congress committed to outrageous tax cuts for the very top. i have a different view. one of ways we pay for all those investments and we paid for them -- and by the way i cut the federal deficit by over $7 billion. >> that was president joe biden yesterday in colorado pushing his message on the economy, jobs, and the contrast between his administration and the former president. we'll have more of biden's comments including the word that's been missing from his recent speeches. also ahead, the latest on the temporary truce in gaza. israel and hamas agreed to extend it one more day, but there are signs that those talks are becoming more contentious. plus, we'll take a look at the life of former secretary of state henry kissinger, who passed away yesterday at the age of 100. 100 good morning and welcome to "way too early" on this thursday, november 30th. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us. new this morning breaking news. israel and hamas have agreed to extend the pause in fighting by one more day. the two sides struck the deal in the overnight hours just minutes before their current truceas set to expir this as israel and hamas had last minute disagre over which hostages should be freed. in statement israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu explained that his government gave hamas a deadline to provide a list of women and children who will be released next, warning if that does not happen, the fighting will resume. netanyahu said the deadline was met. officials say that the terms of this extended pause are the sam as before in which hamas must release ten hostages in exchange for israel freeing 30 palestinian prisoners. negotiators had been hoping to get an even longer pause in the fighting as the humanitarian crisis in gaza is only getting worse. now, before the pause in fighting was extended, hamas released 16 hostages yesterday including one american. the group consisted of ten israelis, four thai nationals, and two israeli russian dual citizens. 49-year-old -- was among the nine or so americans believed to be held captive in gazap. she and 4-year-old abigail eden are the only americans who have been released since the truce began last friday. president biden says she'll soon be reunited with her family. >> she's safe in egypt. she's crossed the border. i talked with her mother and father. they're very appreciative, and things are moving well. she'll soon be home with her three children. >> since friday hamas has freed a total of 99 captives. israel, meanwhile, has released 210 palestinian prisoners. it's believed that more than 140 hostages are still in gaza. many of them are soldiers or men young enough to go into the military. hamas has said it demands a higher price to release any of those people. the terror group also claimed yesterday that three israeli hostages have died in captivity, releasing a statement that she and her two young sons were killed in an israeli air strike. now, nbc news cannot verify that claim which while israel has repeatedly accused the terrorist group of using civilians as human shields. israel's military has notified the family of hamas' statement but is still trying to determine whether or not that is true. earlier there were reports from hamas of a hostage who was killed who later turned out to be alive. we should note the 10-month old is believed to be the youngest hostage taken by hamas. while the fighting has temporary stopped in gaza, there's still violence in the west bank. israeli defense forces say they launched a major raid on a refugee camp overnight tuesday in an effort to destroy terrorist infrastructure there. the palestinian health ministry says that two children were killed in the attack along with two adult members of armed groups. the idf did not directly comment on that but said that explosive devices were thrown at soldiers prompting them to respond with gunfire. joining us now former spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the united nations, hagar shomali. great to see you again this morning. let's talk about seemingly the growing challenges to keep this truce in place. as hamas is asking for more to be swapped in exchange for israeli soldiers and other male prisoners they're holding. what sort of deal do you think would need to be made? and do you think one can be made? >> so as you mentioned jonathan, when you have situations like this they're very tenuous, and this would be the case in any war. but when you have a terrorist organization that doesn't follow any rules, it's going to be more difficult to ensure those truces remain in place, and when you have that they hold their end of the bargain. and so when crow saw that statement by prime minister netanyahu warning and using idf force as -- to threaten as leverage and say, you know, we're very willing to go back to this if you don't play by the rules, that was a very real threat, and that is what helps keep this in place, and of course the mediators are what help keep it in place. qatar in particular, the u.s., egypt, they played a very significant role. but as you know, it goes day by day and even hour by hour. and that is typical. it is going to get more and more difficult as we go on for a few reasons. on one hand because you have small storiys of spoilers. you have what would happen in jerusalem this morning, the terrorist attack there. you have violence in the west bank. you have even i heard violence that hamas pursued against idf forces in the north, small fire, things of that kind. and so when you have situations like that, it makes it even trickier. at the end of the day when you have this elise of hostages, that is what keeps it going and motivates it for more. but i do believe, unfortunately -- i hope i'm wrong on this, but i believe once we hit the majority being male and soldiers, that's when things might get extremely difficult. >> so yesterday i broke the news that despite president biden musing over the weekend he might be open to attaching conditions to aid to israel, the white house is saying that's not going to happen at least not now, but it was reflective of some tension points between the white house and how the netanyahu administration is conducting this war. and we heard from the prime minister he's vowing to soon resume the fighting. what's your sense as to how that might go? and what can the biden administration do to try to keep israel -- keep things targeted and small? >> so i saw that report, and -- and the question of making aid to israel conditional doesn't really surprise me because that had been in the public discourse before this conflict broke out, and that was largely due to prime minister netanyahu's own behavior in pursuing judicial overhaul and trying to protect himself and interests as he faces a corruption investigation. so that's not new. however, yes, given what's going on, i don't expect that to play out anytime soon. i also don't know how long he'll be in office anyway anytime soon. so things like that might change. that said, president biden is working very hard to try and support israel in its goal to defeat hamas and its military capabilities and its governing capabilities while also really truly deeply caring for gazan civilians and trying to make sure they get humanitarian and make sure civilian casualties are avoided. and i don't believe they're doing that because he's getting anger from everywhere. and he's getting anger from progressives and republican and the whole world. it is because that is the best policy in terms of ensuring a more secure israel, ensuring that national security interests across the region are protected, and by the way setting the groundwork for a two-state solution. and so that's -- and what we can see is that u.s. and israel are very close in consultations of this, and that israel pays attention. >> terrific analysis and insight as always, former spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the u.n. we greatly appreciate it. i'm certain we'll be speaking to you again soon. some news -- big news that broke late last night. former secretary of state henry kissinger has died at the age of 100. kissinger came to be seen as one of the leading diplomats on international relations intellectuals of the 20th century, but he also drew international condemnation for his key role in widening the american presence in vietnam and the u.s. bombing of cambodia. born in germany in 1923 kissinger fled the nazi regime with his family when he was a teenager and settled in the united states in 1938. he became an american citizen in 1943 and serve said in the 84th army division. in 1969 president richard nixon appointed kissinger national security advisor, and he served as secretary of state under presidents nixon and ford. after leaving government service in 1977 he spent the next 4 1/2 decades as a regular consultant to american presidents of both political parties and multiple foreign leaders. kesen jr was also a prolific writer as the author of 21 books on national security matters. kissinger last appeared on "morning joe" last year at the age of 99 to talk about his latest book "leadership, six studies in world strategy." >> in 1945 and the '60s was a period of great leadership. multiple leadership and multiple values we are still going through. >> that was from july of 2022. former president george w. bush issued a statement along with this picture of an oil painting of kissinger that the former president painted himself. bush's statement reads in part this way. "america has lost one of the most dependable and distinctive voices on foreign affairwise the passing of henry kissinger. i've long admired the man who fled the nazis as a young boy from a jewish family and then fought in the united states army. i'm grateful for that service and advice, but i'm more grateful for his friendship. laura and i will miss his wisdom, charm, and humor. he passed away yesterday at his home in connecticut leaving a complicated legacy. he is survived of his wife of nearly 50 years, two children, and five grandchildren. we'll have more on his life and legacy throughout the morning. still ahead here on "way too early," we'll bring you the latest on a helicopter crash off the coast of japan that killed several u.s. service members. plus we'll bring you an update from ukraine and a city in the eastern portion of the cup that's become the center of intense fighting and heavy losses for russian forces. those stories and a check on weather and sports as we take a look at predawn washington, d.c. ♪ my name is josh sanabria and i am the owner at isla veterinary boutique hospital. i was 5...6 years of age and i knew i was going to be a vet. once alexandra called me to let me know that bank of america had approved my loan... it was important to me. we not only just provide the financing piece, we do everything that we can to surround them with the right people. all you need is a perfect, amazing team that will guide you through the right steps to be successful. and that's what bank of america was for me. ah mornings! cough? congestion? i'm feeling better. all in one and done with new mucinex kickstart. headache? better now. new mucinex kickstart gives all-in-one and done relief with a morning jolt of instant cooling sensation. it's comeback season. 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be clear rogers said earlier this week the jets playoff chances will be a factor in whether or not he actually returns this season. the jets meanwhile we should be clear are 4 in 7 and that record make tm a decided long shot to reach the post-season. my money suggests we won't see rogers again until september. but we do have football tonight. week 13 of the nfl regular season kicks off in arlington, texas. the dallas cowboys play host to the seattle sea hawks. time now for the weather and let's go up to 30 rock and meteorologist michelle grossman with the forecast. how's it looking out there? >> hey, jonathan. we're watching showers, some snow, and even a chance for severe weather in a few spots. that's going to bring a lot onshore and the four corners also looking at rain. a mixture and higher mountain snow could see 1 to 2 feet as well. the third spot would be the southern plains. as we head through the afternoon we're looking at a chance for severe storm and that includes damaging wind, hail, a chance for tornados and locally heavy rain. that could lead to flash flooding. we're busy today as we head throughout thursday. in terms of severe weather 7 million people at risk and looking at tornado, hail, winds gusting up to 60 miles per hour. where you see the orange that is the likely spot of seeing strong storms but can't rule out where you see the yellow as well. lufkin, bay city, victoria, you can see severe weather. a whole lot of rain, too. where you see the brighter colors, the reds, oranges, and yellows that's where we see the heaviest rain. hourly rain rates of 1 to 2 inches per hour, and that's going to lead to the chance of flash flooding especially with where you see the blue that's going to be a localized spot that includes houston and also lake charles. jonathan. >> michelle grossman, thank you very much. still ahead here oron "way too early," hunter biden is calling the bluff of house republicanss on the house oversight committee, volunteering to 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conducted their impeachment inquiry of former president trump and the january 6th committee. >> house republicans say they're investigating whether president biden unlawfully aided his son or profited off his business dealings. and they have alleged without any evidence at all that biden engaged in a bribery scheme and has been involved in his son's business ventures. joining us now co-founder of punch bowl news, anna palmer. she is an msnbc contributor. we're glad to see you here this morning. anna, can you try to explain james comer's strategy here? because at its face it seemed pretty preposterous that hunter biden is willing to testify publicly is being told no, and it's hard to draw any other conclusion that republicans simply want to be able to shape the narrative themselves after the hearing as opposed to letting the public hear from hunter himself. >> listen, clearly hunter biden is trying to get ahead of any kind of closed door deposition. abby lowal, his attorney have said they want it all out in the public. this is not what republicans want to do, and i don't think they're willing to allow hunter biden to kind of control the narrative here. they clearly want to have a behind the scenes conversation. as you just heard mr. comer lay out. and so far the idea of just public testimony is not something republicans are going to allow. we'll see if that changes in the coming days and weeks, but so far republicans holding firm on the fact they want to depose him as well as many other members of the biden family behind closed doors first for any kind of public hearing. >> yeah, and this of course remains such a focus for republicans even though there's this huge spending bill to get done and the government shutdown clock is going to start ticking again before we know it. we also i want to ask you about george santos. his expulsion vote is tomorrow. house speaker says he has real reservations about kicking out the freshman lawmaker. but let me play for you what some of their republican colleagues are saying. >> i served on the ethics committee. there are couple things sac rosanct. our due process in the ethics committee, the report is pretty damning so i'm going to vote to expel. >> do you expect this to be the last week of george santos? >> don't know who george santos is. yes, we do. >> do you guys have enough votes to oust him? you expect this to be the last week of george santos? >> i certainly hope so. i can't wait to be rid of him. i'll be voting to expel santos. he's a crook. >> anna, i'll put to you the question that was just posed to one of the lawmakers there. what's your best sense of it? are there enough republican votes to contribute to a total to expel george santos? >> yeah, i think the idea that there was reservations around this kind of precedent setting vote, that for many republicans in particular it put to the side now that you have this ethics committee report very damning in terms of just laying out in explicit detail all of the different areas where george santos if nothing else certainly maybe acted in a legal manner but was not doing the behavior of an unfit or unbecoming of a member of congress. clearly looks like he'll be expelled on friday. and as much as johnson, the speaker said he has reservations about president, it's also a vote of conscience. and the republican leadership aren't whipping thence against this vote. all signs point to george santos being expelled by the end of the week. >> cofounder of punch bowl news, anna palmer, thank you as always. still ahead here on "way too early" we're going to turn to business news and our friends at cnbc will join us this morning with this morning's headlines including an incredible interview from elon musk and his response to major companies who are suspending advertising on his twitter "x" platform. you'll need to see it to believe it. plus we'll take an early look at the markets which are moving slightly higher before the bell. we'll be right 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doesn't seem to be resonating with voters even though the underlying metrics of the economy are pretty good. >> yeah, frustration level is very high. frustration level is like the gdp, it's higher than it's been in a while. i think they are very aggravated the message isn't getting through. the economy we saw grew at a 5% rate the last quarter, obviously inflation bit a lot out of people's budgets but down significantly, much closer to normal than where it had been before. the unemployment rate at record low. the housing market doing well this month. they have a lot of thing today talk about. manufacturing. but it hasn't sold. the issue of course we're working in a very different era. the idea it's the economy stupid, which was born in the clinton era that economy drove our politics, is kind of an ocean fashioned notion at this point. our politics today are so much more fractured, so much more polarized, so much more tribal people are going to see the economy through the lens of their own partisan background as well as their own personal experience and hasn't worked to president biden's favor. it's funny the phrase is not showing up in his speeches. it's still there. as the pictures you just showed indicated they're on the placards on the podium, still on the website and so force. it's curious he hasn't used in the last month and that's because a lot of democrats are saying they don't think the word works and don't like the theme. >> president himself had some reservations about the term when it debuted a few months ago. peter, you of course covered washington for so long and done so so well, i want to get your thoughts on henry kissinger, the former secretary of state who passed away yesterday at the age of 100. clearly a decisive figure who leaves behind a complicated legacy. >> he's a giant no matter how you look at him, of course. here he is 100 years old, and he was traveling just this year to china because china wanted to send a message to the biden administration. he was a player on the field for decades after he left office. he left obviously a lot of remarkable accomplishments and a lot of remarkable, you know, decisions that people have criticized and that he's called a war criminal. he's as devisive in death as he was in life. the opening in china, the detente policies with the ussr, diplomatic moments in history. so was the bombing of cambodia, the toppling in chile, and other issues that have, you know, marked his record. i think it's -- he's a legacy we will debate for a long, long time. but you have to, of course, you know, be struck by his longevity, his ability to be, you know, an influential figure, a statesman, long, long after he left office. >> yeah, no question there. a giant as you say. chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker, thank you so much for joining us this morning. up next here on "way too early," we'll tell you what donald trump will be doing instead of participating in the 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>> so far, his campaign won't say, jonathan. good morning to you, as well. look, if you're a presidential candidate, anytime you get people together to give you money, it's a good idea to take that money. at the same time, obviously, this is a departure, in terms of not doing a counterprogramming event, not attempting to distract from the debate going on. perhaps there is political advantage to that, too. if form holds here and you see nikki haley and ron desantis attacking each other more than they have been, you know, he's the winner of that fight. >> yeah, no question there. let's take a minute and talk about that debate. it's hard to see it mattering that much because none of the others really have in terms of denting trump's lead, but it seems like this is another moment, though, where one of the candidates on stage, likely either haley or desantis, will try to appeal and say, "look, i'm the best trump alternative. you should rally and coalesce around me." how are those two camps feeling about this particular moment? >> i mean, i think both of them believe that each of them would have a much better chance if the other was out of the race. polling suggests if desantis got out of the race, it'd benefit trump a little bit more than haley. if haley were out of the race, desantis would benefit more than trump, according to the polls we've seen and certainly what the desantis campaign is touting. you know, the problem for these candidates, jonathan, is not necessarily that there couldn't be consolidation behind one of them. the problem is that's not going to happen until people start voting. there is no incentive for either ron desantis or nikki haley to get out of what is essentially an equal fight for second place. until people vote in iowa, new hampshire, maybe south carolina, there's not any chance that -- or there is little chance that you're going to start to see consolidation behind one of them. >> yeah. haley has some momentum to be sure, but, to your point, no reason for desantis to drop out at this point. there's been a lot of talk, john, about the role young voters are going to play in the next election. the republicans, trump in particular, is trying to make a direct appeal to them. he wrote an opinion piece in "newsweek" trying to woo them. i think there's a lot of skepticism as to how successful he'd be. with some enthusiasm issues for young voters about the democratic ticket, it's not really about whether they'd vote for republicans, rather, that they would stay home. what's the state of play that you read?worried are democrats the young voters? >> extremely worried. the big reason is the eye-popping numbers we're seeing in polling. biden beat trump with voters 18 to 29. 18 to 23, an nbc news poll earlier this month found trump leading biden, 46 to 42. numbers suggest very much that biden had at the least slipped with younger voters. there's a "newsweek" op-ed by trump yesterday making this appeal to younger voters. this obviously worries campaigns, in particular, because younger voters haven't spent decades voting for one party or another. the voters 18 years old, 19, 20, when trump first came on the scene, most weren't conscious of politics. all of that history that the rest of us remember so freshly, for them, that came about when they were in junior high school. yeah, democrats are absolutely worried about it. the polls suggest they should be. >> yeah. now, to be sure, democrats love to worry about polls, and we all recall a few weeks ago, the heart attacks across the party when some national polls showed donald trump up in some battleground state polls. leads were slim. but we should also note, there's a couple polls this week, the economist, ugov, morning consult, that has president biden up on trump. either way, the margins are really tight. that's where we are right now. there's a limit to what the polls can mean, outside of this race is going to be really close. >> 100%, jonathan. look, we've watched for the last, you know, almost 25 years, since that 2000 election, these historically close elections. donald trump winning by -- sorry -- joe biden winning by a margin of about 43,000 votes over three states. donald trump in 2016 winning by a margin of 77,000 votes or so over three states. go back to the 2000 election, 500 some votes in florida making the difference. we are in this incredibly, evenly polarized time. not entirely evenly in terms of the popular vote. democrats win the popular vote. but evenly matched with how the votes stack up in the electoral college. there's no reason to expect this election will be different. >> polls provide a useful snapshot, but this far out, that's about it. again, it's going to be close. >> nbc news senior national politics reporter jonathan allen, thank you so much, for being with us. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this thursday morning. 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