joining is gershon baskin, he negotiated the peace negotiations that led to the release of a hostage in 2011. we have been talking about hostages for the past six weeks. a handful, four have been released. there is now talk once again of women and children, a larger number being report bid multiple news. nbc news has not verified this yet. what can you tell us about what you know about the negotiations and where they stand? >> i think i'll probably be the first honest person you're interviewing about this. and i'll tell you, i don't know anything. in fact, everything that's reported is false information. these negotiations are highly secretive, conducted at the highest level. the qatari track is conducted from the israeli side, the egyptian side, the head of the israeli, just a handful of cabinet members know what's going on, not the entire war cabinet. within hamas, there are three or four people who are making decisions here. not the big mouth leaders of hamas sitting in the comfortable suites in doha or beirut, but the people underground, and as the egyptian mediators and qatari mediators who make a deal here. my sense is that we're getting closer to a deal. that's the kind of atmosphere that's been created by all the talk around the deal. but there are limitations to what this deal would provide to both sides. israel is trying to maximize it to make sure it includes all the women, children and elderly, and hamas wants it to be smaller than that. israel is willing to grant a cease fire of three or four or five days, but that requires redeployment of troops. hamas would like to extend the cease fire as long as possible, to put additional pressure to end the war, so hamas can e erj victorious and in power. and hamas wants to free israeli prisoners. >> how much pressure does hamas face to release the hostages. what kind of pressure would they succumb to? >> i'm not sure there's effective pressure because i believe they are living in the delusion that they will be victorious. they will emerge from the tunnels. the war will be brought to a forced close. and hamas will still be in power in gaza. they will remain holding many hostages. even if they free women, children and elderly now. they will hold on to a sizable number of young men who are soldiers and policemen or thought to be soldiers and policemen, and they will try to get israel to release the palestinian prisoners and israeli prison. we will empty the israeli prisons. that's unlikely to happen, and yet the families of the hostages are under this daily pressure, seeing one of the hostages coming back in a body bag, and this is the fate that so many of the hostage families fear will be happening, that hostages could be expendable in the eyes of hamas. we don't know how she died or was killed but we know that her body was found after she was taken alive from her home in gaza. >> let me ask you about the raid on al shifa, does that help or hurt the cause of getting hostages outs? >> it's a toss of a coin. the israeli military experts say the more we push into gaza, the more we expose the tunnels, the more pressure we're putting on hamas. on the other hand, hamas might respond differently. the more pressure put on them, may do horrible things with the hostages. we don't know. it's a game of poker, i suppose. someone is trying to bluff the other side into making a deal. it's a very big risk that's going on. no doubt that once israel claimed that the command center of hamas was under the hospital, they have to prove it, and it's taking a long time to prove. i would not say that the evidence they have provided yet proves what israel has been saying so far about the importance of the underground tunnels and command centers around al shifa hospital. i hope it proves true. it would make it a legitimate target, the largest hospital in gaza. we're dealing with a very difficult and sensitive situation, with a lot of innocent casualties on both sides, and the poor people of israel and palestine are suffering greatly for decisions that have been made for decades. >> i don't have any more time left, but i want to ask you more quickly. have you heard anything from gaza since we last spoke? >> nothing. he hasn't opened my messages to him. even though as i told you that i would, if we can save human lives, i would continue to talk to him. but he hasn't even looked at those messages. >> gershon baskin, thank you very much for joining us as always. >> thank you, katy. coming up next, we have a verdict in the case against the man accused of attacking nancy pelosi's husband. we are live in san francisco after the break. plus, what donald trump is really feeling as he faces almost 100 felony counts in four criminal cases. and it's not exactly a confident feeling. jonathan carl is here with his behind the scenes reporting and his new book. what congressman george santos announced today about his plans for reelection. we're back in 60 seconds. 60 secs rsv can be a dangerous virus [sneeze] for those 60 and older. it's not just a cold. and if you're 60 or older... you may be at increased risk of hospitalization from this highly contagious virus. not all dangers come with warning labels. talk to your pharmacist or doctor about getting vaccinated against rsv today. rsv vaccines, including pfizer's, are now available. febreze! your bathroom... needs febreze small spaces... the always-on, odor-fighting air freshener you set and forget. no outlets used, no batteries needed, no effort required. so your bathroom stays continuously fresh for 45 days. that's the power of febreze small spaces. 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jury said that they believe that he did this intentionally, and that he did it because of nancy pelosi's job in congress. we have a statement from the pelosi family, which reads in part, the pelosi family is very proud of their pop who demonstrated extraordinary composure and courage on the night of the attack a year ago and in the courtroom this week. thankfully mr. pelosi continues to make progress and recovery. we heard from both paul pelosi and david depape. paul pelosi talked about how this attack impacted him. how he still has headaches and lightheadedness and that his hair is starting to grow back. he had a little bit of levity there when he talked about that being part of his italian roots. and david depape continues to spew his conspiracy theories about some leaders in our company, and their affiliation with what he called child pedophilia, so he's back in court in december where he will be sentenced. he faces up to 50 years for both charges. >> dana griffin, thank you very much. let's talk a little bit more about political rhetoric and the ties it has to political violence. joining us now is abc news chief washington correspondent, jonathan carl, the author of the new book, tired of winning. donald trump in the end of the grand ol party. it's such a treat to have my friends on the show from other networks. i always like it when you write a book so i can have you come on. >> i spent a lot of time with you on the campaign trail in 2016. let's talk about the book, and donald trump and his feeling of being okay with inciting political anger, which sometimes can lead to political violence. when you're talking about where he went in the aftermath of january 6th, and in the after math of his announcement he was running for president, you talk about a town in texas, and you talk about political violence that could erupt from waco, talk to me about that, and how it ties into who donald trump is, and the donald trump that he's projecting on the campaign trail now. >> it wasn't just any campaign, it was the very first rally of his 2024 presidential campaign. he went to waco on the 30th anniversary of the federal showdown of the branch dividian cult. and killed 80 people and became the rallying cry for far right wing militias who felt the government was coming to get them. one of those people was timothy mcveigh who two years later blew up the oklahoma federal building in the greatest act of domestic terrorism in american history, and that is the place that donald trump announced his campaign. >> trump davidians. he said we aren't the trump, it's explicit, the theme of the campaign is one of retribution, vengeance, going after trump's enemies. he says they're coming after me because the real target is you. that's what he tells his people, and therefore we are going to go after them. >> we saw a comfort with violence in 2016, 2015, 2016, that was so surprising at the time. there was a continued comfort for violence, while donald trump was president. charlottesville, you know, both sides. there's january 6th. i mean, it just gets progressively worse. it's no longer punching people at rallies, i'll pay your legal bills or, you know, a protest that goes wildly wrong in charlottesville. then it's, you know, an insurrection at the capitol. it makes you worry about what might happen next. >> shortly after the search of mar-a-lago by the fbi, we had a guy show up at the cincinnati field office of the fbi with the intent to kill fbi agents. it's real. the danger has escalated, i think, since 2016. and, you know, he talks in apocalyptic terms about this election. he says 2024 is the final battle. the final battle, as if we're headed toward some big event, where it's not just voting. and by the way, there's something that steve bannon told me that haunted me more than anything i learned in this book. went to him at one point, aren't you afraid of violence, and he said, without missing a beat, no, because we're going to win. >> and when he says that, do you think he says we're going to win, doesn't matter what the results are, we're going to win or that he actually believes they'll win fair and square? >> the implications are that he's so convinced they're going to win, if they don't, who the hell knows what will happen. look, he thinks that trump is coming back. another point he said to me, you understand we're going to win. you understand this is happening. i'm not so convinced of that at all. polls are what they are, but it's certainly possible. >> can we talk about the court cases because much of donald trump's life right now is mired in showing up to court or going through legal briefs or viewing classified material as part of the case in florida. on the outside, the team and donald trump are projecting confidence, saying this only helps them, and the polls show that it does. internally from your reporting, does he seem more nervous? is he more worried about what might happen from one or all of these court cases? >> my sense is the case that consumes him more than anything is actually the civil case brought by the new york attorney general? >> the one he showed up for. >> he spent eight days so far in that courtroom. he spent more days in that courtroom since early october than he has on the campaign trail, and the campaign and the political cases are entirely interspersed. i think it does freak him out, the notion of possible prison time, and i think that's what's giving energy to a campaign that frankly had no energy when he first announced it a year ago. he is facing a situation where he either wins, i think, in his mind or potentially goes to prison. >> one other question, you talk about kevin mccarthy going back to see donald trump after the insurrection. you talked about ronna mcdaniel initially saying is that she, you know, worrying that when donald trump said he wasn't going to be a part of the republican party any longer, that she had to threaten him herself with not paying his legal bills. there's lindsey graham, republicans senators said after the insurrection they were done and then found themselves crawling back to him. is it because they were concerned for their own personal safety? >> i think that is part of it. kevin mccarthy told me something just a few days after january 6th. he said to me, there are people back in my district who would storm the capitol all over again. this was just days after the attack on the capitol. so lindsey graham had the famous incident when he turned on trump for about 12 hours. he goes into national airport and gets mobbed by trump supporters, threatening him, brow beating him. i think there's some of that. and also there's the naked political calculation. mccarthy wanted to be speaker of the house, he wanted the republicans to win back the majority. he felt he needed to bring trump in. if trump left, those people wouldn't come out and vote. ronna mcdaniel, same thing, he'd take enough voters that republicans wouldn't win either. look what happened in the after math, mccarthy does become speaker of the house, to what end, he's no longer speaker. ronna mcdaniel, she's worried about republicans losing, they have lost in every single election since 2016. special elections, midterm elections, runoff elections. >> they have lost on issues. >> and so i think the calculation may have proved to be wrong but that is the calculation they have made and now of course ronna mcdaniel has people calling for her head in terms of her leadership of the rnc, including apparently donald trump. >> jonathan karl, the book is called "tired of winning," are you tired of winning yet? >> not quite. >> john, thanks for being here. we appreciate it. coming up, why one of donald trump's codefendants could end up back in jail. we're live in fulton county after the break. >> and $50,000 in campaign donations transferred to his personal account. what else the house ethics committee found in its investigation into george 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. congressman george santos will not seek reelection after the house ethics committee announced it found, quote, substantial evidence he broke the law. in the report, the committee says santos used thousands of dollars in campaign funds to pay for things like botox, luxury shopping and travel. joining us now, jake sherman, expelling once before failed, why would it work now? >> because everyone, katy, said they want to wait for the ethics report, which the committee said would be out before november 17th. that's tomorrow, it came out tomorrow, and katy, i'll tell you what, i was watching this with john bresnahan, a frequent guest of this hour. this is as damming of an ethics report as either of us have seen. the details of him allegedly misusing campaign funds, effectively having a side hustle business. just the lack of -- the fact that this happened and no one knew for so long is just stunning. so i do think, and we have done an informal canvas of lawmakers right now, and everybody we have talked to have switched their vote. i would imagine they'll get to the 2/3 threshold, which is required to boot santos from congress, and that will happen right after thanksgiving. >> what happens if he's booted? >> he's gone. they have to hold a special election. >> it's a special election, and that's open. it's not the governor appointing someone or the republican party appointing someone. >> no, exactly right. the house doesn't take appointments, it's a special election, in which democrats, by the way, katy, have a very good chance of winning. which would narrow the republicans' already narrow majority, so this has political impact. it has substantiative impact, and, katy, remember, he has been indicted. he doesn't only have the ethics committee, he has also been indicted. him saying he's not going to run again is not terribly relevant to h future. >> joining usow is author of the upcoming book, the fabulous, the lying, hustling, grifting, stealing and very american legend of george santos. the book isn't out yet, but you're already making news with it. this ethics report detailed quite a bit, and it's stuff that you have in here. walk me through what he was spending all of this money on. >> i mean, one of the great things about this ethics report is it just shows definitively the kind of patterns that he has been living his whole life, what i have been reporting on the last couple of months. he has always been interested in gamble, always been interested in shaping his body, botox, ozempic, liposuction and now we know he was spending campaign money on them. >> why did he think spending campaign money was okay, that he could get away with that? >> one thing i learned about him, if you can imagine he will try it. he's tried every hustle, small or big. >> it was so sloppy, when he was filing his campaign finance reports, everything was just, you know, just under the threshold that would be audited and when you do it that many times, you spend $999.99, i think it's up to 10,000, actually, didn't he realize that that would look suspicious? >> you know, he's been doing kind of suspicious things his whole life, and he's never really gotten fully caught, and so i think that he just kept trying, you know, and he never had -- he was acting with impunity his whole life and only now he hitting the wall. >> why has he not resigned? >> i think he has very little reason to resign. no great things are coming in his future, right, until he's done with kind of his jail time and is on "dancing with the stars" or something like that. >> why is someone obsessed with luxury want to become a u.s. congressperson, which is not the most luxurious job or the most luxurious paycheck. >> what i was writing about was two-fold, he was interested in the money he could make and fund a very nice lifestyle, on the campaign dime or even more simply just going out to nice restaurants, right, so that's part of it, and he also, i think, got caught up in this kind of mail mall storm of this, you know, post 2016 moment where politics was like the exciting thing to be in, and he's the kind of guy that is sort of interested in being famous and a little sloppy and messy. >> it's a good salary on paper, but not one that will support a $400,000 shoe habit. >> when does the book come out? 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the reason the gag order on is he was worried he would engage his clerk, his staffers. >> judge engoron is beyond his jurisdiction in issuing these gag orders, until a full appellate court can hear this petition, they have convinced a judge on the first department, that's the appeals court that oversees judge court that oversees judge erg gron. >> why wouldn't he have authority to put a gag order on a case he's overseeing? >> not really sure. saying the way the gag order was issued and not subject matter specific. for example, but pertains to all things concerning the staff, limited them from these motions and making a record. because of that it violates new york law and -- >> that argument in the last days of court last week, i believe. >> that's right. >> where the trump lawyers were saying we want to file a motion regarding discussions, and judge. >> he said we'll handle it in a delicate manner. i would say it was anything but the delicate manner they promised him, and not only that, having not proceeded in that effectively jumped over his head seeking the appellate court. >> see what happens next. thank you for returning in to help us understand this. on heel of the first one-on-one with xi jinping in more than a year, president biden addressed apec saying the u.s. will inves $40 billion into indo pacific policies. something the u.s. and china agreed to jointly tackle ahead of the meeting between biden and xi and biden notably did not mention after the hours' long sitdown they had yesterday. joining us now, "new york times" chief white house correspondent and nbc news political analyst peter baker. so, peter, explain all of these, the different desires that are at play here. what president xi wants. what president biden wants. how apec comes into the picture. >> yeah. one thing president biden and president xi both want, seems, lower temperature of the relationship that's increased in the last year. the spy balloon,remember, and nancy pelosi's trill to taiwan. as far as it went, modest agreements resuming military-to-military communications. pretty important. a phone picked up during the five balloon caper earlier this year. the defense secretary left basically that on hold, in effect. that's not a small thing but not a big thing either. big issue, taiwan, chinese aggression in the south china sea, very much in conflict between the two. that's why you see the president talking at apec telling them, with you as you yourselves face concerns about china's aggression and actions in the region. may not use it to directly challenge china in this way but that's the import what he's saying. >> one of the concerns of the biden administration and a campaign talking point for republicans is defensible. time after time making it worse. they come to agreement on limiting the amount of fentanyl sent into this country? >> agreement limiting fentanyl component parts, the thing needed to create the fentanyl coming into this country but had this before. not really a question whether they'll agree but follow-up on ate agreement. remains to be seen. the president shows progress, important progress on fentanyl, it's a priority here in the united states. tens of thousands of americans suffered as a result of this epidemic. so he wanted to show progress. depends how far the chinese go following up on what they promised to do. that's, of course, uncertainty given their record. >> peter baker. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. coming up next, an nbc news investigation into the rise of anti-semitic incidents here in the united states in since start of the israel-hamas war. that's after the break. erhe br when better money habits® content first started coming out, it expanded what i could do for special olympics athletes with developmental needs. thousands of bank of america employees like scott spend countless hours volunteering to teach people how to reach their financial goals. it felt good. it felt like i could take on the whole world. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. skin-carving next level hydration? 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is there a way to tamp couldn't on the heated rhetoric or the social media that makes it so much harder? >> saw with elon musk. don't want to get into it, what elon musk said earlier today and then backtracked is part of the challenge and part of the special, didn't do last time around, convened a group of jewish college students from different schools in the northeast talking about their experiences. i do think until we can sort of reconcile, reckon with, the idea we have free speech in the united states and that makes our country great, and some of that speech can be very harmful to people on college campuses we'll have hard time looking and talking to each other. what we're continuing to encourage in the special. that the way that this is going on social media is not the way it has to be in real life. we're all own social media. it's hard today to pick up the phone because feels like we're all yelling at each other. not what we do. >> a lot of anger is breaking out in washington, on capitol hill, among elected leaders. also a lot of anger towards the administration for people feeling like they are too much on the side of israel and not enough on the side of incident gazans caught in the middle of this? >> we don't do, tonight, what we don't do, spend a lot of time talking politics and don't spend a lot of time talking about sort of the arguments people are having with one another. we're talking about feelings, honestly. really. it's hard for so many people and not just hard for jews. again, until we have that conversation with one another we have to have, we have to have part iii of this special talking about anti-semitism again. it's not new. it's a new moment in time. context bringing up the conversation again, but it's a conversation that we had a year ago and will have again probably a year from now. but important we do it. i'm grateful we are. >> thank you so much. special called "epidemic of hate: anti-semitism on the rise" that's tonight. that does it for

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