defendant trump himself, by the way, after weeks of revealing witness testimony, after weeks of intense cross-examination, after our legal system has been tried and tested in ways it has never before, we're now reaching the end of this trial. closing arguments in donald trump's criminal trial start after that judge juan merchan will deliver his instructions ti the jury. then those seven men and five women bill deliberate and give the result to former president. we don't know what the outcome will be. i know it sounds surreal, but it's all happening starting tomorrow morning. and if one person appears to be feeling the heat right now is clearly trump himself who surprise surprise, everyone, lashed out at the judge, the jury and over the weekend trump is pretty clearly testing the bounds of his gag order here because he knows at this point hours away from closing arguments the judge is probably past the point of wanting to derail they trial. as this case enters its final phase you can find any prediction you want how it may endch the jury may not make its case and acquit him or end in a mistrial or convict trump as former fbi director james comey predict. that would make trump the first former u.s. presidente to be criminally convicted. by the end of this week we may very well know which of those scenarios prevails. we'll see. right now we simply don't know yet and all starts tomorrow morning. judging from the opening statements we can expect the prosecutor to make a story telling. a key part of s that is what trump's motivation was in misrepresenting the payments to michael cohen. and we can expect to hear a further effort to dismantle michael cohen's credibility. there's more than a dozen bnss before cohen that corroborated the story. their bet is if the jury doesn't believe him, michael cohen, they can help. and then soon after when a jury of trump's peers in new york decide on his fate. i have an all-star legal panel today somehow on humorrial day. mary mccord, the farmer acting assistant general, lisa rubin an msnbc correspondent. all of them have been following this trial closely and they join me now. you've been there almost every day. >> every day. >> sorry, i didn't mean to cut you short there. a meticulous and organized storyteller that's my definition reading and hearing intranscript from the opening statement. >> i think josh steinglass is going to put together all the different crinology. and we've seen the data from disparate sources, everything from phone record providers to the trump organization itself. so i expect josh steinglass is going to take the jury through how the conspiracy was formed, how we know donald trump himself was not only a part of that conspiracy in a broad sense but okayed the payment to stormy daniels. and then moving onto the period in which he was president, how wee know that he okayed the repayment scheme allen weisselberg and michael cohen came up with and executed the checks nine of them personally to michael cohen in that period. then they're going to take us to the period beyond the point michael cohen was receiving checks all what show consciousness of guilt, in his litigation, in his financial disclosure form and even on twitter that shows he knows full well exactly what this was. it was a repayment, hush money payment to stormy daniels, not legitimate payment for services. >> mary, that's a lot to pack into a closing argument. a lot of what was in the opening which was interesting and story telling in an average way lawyers could understand, what is most important in your view in this closing argument that the jurys needs to hear and adjust and understand? >> yeah, a few things. he wants to continue the story telling in the sense of we've now told you this story. here's the evidence and i agree with lisa he'll setout a time line and go through it chronologically. here's the story we told you opening and proved it in evidence admitted at trial. i think crucially as well he'll show basically the government -- the peopleal as they call them when it's state court in new york -- the people established really the elements of this crime even before they got to michaele cohen so that he will try to minimize the necessity for michael cohen's testimony, michael cohen's evidence and have thehe jury pretty much understand the case was proven and michael cohen tie td all up, filled in some gaps. but everything critical he said necessary to find mr. trump's guiltin had already been corroborated and proven through other witnesses, through exhibits, through allen weisselberg's notes on the actual documents which were actually the bank records michaeltu cohen had, the notes how the repayment would be made, all those things. i think that's going to be very important. the defense is going to try to hammer michael cohen's credibility and suggest he was acting independently, to the extent there was an conspiracy here. >>ns michael cohen acting rogue doesn't make sensect as a human being, but again i'm not a lawyer. you wrote a piece this morning and had a lot of interesting pieces in it. as mary just said their strategy seems to be around michael cohen's credibility. and you basically argued in your piece michael cohen admitting to his lies may help with the jury credibility. he didhe admit to it pretty quickly. p you also wrote how you would handle the phone call, which wa, a big moment in the last couple of weeks cohen may have mixed up the date or content of it. tell us about thastrategy and the cohen piece of it. >> ihe agree they will hammer o michael cohen, but the good news is, jen, jurors don't check their common sense at the courtroom door. they bring it into the jury box, into the deliberation room, and they're going to view the evidence through their sort of common sense lenses, and i think one thing that will likelyth resonate with them is the question whona benefitted from this crime. certainly not michael cohen. he wasn't running for office. he didn't get elected president of the united states of america. in fact, it sounds like he had to sneak around and hide from hisd own wife the fact he was opening a home equity line of credit to make this corrupt hush money payment. why? to try to help donald trump wip elected office. that is the kind of common sense argument that will resonate with the jury.e with respect to the phone call i frankly chuckled to myself as a former career prosecutor when i heard people, you know, swooning over just how damaging that was for michael cohen's credibility. think about this. michael cohen did not accurately remember whether he told donald a phone call on a tuesday or a thursday hey, boss, i made the payment. you may remember the substance ofy a consequential call but you're not going to remember the date and time. and more importantly as much of a cheapskate donald trump is do you really think he would have started writing a $35,000 reimbursement check if michael cohen hadn't told him, hey, boss i made the payment, i want my money. these are common sense arguments that will resonate with the l jury, and i think the defense overplayed its hand in any number of ways including -- and we'll get to this -- insisting donald trump had no sexual encounter with stormy daniels. boy, is that going to come back to bite them. >> that was such a strange part of -- i think it was in the opening statement of todd blanche where they insisted on that. this credibility component seems like it's a big weight for how both sides are thinking about the injury. there's also this credibility of michael cohen. how do you play that if you're the prosecution? >> well, i think i would take stormy daniels separately from michael cohen. about minimizing cohen and focusing all the other ways they establish critical facts. glen was saying whose benefit was this scheme, certainly not for michael cohen's one answer to that was of course it was for donald trump because why else would donald trump throw david pecker essentially a thank you the white house in july 2017 where he said to pecker according to pecker's testimony,ck invite whoever you want, this is a thank you for you. well, whatfo the heck is donald trump thanking david pecker for other than saving his behind in the general election by burying not only one but two stories thatwo could have had a devastating impact on his campaign and the weight of the "access hollywood" tape. in terms of michael cohen and his own credibility, the way you show-off that credibility is similar. you show all the ways in which the documentation and other witnesses support cohen. so, for example, hope hicks, by taking a dig at michael cohen shored up his credibility. he said i didn't believe for a second when trump was telling me cohen made the payment out the goodnessay of his own heart tha wasn't the way it wept down. and when asked why, she said the michael cohen i knew was the first person to takei credit f everything. he was not a selfless and generous human being. that's a the way you establish michaelay cohen's credibility en if it means taking a kbhauk at him in other dimensions. >> the collaboration by other witnesses is such an important component of this. the thing people are texting me is how long will this take. we don't know. everybody's becoming a lawyer. so one of the things i read about is that the jury is not allowed to take instructions with them. how do they do that? do they take notes? go in there? is there any tea leaf reading? >> i think part of the reason jurors decide is they don't want people having questions and go back to it and playing lawyer themselves interpreting that language. if there's a question about instructions, the court will want the jury to ask the judge their question. >> and the judge will then talk to the jury. >> and that way it's coming from the judge so they are going to be relying on memories. you'll recall also at the beginning of this trial the judge allowed them to take notes. the other thing i expect you'll hear in jury instructions is your notes are not evidence, and your notes are not proof. use them as an aid to refresh your recollection, but people should understand people make mistakes in their notes. sometimes people have written something down, they take it as fact, butit of course that's no the case. so those kind of instructions will be there for the jury. in terms of how long it takes there's just no way of knowing. what they don't need to do -- what you often start other federal trials with is electing a foreperson. there are 34 counts but the proof for each will be pretty similar. the instructions will tell them what evidence people have to prove in order for them to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. i think in addition to the different alternatives you mentioned at the top of the hour about what the jury might do, there's another possibility, too, which is a mixed version. it is possible -- i'm not suggesting they should do this or the prosecution didn't prove its case for all 34 counts, but they could view the first few counts relating to payments that were actually when the reimbursements were coming from the trump revokable trust signed not by donald trump as president but signed by those still working for the trump organization, they could view those differently, for example, than the nine counts where donald trump himself was n signg from the white house and heard evidence it was brought personally to keith schiller for him to sign. you could see potentially some break down between some counts finding not guilty or hanging on, not having all 12 agree. because an acquittal means all 12 have to agree. i find that highly unlikely to be honest in this case, but you could have break downs like that and thatre takes time. >> that's interesting all things to watch. nobody set their time. we don't know. we have to sneak in a very quick break. everyone here is sticking around and we'll keep our conversation going back on the other end. also coming up a little reminder donald trump's hush money trialmi isn't the only lel battle theal former president i following right now, and we're following a significant development in another case. special counsel jack smith is seeking a brand new gag order against donald trump. we'll discuss that next. gag ord against donald trump we'll discuss that next. what is cirkul? 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led to his indictment on 40 federal charges. trump followed up tuesday night with a fundraising email blast claiming that the doj, quote, was authorized to shoot me. also adding, quote, joe biden was locked and loaded ready to take me out and put my family in danger. that is obviously not true and a borderline crazy statement but that did not stop his allies from getting behind that lie. congressman marjorie taylor greene said the fbi was planning to assassinate president trump and gave the green light. on his podcast, steve bannon called it an attempted assassination and tim scott deflected during an interview just yesterday. >> once again we find ourselves re enforcing this two tiered justice system where we see a different standard for republicans and specifically a different start ard for donald trump. there is a fear among conservatives that this weaponizing of the justice system, if they do it to donald trump, they do it anyone. >> i mean, tim scott, come on. now the fbi took the rare statement of issuing a statement in response to all of these bogus and by the way dangerous claims saying in part, that they followed standard protocol as we do for all search warrant which includes a standard policy statement limiting the use of deadly force. and i would note, and this is an important detail, donald trump was not even in florida at the time. attorney general merrick garland pushed back during a press conference on thursday. >> that allegation is false. and it is extremely dangerous. the document that is being referred to in the allegation is a justice department standard policy limiting the use of force. as the fbi advises, it is part of a standard operations plan for searches and, in fact, it was used in the consensual search of president biden's home. >> standard protocol. also used in the -- in president biden's home. important words there from merrick garland. another person who knows all of this is special counsel jack smith. he's asking for a new court order blocking donald trump from statements that endanger law enforcement statements and he called the statements false and imflammatory and he explained as trump is well aware, the fbi took extraordinary care to execute the search warrant and scheduling the search of mar-a-lago when he and his family would be away. they're all back with me. glenn, i think this is so important for us to understand. let's start with the fact that this language is standard protocol. explain more on that. >> every law enforcement agency, every law enforcement officer, when they on an operation, whether it is executing an arrest warrant or searching a premises, they're entitled to use deadly force when to repel a deadly attack or to protect the safety and lives ever others. so this was entirely routine. run-of-the-mill as the attorney general and others said. but i'll tell you, jen, the most infuriating part is when i read the 12-page filing from jack smith and two things that jumped out of me. one, they coordinated with donald trump's attorneys in advance of the execution of the search warrant. i have to tell you, i think that is a mistake. because that gives targets of an investigation an opportunity to hide evidence, to destroy evident, so, i don't know, move boxes of classified documents from one place to another. not only that, they executed this search warrant at a time they knew donald trump and his family would be out of florida. they weren't even going to be in the state. so when donald trump posted that they were ready to shoot me and they endangered my family, he knows that is an extraordinarily dangerous lie to tell because they weren't even in the state and the fbi made sure they weren't going to be in the state. so when steve bannon said this was an assassination attempt, it has got to be the most incompetent assassination attempt ever because they made sure the target wasn't even going to be on the promises. this is dangerous violence-inducing rhetoric from donald trump. >> this is -- and i want to spend a moment on that. because the threat and jack smith references in this his filing, the danger this caused and you heard merrick garland talk about this and you've had all these elected officials who know better. first of all, even if they weren't lawyers, trump wasn't even there at the time. that is an easy to understand fact. and what the problem is, is that people could watch tim scott, or watch marjorie taylor greene and think there was an assassination attempt on the former president when there clearly was not. talk about the danger this poses to law enforcement officials. >> this is why jack smith has sought an amendment of mr. trump's release pending trial including that he not make these type of accusations and attacks. we know from all of the cases that have been brought that attacks on judges result in threats to judges. there is a person being prosecuted for threatening judge tanya chutkan here in d.c. and after the mar-a-lago search warrant was executed, there was an attack on the fbi field office in cincinnati in retaliation for what the person who committed this had been consuming from sort of unfair raid on mar-a-lago. we know that prosecutors have been threatened over emails, by voice mail, with people coming to homes, we know people have gotten doxed. people have had false hoaxes called in about them and swatted as they call it. there is a track record here of people listening to false statements, not only by donald trump but by people like marjorie taylor greene and tim scott and acting on them. and now this is probably mostin -- most inflammatory of all. and what jack smith is concerned about is that will put a target on those law enforcement agents's backs. >> and it is so alarming. and aileen cannon has moments. what can she do here? what are the options should she want to take action? >> well the first option for her to do what the motion asks which is to modify donald trump's condition of release. and i want to pause on that and differentiate that from your standard gag order. because the release that the government is asking here would modify trumps conditions of release such that if he were to violate them, and make some sort of significant imminent and foreseeable threat to the law enforcement involved in this investigation, she could immediately revoke his release and impose conditions that would include putting him in jail or pretrial detention. so the fact that the government is asking to modify the conditions ever release and not just the standard gag order. that is a big deal. and then we have judge cannon who has not been expeditious on ruling on the motions to dismiss in front of her. i think she sits on this for a while and denies it at which point jack smith could elevate this to the 11th circuit and a denial of a request to modify conditions of release is immediately appealable in the federal system, and that's one of the reasons they likely have asked for it the way that they have. >> not particularly expeditious. that is a good way of describing it. lisa, thank you all very much. mary mccord, glenn kirshner and lisa rubin and i know you're working hard this week. and coming up, donald trump heads to the libertarian convention and gets booed loudly. we'll tell you about that when we come back. life's daily battles are not meant to be fought alone. - we're not powerless. so long as we don't lose sight of what's important. don't be afraid to seize that moment to talk to your friends. - cloud, you okay? because checking in on a friend can create a safe space. - the first step on our new journey. you coming? reach out to a friend about their mental health. seize the awkward. it's totally worth it. over the weekend, donald trump made his case to the libertarian party on why they should support him. and let's just say the crowd reception wasn't what trump was accustomed to at his usual maga rallies. he was loudly booed throughout his remarks, and at one point he clearly got fed up. >> the libertarian party should nominate trump for president of the united states. whoa, that's nice. that's nice. only if you want to win. only if you want to win. maybe you don't want to win. maybe you don't want to win. thank you, d. roy. thank you. no, only do that if you want to win. if you want to lose, don't do that. keep getting your 3% every four years. >> antagonizing your audience. i could tell you, it is not the most effective of strategies and in a political campaign. but there we go. surprise, surprise, trump did not get the libertarian endorsement or the nomination. they nominated as they have in title and trump ended up getting a grand write-in total of six which is less than 6% of the vote, and that is to eke out a few votes. and look at 2020. back in 2020, the libertarian candidate received more than 50,000 votes in the hotly contested state of arizona. trump only lost that state by just over 10,000 votes. so from the trump's campaign perspective, courting some of the voters could maybe swing the election or put a dent in it. could maybe flip a battleground state, one of the ones they narrowly lost four years ago. but what is also notable is who the trump campaign is trying to target. sure, go after some libertarian voters, but they may want to take a closer look at a block of voters in their own party. that chunk of republican voters who still vote for nikki haley over donald trump in state primaries even though trump is still the nominee. tim miller is here and jennifer palmieri and david jolly is a former republican congressman from florida. okay, tim, antagonizing your audience not ideal strategy. i don't know if anything was surprising, but what did you make of the reaction at the libertarian convention? >> just rewatching it right there aone thing that struck me is the advance failure of standing in front of a sign that said ungovernable and the anarchy, and the biden campaign could use that ilage because that is in line with donald trump. he is ungovernorable. and to your point, it makes sense that he could try to reach out to those folks. the third parties will matter. joe biden will have to reach out to the green party. that is not in donald trump's skillset responding to negative feedback. as a mega narcissist, that is not his strength. you could understand the strategy about why he was doing that. it is just executed pretty poorly. >> very poorly. it is almost like they didn't know what they were walking into. as we all know, there is nothing more valuable than a candidate's time. so jennifer palmieri, i want to ask you a follow up to the question i asked tim, yes, it makes sense to reach out to these voters, and maybe reaching out to the haley type voters or something else. what did you make of the decision? and they didn't seem to know what they were walking into. that's the thing that sits with me. >> the former president of the libertarian party was on "morning joe" thursday or friday, and he predicted exactly what happened. he's going to get a bad reception and not get the endorsement. i don't think even that guy thought he would get six votes. but it is that he hasn't done a lot of other campaigning. he's in the bronx last week. >> new jersey. >> and then new jersey. people are like, oh, he was in new jersey but it is the philadelphia media market or you could go to philadelphia. co go to an actual battleground state. so it tells me that the campaign thought they're worried about rfk and they think this is a good move to try to get those voters over. but then also, you know, i think he just won't appeal to haley's voters. i think he's too upset about it. you're correct that that -- you do both things. appeal to the libertarians and also try to appeal to haley voters, but he does not appear to want to do that. >> no, he doesn't. i think rfk got more votes than him at this convention. so not even that works. and trump has to expand and the polls are very tight and trump is up in a number ever places but he has to expand his base of support. if he's not going after the haley voters, he's not going over the libertarians effectively, is he just assuming people will come back to him. what is the game plan here? >> well, look, i think negative partisanship is more likely to put people in trump's camp than anything trump can run on. he could run on chaos and being a wrecking ball again. but a lot of people, that is why they don't want trump. that is why the haley voter is a haley voter and not a trump voter. when nikki haley said i hope donald trump will do more outreach, i'm not sure it will work because when they're reminded about donald trump, they don't actually like him. i think the two opportunities to expand his base first it's negative partisanship. what nikki haley's move showed us is that the level of hatred to joe biden and the effectiveness of conspiracy theories and false information about the economy and his leadership on the world stage, that is really deeply rooted in republican performing voters. so the negative hits on joe boyden might bring some haley voters back to the trump camp, but the second wild card is the vp pick. look, mike pence in 2016 was necessary for a specific reason. you can bring a proxy of nikki haley, a marco rubio to the trump ticket and a lot of the haley voters say, coy see this. i could see policy. this is a republican party that i remember. look, a lot of haley voters will still vote for joe biden. but the vice president pick could matter for the president -- for the former president. >> it would be the first time ever that it mattered. but maybe. maybe in terms of winning an election. maybe. p tim, let me ask you about rick grenell. he's trump's former acting director of intelligence and current adviser. according to him, he had the news for the appearance and he said that he knew the election wasn't stolen and that was to, quote, throw spaghetti at the wall and wanted to be secretary of state and what is bizarre is that he's driving some of the campaign strategy here. what strikes you about it? >> what strikes me is my holiday weekend is over when someone said let's talk about rick grenell. that is a downer. but anyway, look rick grenell is a unstable character. what strikes me, he's an unstable guy. you just have to look at his twitter feed. he has a long history of sending out deeply personal, misogynistic and conspiratorial information. and yet he might be among the most strategic, if i could use that word, of the people around trump. and trump has, you know, cast out a lot of the people around him that had political experience before. now he's brought in chris and susie wilds. two people at the top ever his campaign. but everybody he talks to is a insane person and i think grenell tries to bridge the two camps. so like super crazy and a republican strategist who knows what they're doing, who is going along to get along with the crazy. and i think that is why he plays an important role and i think he wants to be a leading foreign policy advocate for trump or appointee if he gets in there. >> it sounds like i didn't ruin your memorial day because you had a lot of thoughts on rick grenell there. so i'm just going to call you out on that. >> i'm just getting warmed up, baby. i could do the full hour if you want. >> be careful what you offer. we may need to. palmieri, let me just end with you. there are so many factors going on here. rick grenell and libertarians booing him. and there's accidently tweeting out videos, calling it the third reich. there are so many crazy things happening. if you're the biden team, the polls which may be so tight until the end, they don't seem to be shifting. what are you hoping for if you're them? >> i think what i saw that was important and there is so much to pick from. you have to pick your lane and any argument you make has to ladder up to an overarching message. for example, when biden -- or excuse me, when the trump campaign posted that video that talks about the unified reich, president biden did a video responding to it and he didn't end with trump is a fascist. he ended with i'm fighting for you and trump only cares about power and himself. right. like everything up is laddering up to that message. and so i think there are a lot of voters that are open to him. but you have to tailor -- you have to have a unified message that is breaking through every time you have an argument against trump, otherwise it's going to get lost in the wash, which is something that i worry about. >> who am i fighting for feels like the core t-shirt. it was the 2012 message too. thank you so much for joining me. i'm sorry it's memorial day. and david jolly, great to see you all. stay tuned for the full episode of rick grenell. coming up, world leaders are condemning an israeli air strike that killed dozens of displaced palestinians in rafah late last night. we'll tell you what benjamin netanyahu is saying what the u.s. could do in response. we're back after a quick break. we're back after a quick break according to health officials in gaza, dozens of people, including women and children and elderly, were killed in a deadly israeli strike last night at a tent refugee camp in rafah. civilians were sheltering in makeshift tents as the strikes started a fire that tore through the camp. at least 45 people were killed from the initial blast and the fire that followed. according to the local health ministry. the israeli military said they killed two senior hamas leaders in the strike. this is part of the attacks by the israeli military despite ordering a million displaced palestinians to evacuate there. the top court ordered israel to stop its attacks on rafah. tonight a spokesperson for the white house national security council said, quote, the devastating image said following the idf strike in rafah last night that killed dozens of palestinians is heart breaking. as we've been clear, israel must take every precaution possible to protect civilians and we're actively engaging idf and the partners on the ground to understand what happened and understand that the idf is conducting an investigation. netanyahu called it a tragic incident and are investigating the case and will draw conclusions because this is our policy. joining me the author of sub stack and everybody should subscribe to. and i've written those statements before and clearly there's an investigation, they'll look into it. but the photos and images -- >> they speak for themself. >> they're devastating. if you were sitting in your old job at the state department or now, what would you be pushing and asking secretary blinken and other officials what they they might be discussing and considering in terms of additional steps to change the behavior of the israeli military? >> if you look back the past few weeks and you've been talking to your former colleagues, president biden has been laying out certain things about rafah. don't go into rafah. but if you want to do it, be limited or i'm going to hold the aid. then he said, the humanitarian situation is so bad and oh, yeah, by the way, there may have been violations of international law. and so he keeps saying to prime minister netanyahu, he keeps laying out what his red lines are and what he likes to see and at every point prime minister netanyahu is ignoring. >> plowing forward. >> plowing forward. and i think you're hearing the discussion in the u.s. and other circles, even if, jen, and we don't want to do that. but if we want to put the hampton suffering, the death and the aid and all of that aside for a second and focus on israel and whether this is in their best interest. when you see the isolation that israel is facing in the wake of this attack, france, germany, italy, the united nations, the isolation is deepening. now egypt, one of the only allies that it has a peace treaty with, you see a lot of tension on that border right now. >> one of their soldiers was killed. >> and they joined this icj case about whether it is a genocide or not. we put that aside. but is this all in israel's best interest? and you've heard jake sullivan and the president say we don't think it is in israel's best interest and we want to go a two-state solution. at what point does u.s. interests and israel interests and beliefs are totally antithetical, i think the u.s. has to make a hard choice now about how it is going to support israel? is that with weapons and diplomacy? >> some of it is hoding back of military. it is significant when that actually happens, right. the holding back of military aid to israel if they do more of that. >> i don't think u.s. will hold back the kind ever aid from defending itself against iran or defending itself against hamas. but these kinds of weapons allowing them to launch air strikes, you can condition them for very specific things that they can do and what they can't do. and i think you're going to have to see president biden maybe step it up in terms of the conditions themselves because clearly he's saying again this is not in your interests. and what ally that continues to give israel or any other country aid -- would we be giving ukraine aid if they're basically like you need to piss off? >> but prime minister netanyahu might decide it is in his personal -- >> he needs this war. i saw mike johnson, the house speaker was going to the israeli national day the other day, to speak on the whole idea of independence and invited prime minister netanyahu and i saw a lot of israelis there that are talking about netanyahu has to go. netanyahu has to go. the head of the european union is saying i'm not going to say israel anymore. i'm going to say the netanyahu government because they think it's the netanyahu government's policies that are really against israel's best interests. and now more you see the israeli public saying that, too. >> let me ask you with about a minute left but you're a professional, too. netanyahu he referred to the strike as a tragic mishap. he has to acknowledge the civilian deaths and the outcry from the international community. is there anything you read into that in terms of a potential change or we should expect they're going to proceed to continue into rafah. >> you saw today they didn't even miss a beat. sorry, this is collateral -- they're sorry, i'm sure they're not happy that it happened, but in their view it's collateral damage, they got too high value targets, and so in their view they're going to keep plowing ahead. i don't see short of something -- an international action or particularly a u.s. action that would actually put the brakes on this. israel is going to do what it wants, and it's continuing to give i would say mixed messages from the biden administration about what it will accept and what it won't accept. originally it said don't go into rafah but it said go into rafah and do it in a limited way. it's going in a limited way, but still we saw what happened today. even though it's not technically in a safe zone, it was right near a u.n. depot where these palestinians thought they were safe. there's really nowhere right now for them to go short of israel putting them all on a bus and putting them somewhere. so i think you're going to continue to see this until there's some limits put on the campaign. >> horrific images in the meantime. lisa, thank you so much for joining me on memorial day. i appreciate it very much. up next a current president, a former president, and two very different memorial day messages. i'll explain after a quick break. memorial day messages. i'll explain after a quick break. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. go to dealdash.com and see how much you can save. we all know that memorial day is a solemn day. a day to honor and mourn u.s. military members who died while serving their country. but donald trump is not surprisingly not focused on any of that. he's focused on himself. he posted a long-winded rant on truth social earlier today. earlier that said in part, "happy memorial day to all, including the human scum that is working so hard to destroy our once great country. thank you veterans for your service is not what he said. while donald trump spent this day doing that president biden honored the fallen. he participated in a wreath laying ceremony at the tomb of the unknown soldier earlier today along with vice president kamala harris and defense secretary lloyd austin. he then spoke at the national memorial day observance gathering in the memorial amphitheater focusing on those who gave the ultimate sacrifice. >> we gather at this sacred place, at this solemn moment to remember, to honor, honor the sacrifice of the hundreds of thousands of women and men who've given their lives to this nation, each one literally a chain 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