good to see you. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we're following breaking. is a red sea showdown involving an american warship. missiles, drone attacks launched by an iranian-backed group. we're gonna tell you what happened here. it's committed forces expand their offensive south. an attack on the area that gaza residents were told to go to to be safe. the biden administration, meanwhile, pushing israel publicly to do more to protect civilians. >> as israel defense itself, it matters how. the united states is unequivocal, international humanitarian law must be respected. too many innocent palestinians have been killed. >> the white house also making clear today that they had no advanced warning of the hamas attack after hearing that they had the blueprint for the october 7th plan a year before it happened. we're also following other news, that donald trump is spinning himself as the defender of democracy, despite trying to overturn an election. the fallout from elon musk's profane message to advertisers over his antisemitic posts, that's coming up later this hour as well. we want to start with that red c showdown involving a u.s. warship that shut down drones and responded to missile attacks on commercial ships launched by a iranian-backed group. i want to bring in nbc's erin at the white house, and retired senator -- and now and nbc political analyst. artists off. how, what have we learned about this unfolded? >> this pentagon team has been able to confirm from due to events officials that the uss carney destroyed a drone today. this happened in the southern part of the red sea. as we understand, the drone was headed towards the ship at the same time that it saw a ballistic missile fired at a commercial, ship bushkill to unity explore. now this responded to that ships distress call that supported the defense officials, they had to shoot down a second drone that was heading towards the two ships at that time. this all apparently happened over the course of several hours today. the official here saying that multiple commercial ships were attacked by yemen-based missiles today. for their, part the, our hearing from them, they put out a video today saying that it's the armed forces targeted but they call two israeli ships. the unity explore, and another ship called the number nine. targeting them with a missile and drone, according to them after the ships rejected warnings by the navy. now they went on to say that they will continue to take these sorts of actions to prevent israeli ships, as a playable, them from operating in that area, until israel stops the insults and gaza. the uss carney, we should, now it is part of the gerald ford aircraft carrier strike group that was sent to the mediterranean sea after the hamas attack in israel. the president has said that these fighter groups out there as a deterrent to keep other nations and rubble groups from getting involved in the fighting in gaza. by our count, today is the third time they shot down a drone, a drone that, since october 7th. we should note too, there were no injuries today, no damage shad their u.s. ships. >> okay, i thank you, aaron, appreciated. general, if you, will pick up on where aaron left. off your reaction to what we're hearing, and do you see this as any sort of escalation? or is this apropos to what we're dealing with right down the middle east? >>, yeah good to be with you, yasmin. i see this as continued acts by the houthis to provoke the united states. as you know, there have been a couple of these incidents in the red sea. where they say they need to fire holistic missiles, or they use uavs to go after commercial lanes four and five, fire towards u.s. ships. what i'm really concerned about is the commercial shipping lanes. approximately 10% of the world's commercial shipping goes through the red sea. as they continue to threaten those shipping lanes, obviously, that's going to put a lot of stress on u.s. ships. not only going through the red sea, but also through the gulf of aden. and,, perhaps through the strait of hormuz, who we have about 5%, or, excuse, me a fifth of the world's oil goes through that particular straight. >> so we know who these, are iranian-backed. the u.s. ship shot down an iranian drone, in the uss eisenhower did as well. are you little worried that there could be an accidental escalation through these proxies? >> yes, i am worried about it. what i will tell you, i think the u.s., we have responded extremely well, because at the end of the, day the other thing that they are trying to do is promotes the expansion of this war to the u.s.. we must remember that the houthis slogan's death to israel, death to the u.s.. they're going to continue to try taupe vocalists. this is a response that's been measured by not only u.s. central commands, but the -- both have done a good job responding in a measured way. not to bring the u.s. into this fight. >> what's the calculation and to help for these proxies will go? the iranian government has said repeatedly they don't wish to get involved in an expanded conflict. we know they're acting through their proxies. when they talk about expanded conflict, or no, they meet direct conflict between u.s. and iran. the united states has warned iran about getting involved in an expanded, conflict especially through their powers with hezbollah. the united states does not want to get involved in an extended conflict. how much, how much focus has put on these proxies considering how far iran will go to back them? >> i think you have to put a lot of focus on proxies, because at the end of the day, iran is going to operate through them in order to deny that they had to do anything that has to do with provocations. so whether it be hezbollah, or the houthis, or whether it be the jihadi screw coming out of the west bank, we have to ensure that we are keeping an eye on them and making sure that we are deterring in and defending u.s. interests in the region. so you have to keep a good eye on iranian proxies, not just iran. >> retired general, jeff tweety, is always nice to speak with you. we're keeping a close eye on gaza fischel. u.s. officials are continuing to put pressure on israel to protect civilians as the idf on barge the south today. i want to bring in nbc news correspondent on the ground in tel aviv for. us david, can you walk us through what has happened in the last 24 hours since you and i spoke? and the residents in the cell specifically, which is beginning to be bombed now in the second wave of the israeli offensive, a place in which gazans, palestinians, they fled to safety. >> right. yasmin. hamas authorities in the gaza strip say that 316 people have died just in the last 24 hours. they say the numbers might actually must shire because many are still trapped in the rubble. people who are on the ground in gaza say that these new strikes, in this large number of deaths is on top of an already catastrophic humanitarian situation, where as you pointed, out a lot of people there were already displaced from places in the north. they say they are living in crowded conditions with no access to clean water. non functioning health systems. the head of the world health organization put out a statement today, four, example that the personal had visited hospital in the south just yesterday, and described it as being more than three times over capacity. where people were being treated on the ground screaming. the, hamas authorities in charge the gaza strip say that the majority of the casualties and this renewed roundup on main are civilians. the idf says that it is taking all necessary precautions to avoid killing civilians, and that, and it blames the civilian deaths on hamas. yasmin. >> i mentioned the pressure from the united states, and you said the idf is taking the necessary precautions amidst all of this. and the images that are coming, out the civilian deaths that we have heard, of the number you just mentioned. what are u.s. officials saying for their vote what's happening in the south now? >> right, so on the one, hand u.s. officials say that they are putting pressure on israel to mitigate civilian casualties, on the, other u.s. officials are saying that they are, that israel is receptive, to amenable to this pressure. that they are essentially already doing. that i want to play a clip, for example, from national security council spokesperson, john kirby, from earlier on meet the press. specifically about this evacuation. orders take a listen. >> they have actually given civilians and gaza a list, a map. it's online. a list of areas where they can go to be more safe. there are not too many modern military is in advance of conducting operations that would actually do that. they are making an effort to at least inform the civilian population about where to go and where to avoid. >> yasmin, a lot of people in gaza, and also palestinians and general, say that these continuous displacements, what people and bertrim place to the other, and then another, are feeding and underlying fear that this military campaign will lead, eventual, e to the forced displacement of large portions of the population in the gaza strip out of the gaza strip. especially because they're being pushed south towards that egyptian border. i should say the netanyahu government does not publicly state that that is its intention. the egyptian government is very strenuously opposed to the idea of receiving large numbers of refugees from gaza. the fear is widespread enough, just yesterday, vice president kamala harris, after meeting with the egyptian president, said that the u.s. would not allow the force relocation of gazans out of the gaza strip. yasmin. >> all, right thank you, david. appreciate. it coming, up everyone. and 60, seconds after two losses for donald trump on the issue this week, the idea of presidential immunity may ultimately be decided by the supreme court. later this, hour the ultimate. spin trump now trying to sell himself as a defender of democracy. we'll be right back. democracy. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. >>it cleans better, and doesn't leave behind irritating residues. and it's gentle on her skin. tide free & gentle is epa safer choice certified. it's got to be tide. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire welcome. back to the former presidenis expected to appeal his latest ck legal loess he continues to attempt to delay and dera t cases that are against. them first, to have this.c. court rejecting trump's claims of presidential immunity, and ruling that he could be sued for inciting the insurrection. hours, later judged to, again rejected trump's motion to dismiss criminal charges, also based on a claim of the presidential immunity. writing this, defendants for your service as commander-in-chief did not bestow on him the divine right of kings to evade the criminal accountability that governs as fellow citizens. we want to bring in criminal offense to attorney. can you please react to the statements i just read from judge chunk and, and specifically the, verbiage the phrases that were used in that statements? the word ken and the message is trng to get across. >> this opinion on the, issue she delved into the issue, what the framers intended when they came up with the idea of presidential immunity. she dealt with an issue that i thought was a fascinating and creative arguments by the trump defense team. it was essentially that if somebody is impeached, then convicted, only then can be criminally prosecuted. with the constitution says convicted,, therefore their logic was that if you're acquitted at impeachment, it's a kind of immunity going forward. she dealt with that argument, dismiss set. i didn't think it was one that would, when i thought it was creative. why do you think the constitution benefits with every capillary of it was litigated. this is a good thing for the constitution. that there is a decision on this, which arguably may never happen again. >> so there are, there is some talk that this is going to be elevated all the way to the supreme court amongst kind of what we're seeing from the former president. his attorneys as, well these appeals. with, that the, court the trials are also going to be the latest. what are your expectations as to how this could go, if in fact it does reach -- and you have a trump friendly supreme court. >> i've said it before on time, may 2020, five at least in the georgia case, that is when you are first witness will get sworn in. i've said enough times, you can save the, tape i'm sure we'll come back to haunt, me but on the federal, cases you can always count on courts moving somewhat quickly. i still think that's 2020, for late 2024 might be a little optimistic. i, mean this is in terms of delay, it is something that we knew was going to happen because these are rare, new constitutions that are likely to go to the supreme court, and yes this is a conservative leaning supreme court, on textual issues, which i think trump's defense team is trying to frame their issues as constitutional text issues. you can make the case that whatever happens at the district, court the impala court, it is a brand-new game because the supreme court will look at those legal issues day over. this is our case is a first impression because like i, said we've never had this before. >> okay, so, let's talk georgia for a moment. i was watching the former presidents attorneys argue in the fulton county courtroom on friday, essentially, i believe the argument they were making was, listen, the former president cannot be tried in the fall leading up to the election if in fact he owns the nomination because that would be seen as extreme election interference. they go far as to say, and by the way, if he wins reelection, he cannot be tried on this until after the service warriors as president. how do you see that playing out especially with the judge in the case. on the first issue, the defense team is making the record. and they will raise that at the appellate court level. but when it comes to planning trial judges have considerable authority to make their own calendar. so, you can expect that the judge whatever they decide, they have the discretion to decide that. but on the second issue, can trump be prosecuted in state court when he is elected? excuse me, really, when he is inaugurated. when he becomes president. i think the answer there is no. i think trump's defense team is correct on that point. the supremacy clause prevents state and local authorities from essentially interfering. so, here is how i think it would work. i think that donald trump's prosecution in state courts would go on pause the moment he is in the white house. and they would wait. now, whether the statute of limitations runs through that time, probably not. again, a case of first impression. we don't know. but the minute he is out and the prosecution can begin, you know, similarly, or relatedly, if he was prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned, and then elected and inoculated, i believe the prison cell doors must open the day he is inaugurated under the constitution. and again, for years go by and then, as soon as it's over, he is back in prison. i do think the defense team is right. but reasonable minds may disagree with me and supreme court justices may disagree with me. reasonable minds often do disagree with. you >> as you, know yasmin. >> danny cheval, as it's always unbelievable to me that we're even talking about. this >> then. as legal term, bananas. >> coming, up to spite the former presidents multiple legal challenges, he is proclaiming himself a defender of democracy. plus, we are continuing to follow the latest in the red sea after the pentagon reported that a u.s. warship shot down a drone and responded to missile attacks. first off, a terrifying scene steps from the eiffel tower. the latest developments in paris as a tourist is stabbed to death. we'll be right back. abbe to death we'll be right back. we'll be right back. >> ♪♪ [stomach noises] gas... or abdominal discomfort... help stop the frustration and start taking align every day. align probiotic was specifically designed by gastroenterologists to help relieve your occasional digestive upsets. so you can enjoy life. when you feel the signs, it's time to try align. all right, turning to los angeles, where police have made an arrest in the murders of three homeless men this week. and shockingly, jared joseph powell was already in custody in a separate murder of a county employee early on in the week. police said the 33 year old car matched the one seen driven by the suspect and a handgun found inside that car, also matching the weapon used to shoot the men. a motive has not yet been established. over to paris where french police are investigating a brutal knife and hammer attack that left one german tourists dead and two others injured. the attack happened against the backdrop of war between israel and hamas. as witnesses say, the suspect said he was, quote, tired of seeing muslims killed. nbc's josh lederman is following the story for us and joining us now. josh, good to talk to you. what more can you tell us about this attack and how police were able to stop the suspect? >> reporter: well, yasmin, this attack has once again left france staring down the threat of terror after really a string of incidents over the last several years. authorities say that this suspect who is in his mid twenties, was born in france, stabbed this german tourist just steps from the eiffel tower. he stabbed another woman. the man died. again, he ran over a bridge and hit two other people with a hammer who were both injured. police responded very quickly and they were able to locate him. and they teased him and they brought him to custody where the french interior minister said that after being apprehended, the suspect told police that he was upset about the situation in gaza and in afghanistan. they said that he called friends and accomplice of israel. and we know that french president macron has now said that this is in his view a terror attack and it will be investigated as such. we know that this comes not only as, well yasmin, tourists are flocking to paris out of the christmas holidays. but of course, just about eight months before we are expecting hundreds of thousands of people to go to paris for those olympics that would be held there. so, this is really a significant level of concern any country that was already on its highest level of national security alert. it was elevated to that highest level back in october after another attack in northern france where an attacker stabbed to death a teacher. authorities say that suspect had been linked to's extremism. and they also say the suspect only attacked last night had been previously known to authorities, both because he has mental illness and also because of his placement on a watchlist for potential terrorism, they say, that's all part of what's being investigated as france tries to reckon with what took place last night in paris. >> all right, josh, thank you. appreciate it. coming up, everybody, a bold claim from desantis ahead of the iowa caucus. and trump trying out a new hard to take seriously tactic in iowa, painting himself as the defender of democracy. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ tionwide. 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>> let's talk about how the former president is actually framing himself now has a defender of democracy. from president biden, what are voters saying about that? >> reporter: yasmin, that's absolutely right. for months now, we have heard president biden call former president trump a threat to democracy. and on saturday, donald trump laid the who know reverse card, leveling that same criticism to president biden. but the truth of that matter is from the conversations i have been having with voters, it doesn't really matter what trump's messaging is. they are steadfast. they are unwavering. they are behind him. and they have been for a long time. i want you to take a listen to one of the conversations i had with a trump supporter is today. >> when where you're like that's what i am caucusing for -- always. never any doubt -- >> never, he has done more for our country than any other president in my lifetime. >> reporter: and the conventional wisdom here in iowa is that voters make up their mind around the holiday season. and if you go to a desantis, haley, ramaswamy event, that is what voters will tell you. they will tell you, and still making up my mind, but i am considering other candidates. and considering former president trump. but but for former president donald trump, the people at his rallies for a very long time have had no doubts about who they are caucusing for. they are behind the former president and that's why right now, 43 days away from the iowa caucus, it feels like it's donald trump's to lose. yasmin? >> alexchabot, thank you. appreciate it. so, is the possibility of another trump presidency putting the u.s. on a direct path to dictatorship? this isa searing question that is examined in a washington post opinion piece, with the headne, a trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. we should stop pretending. columnist robert kagan writes this, let's stop the wishful thinking and face the stark reality. there was a clear path to dictatorship in the united states, and it is getting shorter every day. i want to bring in rick wilson, former gop strategist, cofounder of the lincoln project and author of running against the devil, a plot to save america from trump and democrats from themselves. rick, as always, it's a pleasure. do you share, and i feel like i know the answer to this question, do you share the same bleak vision that was laid out in that washington post article? >> robert hagan is a sunny optimist. i believe that what trump is saying is meaningful. i believe that what trump is adhering, adherence, followers, and millions who go to the government if he is reelected have in mind is much darker than any of what trump is saying. there's a whole movement on the all right and the radical reactionary right to essentially do what they call the red seas are, where they want to replace a democratic elected president in a constitutional republican with what is essentially an authoritarian. and this appeals to trump psychologically. it appeals to his followers politically because they recognize they are a minority in the country. but then, they want to achieve things that are outside of the mainstream of the law, the constitution, prriy. politica enemies, et cetera. it's definitely something i am concerned about. >> liz cheney is echoing the sentiment as well, telling the huffington post, quote unquote, the essentially is sleepwalking i should say into dictatorship. and that he has already told us what he will do if he gets back into the white house. what would a trump 2.0 look like? >> look, i think what we are seeing is that we have to -- there's a joke about you have to take trump seriously but not literally. actually, you have to take him literally as well. they are talking about jailing political opponents. they are talking about shutting down media outlets like your net worth. they are talking about imprisoning reporters, inquisitor imprisoning his political opponents, reporting 10 million people without due process. they have a very dark vision for this country. it is one that, again, i believe is not locker room talk or political smack talk, this is what he truly intense. even darker, the people around him, stephen miller, steve bannon, et cetera, they are building plans to execute on this. they are not taking this lightly. they are not pretending that this is some sort of a trumpian just. they believe it's a possibility and for them, it is a politically desirable outcome. so, liz cheney is correct as typically is correct, we are sleepwalking towards this. too many people are still treating this as an ordinary election or it was between republicans, democrats, conservatives, when in fact it is a twist between a constitutional republic and donald trump. >> do you think liz cheney should run, rick? >> i think the problem for liz right now is she would have probably drawn more votes out of the center that joe biden will actually need to get. and she will for the republican party. the sad part about her journey and the journey of many of us on the traditional center-right republicanism that believe in the constitution and the rule of law first, that's gonna band in. we are not in the flavor anymore in what calls himself the gop today. we all get it. and that's why i think she can be a very powerful and persuasive voice with her book and by being out there in the course of this election cycle where she showed people with this to jewel conservatism that they are not alone, and that donald trump does not represent any of the values they were raised with or believed in until, you know, 2016. >> who is your audience? who is liz cheney's audience when making these declarations, saying the u.s. is walking into a dictatorship? >> between seven, 11% of the republican party are anti trump. they are not going to vote for donald trump. they can be persuaded to vote for biden or they can be persuaded to stay home. i will take either outcome at this point as long as they're not republicans casting a vote for trump. there's a larger cohort inside the party that we turned in the lincoln project successfully in 2020 and 2022. and they are folks who are more educated, more affluent. they tend to be independent leaning. they tend to be female. they tend to be in wealthier suburban areas. we don't need to win tens of millions of them. we need enough of them in the key electoral college states to win. it's gonna be a very close election so this very small number on paper, also a small number, but in the electoral college calculus, it's incredibly consequential. so those are the kind of things we are all talking about right now. they tend to be more traditional, folks who have fought through what being a limited government conservative means, what being a constitutional actually means, not the sort of clown card, fox news donald trump version of it. >> it can be the difference between who wins here and who loses even if it's a small number. rick wilson, as always, thank you. coming, up tomorrow, by the way, former congresswoman liz cheney joins rachel maddow to discuss the state of the gop and the threat trump poses to democracy. watch rachel's show tomorrow night, nine pm eastern, right here on msnbc. after the, break the latest on the breaking news in the pentagon. the u.s. warship shooting down to houthi drones in the red sea. plus continuing fallout today from this week's bombshell revelations that israel ignored warnings about the october 7th hamas attack for up to one year. mark joins me next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ why didn't we do this last year? 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(announcer) change your life at golo.com. that's golo.com. we are continuing to follow that breaking story out of the middle east. the pentagon confirming that uss carney shot down to houthi drones after multiple commercial vessels were attacked in the red sea today. this is all taking place over several hours with one u.s. official telling us here at nbc thate was no injuries or damage to u.s. vessels. also happeng today, u.s. officis w reacting to that bombshell report from nbc news and the new york times, which indicate that israel dismissed intelligence reports raising the alarm about a potential hamas terror attack for up to a year. he was national security coordinator for strategic co-coach nation john kirby this morning on meet the press. >> the intelligence community has indicated that they did not have access to this document. >> should they have given how closely u.s. and israeli intelligence officials coordinate or are supposed to coordinate? >> intelligence is a mosaic. sometimes, you know, you can fashion things together and get a pretty good picture. other times, there is pieces of the puzzle that are missing. >> joining me, former cia, who is now an msnbc national security and intelligence analyst. mark, thanks for joining us on this. appreciate it. what is your reaction to what kirby said? >> well, i was smiling, listening to kirby. you know, he is extremely effective in the communications around. but i think what you wanted to say was, yes, of course israel should have's shared this with us. you know, i worked in the middle east for many years. i have been involved with exchanges with the israelis. and this is the kind of thing which, you know, both on the operation, analytics side, you share pieces of raw intelligence at times. you let each sides analyst kind of make their assessments and in this case, israel did not. and i think it's pretty alarming, you know, why does it matter for the united states? not only are we kind of average of a regional war, but don't forget, 30 americans were killed, over 30 americans, ten americans were taken hostage. and so, i think there are some pretty frank discussions going on between the two sides, the u.s. and the israeli intelligence committees. they should have shared this with uso ubt. >> the question about whether or not the u.s. intelligence agencies is actually -- because you pointed something on that i want you to explain to folks. you said my sense is perhaps no as this had been discounted by israeli seniors. it's a fair question to ask both sides. and if the answer was no, it is a serious price that we paid for seeding our collect to the israelis. can you talk to us about what you meant by ceding our collect to the israelis and the agreements we have when it comes to intelligence exchanges? >> well, yasmin, in 1996, and the counter cia counterterrorism center, i actually worked in an operational rash that was dedicated to hamas. that branch doesn't exist anymore because, you know, after 9/11, when our focus turned to al-qaeda, and of course this general push where the u.s. has put counterterrorism on the backburner, this shift to asia, our priorities and resources changed. and what we did with israel, it certainly appears that we said, okay, you are responsible for collection. you will do all the intelligence gathering when it comes to hamas. we have other things to do. israel is a reliable ally. while you understand why we made that decision, the decision of course turns out to be one that was flawed because we did not have our own collection. so i think, you know, there is some lessons to be learned here as well, in the future, you can never give up your own ability to collect. you can't just rely even on trusted allies, and that's what i was alluding to in that posting. >> i want to talk about what's happening on the ground in israel, gaza specifically, and this move to the south. we know the israelis have asked palestinians in gaza to move to the south. now, the south is being bombed. and i want to bring up this map that was published by the israeli military online, showing that 25% of gaza's land area has fact been designated for evacuation. if you have that math, guys, i'd love to bring it up. it's somewhat confusing the way in which this map is laid out. do you feel as if enough is beg done to minimize civilian sualties in gaza, especially as they go and move towards the jam-packed south, whe palestinians are trying to seek safety and refuge? >> yasmin, two key points of friction now, they like between u.s. and israel. one is the u.s. requested to israel to minimize civilian casualties. and the second, it has to do with aid coming in. and i think on the latter, israel is now allowing the trucks in. but on the former, i think there's still some concerns. you know, this is israel's response, putting together this interactive map which, to me, was pretty confusing. i'm not sure how tens of thousands or more of displaced palestinians, or palestinians, coming from the north or even in the south now are goin see this and understand it. making an attempt.hey are i just don't know if it's gonna have the right kind of effect. and, look, you know, what has to happen for, you know, u.s. support to continue, and you saw the statements from the president, from the secretary of defense, secretary of state, israel has to take better care of it. they have to adjust their tactics. this seems to be an attempt to do so but i'm not sure it's gonna be enough. and what matters is that on the ground, the degree of civilian casualties, and over the last several days, i think we have seen some pretty, pretty severe israeli airstrikes. this remains to be seen if they have done enough. and it is something that clearly is on the mind of president biden. >> do you think there should be a red line for u.s. support when it comes to israel, as the assault continues and gaza? >> i think the most effective thing to do is these discussions have to take place behind the scenes. and i think that they are. you know, president biden is, you know, and it's pretty clear to many that he is probably the most pro israel president in u.s. history. he is believing in israel's right to defend itself, go after hamas. when it comes to tactics, i think there's certainly some questions. it's a matter of, you know, what is most effective? something said in public, or something said behind the scenes? i think right now, they prefer to go behind the scenes. but, yasmin, we will see, it will be unprecedented to see a break in the u.s. israeli relationship. but it is relevant change its tactics, i think that is something that should be kind of looked at down the road. >> polymeropoulos, as always, thank you, sir. appreciate it. coming up on our next hour, congressman on a possible vote to the impeachment process for president biden, even as his son hunter puts the house gop on the hot seat. up next, though, elon musk sends a profane message to advertisers even as x, formerly known as twitter, could be headed for bankruptcy. >> elon musk met with benjamin netanyahu this week and agree that israel must destroy hamas. and i think musk could destroy hamas almost instantly by becoming their ceo. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ so caramel swirl is always there for the taking. the subway series? 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