it contributes to the looming specter of -- if there is a second trump presidency. former peach manager joins me live to discuss the speaker dubbed mega mike. impeachment, despite having no concrete evidence to make their case, speaker mike johnson will have the house vote this week to begin an impeachment inquiry into president biden. white house spokesperson, ian sams, is here with the administration's response. and, listen up biden, the new chair of the democratic governors association. minnesota governor, tim walz, tells me why he thinks it's time for the biden campaign to be old. i'm jonathan kaye part, this is the sunday show. >> the rising alarm over the dangers of a second trump administration is not just about the twice impeached, four times indicted on 91 counts, disgraced former presidents. they're also about the long list of enablers willing to help him. people like sun to flee congressman, kevin mccarthy. in his first television interview since announcing that he will retire from congress at the end of the year, mccarthy, the first house speaker ever ousted from the job, pledged his support to trump in 2024, and hinted at his willingness to serve in a maga cabinet. perhaps trump's most important ally is that man. he succeeded mccarthy. house speaker, mike johnson, of louisiana. the man trump dubbed magic mike. he is a key architect of republican-led efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. this week, johnson says he plans to move forward with a vote to authorize a formal impeachment inquiry against president biden. this is despite there been zero evidence that the president committed any crime. the speaker seems to be trying to rewrite the history of january 6th by releasing more footage of the capitol attack. only after he protects those caught on tape. >> we want transparency. we should demand it. the american people do. we trust, house republicans, trust the american people to draw their own conclusions. they should not be dictated by some narrative. we have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in the events of that day, because we don't want them to be retaliated against. and to be charged by the doj. >> joining me now, colorado congressman, joe neguse, chair of the democratic policy and communications committee. former manager for trump's second impeachment, and author of courage in the peoples house. congressman a goose, as always, thank you for coming to the sunday show. why is speaker johnson trying to rewrite the history of january six? >> good morning, it's good to be with you. we've known from day one that this speaker is sycophants of donald trump. he comes from the extreme maga win of his party. it isn't surprising that the actions that he has taken as speaker during the early tenure here, the early part of his tenure, a speaker, have been consistent with what the president trump and the maga win of his party with demands. that includes, of course, this baseless impeachment inquiry that he apparently will call on the floor later this week. it includes the announcement that you made regarding the ball arena video footage, which i think is just deeply, deeply distressed sane, and problematic. to think that he would take this step and impede the work of law enforcement, the department of justices, they seem to hold accountable individuals who participated in that violent mob. to essentially disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. i think that would shock the conscious of most americans. again, it's an surprise and given his record, and the reality that he was one of the architects, or the architects of the baseless legal strategy that republicans pursued in an effort to keep donald trump nearly four years ago. >> as i mentioned, you were an impeachment manager in trump's second, right, the second impeachment. the results of january 6th. in your investigation, did mike johnson come up, his actions, that they come up? >> well, his actions came up more in the context of the proceedings in the house. that is to say, the electoral college certification itself. this is been well documented. of course, liz cheney and others have spoken eloquently about this. the reality is, he was one of the principal architects in the house of the strategy, to essentially deprive joe biden and the american people, of the valid electoral results in 2020. to try to subvert the will of the voters in 2020. that strategy was baseless, it failed, as you know, and unfortunately, it culminated in the attack on our nation's capital on january six. so, again, it's symptomatic of the extremism that has been tested sized within the republican party over the last several years. it should concern every american. >> you mentioned this in your first down sir, why is, and i want you to elaborate, why speaker johnson allowing to vote to authorize a baseless impeachment inquiry into president biden? especially when there is no concrete evidence. is this just a sock to the far right wing of the republican majority? >> you had asked the salient question, why? why pursue a baseless impeachments that the american people know has no evidentiary basis, and will be a waste of time? and my view, the reason is twofold. first, it is political retribution. as we've been discussing, and as the american people will know, several years ago, almost three years ago, now president trump incited a mob to ultimately suffered the peaceful transfer of power. he was rightfully impeached on a bipartisan basis for his conduct, and he has been focus, singularly, ever since, on political retribution. the sycophants in the united states congress have taken that same approach. so this impeachment is really political retribution. it's political revenge on behalf of president trump. the second reason is the republican party in the house are as devoid of any substantive policy ideas that would ultimately benefit the american people. they are not focused on trying to make the lives of the american people better, or easier. instead, they're very much focused on these political games. again, that's on surprise and given the track record of the last 11 months. as you will, no job at, then they tried to shut the government down twice. they tried to default on our national debt. the only thing of substance they've done 11 months is expel george santos. this took democratic votes to ultimately accomplish. it's a very, very deep contrast, and stark contrast with house democrats who have been focused on putting people over politics. lowering costs, building safer communities. i think that it's pretty clear that this is a effort to move away from the lack of any policy agenda on the part of the republicans in the house. >> you and i are out of time, but i have to touch on your comment about the impeachmen inquiry been a waste of time. we'll quickly, as you will, know there are two deadlines coming up. want to january, another in february. yes or no, will speaker johnson be able to get a deal done to avoid a government shutdown? >> you know, if past is prologue, i think it's unlikely. i'm certainly concerned about those outlets coming up in january. i think we would be far better served as a country if republicans who work with us, as house democrats, on ensuring that we fund the government and address some of the pressing needs and challenges of our time, rather than pursuing political theater at its worst, which is precisely what this impeachment is sure to become. >> congressman of colorado, thank you, as always, for coming to the sunday show. joining me now to continue this conversation, stuart stevens. senior visor to the lincoln project, an author of conspiracy to end america. five ways my old party is driving our democracy to autocracy. also, jennifer reuben. msnbc political analyst, opinion writer at the washington post, and author of resistance. how women save democracy from donald trump. and, christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university, an author of black ethnics. stuart, jennifer, christina, thank you all very much for coming back to the sunday show. stuart, your reaction to speaker johnson suggesting this week that there might be other facts about what happened on january 6th. >> yeah, i -- to the moon landing. there is a lot of stage, jonathan. this is just sort of absurdity that highlights the lack of any reason the republican party has to be in power now. there is no policy in the party, as congressman was saying. there is no reason that you say, why should i vote for republicans? except to defeat democrats. that is not really, that's not a policy, that is just a homeroom election. i think it shows a complete collapse of the party as a governing force in america. >> you know, jennifer, to stewarts point, speaker johnson january six comments, and his plans to proceed with an impeachment inquiry into president biden, seems to me a combination of two things. a manifestation of trump's iron grip on the republican party, but also, an example of, because of what johnson is doing, an example of trumpy the system, being a symptom and not the disease afflicting the gop. >> well the gop now is not a political party in any sense of the word. it's a cult. it's a cult following. the following is being done in service of a man who wants a dictatorship. finally, finally, the mainstream media has kind of clued into this. this is an example of what we can expect. they use governmental, borrow a phrase, they weaponized government, to get back at their enemies should disrupt the normal functioning of government. to cause chaos. that way, their guy can swoop in and take control. as he acknowledged, be a dictator for a day. when you're a dictator for a day, you don't go away. you keep going. so i think the american people, they have any doubt about what it's going to be like, should donald trump get back to the white house, this is a little bit of a preview. it's pretty frightful, actually. >> christina, as robert king and points out in the washington post, where he's basically, where he argues that we are sliding into dictatorship, he says that johnson is in trump's pocket. how worried are you about the influence he could have over the next presidential election, if by some nightmare scenario, resolution of the results lands in the house of representatives. >> john, this is what keeps me up at night, honestly. as jennifer said. we're not dealing with the political party, we're dealing with, you know, a myriad of single fans who will do anything that donald trump says or wants. we know that they're frightened of, him we know that we don't just have donald trump, but also speaker johnson to believe their ordained by god to do this work. so, as we think about the history from the mid 20th century, many of those dictators were initially elected. we see how they behaved. so donald trump consistently tells on himself, as does the entire republican party. everything they're saying, joe biden is doing. he's a tackiness because he's just going after his political -- that's absolutely not the case. that's exactly what they're doing. every single time the republicans criticize democrats for their behavior, it's because they are anticipating what they want to do once they get into power. once they do, we've seen that republicans are interested in legislation. they're not interested in governance. their interest in retaliation, and pushing forward an agenda that takes away civil rights and civil liberties from america. >> starting last night at the new york young republicans 111th annual gala, trump reiterated that he would be a dictator on day one if elected's a second time. why isn't anyone in the gop thundering against this? >> well, maybe because they like the idea. a trade of autocrats, they -- we have to listen to donald trump. i don't understand the politics here, the need to kind of parse what he's saying. he says what he means. this is not a complicated guy. if you go back to his announcement speech, it was really a declaration of war against democracy. now you have a guy, a speaker of the house, he says he's ordained by god. he's moses. i mean, when i grew up, i don't think moses was god's fourth choice. this is sort of, it's a way they're looking at the world. it's a really out of step with what americans -- to put these people in power. the majority of americans don't support this, and, really this tests is will america continue down the road of minority rule? the only way to do that is be a tremendous turnout to stop this. >> yes, we're going to talk more about speaker johnson as moses when we come back after a quick break. my panel will stick around. we'll continue this important conversation in a moment. he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. 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(dog bark) it's just smarter, healthier pet food. it's amazing what real food can do. someone asked me today, it's curious, people are curious, what is mike johnson think about any issue under the sun. i say, pick up a bible off your shelf and read it. that's my worldview. that's what i believe in. >> go pick up a bible. yes, you heard that right. that was how speaker, mike johnson. the christian nationalists, now second in line to the presidency. explain to the american people where they can find his policy position. stuart stevens, jennifer reuben, christina greer, they're with us to discuss this. before we went to a break, stuart, you spoke about the fact that speaker johnson was comparing himself to moses. jennifer, in a speech at a gala celebrating right wing christian lawmakers tuesday night, johnson had this to say about being voted in as the new speaker of the house. >> [inaudible] >> okay. so we are having problem with the sound. i'm just going to read the quote. he says, at the time, i assumed the lord was going to choose a new moses. thank you, lord, you're going to allow me to be aaron to moses. 13 people ran for the votes, the lord kept telling me to wait. then, at the end, the lord said, now step forward. me? i'm supposed to be errand. >> your reaction, jennifer. >> this is six stuff. these people really do believe there ordained by god. apparently god never told him that joe biden actually won the presidency, he is the rightful winner. they're in vocation of the creator, it's a little selective to put it mildly. this is dangerous stuff. let me be clear, you cannot say that the bible is your rulebook when you take an oath to the constitution. you can believe whatever you want is a private citizen. all of us have the right to choose our world view. when you put a hands, quote, on the bible, and say i'm going to uphold the constitution regardless of my personal belief, that supersedes. what he's saying is, the oath that he took a false oath. they can't be expected to uphold the constitution because they're on some mission from god. that is dangerous stuff. that is not only -- to our constitutional system, but it is a recipe for disaster. it's a recipe for discrimination, hatred. you already see this. they're going to ban muslims, they're going to throw palestinians out of the country. all of these things that they say are ordained by god. they're going to force women to give birth to children against their will. all of this stuff is the work of the, crowds of people who envisioned themselves as above and beyond the law, and the american people need to wake up, frankly, more people need to do what you're doing, jonathan, which is lay it out. this is the choice. as not about biden's age, or some obscure policy issue. it's about whether or not you want to have these nets running the country. >> right. christina, talking about laid, out and we, we don't need to look that far to see where johnson stands on a particular issue. he's championed legislation to ban abortion nationwide. he's an election denier. he's also attacked lgbtq community. he's called same-sex marriage a dark harbinger of chaos, as a same-sex married man, i am powerful. he has spent six years as an attorney for an organization called alliance defending freedom. and evangelical legal group focused on dismantling lgbtq rights. it's also a hate group, designated a hate group by the southern poverty law center. christina, is mike johnson, speaker johnson, serious about governing? or is he an avatar for a far-right extremism? >> well, no one in the republican party right now is serious about governance. they're serious about blocking any sort of legislation that would help move this country forward. it's talking about transportation, infrastructure, whatever it may be. what's frightening, jonathan, is that his worldview is shared by millions of americans to, especially white evangelicals, who have grip the republican party, a those primary voters. we're going to see more and more elective speaking directly to this faction that is slowly but surely becoming more powerful. i spoke to a man last night. we were discussing the retirement to kevin mccarthy. you know, more and more republicans who were seemingly middle of the road, and could compromise with democrats, or leaving the republican party. their seeding at two right-wing extremists. mike johnson, right, now seems as though he is part of the marjorie taylor greene, lauren boebert, matt gaetz, faction. right-wing faction. pretty soon, that will be the mainstream part of the party. they're getting larger and larger and number. that does not represent the vast majority of americans. it does not represent american values. we are not a country that believes and theocratic principles. we do have a separation of church and state, which is getting more and more blurry with each election of republicans across the country, including places like new york city. >> stuart, we've got less than a couple minutes left, as you well know, the very first line of the first amendment to the constitution states, congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. so how dangerous is it that the speaker of the house is using a christian bible as a policy document to govern a multi-faith, multi cultural nation? >> well, i think this is a direct line between this time, and 2015. when trump came out and called the muslim ban bad. they're absolutely should not, that shouldn't have been accepted by the republican party. there should have been, the portion of called and said if we stand for anything, we can for the constitution. the constitution believes that this should not be a religious test, as clearly stated. what is a muslim ban but religious tests? i really think this is a turning point for the party. once you've accepted that clear opposition to the fundamentals of the constitution is just a slippery slope. this is where you end up. where this odd guy from shreveport is saying that the bible, god, has told him what to do. you know, this is really a disservice to understand, and live their life by that. to use a politically like this, it's she putting true values. block evangelicals are a tremendous force in this country, they're not going away. their religion is invalid because they're not voting this way? there [inaudible] if they support this. >> stuart stevens, jennifer reuben, christina greer. thank you so much for coming back to the sunday show, for this important conversation. up next, the white house response to republican plans to launch an impeachment inquiry into president biden. white house spokesman, ian sams, calls it a baseless stunt. he joins me live, next, to explain why. to explain why. any iphone in any condition into a new iphone 15 pro with titanium and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. only on verizon. 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biden. on thursday, republicans release the text, and johnson says he is confident that his members have the vote to pass it. it's a solution in search of a problem. despite months of investigation into biden and his business dealings by republicans, they have yet to find any concrete evidence of any wrongdoing, of any kind, by the presidents. don't take my word for, it listen to fox news is peter doocy, laid it up for his audience. >> the house oversight committee has been at this for years. they have so far not been able to provide any concrete evidence that joe biden personally profited from this overseas business. >> i mean. joining me now, ian sams. white house spokesman for oversight investigations. special assistant to the president, and senior adviser with the white house counsel's office. ian, as always, thank you for coming to the sunday sho my colleague at the washington post, dana milbank, a interesting and very well done piece comparing the impeac managers to this three stooges. it reads in part, judiciary committee chairman, jim, jordan is. mo thundering, blundering in his repeated failures to prove biden's weaponization of the government. jason smith, the and over his head chairman of wings and means is larry. he recited any script in front of him. oversight committee chairman, james comer, is currently. perpetually getting a pie in the face when the evidence he produces is and mediately debunked. ian, how seriously are you, is the white house taking this inquiry? >> i think dana lays out some good points and that the republicans, all, year have been throwing up these little balloons, then they go pop. it's because they don't have any evidence of any wrongdoing. there isn't any evidence of wrongdoing. i think it's easy to sort of sit and laugh, chuckle at this bungling exercised by house republicans, trying to impeach the republican -- the president based on nothing, but there's something more sinister a play. we think about what we saw on january six so they try to overturn the election. what happened a couple weeks later? on his first full day in office, marjorie taylor greene introduced articles of impeachment against joe biden. you want to overturn what happened in 2020, and they're using their power to launch these baseless political attacks against the presidents. i'm marjorie taylor greene is the one driving this train now. speaker mike johnson, a month ago, said behind closed doors, in the washington post, said that there is no evidence to support moving to a formal impeachment proceeding. what's changed in the last month? the only thing that's changed in the last month is that marjorie taylor greene, and that same far-right faction, are starting to come at him. they're starting to go after him and say, why aren't you doing what we want she did you? he's throwing red meat to the base in the same way that kevin mccarthy did this summer, to launch this political exercise to attack the president too we should be focusing on real issues. the president is going to keep focusing on real issues. we're going to push back against the stunk very hard. it's not going to distract the president from votes on things like ukraine aid. they won't even take this up before they leave town for a month. >> the white house is going to push back very hard, how? what's that going to look like? >> you see things like, you showed the clip of peter doocy. even fox news hosts, fox news anchors are expressing skepticism about this. it's because we're continuing to push the facts out every single day. when they make allegations that turn out to be examples of the president being a good dad, or good family member, is somehow nefarious evidence of wrongdoing, we're going to point out the facts, immediately, swiftly. we're going to sell our message on tv, and things that this conversation today. we're also going to push really hard about what's happening here. what's happening here is that house republicans have shown that they don't actually care about any issues that the american people are trying to make their lives better. instead, they're focusing on these political stunts to try to get themselves a noose maths, and talk about things in the right wing radio ecosystem. even though their baseless involves. i think that when you see the president every day, you see him talking about things like ukraine, aid the need to make sure they have the resources to push back on putin. you see him talking about the need to get funding to the wic program. women and infants, low income, who need food as we head into winter. these are things that the house needs the pass. they need to pass these funding supplemental's. they refused to do it. it's only going to get more intense over the next month, as you mentioned earlier in the show. they're moving to a government shutdown in just a few weeks, and they're going to leave town for the holidays without doing anything to avoid it. well voting on an impeachment inquiry that has no basis and facts and reality. >> we have less than a minute left, but, just to play devils advocate here, marjorie taylor greene filed these articles of impeachment because, well, democrats did that to donald trump. there was no evidence there. what do you make a folks trying to say that what's good for the goose is good for the gander? >> i think it's part and parcel of this house republican conference, their willingness to go to the far-right extreme universe. to degrade our government, our institutions of democracy, the constitutional norms that we've relied upon in this country. you know, this is a constitutional remedy reserved for the grievous of offenses. when you can't even lay out a grave offense, what are you doing? i think all the past impeachments in our country's history have had a predicate of some sort of governing action that was seen as wrong. there is a debate, and a fight over, but they can even point to one. so i think that it's an example of the way that they are ranking these extreme partisan political attacks. the only thing they do in power, instead of anything to help the american people. >> if they do indeed vote to authorize an impeachment inquiry into president biden, will president biden address the nation? and talk about this? >> well we'll see what they do. i think that is part of the issue, that the president is focused on real issues. not big ones. if the house republicans focus on fake issues, it doesn't meet the president needs to come out and say, let me talk about these big issues. i think what we're going to do is push back with the facts, call them up for exactly what they're doing. i think the president is being clear but what his priorities are in contrast of these extreme republicans. >> ian sams, spokesperson for the white house. thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. >> thanks. >> coming, up advice from the state house to the white house. democratic governors are riding high, even as the presidents 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minnesota, for instance. with a two vote democratic majority in the minnesota house, so one votes in the senate. the state enacted and napa lantzsch of progressive legislation last session. enshrining abortion access, expanding education funding, expanding medicaid, legalizing recreational marijuana, enacting a red flag on law, just to name a few. that's a lot. in 2024, our next guest is hoping to take the lessons of the minnesota miracle, as some of called, it nationwide. with 11 races on the ballots. joining me, now tim walz. democratic governor of the great state of minnesota, and the new chair of the democratic governors association. governor waltz, great to see you again. thanks for coming back to the sunday show. >> great to see you, jonathan. thanks for having me. >> in a recent interview with politico, your advice to your democratic colleagues with simple. be bold. tell me more about that strategy. >> yeah, look, these are, these policies that were 19 are super popular. people care deeply about reproductive rights. they care to make sure their children have food and school. they, the republicans, they talk about freedom all the time. that means freedom to be in your bedroom, freedom to be in your exam room. we're talking about freedom to not be shot at school. i think that when we move policies that improve peoples lives, good politics follows good policy. many of these things we've been able to do, especially economically, because of the presidents agenda. the first time in decades that we've seen infrastructure act. we've seen bold movements on climate change, and green energy. all of those things are popular amongst people. when you move on them, it inspires people. so my job, now, is to take that message out there. each governor will have their own message and state. you can see them do it in kentucky, and people forget, we've lost by three points in mississippi. with brandon pressley down there. we're going to play everywhere. again, if you live in a state worth a democratic governor, your life's improved. >> 11 state governorships are up next year, with democrats holding three states, republicans holding the other eight. what's your game plan for holding on to those seats while also making gains on the map? >> yeah, we have no incumbents. we're losing great governors like roy cooper, to term limits. john carney up in delaware. james did three terms in washington state. we're going to hold those. that new hampshire, i think that the message works everywhere. montana. jon tester is going to be on the ballot is the senator. he super popular. i think my role, as you know, i'm a schoolteacher with no political background. a group like the dga is out there to make sure, we're going to see these candidates rise that. we're going to see them spontaneously want to be good serving leaders, i think that we have to be realistic. some of the states are a real challenge, but they're there to help. i'm a firm believer that there are democrats and all of these places. the red blue map doesn't show, you there are democrats in north dakota. i was up there months so ago speaking to the democratic party. it wasn't that long ago their entire slate was democrats. we'll keep working everywhere. >> north dakota is where my husband is from, where my in-laws are, and they're watching. hi, jen. north carolina, lieutenant governor and current front runner in the republican primary for governor, mark robinson, is probably embracing election denialism. telling a crowd in 2021 that biden stole the election. as donald trump's attacks on democracy trickle down to states nationwide, how should house democrats fight back against those claims? >> yeah, first of, all governors run on those bread and butter issues that impact peoples lives. just like you saw in kentucky. we'll be able to do that. look, there's a choice next year. it is not going to be anything about joe biden, is going to be a protection of democracy. it's going to be about do we want to dictatorship? do we want to keep pre-existing conditions in the aca? the good thing in north carolina, this is never going to be the governor. the people of north carolina saw happen break cooper there to fight back against an extremist agenda of trying to deny reproductive, rice demonizing children who are being who they are, will be there to pushback. i think governors need to understand that there are states, they need to message this basic issues, but the broader context of this? elected democratic governor, and you'll start to see the things that improve lives. >> we see that in minnesota. i'm going to get you want one more thing, governor, before i let you go. it's been a little over a week since california governor, gavin newsom, debated florida governor, ron desantis. a guy who is apparently running for presidents. but is it important, was that an asset for, i'm sorry, is it a strategy, is it the right strategy to take the flight directly to republicans in the way the governor newsom did on that stage, but has been doing for more than a year now. >> yeah, i think that anytime you can highlight how strange these people are as a good thing. they're out of the mainstream, where people are at. i saw mike johnson, look, i don't need to give me a sermon. i need him to live one. talk about serving the poor. talk about serving those less fortunate. in this case, to watch gavin, you know, destroy those who are apparently their savior in the republican party was great. look at instead on there was the most pertinent thing. i'll take joe biden in 100 over any of these guys, the matter is age, because he's delivering. >> as a proud carleton along, it is my pleasure an honor to have you on the show. minnesota governor, tim walsh, thank you for coming to the sunday show. >> always a pleasure to be with, you jonathan. >> all, right coming up. the looming battle for control of the senate and an endorsement that could make a difference in a hotly contested election. 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senator know that he has some serious competition in missouri's 2024 u.s. senate race. coon says raise one point $5 million in the third fund raising quarter of this year, and is collecting endorsements from the likes of actor john ham, and my next guest. joining me now, former missouri secretary of state, jason kander. welcome to the sunday show. so, first question, a simple question, why are you endorsing lucas kunce? why should voters vote for him? >> well, first of, all good to be with, you jonathan. good to see you. again look, he's just foreign above a better candidates regardless of party. for the job of being a senator from missouri than josh hawley. josh hawley is what we like to call and missouri a tool. look, this is a race between a guy, josh hawley, who popped popcorn to enthusiastically watch the invasion of iraq, then later, when you go into politics, claim that he opposed the war in iraq. this is witness accounts from people who went to school with him. they pointed this out. then you have lucas kunce, who joined the marine corps to serve in iraq, served in afghanistan, and stands for all the things that myself in a lot of the people watching stand for. more josh hawley stands for josh hawley. >> with speaker mike johnson apparently trying to rewrite the history of january six, do you think senator hawley's report of the insurrectionists will get more attention and the senate race? it's one thing to effectively point that out in a campaign ad, but will it have salient amongst voters in missouri, do you think? >> yeah, if you live across the country over the last couple years, extremism is a major concern when it comes to voters across the country. if you look at just the, back like i'm a former secretary of state. if you look at the fact that every secretary of state candidates who stood for the idea that the election was stolen, pretty much all of them lost. this is a guy who is emblematic of that absurd argument. he made a calculation, and the first few days of january, of 2021, he made a calculation. he said, you, know people don't really know me as well as i want them to know me. what can i do? what big gesture can i make to get people to know who the heck i am? what he settled on was trying to overthrow american democracy. that's what he did. it was a decision, you, know you have to remember that josh hawley was not just a guy who went along with that. everyone in the senate, mitch mcconnell, everyone is like, we've gone this down. we're not going to challenge the electors. they're, like right. josh hawley is like, wait a minute, this is an opportunity for everyone to know my name. that is who we're dealing with here. >> really quickly, you've made the arguments, jason, that with senator joe manchin leaving his west virginia, see democrats potentially are losing that seats. do you think democrats should focus on the seat, because it's winnable? talk me through this. >> look, do the math. you look at the map, there is a certain amount of races that need to be contested, right? that's why prior to joe manchin deciding that he wasn't going to run again, you had him at the bottom of that list, and every case. everyone, said we have west virginia. , now everyone, i think, understands that that's probably unlikely. so people turn to the next opportunity to expand the map. what they tend to look at or places like texas in florida. my argument is this. if lucas kunce is a viable, good candidates, then at least the same way, running against a person who people just don't like. he has won an election, but nobody, i just don't think people in missouri say, you know who are like, that josh hawley. what i need are people that are saying i'm a republican, so i guess is this guy. that means he's vulnerable. if you compare that to places like texas, with ted cruz, places like florida with rick scott, my argument is simply that if you are supporting candidates against those incumbents as well, you probably should be, you should absolutely include this in your list. you should be supporting lucas coons against josh hawley as well. >> we're going to leave it there. great place to leave. but jason kander from missouri, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. >> thanks for having me back, jonathan. >> that'll do it for me today. thank you for watching the sunday show. i will be back next saturday and sunday at 9 am eastern. remember to follow us on x, instagram, and tiktok using the handle, at weekend k part. don't go anywhere, ali velshi is next with more news. th more news this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. marlo thomas: my father founded saint jude 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[music playing] >> good morning. it is sunday, to summertime. family velshi. we begin this hour with the republican parties slow march into a top russi led by the one day only dictator wannabe, donald trump. in a speech lasted a gala for the new york young republicans club, the gop front runner did not back down from his comment last week that he would only be a dictator on day one of a possible second term in office. instead, he doubled down. >> baker, today in the new york times, he said that i want to be a dictator. i didn't say that. i said i want to be a dictator for one day. the new york times said, and you know why i wanted to be a dictator? i want a wall, right? i want a wall, i want to drill, drill, drill. >> there is no reason to believe donald trump when he says, there is no reason not to