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country hundred about it on the free internet. of course, china's internet heavily censored. >> it will ripley, thanks so much appreciate it. the news can use the source of kaitlan collins starts now cma straight to the source tonight, he will not be intimidated. a fiery attorney general's slamming what he says are unprecedented entered attacks that up we republican smears and lies about the department of justice and donald trump, former fbi director james comey, will join me live and a dramatic election. your action on the border, president biden, imposing sweeping new restrictions they take effect at midnight tonight. but some democrats say he's taking a paige out of donald trump's immigration playbook and believe it or not, it's actually primary night here in america, we are awaiting calls at any time now on critical races i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source for someone who doesn't really blues there, cool, that often, if at all, it was what as angry as we have seen, merrick garland, the attorney general, coming face-to-face with many of the same republicans who have spread conspiracy theories. and frankly, it's lot out lies about donald trump's conviction and what they say is this grand conspiracy proceed by president biden and the department of justice to get him there was of course, zero evidence that president biden had anything to do with donald trump's new york case, which was brought by a local prosecutor over whom garland himself has no control the attorney general today forcefully pushed back on characterizations of the fbi's search of mar-a-lago in 2022, saying it wasn't some green light to use lethal force or some ridiculous plot by president biden to assassinate his predecessor as donald trump has claimed extremely dangerous false. so its are being spread about the fbi's law enforcement operations, heinous threats of violence being directed at the justice department's career civil servants i will not be intimidated. and the justice department will not be intimidated garland warning has republican critics at the baseless attacks are putting law enforcement and harm's way. >> yet here is donald trump. today's still pushing some of those claims crooked joe biden's doj in their illegal and unconstitutional rate of mar-a-lago authorize the fbi to use deadly lethal force. >> can you believe that? >> no, you can't actually believe that because it's not true. the attorney general noted today, as we have reported here, that language in a search warrant was standard operating procedure focused actually on limiting the use of lethal force and what to do in that scenario. it is the exact same language that was also in the search warrant for president biden's home but trump's allies seem to have turned a deaf ear on all of those facts digging in even more justice is no longer blind in america today is driven by politics. >> example number one. it's president trump you had no problem dispatching matthew colangelo's, whose matthew clashes false? >> i did not dispatch matthew colangelo's matric potential pops up and alvin bragg's office to go get trump for the first time in american history. we do have a presidential administration is working to put its opponent in jail. this is entirely your work, including approving and unprecedented search of a former president's home he went on like that for roughly five hours on capitol hill today. but here tonight, straight to the source of those is one of the few people who knows what it's like to be in that seat that carlin within today, the former fbi director and the author of the new crime thriller westport, james comey and director comey, it's great to have you it's interesting to watch garland's hearing today and how he was pushing back. you've been critical in the past of his ability to communicate quickly with the american people about, about what exactly it is that the department of justice is doing in light of these republican attacks. i wonder how you think he did today? >> i think it was great. it was great to see the attorney general stand up for the integrity of the institution that he leads i let it was great that the fbi put out a very quick statement after trump issued that outrageous lie about the use of deadly force, so-called in the search warrant in mar-a-lago, which was remarkable because we don't often see the fbi put statements out like that. >> yeah. it has to be out there because the lie soaks into the national bloodstream. people believe when a former president says things as crazy as they may be, it's really important for those who know better to speak up quickly before that becomes sort of baked into our national conversation. >> what do you think's behind that change in how the fbi operated? i mean, you obviously were intimately familiar with it. you lead the department what do you make of what's different from how it was then to issuing statements like this, pushing back on donald trump's claims i think they've seen the damage that these lies can do. i would guess. i don't know for sure, but i would guess their reaction to some of the lies over the last few years was who would believe that. but millions of people will believe that. and so it's important, given that your institution depends upon public trust and confidence that you counter that lie, you don't want to be in rapid reaction, political spin type room. but you need to supply facts to the american people. >> what do you garland's demeanor today is not often how we see him. that's it was quite forceful for him at least. >> does it tell us something in your view about the level of alarm that these kinds of attacks are having, not just on the fbi or the justice department main justice, but, but kind of on the justice system overall in the united states the thing we have in common, despite are diverse disagreements about important policy issues in this country, is the rule of law. >> if the american people don't believe that there is justice, that the institutions are carrying about facts and the law were lost if a president can incite a mob to sack the capital and millions of people just say yeah, no big deal. were lost. and so i think the attorney general feels a sense of urgency to speak to that, to make sure people understand the rule of law is real and it is essential to this country given today's hearing was supposed to focus i mean, it's hard to it feels like a replay of last night we were talking with dr. fauci about a hearing that was extensively supposed to be on what we don't know what we've learned about covid-19. >> it turned into a lot of partisan attacks on dr. fauci. obviously, it seems like that's what we saw today. >> what this was supposed to be about was garland requesting president biden to assert executive privilege over audio tapes of his interview with his special counsel, robert hur, given garland was the one who pushed for that. >> do you believe that the attorney general made the right call? >> i don't know enough to have an informed thought on that. i mean, they have the transcript for having six. and so if you want to know what joe biden said at any moment during that interview, you can read it. i guess the concern at the fbi in particular is if we start turning over tapes of interviews, that'll chill future interviews that doesn't strike me as a unreasonable argument. but i'm not an expert in it when the her report came out in february, we had your former deputy on this show, andrew mccabe, and he told me he believed that there were nauseated similarities as he described it between how that report characterized president biden while while not charging him, and with your actions in 2016 with respect to hillary clinton and her for email investigation do you see those similarities hard for me to save and maybe i'm too close to it. what we tried to do in 2016 was explain why secretaries clinton's conduct didn't rise to the level of a crime. we had to characterize it in order to have our words make sense. i saw hur's report or taken a little bit of a swing beyond that characterization, that seemed to go much farther than anything we did. >> you think it went further than you describing her actions as careless right before the election sure. >> i do. and again, maybe people see it differently than i, but in in early july of 2016 in order to explain why this didn't rise to the level of intentional misconduct, we had to say what it was. and so what we said, which it was is that it was extremely careless, but we didn't go out of our way to describe the demeanor of the subject of the investigation, to characterize the person in the way that the special counsel did in that report. so i see it as very different and you think robert hur went too far? >> it sounds like it's felt to me like he took some swings that he really didn't need to take in order to characterize the evidence and explain why there wasn't sufficient evidence to bring a case donald trump, since i've last seen you on cnn, has now become the first former president to become a convicted felon you predicted before the verdict came down as the jury was still deliberating as the case is still being presented, that that he could potentially be convicted do you believe it's likely that the judge will sentence him to jail in this situation. >> i don't know. i would ordinarily say it's unlikely in a white-collar offense of this sort, but this is a defendant who's begging for a jail term by taking a flame thrower or not just to the judge, but to the entire process and the jury a judge will take that very seriously into consideration in deciding whether to deter this person and to send a message more broadly, he needs to spend some time behind bars. >> you think, judge, more sean should take everything he said where he has called judge merchan a tyrant he likened him to the devil every day before he walked into that courtroom, he said he was corrupt, baselessly. do you think the judge will take that into consideration when he does sentence him in a few weeks. >> i do. as well as him having to fine that the defendant had acted in contempt of the court's orders on multiple occasions. all of that will be part of the picture that the judge looks at the decide whether a message needs to be sent that involves jail as a former fbi director, what's it like to see one of the major nominees of one of our parties, the presumptive nominee at this point, be a convicted felon if you put it in a novel and i'm here because i just wrote a novel, your editor would strike it out and say that's just crazy that would never happen we're living in a really strange time. >> it must be a weird time to be a conspiracy theorists and flip on fox news. and you hear these people screaming at the attorney general about weaponizing. and the next story is about the department prosecuting the president's son for heaven's sakes. so we live in a strange time, but it's one where people have to understand what's at stake. donald trump cannot return to that oval office. >> yeah. you write fiction now, the latest book that you've written that we mentioned at the top is westport. i wonder given what yeah. i mean, what you lived through that was maybe stranger than fiction. i remember the de that you were fired. how does that compare writing fiction to the actual reality that you lived in? >> let's easier in a lot of ways because i can do it in my sweatpants on a laptop, on my back porch. and i don't have to be in dc dealing with some of the characters that the attorney general had to deal with or director ray has to deal with. so it's freeing in a way and i haven't written any dc-based plots yet. it's feels too icky to me, but maybe i'll get to it at some point let me ask you about something else. >> another investigation involving trump. this is the case with the classified documents and right now, the special counsel in that case, jack smith, is again asking for a gag order when it comes to the law enforcement officials who carried out that search at mar-a-lago when he refused? mr. turnover classified documents and the concern primarily is for their safety. the judge cannon here denied the first one. there are now trying again, do you believe that she should approve that gag order? >> i think she should i haven't read the terms of the proposed order, but if it's narrowly tailored to try and mitigate the threat that's created by donald trump lying about an effort by the fbi to allegedly assassinate him. that's crazy. and dangerous stuff that will resonate and disturbed minds. and there are a lot of disturbed minds out there. so i get at why the justice department, through its special counsel and the fbi, would want to try and protect the people who are doing the case, but is a registered republican for most of your life, what is it like donald trump obviously says a lot of things that aren't true. there's a dedicated fact checker because of that. but is a registered republican for most of your life, what is it like to see? public ins on capitol hill echo that and repeat that. and as we've seen on this show, defendant well, they're they're caught in the last days of a culture which i gather the unwinding of a cult is always very, very messy and angry because these people are doing with cognitive dissonance. that's off the charts, right? they know that their speech we can behalf of someone who's a really bad guy. they know their echoing his lies that must cause them a lot of pain. but they were acting to it by amping up their anger and their lives. it will pass away. but we are faced with a very difficult time with the institutions. are threatened. we must remember that's what's on the ballot in november what will you do if donald trump is re-elected get ready to publish my next book next spring. >> i was, i was hoping you'd never want to have me on next spring because donald trump will be in his bathrobe down in mar-a-lago. and joe biden will be in his second term. but if donald trump is still president, you'll probably want me on again. and we'll be talking i can again next may what are you going to write about domestic terrorism, white identity, extremism and it will not be old old-fashioned. come next may unfortunately and what's your concern about what that would look like in the united states in a second trump term well, what donald trump has done is lifted the control rods that we as a country have pressed down into the massage minus racist stew that's always been in our basement. we control the culturally, we controlled it with law. he has slowly over the last 78 years lifted the control rods that were cultural so that it was okay for people to they all kinds of really bad things that is damaging to a culture. but it also gives license to people to engage in horrific acts, both threatening and carrying out acts of violence. so there's a real cost to that. we've become numb to it a little bit. all of us, we can't remember the damage that those control rods coming out of the stew due to our country. >> do you believe that donald trump will come after you personally if he's reelected maybe he spent four years coming after me. i think all ended up with was a $400 tax refund, which is great, i guess i overpaid my taxes. i don't worry about me. i have the resources and the friends and i know how things work. i can do defend myself. i really worry about the people who have less of that than i do the people making the cases, the career civil servants who are prosecutors and judges who are the bedrock of our rule of law. they are the people who will be most at threat former fbi director james comey, the new book is westport, and apparently we have another one to potentially look forward to. thank you for your time tonight thanks for having me, kaitlan up next wisconsin is now joining four other states charging trump, allies and former campaign employees and the fake electors scheme, who has now been indicted. 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now, mike roman, who was also charged both in georgia and arizona then there was also a former trump attorney, jim troupis, who is here with me now to talk about all of this sentence, senior legal analyst and former assistant us attorney elie honig, as well as seen in political commentator, and trump's former white house communicate patients director alyssa farah griffin, elie. i just want everyone to listen to what the attorney general wisconsin had to say about why they're bringing these charges now but i will say that our focus in any investigation in any prosecution is not on the speed with which something is done. its undoing high-quality investigations, conducting high-quality prosecutions, and getting things right. that's the approach we have taken defending the timeline here. >> but what do you make? how long it took to bring these charges? >> that's boiler play. i expect that if any prosecutor, but it's also completely unconvincing. it took three-and-a-half years to bring these charges. i mean, it's three-and-a-half years ago that this all happened. he's been the ag throughout that time. he's been ag since 2019. i understand. investigations take time. i've done plenty of investigations. there is no way an investigation yielding these three charges should have taken three-and-a-half years. and by the way, if you look at the indictment, most of that materials already contained in the other indictments that we we've seen. he didn't uncover that much new. there's some new stuff relating to wisconsin, but i do need to say the he taught me looks fairly strong to me. i mean, it does seem like this was a forgery and a fraudulent schemes. so they seem to have the evidence, but the timing that explanation does not suffice. >> i would elicit just what it's like for you to see this given obviously, you were inside the trump white house in those final he weeks. and while all this was going on in the campaign and in these battleground states, what it's like to continue to see in the headlines, not even it's not even the first story that we talk about, which is really remarkable because now we've just seen so many of these fake electors schemes and the indictments that have followed. >> i mean, it's crazy. it's historic and unprecedented. how many advisors? here's the former president are either in jail now, likely going to face jail time in the future. and yet so many people are lining up wanting to work from again, wanting him to win the election. i mean, i think the fact that peter navarro, who was in my office in the west wing very regularly is literally sitting in jail right now. there's a point where it's like you cannot you have to realize that the associates around donald trump are not themselves just stepping in it. they're following the lead of donald trump. he himself obviously has been indicted on 88 felony counts in charge in these 34 in new york. i mean, this is the company he keeps sense, the person he is. >> the other thing that's happening in new york, we're just trying to help gag or there's with the former fbi director. there's another gag order, the one here in new york that we're all intimately familiar with at this point. it has not been dropped. it's still an effect even though the cases over trump is found guilty last week. his attorneys are now asking the judge to lift it. what's the likelihood of that? >> i think it's unlikely the judge lifted. he may modify it a bit, but i saw it. donald trump's lawyer there's argument is well, now the trials over he's on the campaign trail. he needs to respond. joe biden's talking about it, but the gag order has no restriction on what donald trump can say about joe biden. you can say anything he wanted just to review the gag order protects jurors. they need to still be protected moving forward, i mean, even though they're done their service, there are still vulnerable. you have to protect them witnesses i think witnesses still need to be protected for the same reason the judge has allowed trump to respond to michael cohen in the past. >> maybe the judge will clarify. you can respond because the judge has held that even though it's not quite in the gag order, and then family members and court staff, i mean, leave them alone, like i don't see any reason why this gag order needs to be dropped. >> so here's what i'm wondering, because they do sayyed the cnn debate at the end of this month, right? in this reasoning for their appeal to the judge to lift parts of the gag order, lift the whole gag order. one person he can attack is matthew colangelo who republicans on capitol hill were attacking today, a prosecutor on bragg's team also, obviously michael cohen and they're citing the debate it seems to say this is going to be something he wants to be able to talk about at that debate. well, i have to imagine that his campaign team and susie wiles would not want this to be part of the debate prep. >> the last thing that they would want him to be focusing on is rage, retribution, and re-litigating the fact that he's a convicted felon that signals to me that he's not going to be talking and focusing as much on immigration, border security, the economy he he went, he is consumed by something that is what he wants to focus on. and by the way, i assume it could affect his sentencing. two, if they lift the gag order and he just goes on tirades against this is fair play for sentencing. i mean, we're six weeks out from sentencing to me, it's going to be a really, really close call. tough call for judge merchan prison are now i think it's 50. 50. whether he does it every time you, donald trump violates the gag order. every time donald trump flagrantly disrespects the judge. that's all fair game. i mean, if i was his learned, i've said this 1 million times. i just begged him. he kept quiet given campaign, but be quiet about this case, please, for your own good, a gag order is your friend loves to take legal advice. la it was it farah 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legislation, but republicans left, with no choice i should note this move that president biden took today is dividing members of his own party. >> so we want to talk tonight about this with two democrats who have two different views on this here with us congressman tom suozzi of new york, who supports the move and was there with president biden at the white house event today, and also congresswoman pramila jayapal of washington state, who has criticized the order. it's a congresswoman, jai paul. let me start with you because it's clear that you believe president biden is making a mistake. but by signing this order, tell me if you feel different but why do you feel that way yeah. >> kaitlyn, thanks for having me on. >> look, i think that this is a mistake for several reasons one this is severely limiting the right to seek asylum. >> now, this is a right that we in congress gave to people to come and seek asylum anywhere along the border including between ports of entry, because it is extremely difficult for people who are fleeing violence circumstances in their home countries to make sure that they get to a port of entry. so that was why we put that right into law. also into our international treaty obligations. this is actually the right to seek asylum is a right that we need to adhere two, according to our international treaty obligations. now, what we are doing is, i think what the president is trying to do is address the fact we all want order at the border. we all want to see an immigration system that is orderly, that allows people be processed quickly, that allows people to come in with different legal pathways and republicans have continued to block us in doing that. but enforcement only actions like what the president is doing today, which mirrors something that donald trump did. it was stopped by the courts, but using 212 f of the ina of the immigration nationality act is a harsh enforcement only measure that is not going to work because people are not going to stop coming when they are fleeing terrible circumstances. now, in addition, i would say that there are real implementation issues around this. i just got a notice literally just before i came on your show that is an implementation notice that says that the biden administration is also cutting the amount of time that people will have to get an attorney from 24 hours to four hours. now, if you're we're going to meaningfully argue that you have credible fear of being persecuted in your home country. you need more than four hours to find an attorney because we don't provide attorneys to people. that is a very difficult process as it is. so there are real implementation problems, but end of the day, i don't that any limitation say at the end go ahead, congresswoman, at the end. at the end of the day, the biggest thing is the border doesn't exist on its own. it is a part of a broken immigration system, illegal immigration system that has not been updated in over 30 years. and if we don't update that system and provide i didn't pathways for copy. then we are not going to solve this issue. >> and obviously it's legislation that needs to be done, something that both parties have not been able to do. >> we saw what happened in february, but quickly on the implementation of this, is that for this order that president biden signed today, if the border is effectively shut down two people who are seeking asylum and crossing illegally yeah. >> i mean, the way that this works is that it's very honestly i don't know practically how it's going to work. we are still trying to figure that out ourselves, but the way it's written is that when you get to 2,500 people it shuts down the border this is in-between ports of entry. it shuts down the border, except that people are still going to get screened for convention against torture. they would have to say preemptively, i fear being tortured at home, which is not the way it works today, the way it works today is you're supposed to be asked if you have a fear of torture and then if you say yes, then you go through another process that is at this point, if you get before a judge, if you have an opportunity dries, you have for our consequent the case sorry. i just want to ask you though about this because obviously the implementation of this the legal authority. this is likely to be challenged and court. we know that, but also politically speaking, this has been a week issue for president biden. he has been consistently underwater with voters on this. and so i know that there are concerns about alienating the people who elected him to get into office. there. you also worried that that it could cost democrats the election if he doesn't and do something like what he did today with this executive order well, i really think this is a mistake democrats have made over and over again. >> can you live? i've worked on this issue for 20 years. i'm the ranking member of the immigration subcommittee. we make the mistake of trying to out republican republicans. they're not going to come over to us if they're fighting us on immigration and for independence pendants are polling suggests that if you talk about humane ways to actually institute a system that works, and we have some other ideas of policy, things that president could do that is actually what independence want. they don't want harsh enforcement policies that turn away very vulnerable asylum seekers. and i think the president could have handled this differently. i've told him that directly, and i think that we have to lean in as democrats to an inclusive vision of immigration. and we really have to make, continue to point out all the differences that we have with donald trump, who is xenophobic, racist to sit terrible things about immigrants. i hill that is not who president biden is, but using the same tools that donald trump used is actually a big problem for democrats to be able to continue to show those differences and keep our base with us. >> yeah, and we'll see how that base response to this action. congresswoman pramila jayapal, it's always great to have you on. thank you. okay. very much for that. >> thank you, caitlin. >> and now i want to bring in democratic congressman tom suozzi, who was at the white house event today with president biden as he signed this will congress, let me just start with, what do you make of what the congresswoman said there and the progressive caucus chair also about what it means for your voters, for democratic voters, and how they view this action today. >> well, let me first say what i agree with pramila about we all want order at the border we all believe that the current immigration system is not working we all believe that the system has not been updated since 1996. in fact, the asylum law was first passed in 1980, where we pass the asylum law originally 1980, i'm 61-years-old. we were trying to encourage the soviets to defect at the time or get the cubans to the defect. we celebrated everybody type of some defected or so what asylum is like a, that's great. they're coming here to america where the better country. those are the bad guys. and so the asylum is a very important part of america's history. but now the system is being abused instead of four or 500,000 people a year. it's 2.4 million people a year. and they're not coming from political persecution or torture. they're coming for economic reasons that we would love to help everybody who wants to come here, but we can't. we have 8 million people that are eligible to come here because a family reunion. but we only bring in 700,000 a year. that's all we're allowed to under the existing law. that hasn't been upgraded for 30 years. yeah. >> and obviously this was a key pillar of the bipartisan deal that president biden was willing to sign the whitehouse said that fell apart after donald trump tanked it back in february. but but on this itself, we see where the numbers are today, just shy of 4,000 they were much higher even in february when all this is falling apart. do you think president biden waited too long to sign this executive order that you support? >> no, i think it was the right thing to do we would like to have happen with the president, would have liked to see happen is for us to all support the bipartisan senate deal that was negotiated with the white house. we add one of the most conservative, ethical, honest, hardworking republicans, james lankford and fantastic democrat christian it's murphy, a fantastic independent, kyrsten sinema, who negotiated a bipartisan deal with the white house. everybody said, hey, this is great. mitch mcconnell like that. everybody liked at the us chamber covers the wall street journal, the president of the customs border patrol union liked it even though he's a trump supporter. and what happened? donald trump's swooped in and said, let's not do this because i don't want to give biden a victory. i want to run on the chaos and he sabotage the deal. so the american people want us to deal with immigration the bipartisan senate deal or something bipartisan would be the best way to do that. but absent that, the president had no choice but to act and to take this executive order, you have a particularly interesting view on this, given the race that you just one and how in part, you are calling for stricter immigration measures and saying that you needed the democrats your party needed to be more upfront with voters about the reality on the ground. and so i wonder, what do you say to fellow democrats who are arguing that the president is misreading the politics on immigration. >> listen, listen to the voters, listen to the people. everybody is talking about this issue. this is one of the number one or number two polling issues depending on the district you're in. a people are concerned about the border. it's not just republicans, its independence, it's democrats. i'm a very progressive person on immigration. i want to see a pathway to citizenship for dreamers and for tps recipients. but we have to have order at the border and pramila jayapal agrees with me as do all the democrats. the question is, how do we get there? i think the president, that the right step? by taking this bold step forward to show we're willing to take action. now, we need to get a republican colleagues to sit down and negotiate with us and actually negotiate a bill that will provide for more security of the border. you're legislatively res you say you agree on the end game, but on how to get there. we just watched it play out on tv that two of you disagree on how to get there? >> well, that's part of politics and it's part of debate. and right now the president is taking this action. i'm supporting the action and i believe most democrats support what he's doing we could should still continue to try and negotiate a bipartisan deal to legislate more security at the border, to legislatively fix asylum and to fix legal immigration so that we can bring more dreamers so what i'd love to see the president to lead to the cme to an executive order that gave work permits to the spouses of us citizens that currently are undocumented. everybody in america thinks, if you're married to a us citizen, you should become a us citizen. but there are 1 million people in the united states of america that are married to us citizens that don't have official work permits, we should get that for them. >> congressman tom suozzi, maybe the president will hear your request here. thank you for your for your time tonight and also to congress of a dipole. great to have you both back-to-back. but two very different views on this issue. >> thank you meanwhile, today, during the first day of testimony in the trial of president biden's son, the jury actually heard from hunter biden, but not exactly. >> we'll explain after a quick break we've got job and got kids you up it's going to be doggy dog out there chain crab fisherman. >> it's what everyone wants to 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stand. you can see here he was seated behind the defense table, but prosecutors did play nearly an hour of hunter biden narrating his own memoir our including the sections that he wrote about his drug addiction i possessed a new superpower, the ability to find crack and anytown at anytime, no matter how and familiar that terrain it was easy i legal source tonight is the defense attorney and jury consultant. we're not as tibial. >> i mean the defendant narrating his own audio book would seem to be quite compelling, potentially the jury susa very, very tough day in court. i mean not just the audio book, the photographs, the massive amounts of cash. i mean, everything is pointing to the fact that during that time period, october 2018, he was certainly, if not addicted to drugs, he was a user of drugs. and so the question is what is really the defense here? and i've given it some thought and i think maybe they're going for jury nullification. i think they're going to try and play the sympathy card. it's a pretty sad story. we heard that one juror was tearing up during the defense's opening statement. the family is there they're going to hear from other family members who are going to ignore college, the depths of his addiction, there are number of jurors who have experienced with addiction. so maybe it is when you don't really have a defense. i mean, it's a form the box was checked. it seems pretty obvious. >> he was a user of drugs at the time. >> maybe they're just going for the sympathy card and hoping people feel that and what really happened here? i mean, yeah, he obtained a firearm but he didn't obtain it to go rob a bank right? he said he was going to use it, i guess therapeutically, target practice. you never took it out of the box other than once. now, it ends up in a dumpster, which is not good. but he didn't do that. >> how often does a case like this get prosecuted for someone who is a first-time offender in this situation. >> well, that's what i mean not too often because there's no real harm here. i mean, yes, the form was not accurately filled out whether or not he had intent to deceive or not will be up to the jury. but even if they find he did, i think you have to be thinking about what ultimately is this all about that he that he checked a box, he shouldn't have he shouldn't have been in possession of their luck crack and firearms don't mix for sure. >> i think a lot of people are going to be of the view that he shouldn't i have been in possession of a gun, but it could be that the defense is looking to play the sympathy card and feel the journey that work. a jury nullification. how would that work in this case, the jury nullification just means that the jurors aren't convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he technically did violate the law, but they feel that because there's no harm because he was an addict because the story is so sad and because ultimately nothing happened, they're going to acquit him. >> so they go into the room and they would just all agree. as we saw last time, we talked about with the story, looks like they have a lot of experience with drugs and addiction in their own lives. and family members or friends. i mean, this isn't a jury that's unfamiliar with this. right. and so that's why they my identify. and i think that's why we might have seen one of the jurors tearing up today and they might say, hey, when somebody is going through this, if they don't really have bad intent and it doesn't seem that he had bad intent to obtain this firearm are we really going to convict him of this? and that would be during all the other question i had was was the first witness was the fbi agent erika jensen, and she was noting and conceding during the cross-examination that hunter biden may not have been continuously using drugs. so essentially because he did not take a drug test when he was physically purchasing this gun? is it hard for them to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was using drugs that day during this time period? >> well, that is a very strained in my opinion, reading of the form when it says, are you a user, let's forget about the attic language. are you a user of drugs? it means you had to take drugs that day. i don't think anybody seriously believes that that's what the formula. now i know abbe lowell is going to argue that it's vague. it's unclear what it's, what it's supposed to mean but i think that's a very tortured reading of it. i think if you're taking drugs around that time period, which it seems pretty clear that he was that that's what that form is meant to the atf form because that was also a prosecutors introduced today and it has that exact question there. it's at the heart of this case when the jury sees that this is something that he himself checked no. on in this as the defense is trying to try to argue that the owner of the store led him to this gun, picked it up for him, picked it out for him, essentially how does a jury see that and saying, well, he wasn't adult, he did sign this form. he did check. no. well, not only is he an adult, i mean, i think the jurors assume that he's a fairly sophisticated person. >> he is the son of the president of the united states. they're gonna assume he's educated enough that he would have read the form, been able to understand, especially being the son of a politician and i guess he wasn't president at the time, but he certainly understands the implications of falsely signing a form like that. so i don't know how much that's going to play that he was i don't want to say tricked or just misled into signing it. that doesn't seem like it's going to play that well we're not as two bill will be watching it very closely to see what does have more the jury. thank you a jury is also going to be delivering a verdict in the trial of another prominent democrats senator bob menendez. but tonight, voters have just spoken, they've delivered their judgment on his family's political dynasty will 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primary challenge in new jersey's eighth congressional district, fending off fellow democrat, probably balah also fending off backlash against his own father's senator bob menendez, who is on trial right now for federal bribery charges. sentence senior political data reporter or harrington joins us now, inherit. >> i mean, obviously this is kinda seen as a test of this dynasty. the menendez family, that we're seeing play out what happened tonight. >> i think what happened was you're dealing with the majority hispanic district in which the menendez name, although perhaps tarnished because of the father look, bob menendez was mayor in union city before either you or i were born. it's a name that goes back generations and the fact that this was a very highly fought contest with a lot of money being spent. but at the end of the day, robin mendez was not tainted by his father, or at least not nearly enough to cause a defeat. i mean, that's quite a margin right there. it's much, much wider margin than i actually expect that. >> well, and we're both obviously incredibly young, so thank you. for highlighting that tonight is the first republican primaries since donald trump became a convicted felon last thursday. one thing that i have been fascinated by is when nikki haley, who's obviously not necessary anymore, hasn't been for meds, is still get excited i seville portions of the vote in certain states, she's on the ballot in new mexico tonight. what are we seeing there? what are we expecting? yeah. you look if you look right now and returns nikki haley's getting a little bit less than 10% of the vote, right? and some states like maryland, along the seller corridor, she's been doing significantly better outside of the cella corridor, those places i don't have those major cities. she hasn't been doing nearly as well, but i'm so interested in the nikki haley vote because if you look generally speaking, those voters who are casting their ballots for nikki haley, they have less than a 20% favorable rating of donald trump, less than 20% favorable rating of joe biden. those are the voters who ultimately may decide this election going forward. >> yeah. and trump has said he's confident they'll come his direction though he hasn't really made me appeals to them. but but before we go, i like are skeptical face there of montana, the senate primary, there is really fascinating. i mean, are watching who is going to control the senate? which party at the end of this election? obviously the incumbent senator there, we're seeing jon tester go up against his primary challengers but what do we make of how it's looking in the state of fuv seen how testers kinda carefully navigated. >> let me, let me make a declaration here. if democrats have jon tester does not win reelection, democrats will not control the united states senate. so this is a very key race because we already know that democrats are very, very likely to lose in west virginia, they lose a montana two, but by 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