seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy's coalition of voters, they've really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn't support either candidate i didn't 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i'll see you tomorrow. >> straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump's pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani's latest mug shot this time in arizona as the ones it's powerful mayor drowns in debt and scandal he says he has no regrets. we've got the tape of him today a new images of those extraordinary moments that hostages are found alive during that, during rescue mission in gaza in broad daylight, a top israeli official will join me here live. i'm kaitlin collins this is the source let this sink in and for just a moment, the presumptive republican nominee and the former president of the united states, just met with probation officers ahead of his sentencing which happens to be one month from tomorrow here in new york. now these pre-sentencing interviews are routine procedures for convicted felons, but it's safe to say there is nothing ordinary about this interview or this convicted felon. here's what we do know as of 9:00 p.m. here tonight, it was around 330 this afternoon that donald trump donald trump met virtually from his mar-a-lago club down in south florida with officials here in new york or sources say that he answered all the questions that were asked of him. cnn's john miller was told that trump was polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers who conducted this interview. >> and the whole thing was over and just under half an hour it is quite the call, but adding to the unusual nature of this whole thing, we're told that the commissioner of new york's probation department was present for it, along with the general counsel and the officer who's assigned to the case and trump, as we know, with the permission of the judge here, one more sean was joined by his lead attorney, todd blanche, who are you'd this case. >> now, typically, a convicted defendant would meet with their probation officer without their attorney. there. but this was different here. like many of the dynamics here. and ultimately it is the probation department that will submit a report based in part on today's interview to the judge here, who of course, will then ultimately decide but trump's punishment will be, i'm joined tonight by trump biographer, cnn political analyst, and you times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. >> maggie, i mean it's a required step before sentencing, but just the aspect that he is undergoing. >> this is just remarkable in and of itself, everything about this is remarkable. and i do think that we lose sight of it that especially those of us who were in that courtroom, as you and i were, this is a former president who was trying to understand that his supporters think that this was not a case that should have been brought. they say that all the time. i think his lawyers feel this way too but nonetheless, he was convicted and it took less than two days and now we are hurdling toward a republican national convention, where he is going to be he nominated for a third time as the party's nominee, and he will have just been sentenced a few days earlier on july 11. and so i don't think we can overstate how remarkable this is. i think where it stops feeling remarkable is that voters don't same, particularly interested in it. and so this is history. this is something we have never experienced before. everything you just described is not the usual procedure in this kind of a sentencing report interview. but this is not typical, as you said? yeah, for all the talk of how trump has treat, i mean does get special treatment in some of these circumstances and you talked about the hell the sentencing is on. it's on a thursday. the convention starts that monday based on what you've heard, has it set in for donald trump himself though, that this is happening, that he is having to answer these kinds of questions to probation officers. >> it has not actually don't think that the the conviction has left his mind much even though he's i think the best compartmentalize are many of us have ever seen on the political stage. i think he is well aware of what he is carrying over the next four weeks this situation where most of them would try to get a lesser sentence in these kind of interviews or when they go before the judge, trump will have an opportunity to speak to offer to be contrite but it doesn't seem like he's going he has been making that argument based on what he's been saying on truth, social, or rallies, or in interviews about this case and we do know he's also planning on appealing it right after that sentencing happens. >> so how does he balance the two of those so my assumption and we don't know specifically what he said in this interview. >> it was pretty short today. i don't know what the average length of those are, but 30 minutes is not a long time on its own my assumption is that he was actually not contrite, but certainly more subdued in that interview. than what we have seen on truth, social, what we saw outside of the courtroom and the hallways at the courthouse, what we have seen him du rallies, what we've seen him doing, interviews it will be very hard for him to then suddenly argue that that's all just politics. or he didn't mean it, or what have you remember? he's going to be sentenced by a judge who cited him for violating a gag order several several times. and at one point said to him, the last thing i want to have to do is put you in jail, but made clear that that was on the table. if he kept doing it i don't know what this ends up looking like it i don't see a world where trump stands up and says, i'm really sorry because trump's still denies anything happened, especially to this judge of all people are rapidly rails against repeatedly, which is you make a really good point there that how he acts inside the courtroom or based on what john miller heard about how he was in this interview? it is quite different than how he talks about it at rallies on tv in front of the mics. as you and i know well, from covering him for a long time, he can be very different depending on what crowd he is playing, two and when he knows that he is playing to the probation commissioner and his probation officer or the person assigned to the case. >> i am expecting that he was slightly more subdued now, do i think that that means that he said you're right. i feel terrible about all of this. no, i find that very unlikely, but i doubt that it was spoken version of the all caps truth, truthsocial posts and part of this process is family members, friends can submit letters to the court on the defendants. the felons behalf do you think that'll happen in this situation? actually do think that there are a lot of people who are potentially going to write testimonials. >> we'll see if that happens, but we certainly saw that he and his aides were getting people to attend the trial. normally, when people do that, it's so that the jurors can see sympathetic people around the person is in trump's case, it was so trump could roll heavy with elected officials for the most part. but i could see efforts by his family members, by friends. he went to court a couple of times with steve witkoff, one of his oldest friends whose real estate investor from new york, i could see people like that sending in notes to the judge. yeah. it's interesting. i also wonder the vp contenders who also started showing up, the doug burgum is the jd vance's making very clear. it's also a question whether they would say something on his bath or there's doing it on on television and interviews. >> my assumption is that they are much likely are to do it to the cameras than they are to the judge because they're playing to a different audience than the judge. their plan to trump seated senior legal analyst elie honig is also your elie you when we look at this, how much impact does what happened today in this whole pre-sentencing report that's gonna go to the judge how much impact does that have on the actual sentence itself? >> these reports matter. they're not binding on the judge, but they absolutely matter because this is the first time you hear from some sort of neutral third party trusted by the courts, probation department, and i promise you, whichever side likes the recommendation will say, look, the probation department is with us. there on our site and just to give you a sense of how closely he held this information is when we would get these pre-sentence report sent to us as prosecutors, it would come in to emails first and encrypted email that you couldn't open unless you had the code and then a second email giving us the password to open it. so that's how confidential this information is kept. it seen as is proprietary, it's private information, it's personal information, so it's very closely guarded by the courts. does it ever make a difference to the prosecution of what they're going to ask the judge for in terms of sentencing, when they look it over port like this for sure. >> because let's put ourselves in alvin bragg's position here for a second. this is going to be really close call at sentencing. what does alvin bragg? i think he's likely to ask for some term of imprisonment. i think it's hard for him to bring a case like this. just to get 34434 convictions and then say, we're fine with probation. and if probation, the probation department itself has come in first and said, we recommend prison. it's much easier as the da to say we agree with them. yes. do that there's a lot of information in this pre-sentencing report that it actually could pertain to his other legal issues that he's dealing with from the civil ones here in new york, but also the other criminal cases. >> could that complicate anything? i mean, is that why todd blanche attended this today? would normally an attorney would not be present for it, happy if i had a client who had three other pending indictments and several civil verdicts in the process of appeal, i would absolutely insist on being there because what he says can be used against him in certain circumstances. another thing to keep your eye on here is now the trump's been convicted once he sentenced in new york that could actually bump up his punishment if he's convicted in the other cases because those cases, what you do is you calculate a person's criminal history. now, he has a criminal history. you're agreeing maggie? impact. do you think it could have i think it could have all of the impacts that le just described. >> i also think that it could end up being i'm not sure that this will happen, but because it hasn't happened yet, but it could end up being a factor in whether prosecutors, any of the other cases and led correct me if i'm wrong? if they want to suggest that this impacts his release conditions from those indictments. now, again, i don't think that's likely, but i do think that we have seen jack smith raised concerns about his attacks on the fbi. judge cannon, in that case, the mar-a-lago documents case, did not agree with them. >> it's just something it's more grist to the prosecutors can point to but if he's not if there's not jail as a result of this. >> i mean, even if he's checking the probation officer, that would be pretty remarkable in the homestretch of the presidential campaign. >> yeah, have a curfew. i do sometimes and to have a geographic restriction, i mean, the conditions or probation chen can differ quite a bit, but i do want to make this point, even if judge merchan sentences trump to prison. and i think there's a decent chance he does. that sentence will almost certainly not be imposed until after appeals. >> and i assume that he is going to differ the sentence until after the appeal is ongoing and set aside. and then that likely gets us till after the election. >> and of course we know trump is going to appeal this. elie honig when mega man great to have you both to start off the show tonight, coming up here, trump's co-defendant in georgia smiles for his new mug shot in arizona here what rudy giuliani said after he just posted bail and arizona today. but first the helicopter pilot who flew hostages out of gaza is now speaking out as we are seeing new video showing that rescue happening. israel's ambassador to the united nations is here to weigh in the source. >> we've kaitlan collins. >> he's brought 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on daylight, we typically this kind of stuff seems to happen at night. >> it was interesting that it did happen and daylight when i was in combat truthfully, kaitlan, we did normal conventional operations in the daytime and nighttime was left mostly for the special operators to do these kind of hits within our area of operation. so to do this in daylight, is just phenomenal to me that takes even more training. but they had to get in there, they had to see the ground and they had to see the train that they were operating on. >> and what does that tell you about the hostages? notice they're being held and buildings and apartments we know some of them were told are being held in tunnels, but clearly some of them are being moved around and being held held in buildings, but held in palestinian homes where palestinians were aware that they were there this is the coercion that hamas has on the local residents of gaza. and it's right smack in the middle of a neighborhood. and in fact, a un relief agency building was nearby. we have seen this throughout the campaign that these kind of operations by the israeli defense forces are taking place in neighborhoods with mosque, with hospitals, with schools. all of it within the environment of the palestinian people. >> it's remarkable, general mark hertling great to have you here tonight. also, your tonight, israel's ambassador to the united nations go out or dawn great to have you back. i do know how the hostages are doing. what would've israeli officials heard about them they said that they're doing well, obviously they need psychological treatment and other kinds of treatment to recover from what they've endured. >> but thank god, there they're at home and they are with their families. and that's the most important thing this were four people who were rescued. >> this puts the total that israel has rescued of hostages since october 7. its seven people. and obviously, it's undeniable that this is a success for the families and that they are happy to see this but also the question is do you, are you worried that it jeopardizes a potential bigger hostage agreement with hamas to release them on the contrary, i don't think he jeopardizes the bigger hostage deal since we had the first deal, hamas refused every for was put on the table. >> there were own ready. today we're where we had the fourth security council resolution that passed, but we had three previous ones that were rejected by hamas calling for the release of the hostages so it's the only thing that can work is this combination of diplomacy applying international pressure on hamas that started only today with the resolution that passed in the security council. and using our military might. >> but you can't what israel has not been able to do is rescue all of them through these special ops operations that are happening. we just talked about the difficulty of it. you can see they is so i do think that's a real question tonight of what it means for for a hostage deal, for getting the rest of the hostages home i don't think we forget them. >> i mean, we we are willing to sacrifice. you saw we are losing when we paying the ultimate price are best soldiers or lose all right sacrificing their life to save the hostages. hamas does the opposite, but what other choice do we have as long as hamas refuses to every hostage deal, i mean, president biden said ambassador linda thomas-greenfield said, the resolution said that we accepted the new hostage deal we are accepting the outline that appeared in the resolution today. >> i want to ask you about what happened at the united nations today. but on this, israel's facing a lot of backlash internationally because of how many palestinians were killed as a result of this rate, how does israel justify how many fatalities? it's worth going in and conducting a raid like this in broad daylight when civilians were obviously out. >> sadly, sadly, you cannot interview here one of the hamas commanders because he's the right address to ask him this question. it's not us to justify. they're putting their own civilians in harm's way. what other choice do? we have? any country would do the same in order to release and rescue their hostages. and still, we don't know the real numbers of un-involved civilians. there were so many civilians. there that we're cooperating with hamas to keep, to keep the, you know, to keep the host the jezzine in apartments to report to hamas when our forces are getting closer and many times, we know that hamas is using civilians that are not affiliated with any terrorist organization, but still they are terrorists. so we cannot still use the terrorist numbers, as you said these are hamas numbers, figures 200 276, and we regret the loss of life. we always, when there's an opportunity and there's an option, we want this civilian population, we hope that they're not going to stay in harm's way, but you're not denying obviously innocent lives were also lost as a result are you soon i assume, yes. and i regret it and i it's a tragedy, but we cannot i mean, if we don't put the blame on hamas, we are helping and advancing their strategy because otherwise, other terrorists, we are going to use the same strategy in many other countries. if you can abduct innocent civilians and then hold them in civilians apartment and think that you have immunity. it's not going to work. we will never defeat terrorism. >> let's talk about what happened at the united nations today because you just mentioned in that security council the resolution that passed, it is the first time we've seen something like this passed since october 7 happened in the eight months since the war happened, you are present for the vote today, but you didn't address the security council. why not? >> well, i thought that we don't want now to emphasize any differences. i know when sometimes when i speak, people are listening to me and they're listening to what they want to listen to so we preferred to lower the tone today as i said, we accept president biden's first of all, we respect him and we are grateful to all of his efforts and his administration efforts. we accept and we accepted the outline of the deal, but i have to admit we had our concerns about the way it will be interpreted by hamas. that's why we held an intimate dialogue with our american counterparts once our security concerns were addressed so we accepted the deal. you said you had concerns. >> this is a resolution calling for an immediate it's fire, ultimately a permanent one, and the release of all hostages. can you say tonight that israel unequivocally backs this resolution again, it depends on the interpretation because there's phase one, phase two, phase three, moving from phase one that caused, now for the release of the world on the than the women and the elderly that should be done by hamas. >> and then moving to phase two, that, then you get to the permanent end of hostilities, ceasefire. it needs to be it depends on upon an agreement that should must be achieved between the parties. one of our conditions this is not only the release of the hostages is also the future of gaza, and we cannot agree to hamas continuing to be the rulers of gaza because then gaza will continue to pose a threat against israel. >> but this still is israel's proposal. why can't netanyahu say right? he supports it well, i don't know what he said to secretary blinken today when they met. the fact that the fact that i wasn't instructed to speak out against the deal means that we accept the deal wouldn't it mean that you're supported. >> if you could come out and say you supported it. >> but i'm i'm saying here that we accept the deal. again, it's pretty much depends on the way it will be interpreted by the negotiators because hamas years let's say answer, you're saying we support it but you're not just saying unequivocally that israel does support it because the words are very important, because when it, when you say that, if the negotiations continues after six weeks, we need to continue with the ceasefire. so hamas can exploit this clause and continue with endless and me in, in glass negotiation, that means nothing. obviously that wasn't the meaning of president biden when he outlined his just to be clear, even if hamas comes out tomorrow and says yes, we accept this israel still wants to negotiate what it would actually look like to implement. all know, there's, if hamas accepts it and you listen carefully to what they said today. >> they said empty words, they welcome the resolution, but they still didn't say that they accept the deal. they know exactly what is the deal already? for sure they know the first phase, phase one, so they can say yes to phase one, we will see hopefully the release of the women, the elderly, the wounded. israel will hold its fire for six weeks and then there will be negotiations on moving to the second phase, which is the permanent ceasefire, but it depends on some conditions that needs to be negotiated. the resolution says that upon agreement between the two parties, the parties not only two parties there there will be other parties as well. >> we'll see what they what they say, ambassador gilad erdan, thank you for checking. >> ahead. rudy giuliani is latest mug shot after he just posted bail to de in arizona, but still spreading lies about the 2020 election. my next guest is worried about misinformation in this election, arizona's secretary of state will join us here with a new ai video that he created as a warning to voters the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president one stage two, very different vision genes for america's future. this cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max have heart failure with unresolved symptoms it may be time to see the bigger picture. >> heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr cme a rare under-diagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you call your card pretty allergist and ask about attr cm, nine out of ten people don't get enough fiber. bennett fiber is the easy, gentle solution for every day. it's plant-based prebiotic fiber nourishes good bacteria in your gut, working with your body to promote digestive health with so many ways to enjoy benefit number is your fiber, your way? 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oh, my goodness. no. why not? i'm very, very proud of it. >> there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history joining me now, arizona's secretary of state, adrian fanta and secretary, it's great to have you just for context for everyone, you are precisely the recorder and maricopa county. you are on the front lines of the election in 2020. so obviously you have great experience with what, what actually happened in the 2020 election. i just wonder what your responses to hearing rudy giuliani he say that he has no regrets about the efforts to try to overturn the election. there. >> well, first thanks for having me on and second, i stopped taking rudy giuliani seriously after the borat tape and so i'm not going to countenance any of his lies further than they need to. he's been indicted and he isn't and it's an until proven guilty. and that's really what the process is that we're fighting for. we think the rule of law should be applied to every person regardless of their station and that's really, i think where it ends and i know you can't talk about the specifics of the case, but the other thing that he said there that caught my ear was he said that there was a tremendous amount of evidence and that there was an abundant amount of evidence. >> i mean, you oversaw the counting of the ballots and maricopa county, was there a tremendous tremendous amount of evidence of voter fraud from what you saw? 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unclear to me, i still think it's remarkable less than the uncharted territory that we're in. you cannot work in the west wing. i could not have worked in the west wing if i'd ever had a felony charge, yet, there's a very real chance we'll have a president overseeing the west wing who has 33 or 34 felony charges on him? >> yeah. >> that's a good point. i mean, what do you make of that question? have you ever lied, you know, kind of what this process is looking like for these potential confounders look, i go back to the voters. i think that voters actually care if there's this kind of history. and i think the criminal conviction that trump has had is going to matter. dad. i know there's some polling suggests otherwise right now, but i think it's going to matter in the end. so this actually is important because if, for example the process that they have says it doesn't matter if you've lived are commit the crime. that's going to come back to hurt them if they say, oh, no, no, we must have a vice president who's never, ever committed a crime it kinda advertise is the problem with the top of the ticket. and i think one thing we can say for sure, top of the ticket dominates here in a way we've rarely seen, vp is going to be so much marginalized compared to past races but this question kind of speaks volumes well and the question is also, does it affect the margins because that is going to be incredibly important in this election. and so when you, what i've been talking to people and tell me what you've heard as well. is that it seems like it's jd vance, doug burgum, and marco rubio who've risen to the top of who's under consideration electorally speaking, who do you think would be the most beneficial to donald trump's ticket i haven't publicly stated any favorite. >> they come a strengths and weaknesses. i'm sure if you come up with a list of seven or eight names they all bring their own positive electoral history and they have their positions on issues that might have more symmetry with a, an electorate. but that's ultimately up to the present to choose who he wants to be his running a bunch of races. you just read one here in new york. i mean, that is something that people take consideration. >> one for me, i think in 20241 of the best skills is going to be the ability to get into cities, to go talk to longtime democratic voters about issues that they care about. >> their are disenfranchised voters out there who aren't going to just come around and vote for your ticket? i'll be this saturday in detroit. i'll be speaking a few hours ahead of president trump. we saw president trump go into the south bronx. i found during my race for governor, as i was talking to asian voters and black motors and hispanic voters when you show up and you don't pander, you show up and actually talk to him about the quality of education in schools or crime, or mental health challenges, or homelessness and more on the issues there are these issues that transcend blind partisan loyalty. so ultimately if you haven't asked me what traits as far as getting out in campaigning and making a difference, i would say it's the interest, the willingness, the ability to get out, not just talk to republicans who may be already with you, but being able to win over the support of democrats, saying that you should be under consideration. you're going to say all right now i will nominate julie sure. >> that'll help my thoughts. >> the first to speak up for it has somewhat like good stuff in the cup the vp doesn't necessarily matter beyond what can you add that the top of the ticket doesn't donald trump need somebody who can be a monster fundraiser? he's lag joe biden. this cycle. he needs someone who can go and campaign independent of him. he is going to be tied up in courtrooms. he's gonna be busy who can go out turnout crowds, and reach voters who we maybe hasn't been able to. and then he wants most fiercely loyal to him. and this is the key thing. and you were somebody so you know this i know personally it's somebody who would not do what mike pence did on january 6. that's been a bit of aliveness test and some of these discussions, i think rubio and bergen make a lot but of sense i am kind of stunned though, that there's only really one woman and consideration and she's kinda considered the second tier considering that abortion is one of the top issues this cycle, trump's consistently been bleeding support with suburban women. and i think having a woman in contention would be a huge boom. >> i hear you, but i have to say, i think it's past that point for them yeah the first time in american history that a right has been taken away. the right to choice has been taken away by the supreme court. those people named by donald trump, having a woman as vp is not going to erase that. there's no way you can make that up. and i think the challenge here is none of these figures that are being talked about for vp are big enough. to really have an effect on the election. they're not going to win the swing voters over. i think this is a key thing. you just said, right? suburban women are going to determine this election right now, that's something that's gonna help joe biden in my opinion, and those swing states, who of these folks that donald trump is looking at for vp are possibly going to help to change that balance. i don't see any of them as decisive. trump has just two dominant and he has crossed the rubicon on issues related to women in such a profound way, vp is not going to say, do you believe any of those three names that could help with that? i mean, a marco rubio or any of those names that could potentially help with some of those voters are two seats. >> i think first the foremost, the most important trait we're talking about one quality a few minutes ago about winning an election november the most important trait is somebody who can fill the position of being president of united states and that really should be like the top three priorities of picking them. and there are talented people here. i mean, you mentioned doug burgum is a governor of a state and he was a wealthy the businessman and marco rubio is he's a good messenger and he speaks spanish and he can get out and communicate with a larger demographic. but if you go down the list, you jd jd vance, cia, he come comes on your show and you might ask him tough questions and he's ready for, and he'll give you tough answers and you're ready to go back to them and i think the audience likes to watch the back-and-forth there. >> there are talents by don't think anyone really is going to change the election as a vp of them are particularly presidential in my opinion, respectfully, and i can say democrats and republicans, i can say different or the same analysis for people in both parties these particular folks don't strike me as the person who's going to step in if they were ever called one dynamic though that i think i just want to finish. i just don't think it would be very interesting and valid. trump said, i'm going to go for a really well-known, highly respected kind of crossover american figure, someone that people could see as their president. i don't think the people we're talking about here meet that standard. >> i just think that when you get to a vp debate and you get one shot right? there might be as few as one debates. one debate. and vice president kamala harris is onstage with that candidate, and you're talking about these issues related to the border or the economy, foreign policy and energy. and you're flushing qing out, not just your own positions as a candidate, but really the positions of your ticket and your party in a moment, there's someone there when mike pence arguably beat vice president commonly harrison. a debate in the next day, donald trump's stepped on the entire message at the end of the day donald trump's fatal flaw since he wanted 2016 is not being able to pivot to a general election. he's out there this week and talking about wind turbines and sharks and boats and sinking, not talking about issues voters, qarrah, always talking about rage and retribution. so you can have the best messenger out there. i think mike pence was arguably the best person he could have chosen navigated the trump dynamics in a way that wasn't better could i think i don't know that anyone's going to be able to bring him back to these independencies right? 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i think we are going to get a verdict tomorrow. i mean, it's not a complicated case. we only had four days worth of evidence. the jury certain lee knows what the issues are i don't think they have to spend more than tomorrow on this, but i think if they don't get a verdict tomorrow, you could be looking at a hung jury here because, like i said, the facts are not that complicated and the legal issues really aren't that complicated. >> and as we know, if it's a hung jury, they'll try to send them back in, like what we were speculating with the trump case as well. yeah. they would get an allen charge, which is a charge to tell them to continue to deliberate, but they'll also be cautioned not to give up their firmly held beliefs. so it's time for the sake of coming to a close. jurors light want to reach verdicts. they know they're supposed to reach a verdict, but sometimes they can and sometimes allen charge is working, sometimes they don't. i wonder what you thought because you're always we're always trying to get the minds of the jury. we don't know what they're actually thinking, but what do you think they took the prosecution's closing argument today not to pay attention to who is in the room. i mean, it was a pretty clear comment directed at the first lady jill. >> i mean to refer to people in the gallery are not evidence. i think that was the direct quote to refer to the first lady as people in the gallery. i think it could have been very off putting. you have to assume that the biden family and forget about what you think of joe biden, forget about what you think of hunter biden. i'm sure jill biden enjoys a good reputation in the state of delaware. the rest of the biden family, it seemed like a little bit of a cheap shot. i think the prosecutors felt like they had to acknowledge what they perceived as the elephant in the room that you have the biden family there, but it wasn't inappropriate. they were all close family members, right? it's not like, you brought in political allies or people that you wouldn't normally expect, people you wouldn't have thanksgiving with? yeah. if you were the attorney representing hunter biden here, would you have sent the family million? oh, absolutely. i would have had the family that interestingly, i think i would have considered bringing the president there just for the summations now, you can't bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn't he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that's interesting. >> so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i'm sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. >> and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he's there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he's not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he's not there as the president of the united states he's there as the father of hunter biden? >> yeah. >> i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it's it's not great, but you can't read too much into that. >> yeah. >> we're not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to