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what has he accomplished independent of the public perception? let's look at how we got to where we are now. the theme of the biden presidency has been inheriting a succession of essentially unprecedented crises, crises that have afflicted the entire world and have produced way worse economic outcomes in other peer countries. the source of all this, the original source is that we had, as you might remember, a once in a century pandemic, globally, that killed millions of people, shut down most of the world economies, shut down entire industries, and then we tried to come back out of it. that's a basically to remember. now as president you get credit for things when things are good, to get blamed when things are bad. even if they're out of your control in both directions. we saw this in 2019 when donald trump had done essentially nothing to help the economy, in fact did his best to hurt it with massive tax cuts for the wealthy corporations in the ridiculous trade war. but he still presided over an economy that was finally recovering after a financial crisis a decade later and he got the credit for it. we also saw it in 2020, to a certain extent, when covid annihilated the u.s. economy and the incumbent president, donald trump, lost. once biden took over, basically from the moment he was sworn in, we became inundated with negative messaging about the economy. some of it, a lot of, it was rooted in real crises the administration had to tackle, in a lot of it was overhyped. this collective freak out about the freak out happened across the ecosystem but it was most pronounced on fox news. i think it's worth taking a look at what exactly americans have been hearing about the economy over the past three years and compare that with the actual circumstances, and crucially, how the biden white house responded. they had heard the circumstance, the response is up to them. let's start with the big issue of workers. biden took office amid an unprecedented global pandemic. remember, there was not even a widely available vaccine when he was sworn in. as a result, the biden administration continued the economic stimulus, they passed on a party line vote, the american rescue plan, huge, huge, huge amount of aid to families directly, including additional direct cash payments, additional $300 a week in unemployment benefits. this was a big risk. and fox's response to labor shortages, which were real, amid a deadly pandemic, was that suddenly nobody wanted to work anymore. >> biden created a labor shortage because he gave workers way too much free money. 183,000 people dropped out of the labor force. >> biden created a labor shortage. >> labor shortage. >> labor shortage. >> an 81-year-old woman pitches in during the nationwide labor shortage. >> they just can't find people. >> with the labor shortage people are making more money to stay home, they're bringing out the robots. >> some businesses had trouble finding workers because it was a real challenge for the white house, especially when the delta variant hit that summer and more than hundred thousand people were still being hospitalized every week. but what happened? the biden administration continued its vaccination campaign. the virus subsided in its -- to a point where people were comfortable going to work in person. equally is important, the bold agenda of economic stimulus really worked. unemployment rates dropped massively from 6. 3% in president biden took over to 3. 9% in the last jobs report. again, you can see it right there on the chart. that's a chart that you want to go down. that's the unemployment rate you want to go down. you don't need to be an economist to understand that the line did just that. people definitely do want to work. it's a hot job market. so, okay, fox mostly moved off the nobody wants to work anymore narrative once the job numbers improved and it was clear people did not work. there was a new boogie man. the supply chain. to be clear, these issues were very real. again, especially in the aftermath of covid, which disrupted just about everything. fox took the opportunity, starting all the way back in october, 2021, spinning the end biden was responsible to the supply chain issues and apparently do it to ruin christmas for america's children. >> the christmas presents you want? probably stuck on a ship somewhere. >> economists are warning many christmas presents for your kids, they're not gonna be arriving in time. >> holidays a bit harder this year for many americans, thanks to joe biden. >> we called joe biden scooter the grinch? >> the grinch who stole christmas. >> the grinch who stole christmas and american greatness. >> democrats are going to be stealing our children's future. just like the grinch of the middle of the night, slithering around those presents. >> you get that? you get a comparison? the grinch, the famous darvish's character, ruin christmas? but months before fox started its latest war on christmas, biden had put on the task force to combat the supply chain issues. by fall he announced the portal as angela's will be working 24/7 to clear the backlog as well as additional investments for u. p. s. synthetics to make sure packages got moving. by november the heads of a bunch of major retail companies were shutting from the rooftops that was no supply chain issue affecting holiday shopping. in fact it, holiday spending in 2021 grew nearly 15% from the year before, shattering all kinds of records. crisis averted, the presidents were under the tree. to be clear, it was not just christmas presents. early last year, biden administration was dealing with a very real scary shortage of baby formula. and for together another plan to increase supply and fix allocation issues, which were caused both by a shattered factory and a product we call. white house later's declared production increase year over year under their watch. by october, shell stocks were back where they were before the crisis started. so by this point biden's been president for two years. the midterm elections were approaching. republicans didn't have a ton to run on, especially after that dobbs decision struck down abortion rights. they are best, hope the central hope, was the economy and inflation, which really had been spiking for a whole bunch of reasons, including around the world, and partly because -- as well as the lingering this repercussions of the pandemic. fox news did its best to act as the messaging of the republican party, spending day after day talking about eggs. >> egg prices for the month of december, up 60%. >> 59. 9% on eggs. >> eggs now are through the roof. >> the price of eggs. >> prices on eggs. >> egg prices. >> egg-flation. >> eggs are so expensive. >> the eggs are becoming so expensive, no more easter eggs. >> everybody i know is getting chickens so they can have their own eggs. >> inflation is an interesting case in that it wasn't about broader inflation. in 2022, an avian flu killed tens of millions of egg-laying chickens, another example of the supply crunch. guess what? the ship corrected course. farmers raised new chickens, egg prices came back down, your omelet is not in danger. believe it or not, eggs were not the primary target of fox's breathless inflation coverage. fox took out the big guns for perhaps the most salient political issue of our time. >> let's talk about the pain at the pump. we are paying some of the highest prices in american history. >> another daily record high. . >> gas >> prices through the roof. >> gas prices through the. with >> gas prices are now through the roof. >> gas prices through the roof. >> gas prices through the roof. >> pain in the. gas gas prices surging. >> republicans, and their eyes are not. inflation specifically at the pomp, when you see the prices every day, in theory that should've been a clear attack. after all, there was a major land war in europe and a mass blockade of russian oil in the oil prices really really went up. and one point gas was averaging more than five bucks a gallon. gallant did joe biden cause? it doesn't matter. the single-minded campaign message was not particularly effective, especially when being delivered by some truly terrible candidates. the big red wave did not materialize. so you've got to think that many voters do not blame the democrats for gas prices even after months of folks those stickers might be something quite different for better or for my opinion worse, and guess what, gas prices are down from their highest. the national average is 22 a gallon the lowest at following a steady decline. and that tracks of all kinds of prices. inflation has cooled dramatically with rates declining from the peak of about last year to about 3. 2%. again, you don't hear fox news talking too much about the price of gas these days, or the price of eggs, or christmas presents. and so the story of the biden presidency so far has been this series of metaphorical meteors hitting the earth. unexpected, in many instances unprecedented, that the white house had to attend. to each one has cost huge cycles of a negative coverage, around the clock panic across media. and the biden administration has attempted to do something with problem in nearly every case. in many cases they saw a real tangible success, which is to say, in most cases they quietly do their job. then he moved on to the next crisis. but that is not the message getting to fox news. the entire economy is going to collapse any minute. >> first let me say for the record, it's a recession. i'm telling, you it's a recession. >> if it smells like a recession, walks like a recession, it's a recession. we begin with the biden recession. >> the biden recession. >> the biden recession. >> the biden recession. >> the auto industry is in recession, the housing industry is in recession, retailers in recession, advertising is in recession. >> recession is a certainty. >> visible consumer and business confidence because we are here we are hearing recession, recession, recession. >> that's interesting because she's right at one level. the dismal news is because they're hearing recession recession, although there's no eminent recession. according to recent survey business economists the overwhelming majority of them, where the 75%, do not believe a recession is likely. in fact, the fundamentals of the economy are much sound or than you might think they're. gdp is absolutely booming. even more importantly, this is central, real wages are rising. that means wages right now are rising faster than inflation, which means working people have more purchasing power. in fact, the largest wage gains have happened in the bottom 40% of workers. from the bottom up, the certain recession is now far from certain. it may even appear unlikely, which itself is a minor miracle. we are left in this weird place where people feel bad about the economy. i'm not telling anyone how to feel or what their finances are. people feel how they fear feel. if they're stressed or stressed. housing prices are fine. but the weird thing about presidents, the way their credit blame works is presidents get blamed for the bad stuff, praise for the good. even when the fed had more to do with cooling inflation than the white house does. but i also think that from the perspective eke of economic management, dealing with what's dealt you, biden is not getting the praise he deserves. if you were evaluating presidential -- you've got to keep the rules consistent. donald trump's buddies on fox want to praise him for the great economy from 2017 to 2019 while ignoring the 2020 disaster that unfolded under his watch. they want you to believe trump 's term only last three years, and then he just disappeared. before biden took over and a bunch of bad stuff happen under his watch. the actual record is a donald trump oversaw the biggest job loss of a president in american history, along with mass death an abject disaster. you might say that was not donald trump's fault. fair enough, but inflation, the supply chain, and eggs, and russia's invasion of ukraine, and spiking gas prices and shipping backlogs? 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what are they asking be done? >> they're asking for a state of all proceedings before judge chutkan. it's not just a pause in the trial, it's a pause of everything. pretrial motions, discovery, et cetera, until his appeal can be fully resolved. that means not just an appeal to the d. c. circuit, but potentially an appeal to the supreme court. so when you talk about running out the clock, it's certainly possible that we could get through this appellate process and give judge chutkan time before the 2024 election to try this case. but donald trump is going to try every play in the book, both to stay the case pending appeal, and then to delegate that appeal and not expedite it so that he doesn't have to be tried before november, in the hopes that by january he can stop this case dead in its tracks. >> now we get into some complicated procedural questions, but hang with me here. chutkan, i think, i'm going to bet, is going to say no, i'm not gonna do that. you're free to do an appeal. we'll keep things moving along. we've got till march. you do your appeal. the trains could move on parallel tracks. he is then going to try to appeal that decision, right, and go to the d. c. court and say no, we've got to stay everything. that's when the first indication will be a while he gets appellate judges sympathetic, we're gonna pause things for a minute. do i have that right? >> i think that's right. if they do pause it, which i don't think they need to, i think there's a very strong common sense judicial management aspect of let's move, ahead let's get ready, and if on the ultimate issue in the course of the people agree with you and you can't be tried, all bets are off. but in the meantime let's move forward. if they did put a stop to everything including discovery, pretrial motions, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're leaning towards him on the merits. they're just being cautious to freeze things. i don't think they need to do that, but it may not be -- >> i agree with that, but the next question becomes you've got to expedite review. i want to be clear. we are all human beings who read the news. everyone understands the game here. every single person on that team, every supreme court justice, every clerk, everyone in the building, know exactly what's happening. so lisa, if you say yes we're going to pause it all, it seems like the government is going to say fine, let's get quickly to the merits on this. this is very important. let's move it along. >> that's true. and chris, the other option to the d. c. circuit is to grant and ensure endurance day, whether a longer term stays pending the appeal. i think it's possible that trump will get an interim stay, which could last anywhere from a couple days to a couple weeks. the reason why he says he's entitled to appear i don't think carries weight. he says the d. c. circuits opinion last week mandates that he can't be subject to any pre-trial proceedings, much less a trial, where he has a constitutional immunity defense, because it basically prejudices him prior to discovery on the merits. but here he was given all the discovery in the case. and so both the fact that this is the broken text, the civil context, even the fact that he has been participating in discovery, maybe not only is he not prejudiced, he's bringing this motion too late. indeed, he had asked judge chutkan to stay the case pending his motion that she decided last week, and she also denied that in november. some charges, th tax charges against hunter biden. these are coming out of a california district. i think that's probably where he was living at the time, failure to file and pay taxes, false or fraudulent tax return, failure to file and pay taxes. your thoughts on that? >> i think this has been somewhat of a debacle for the justice department and the special prosecution. it really looks like they are punishing him for their messy plea bargaining ability and failure to resolve it. with these kinds of attacks charge and i'm not talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. the fact that he had already paid it back, that usually will absolve a person of the criminal charges here. but the charges are not unexpected. the plea fell apart so theoretically anything you want to resolve comes. back >> for context, people that don't know tax law would be astounded by the insane bitter not dealt with criminally and are basically in the civil system hughes amounts of money and you've got to go out of your way very high bar for criminal prosecution of tax charge. >> that's right. and what i remember from the earlier proceedings, chris, our colleague at news, to the extent the hunter biden case reveals a two tiered system of justice, it disfavored hunter biden at the stage where we were expecting about the plea agreement and a diversion on the gun charges, there are people who thought even that was too harsh. so now that he is subject to not one but two indictments, one of the district of delaware and now this new tax indictment, in california, i think that really thoroughly deflates the trumpian argument that there are two systems of justice and donald trump is the one disfavor by it. >> lisa rubin, who is not here because it's the first night of hanukkah, happy hanukkah. and shan yu, thank you. what a texas -- goes out of his way to threaten doctors in the hospital that might provide that care. that's next. rsv is out there. for those 60 years and older protect against rsv with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. i chose arexvy. rsv? 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>> and it was true. and it paved the way for people to reconcile them so people would have some misgivings, or were antsy about him, well think about the supreme court picks. you can understand why that would be something you would need to cover. this is a wish list of a person who has four indictments outstanding right now. astounding kinds of issues between now and election day next year. it's maybe a little premature. >> i think one of the things of the short term parts of this strategies can evicting confidence about the primary. the primary does not exist. i am the nominee, i'm going to run away with it. i'm not going to any of the debates. that is borne out by the data that he is a front runner. but all the does feel to me like a bit of a psych job, and i'm curious as to someone who spent some time in republican politics, how much of that is directed to the primary audience as well? >> let me try to bridge these two ideas. first i do take it very seriously, but i do think we are being tested. i think we are having a lot of ideas floated out to see what they can get away with. at the same time these things are thought very well thought of. this is not just donald trump coming up on the wish list of crazy people that he would install. these are plans in policies that will turn his most outrageous extreme right rhetoric into action if these people are installed in the event of a donald trump when. you want to talk about how this plays into the republican primary? 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people who served in his administration, and republicans investigated for treason, because that's what you are voting for. some of this does seem a little ridiculous but it will translate into action so i take it extremely seriously. >> there's one place they've been doing this on threats to the media. that there is one of his lackeys was saying that a second trump administration would come after people in the media and courts. there have been a lot of threats toward the media really violent language. it has happened before, but there's a concerted effort. as a reporter myself, that is serious and like i am not scared of you. those are my two feelings. because it is meant to intimidate someone. >> absolutely. this is even going back to the enemy of the people era and the way that he would weaponize the crowd against reporters were there to cover. i experienced that personally. lots of people can give you the war stories about this. at the same time and i've been saying this for many years, we should really as american journalists, we should be taking for seriously the experiences of our colleagues abroad who have more knowledge about how you cover authoritarian politicians. but we have to kind of pummel ourselves and see this knowledge and this information is pertinent to us now that in a way that we never thought it would be, that's where we are at this moment. >> do you think the authoritarian stuff helps him politically inside the republican primary? amanda? >> here's what i think. i think it's to the average republican voter who doesn't pay as much attention to the stuff as we do, it projects strength. here's what worries me. it's not just donald trump. what is happened to the larger whatever you want to call a conservative neck work, republican apparatus, there has been this transformation of the party so that traditionally when i came into it, you had brought, expensive government, limited government, limited spending, all this. but now you look at some organization like the heritage foundation. you pop open their mandate for the national republican president, it is just a 900 -page argument for expanded, unfettered executive power. transformation of the party so that trudigdsally when i came into it you were direct, broad, expansive government. we've got limited government, limited spending, all this. now you look at organizations like the heritage foundation. you pop open their mandate for the next republican