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biden administration on a critical abortion case. that's according to a document that was mistakenly and briefly posted to the court's website. which was reviewed by bloomberg news before it was taken down bloomberg has since published the full text of the document which shows the court voting 63 to allow abortions in emergency situations in idaho on a temporary basis while the case continues idaho's strict abortion laws ban the procedure in nearly all cases. it prohibits er, doctors from providing abortions to women whose pregnancies are causing medical emergencies that are not life threatening. >> the league marks yet another stunning breach of protocol at the supreme court, which usually safeguards the release of its opinions cnn is covering this from all angles. we have our chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid, are medical correspondent, meg tirrell, and also with us, we have emergency room physician, dr. meghan ranney. first you, paula, what are you learning about what happened here and what the supreme court is saying about it? it's two big issues here. the first is what appears to be opinion on what are the biggest cases that the supreme court is taken up. this term. and the other is the fact that there was a yet another leak out of the supreme court. but let's first look at the opinion or what appears to be the opinion. is reporting is coming from bloomberg law. they say that they saw this document that was posted a briefly by the supreme court. we did not see that posted by the supreme court, but they have now posted this documents and the court has released a statement appearing to confirm that, yes, this document was inadvertently released. they said, quote, the courts publication unit inadvertently and briefly uploaded a document to the court's website. the court's opinion in moyle v. united states and idaho, the united states will be issued in due course. so this statement appearing to differentiate between the document that was posted and an opinion that will be released soon. and in this document, it appears that the supreme court is siding with the biden administration. this case comes out of idaho oh, and the decision would allow abortions to be performed in emergency situations to preserve the health, health of the mother, but not necessarily having to wait until a woman's life is at risk met the decision as it is written. again in this document that was posted leaves a lot of uncertainty. it has a little larger question after roe v. wade was overturned about what happens when there are conflicts between state and federal laws. but the other issue here is of course, this incredible breach of protocol. this is the second time that a major abortion case has leaked out of the supreme court in this case being an inadvertently posted. now this comes the timing is significant. this comes roughly 36 hours before a presidential debate that i think most people would agree is probably the most significant moment in this campaign season so far. the supreme court also been a little slow to roll out their final big cases. they still have roughly ten cases left to be released. it's unclear if this abortion opinion would have come before tomorrow's debate i've reached out many of the stakeholders in this case, the justice department that argued on behalf of the government, the white house that was watching this very closely. and of course, the trump campaign, because while a lot of folks are waiting for the trump immunity case, watching that closely, we have repeatedly said that it was this case, the abortion-related case that could have the biggest impact on the election so far, all these stakeholders declining to comment until the actual opinion is officially released by the supreme court and of course, you know, tomorrow and friday, both opinion days at the high court you will watch to see if they officially published it. >> paula reid. thanks so much. at the heart of this case is emtala this federal law, the emergency medical treatment and active labor act help us understand what it is and how it clashed with idaho's abortion law. >> yeah. so this is a law that goes back to 1986 and it applies to hospitals that participate in medicare and provide emergency services, which is sort of most hospitals. i never requires these hospitals to provide care when necessary to stabilize a patient's condition regardless of their ability to pay. and this was implemented at the time to avoid something called patient dumping or maybe private hospitals would want to move patients who couldn't pay to public hospitals for cost reasons. and it applies to pregnant women as well. now, the u.s government, the biden administration, argued in this case that this law clashed with idaho's very strict abortion ban. this was one of the strictest abortion laws in the country. it prohibits abortion in most cases, except to prevent the death of the person who's pregnant. and a few other narrow circumstances. this is punishable by two to five years in prison. and there are certain circumstances that doctors have pointed out as well as the department of justice in its brief, where this would clash when pregnant woman's health is at risk for future fertility, her organs, but she's not yet on death's door where they say that the federal law preempts idaho's law, things like a premature rupture of membranes, for example, uncontrolled hemorrhaging, detach placenta, severe pre-eclampsia. so these are some of the places where the government has argued that the federal law needs to supersede the state law and we've been to idaho and talk to doctors and patients there and dr. say, they've had to ship patients out of state to get care because there is so much uncertainty over what is legal and so this may continue because there may still be uncertainty as this still moves through the courts, guys. >> yeah. and that was something they were doing increasingly once these things became in conflict. meg, thank you so much for that. i want to bring in dr. ronny. you are an emergency room physician and we do need to be clear here. this is about an injunction, meaning as the core issue here is determined by the courts what happens with idaho's law as it may be in conflict here with emtala. so this is temporary until that's worked out, but that said if this ultimately is what is decided, that there can be an exception when it comes to health what does that going to mean for care provided an emergency rooms across the country? >> what it would mean is that care continues as it currently exists in most states across the united across the u.s basically that we as emergency physicians have both a moral and legal obligation to take care of anyone who walks through the door for any reason? and stabilize them. we make sure they don't have a medical emergency if they do have a medical emergency, we do everything within our power to treat them. the thing that is so worrisome about this idaho law, we're at upheld is that it would stop my and my colleagues ability to provide needed care. it would force us to decide in between legal regulations and the patient in front of us it would make us wait until patients are literally on death's door to act and let's be clear, there's no bright line. it's not like, oh, at this minute, this person is totally fine. and the next minute we can say they're about to die. there's no clear dividing line between those as two conditions. so it would make folks wait until women are incredibly dangerous positions. now should this injunction actually be what they're saying it is that's great news for physicians, for patients, for families in idaho. but here's the thing that's really worrisome already, just the way that the idaho law has been written. even though it has not been enforced. we've seen one out of five ob, gains in the state of idaho leave that state. we've seen a dramatic increase in the number of out-of-state transfers of severely ill pregnant women. so even without this law being enforced as written or pretty seen, negative effects on the health of women and families, and negative effects on the number of physicians providing much-needed reproductive care in that state. my worry is that this injunction does not actually create clarity for the health care system. it's just pushing it down the road and basically showing other ways to pass devious laws that restrict abortion and critical reproductive health access. for patients in need that question of delay was something that was pointed out by justice ketanji brown jackson saying that this essentially just kicks the can down the road. >> doctor, i wanted to do to expand if you could for a moment on on that line that you were describing that you see with patients and their conditions in what situations might a woman need an emergency abortion when it doesn't get to the point of being a risk to her life gosh, i've taken care of dozens of such patients over the course of my career. >> let me give you two examples. one, a patient who comes in, who's having a miscarriage, who's been unable to completely finish the miscarriage on their own at home. who's actively bleeding? who's still perhaps has a fetus maybe with a heartbeat, but it's so clear that that pregnancy is over now that women may not be on death's door at the moment that i first see her, but i can predict that if we don't do what's called a d&c, which is essentially an abortion to help finish that miscarriage, she will continue to bleed to hemorrhage until she is potentially on death's door. we shouldn't make her have to wait to sit in a hospital bed for hours or for days actively bleeding until she gets to that point when her organs are shutting down. that's one example another example is an ectopic pregnancy. when the pregnancy lands outside of the uterus in the ovary, or even in the abdomen. it can burst and you can cause extensive bleeding inside the belly. i've taken care of countless patients for whom this has happened. it can cause severe pain, it can cause tachycardia. and if untreated, it can mean that a woman can't have future children so we're supposed to wait and watch while someone continues to bleed internally until that point when she's barely survivable and maybe her reproductive capacity has been hurt forever before we're allowed to treat that ectopic pregnancy. that also is a ridiculous situation. and there are many more for that. i've personally seen and cared for over the course of my career. this really puts doctors as well as patients and families in an untenable position. no wonder, a bunch of doctors are again leaving the state of idaho right now. >> yeah. we've seen that there has been quite the exodus. dr. meghan, ronnie, thank you so much for your insights. we do appreciate it thank you. still plenty mourners to gate to. it is debate iv for for joe biden and donald trump, the key issues both candidates are being pushed to hammer home during 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getting trump to hone in on the issues that they believe they have the upper hand on immigration crime, and inflation. those are areas they believed that they pull well in and they prefer the former for president focuses energy on going on the attack and those areas instead of going into his degree, vance's that he has focused on for the last four years. the other area is more related to style donald trump in the first debate of their last meeting in 2020 he was talking over the moderator. he was talking over joe biden, but one point biden told him to quote, shut up in an adviser to trump says that they believe that they lost the election in that moment. and so they are hoping that donald trump, this go around we'll, we'll, will try to adhere more to the format of the debates and trump himself in recent interview, did acknowledge that he was cold very aggressive in that first debate, and he felt that he did much better in this second debate. and so he, i think going into this, they are trying to urge him to be more like he was in that second debate, whether that happens will remain remains to be seen. trump camp the pain though. trump and his campaign, they'll keep insisting that this debate prep is, is not as extensive as what the president is doing. in fact, donald trump in an interview downplayed exactly what the benefits you can get from doing debate prep. listen to what he said i think i've been preparing for it for my whole life. if you want to know that truth and i'm not sure you can lock yourself into a room for two weeks or one week or two days and really learn what you have to know now trump does though he, you know, he said that he hasn't doing some prep behind the scenes, though he is mixing things up a little bit as you know, he was on the campaign trail the weekend. >> he has attended a fundraiser. he's still doing media interviews and just a little bit ago, he called into an event with both black supporters in the atlanta area all right. >> steve can torno. thank you so much for the very latest on that. we appreciate it. and joining us now is the democratic governor of minnesota, tim walz. he is a surrogate for the biden campaign governor. great to have you and i do wonder what are you hoping to see from president biden tomorrow night and what do you not want to see in this debate? >> yeah. well, thank you for having me, briana, look, i want to see the president be themselves, somebody who cares about minnesotans and american, somebody who's out there doing the work for others, you know, trying to make our country fair for everyone. and i just hope and i'm sure he won't just don't engage with the buffoonery that donald trump wants to be. and we know these debates are not real life. i've been governor long enough. i served under both with president trump and president biden and with president trump, it was always fighting with my neighbors to get ventilators during covid and telling my citizens to drink bleach with joe biden. it's about real solutions, so i just think be himself, give us a positive vision for america, one that impacts our families and just don't get caught up in the grievance stuff that donald trump will bring there has been reporting the biden is preparing for a disciplined version of trump. i will say discipline and trump. those are not i think two words are we normally associate with one another. but in all seriousness, it's not. so i wonder what you think of that. do you really think that we're going to see that? >> hi, i mean, history would tell us know and listening to him talk about his not preparing a course. he's not preparing doesn't prepare for anything. he didn't listen to briefs. he didn't listen to governors during covid he didn't didn't do things to help us i got off the phone this morning with joe biden, who's concerned about the rapidan dam in mankato and the flooding we're saying that's a big deal. difference. debates are an opportunity for people to hear on some specific subjects. i hope the moderators do a good job of ask those questions, but this is about the record and i think donald trump's going to have a hard time because if he gets asked and he asked to talk about his record, there's not much there, but yeah, i you he's an entertainer. now we can talk about his felonies. i just expect him to not be able for 90 minutes not to talk about himself in the way that he normally does, which is untruths and hyperbole. so i think again, i would just have a presence just talking about his record folks out here know who's who's delivering, who's we got historic unemployment numbers out here starting to tame inflation. if donald trump had done his job and he was president, we wouldn't have been in the situation. we were so i'm going to watch just to see if he can maintain himself. i doubt it governor, we've been following this breaking news from bloomberg which obtained a document erroneously posted on the supreme court's website that shows the court at least temporarily allowing emergency abortions for the health of the mother in idaho and according to the document, it's a 6-3 decision which includes in the majority brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett, who are of course two of the justices nominated by president trump, confirmed during his presidency i wonder for the purposes of this debate, if you think that is it all tough for president biden, if you think it makes trump's supreme court as he sort of created it less extreme to voters. >> and how can president biden combat that? >> yeah, it's, it's a fair question. the leak is probably concerned. that's for another call on this, but but look what this is, is a good decision for women that are in danger of losing health care or even their lives with a extremist position taking can by idaho. so yeah, i don't i have to be really careful and just be candid with you. the thing that shakes me the most is the politicization of the supreme court and some of the decisions were made. i would look at this decision. this is good for women. this is at least a move in the right direction. joe biden would see it that way certainly donald trump, of probably see it to be able to say he's not extreme, but that's baked in. we know he's extreme we know these folks are going after ivf. we know they're going after contraceptive so i don't think it gains a much, but it's a very valid question. and just to be, unfortunately, it's one that i think is probably legitimate at this time, but i think joe biden is the way many of us are viewing it. this is good for women and that's the right decision. >> all right. governor wallace, thank you so much. we appreciate your time. obviously, a big day tomorrow that we're all going to be tuning in for thank you. >> and ahead there will be no live audience. the mics will be muted while the other candidate is speaking. we're going to talk to a debate coach about the format i'm tomorrow night cnn presidential debate, and which candidate he thinks 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in america tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. closed-door trial is beginning for american journalist evan gershkovich. he appeared then a russian courtroom's glass cage today with his head recently shaved he's accused of spying for the cia, something that the u.s. government has employer, the wall street journal and gershkovich himself have vehemently denied russia has provided no evidence against him while keeping him in prison for more than a year so far, joining us now is joshua yadda. he's a friend of evan gershkovich and joshua. i wonder how you are receiving these new images, what your impressions are, of how evan is holding up the emotions really are similar to the ones that evans, friends and colleagues have been feeling for the past year-and-a-half ever since she was arrested, continued shock. >> this is how happening outrage at the absurdity and injustice of it. all of our friend being effectively held hostage on charges that are laughably false to anyone that knows me i didn't know really the work of a foreign correspondent like kevin abroad, mixed with a hope that we can get him home as soon as possible that that we're able to find some resolution to this wherever comes home a place he should be have been from the very beginning but now that this case is advanced to the point of this trial, which i'm tempted to put in air quotes because this is less a legal proceeding than political show trial conducted for other motives. but nonetheless, the real emotion is one that i'm hoping that evan can make his way home soon and in the meantime, continues to be strong and good spirits and in good health, which amazingly after a year-and-a-half in russian custody, he seems to have maintained and he's been in a small i'll cell and moscow, but he was moved for the trial and i'm wondering if you have any idea of what is living conditions are like now and where he's being kept now? now i don't your rights noting that he had been held in the form of a prison in moscow, which is known soon as the house prison or the detention facility under the control of the fsb, russia's main security you can see and the 4 to was known for its difficult conditions in terms of isolation sensory you've deprivation in terms of not really being exposed to other people or outside and it's a very tightly controlled environment. >> he's been moved to yekaterinburg, the site of his trial let us now ongoing to a detention facility there. it's also knew that we don't really know much about this new facility in contravene berg, but at the end of the today, as i mentioned in my remarks a minute ago, wherever evans being held, whatever russian jl or detention facility has custody or evan it's a place where he shouldn't be because these charges against him are false. and he's being held as a hostage and as such, he should be released so i hope that the conditions and the ketuvim berg aren't are no worse than that, perhaps even evin find some relief psychological, if not physically as a goal. but we don't know much more beyond that. >> i'm wondering what you think about there not being reporters allowed in the courtroom during the trial itself. how concerned are you about? transparency as this process unfolds, as you described it, a trial in air quotes well, it's not surprising that the court or the trial is being conducted in secrecy. that's very convenient. to label the charges of the evidence secret when there is no evidence or the evidence if it were to be made public, would be understood to be so clearly flimsy, if not false, as two get a warrant, all sorts of doubt, if not ridicule about the process. so it's very convenient to declare the matter top secrets, not let journalists in that allows the judge judge, the prosecutors, the fsb, to conduct the trial and secret without having to reveal this evidence are open themselves up to any scrutiny or criticism and that tends, i'm not surprised. it is, of course, worrying and it only deepened to the outrage that our friend is not only being held hostage, but he's being held hostage without him his hostage takers really having to explain themselves, and i find that very frustrating and angering but like i said, not surprising because i know evans, friends, colleagues know that there really isn't anything to these charges and so to expose them to the kind of daylight, the kind of investigation that evan himself as a professional journalists carries out. i think they know that that wouldn't reflect well on them. and so since they have total control over this process you're just to make it secret joshua yahya, we have to leave the conversation there. >> we appreciate you sharing some of your afternoon with us thank you still ahead. our next guest is a debate coach and he says that president biden has to avoid just one thing during tomorrow night's debate. what it is when we come back why choose a sleep numbers smart bad? >> can it keep me warm when i'm cold wait. >> no, i'm always hot. sleep number 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one have mesothelial will send you a free book to answer questions you may have call now and we'll come to you 808 to 14000 as we draw closer to tomorrow night's cnn debate, we know that president biden is taking the more formal, traditional approach to preparing, holding mock debates at camp david with his personal attorney, bob bauer standing in for former president trump, and former president trump's camp though, has tried to downplay his need to prepare, though we are told his team is fully aware of his first debate against joe biden back in 2020, where he constantly interrupted prompting a fed up biden to say will you shut up, man, i want to talk more now about this with todd graham. he's a professor of debate at southern illinois university all right todd, so according to polls, when you look at the issues here and how these candidates stack up, biden is seen as weaker on the economy, the border and crime compared to trump, even though he does have some decent trends and statistics that he can certainly 0.2, but people just really aren't feeling it when it comes to those issues. so how should he deal with that in this debate i think one of the things is he's having trouble highlighting his accomplishments, though, if there's some way that he can make that short and to the point when he answers the questions, i think that would be excellent. >> one of biden's problems in debates from the last cycle is that he would talk about something that came up previously but debate when he was asked to particular question. and then at the end, he would get around to that given question he was being asked and i think you need to do the reverse of that because he can tout some of his accomplishments if he answers the question first by saying, i got this past or i got the infrastructure past, et cetera. so i think that's one way, but in general, a lot of the debates or it's just to feel you have to come out and you have to see him. and yet people have to see biden maybe for the first time in awhile and they have to feel like, yeah, he can be president. he's got to be energetic and he's got to be on point does he need to confront the issue of age? >> does he need to have one of those moments like we saw with reagan and mondale in their second i really don't think so. i don't think he needs to do that. what i think he needs to is put up. i think he needs to show us through his answers that he's ready to go. i think that's the only way you can have one good line that can take away four years of the countervailing narrative on the other side of the aisle. when reagan at that line slip up or when they thought he did in the first debate, they had that line prepared for it and the second debate. but there really wasn't everyone out there talking about how he had been slipping as much as we've heard about biden's still held. biden counters that as he shows a lot of energy and the answers, the questions on point, that's all he has to do. and then that narrative goes away pump is not really preparing formally, he is sort of untraditional candidate. >> he does seem aware though of the temperament issue that he had in the first debate compared to the second debate with joe biden in the last cycle, what do you think about what you've learned about his approach to this go round so while i think the two things, jill biden need to do to counter what is the narrative against him or to have energy and to answer the questions directly. >> i think donald trump's two problems in these debates are that key? and unfortunately, utilize excessively. daniel bill from cnn called second debate, the one he was common last year, an avalanche or four years ago, an avalanche of lies. so we have to come down on the hyperbole and allies. and like you said, he's got to be more calming. one of the things trump likes to do is use humor, but without an audience, their humor can backfire. and so if he starts to use schumer that a little bit more just security in nature or a little mean in nature without an audience that they're laughing, it can come across as rude. and unfortunately that's something that you'll need to work on, is the interrupting and the route yeah. that's interesting. okay. the mics are muted, right? we should note this, that if one candidate is speaking it's not that the other candidate can't talk. i suppose but we won't be able to hear them or they won't be audible as they were in the first debate in the last cycle what do you think the effect is going to be on the debate of this i think it's got to be an improvement. >> we did have muted microphones in their second debate last year, and i think everybody needs to remember we didn't have to have these rules before trump. none of these were rules for trump. but the muted microphone can certainly work as it did last hyman help out. there will be some things we miss obviously because the mics are on or off, et cetera my worry is that one of the two debaters will figure out, oh, my mic muted, but i can still talk and what happens. i've watched tons of public debates where the person speaking gets interrupted by someone on the other side, their opponent, et cetera. and while we in the audience and the tv audience, we can't hear the opponents. we see the person speaking begin to stumble and flomax over their words. and if trump this, it wants to continue interrupting biden. it might give an impression that biden, is stumbling and can't get through a speech because we can't hear trump or see him interrupting yeah. i was wondering the very same thing, todd, so i'm glad that you bring it up. we'll have to see how that is dealt with todd graham. great. to get your perspective on this ahead of this big night. thank you so much. >> absolutely and be sure to tune in tomorrow night at nine for the cnn presidential debate will have special coverage all day live from atlanta and ahead. >> how disagreements between scientists and fishermen about the impact of sharks is 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we go down, we're reached the bottom of the line is 30 feet. and then we'll know right in the middle of the sat and as we settle into position christina's manado spots familiar faces but we have hook we have a half-baked we have vulcan, we have crook we have floppy three child and pet the shark head. same as if you will be shaking somebody's hand relax all right. gentle breathing. don't trying to do too much way for the shark to come in. you're going to reach out and pat wow joining us now as paul to gelder, a shirt conservationist, also a shark attack survivor and discovery shark week expert thank you so much for being with us and i mean, as i just mentioned, you have this incredibly unique perspective. i think a lot of people would say shark attack survivor who is also a conservationist and an outspoken one at that, explain that to us well, i really feel like after my shock attack it was a nice transfer from my military service as an able and soldier at an iv bomb disposal, dive off. >> and i figured it instead of standing up for people that can't stand up for themselves. now, understanding the plight of shocks, i have a voice. they can speak up for an animal that doesn't have one itself. and i figure that's a pretty powerful thing to have an may myself, having lost two limbs to a shock, can learn to forgive and understand the actual reason that we need shock in these ecological environments, then surely everyone else can as well paul, it's great to chat with you. >> i have enjoyed your work for a long time. i'm curious what you think about this sort of conflict with fishermen talking about depredation here in us waters saying that a shorts are making it more difficult for them to earn a living because they're going head-to-head with conservationists who were saying that populations are being depleted at an unsustainable rate yeah, well, the sign says that two. >> and you've got to look at the motivations of everyone involved take it from both sides of the story, and the shock fishermen, they have fun by go out there. it's their enjoyments that paste to go out there and torture these shocks and drag them around by the face with a big hook in it. that also i make a living off that as well as opposed to the conservation as some people like also in shock week that love these shocks that see how important they are want to protect them. and also the fact that these shocks after a study have been designated as more valuable, alive than dead times more valuable just through eco-tourism. these animals have a right to exist in our oceans and the thing that a lot of people don't understand, especially these fishermen, they shocks a hugely migratory species so that i belong to one state, that infant belong to one country. some of these shocks traveled from astray eleia to hawaii, from florida to the bahamas. and so you effectively removing them from both countries and they have no safe place to go how do you dispel the negative perceptions of sharks by using the truth this the easiest way we're not making up their fantastical stories. >> there's no fisherman stories here, and we show and prove it through shows like shark week, we get it out there, we dive with these beautiful animals without a cage and boras un and saw, you went and did it with some of my friends. i'm sure your perspective has changed as well. just seeing them in the natural environment, these shocks, they'll have names. they like family to some of these people. and that is a truly remarkable thing to be able to achieve two show people the reality behind these shocks instead of the normal media hysteria of the monsters lurking in the ocean waiting to your children? >> they are incredible animals and i suggest that if anyone out there is inclined to do it, you go with a reputable outfit and enjoy yourself. it really is on inspiring paul the gelder. thanks so much for joining us thank you so much for having me. of course, you can watch deep dive the sharp wars this 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when we're recruiting women candidates to run for congress one of the first questions is, have you played so have you played softball and chalet war cabinet? oh, and i have been friends, certainly because of softball. and so we worked really well together on the senate floor. i love it too, because they get to meet house members, both dams and republicans. we get a lot of things done on a bi-cameral basis. it really helps us as legislators, but more than that, we've become friends. but i think it's a good night. we see the gathering crowds or is more and more people there's more families. it's a realization that we all play together against the press, but also that we're fighting for something bigger than all the rest of us so that's obviously young survivors of cancer and there is a very special appearance there. >> you see, by our very own sara sidner, who just returned to work after a double mastectomy chemotherapy, and radiation treatments. she's actually going to be throwing out the the first pitch we are so excited that she's going to be at the game. >> that's amazing. i was actually chatting with her earlier and she said that she was a little bit nervous. she might mess it up and i'm like there's no way you're going to mess this up. >> i said i said as much tour because i said, listen, we're very enthusiastic about this softball, but it's not the best softball. it's more about the cause and what's really the best is the camaraderie, the crash. >> and the camaraderie comes first well, there's competition. it gets heated up there, kind of hilariously intense. and there is, like i said, a lot of trash talk. i don't know. thk