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world heavyweight title bout in front of more than 90,000 fans. photos of a trip to the beach to mark prince louis' fourth birthday — the pictures were taken by his mother, the duchess of cambridge. good morning. dry weatherfor the uk this weekend. this follows on from what has already been a dry april across many parts of the uk. see if there are any showers heading your way in the next 48 hours in the details coming up. good morning. it's saturday 23 april. the united nations is being urged to step in and help evacuate tens of thousands of people currently trapped in the ukrainian city of mariupol. the country's deputy prime minister told the bbc an evacuation would only succeed with the united nations' help. the head of the un is due to meet both president zelensky and vladimir putin next week. president zelensky claims moscow is intending to invade other countries, as simonjones reports. underattack, ukraine's second city, kharkiv. russia's assault is intensifying. the dangers are clear. despite the destruction, some residents are determined to stay. we are going to fight. to fight as long as it is needed for the victory. fresh attempts are being made to get civilians out of mariupol. 100,000 people are still thought to be trapped there. ukraine's deputy prime minister says the evacuation will only succeed with the help of the un. translation: un right now “ust observes what is happening h in mariupol, and if the world unites and demands that this evacuation happens, only then it can happen. to try to halt the fighting, the head of the un will travel to moscow on tuesday for talks with president putin before going to kyiv to meet president zelensky on thursday. there is a mood of urgency. these satellite images are said to show a second mass grave on the outskirts of mariupol. this family who've made it to safety say they walked for five days to escape the conflict. translation: we will never forget what happened. - we cannot. but we need to keep our spirits up and raise our children. russia says it has captured an arms depot in the kharkiv region, containing thousands of tons of ammunition. the uk says it's considering expanding military support to kyiv by giving poland tanks to replace those warsaw is sending to ukraine. we're also looking more at what we can do to backfill in countries such as poland who may want to send heavier weaponry to defend — help defend the ukrainians. and the ukrainian president has welcomed another uk commitment. translation: i am grateful to our british friends - for the importance symbolic decision announced today to return the embassy to kyiv. the united kingdom became 21st country to return a diplomatic mission to our capital, and this shows that we're not the only ones who believe in the victory of life over death. russia has, for the first time, admitted that at least one crew member died when its black sea flagship moskva sank last week. 27 others are unaccounted for. ukraine says it struck the vessel with missiles. moscow has blamed the sinking on a fire. there's claim and counterclaim. but president zelensky says the attack on ukraine is only the beginning, and that russia intends to invade other countries. simon jones, bbc news. our reporterjoe inwood is in kyiv. good morning joe. we heard from the president that the only way to get people out of mariupol is with the un's help. bring us upto—date, what we know about how easy it is for people to get out of mariupol right now, given the offensive that is currently taking place there? mat the offensive that is currently taking place there?— the offensive that is currently taking place there? not easy at all. there are two _ taking place there? not easy at all. there are two categories _ taking place there? not easy at all. there are two categories of - taking place there? not easy at all. there are two categories of citizensi there are two categories of citizens trapped there, people in the city, in the wider city, with tens of thousands of people there, we think, and people stuck in the steel plant. for them it will be virtually impossible. putin says that he wants it hermetically sealed solid flight could not even get out. we're talking about people in the wider city. those comments about united nations involvement, they came from the deputy minister and interview with the bbc yesterday, saying the un alone could get people out. but yesterday also said that there was some hope for a civilian corridor this weekend. in the last hour or so the city council has said they hope you planetarium corridors, buses will start at 12 o'clock local time, ten o'clock in the uk. —— humanitarian corridors. the hope had been for an easter choose to allow people to come out. that was, we are told, rejected by the russians. but the fact that there is some hope, some possibility of a humanitarian corridor suggest that they may have been a minor breakthrough. however, we talk of compromise between these two warring sides, we have to take it with a large prince of salt. thank you. joe ingwood there in kyiv. madeleine mccann's parents say they welcome the news from portuguese police that a german man has been formally made a suspect over their daughter's disappearance in 2007. kate and gerry mccann said it reflected progress in the investigation, and that they still hoped to be reunited with madeleine, who was three when she went missing on a family holiday to the algarve. our correspondent, jon kay, sent this report from praia da luz. her face and name are known around the world, but what happened to madeleine remains a mystery. it was on 3 may 2007 that she vanished from the mccanns' holiday apartment in praia da luz — the moment her family's lives changed forever. please give our little girl back. overnight, portuguese prosecutors announced that they'd declared a new "arguido", or formal suspect in the case. it's understood to be this man, christian brueckner. the 45—year—old is currently in prison in germany for rape and drugs offences. he's known to have been living in portugal around the time madeleine disappeared, and german investigators say mobile phone records place him in praia da luz. but he has denied any involvement in the mccann case and has not been charged. the last decade and a half have seen many potential breakthroughs come and go. madeleine disappeared from her family's apartment while her parents were dining at a restaurant in the complex, and in the early days of the investigation, the portuguese authorities made kate and gerry mccann official suspects, but that status was later withdrawn. injuly 2013, the uk's metropolitan police reviewed the case, saying they had new witnesses and new evidence and they searched areas close to where madeleine was last seen. it was injune 2020 that german police said they'd identified a prisoner as a suspect. and the timing of christian brueckner now being made an arguido appears significant — next month, it will be 15 years since madeleine was reported missing, and under portuguese law, it's not possible for someone to be given arguido status after 15 years. but the authorities here say the move was not driven by timing, but by what they call "strong indications" of the practice of a crime. so 15 years after they came to this resort on the holiday, kate and gerry mccann have issued a statement cautiously welcoming this latest development, saying it is potentially a sign of progress. and saying that they still have the hope that one day they might be reunited with madeline. jon kay, bbc news, on the algarve. campaigning has ended in france's presidential election, with both candidates urging people to get out and vote tomorrow. the poll is expected to be the closest ever run—off between president emmanuel macron and his far—right rival marine le pen. our correspondent lucy williamson has been following the candidates during the final days on the campaign trail. it's a bit late for tips on how to land a punch on his opponent. after five divisive years in power, what emmanuel macron needs is to persuade voters who'd quite like to punch him to give him their vote instead. florentine and chloe are both teachers here in the suburbs of paris. they voted for mr macron last time. now, they've come to give him a hard time. le pen isjust...huge disaster, but macron is still a disaster, i think, for school and for the service—public, ah, for public service in france. he's killing that, step by step. florentine says she'll abstain on sunday rather than vote for macron again. i'm still hesitating. i think if i do it, i might really get sick just after. he's a good talker, he knows how to try to seduce people, but we're not stupid. chloe gets close enough to shout her question on teacher's pay. "do you think teachers are lazy?" she asks. through the scrum, macron grips her hand and locks in her vote. translation: he gripped my hand and said, "we're going to do something about that, "i promise." so, i will vote for him, but i want something in return. truck horn honks there's a real choice on sunday about where france is heading. marine le pen is promising huge tax cuts and to "take back control". emmanuel macron wants a global nation set on economic reform. divisions here are deepening with every election cycle and voters are now split between two radically different views of the world — with one candidate presenting herself as the spokeswoman of the people, and the other saying he's protecting france from her. dylan says he voted far left in the first round of this election. on sunday, he's voting far right. translation: it's not that i like the idea of voting - for marine le pen, but we have to choose between the two, and when you're choosing between cholera and the plague, you choose the lesser of two evils. crowd chanting at herfinal rally, here in arras, marine le pen said voters should choose her to block mr macron. both say the other is dangerous. both spark loyalty in their own fans and loathing in those of their rival. but most voters belong to neither camp, and in this battle over france's future, they're being asked to choose a side. lucy williamson, bbc news, paris. new photographs of prince louis have been released today to mark his fourth birthday. the pictures were taken earlier this month by his mother, the duchess of cambridge. they show louis, who is the youngest of william and catherine's three children, enjoying a trip to the beach, smiling and holding a cricket ball while on a family trip to norfolk. a p&o ferry that was held over safety concerns has been cleared to sail by the maritime and coastguard agency. the spirit of britain was one of the ferries detained, after p&o replaced nearly 800 staff with cheaper agency workers in march. the mca say another ship, the european highlander, still has a "small number of deficiencies" which must be fixed before it's allowed to sail again. right, it is saturday. we know that much. and regular things happen on a saturday. practices on, obviously. chris and linger will be here, our covid—i9 panel. —— lender. there will be here after nine o'clock. we are really keen to hear your questions. —— linda. you can see the address to send them in, or you can tweet using the hashtag @bbcbreakfast. we note numbers are lower. but @bbcbreakfast. we note numbers are lower. �* , , ., , lower. but it is still relatively hi . h. lower. but it is still relatively hiuh. it lower. but it is still relatively high- it is _ lower. but it is still relatively high. it is also _ lower. but it is still relatively high. it is also about - - lower. but it is still relatively l high. it is also about - perhaps lower. but it is still relatively - high. it is also about - perhaps you can tell us — high. it is also about - perhaps you can tell us about _ high. it is also about - perhaps you can tell us about when _ high. it is also about - perhaps you can tell us about when you - high. it is also about - perhaps you can tell us about when you should l can tell us about when you should test and why. so we will be joined by chris and linda after nine o'clock. here's susan with a look at this morning's weather. good morning to you. a lot of dry weather to come for the uk this weekend, but notjust for this weekend, but notjust for this weekend, but notjust for this weekend, but i think for the re april. to put it in context, we are already somewhat down on the rental we should have seen so far this month. england and wales have seen only around half the rainfall they should have. if you are trying to get something going in the garden, i think that is only that will impact how you get through the rest of the week ahead. these are the rainfall accumulations predicted for the next seven days and you can see as we go through the seven days the map colours in a little bit. there is a chance of a little bit of rain in many areas but it is really scant rain, a couple of millimetres. why is this a little? it will come in the form of the odd isolated shower being brought in on the wind, essentially, because the uk is very much dominated by high pressure. a big area of high pressure to the north of us at the moment. it is a mess around this low further south in the bay of biscay. most easterly winds will whisk some showers into the north of that low across southern areas of britain today. the majority of the uk will stay dry and a majority of showers we do see will be late. easterly wind ushering cloud across england and wales today. also some sicker cloud to the north of scotland. —— figure. however we will see some brightest quys however we will see some brightest guys i think for scotland. that easterly wind a notable feature and certainly making things considerably cooler along our north sea coasts. most errors will see temperatures no higher than 11 or 12 degrees. further west, higher than 11 or 12 degrees. furtherwest, better higher than 11 or 12 degrees. further west, better chances of warmth. interpreters could get up to 17 or 18. saturday into sunday the low to the up as it works into the continent could just enable some showers to feed across southern most counties of england, perhaps a few into south wales. as i said, though, they will be scanned with the rental they will be scanned with the rental they bring, and it is not a good dowsing i am promising for the garden by any means. the odd shower to the north of england, on sunday, maybe. call on the north sea coasts. temperate is in double figures. perhaps the mid to high teens. into next week, things shift. although dse, a jumpy move there. we will sort that in the next half hour. but here is what you need to see about the change into next week. we will start to pull in cool air from the north and north—east. but it still looks dry. a bit more cloud tending to feed into eastern regions with the easterly wind and temperatures just ebbing back from the figures we will see this weekend. i quite just ebbing back from the figures we will see this weekend. i quite like will see this weekend. i quite like our will see this weekend. i quite like yourjumpy _ will see this weekend. i quite like yourjumpy move. _ will see this weekend. i quite like yourjumpy move. it _ will see this weekend. i quite like yourjumpy move, it prepares - will see this weekend. i quite like yourjumpy move, it prepares us| will see this weekend. i quite like i yourjumpy move, it prepares us for what is next. it tells us where we are going next, the weather is turning. nice to see you. let's look at this morning's papers. "boris: i'll send in our tanks" is the headline on the front of the daily mail. the paper reports that the british army is expected to send tanks to poland so warsaw can give some of theirs to ukraine. the mirror leads on the latest development in the madeleine mccann case, as portugese police interview in the madeleine mccann case, as portuguese police interview suspect christian brueckner. the paper says madeleine mccann's parents have welcomed the news. the telegraph reports that the prime minister is braced for a second fine, as the metropolitan police begin issuing sanctions to people who attended a �*bring your own booze' event in downing street during lockdown. and the most—read story on the bbc news website this morning is this story about prince louis' fourth birthday. as is tradition, the palace has released a series of photographs, that were taken earlier this month in norfolk by his mother, the duchess of cambridge, to celebrate his big day. as our director, gareth, pointed 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_ they grow quickly... but at the expense of nutritional - they grow quickly... but at the expense of nutritional quality. | expense of nutritional quality. things like levels of sodium, level of iron, level of copper, magnesium, potassium and calcium. so of iron, level of copper, magnesium, potassium and calcium. 50 iii of iron, level of copper, magnesium, potassium and calcium.— potassium and calcium. so if they are half as _ potassium and calcium. so if they are half as nutritious, _ potassium and calcium. so if they are half as nutritious, we - potassium and calcium. so if they are half as nutritious, we should l potassium and calcium. so if they i are half as nutritious, we should be eating twice as much of these particular vegetables. any named? no, because i could imagine it is also where you buy them from, whether they are mass—produced or farm produced i guess. alarming results. ., ~ ., results. now you know. the story, 8:50am. 6:20am _ results. now you know. the story, 8:50am. 6:20am is _ results. now you know. the story, 8:50am. 6:20am is the _ results. now you know. the story, 8:50am. 6:20am is the time - results. now you know. the story, 8:50am. 6:20am is the time right| 8:50am. 6:20am is the time right now, and it is time for the latest technology news with click. in the shadow of battersea power station in london, the future of mankind hangs in the balance. our two heroes are on a desperate mission to save the earth from being wiped out by an asteroid... hang on, you're bashing some boxes around now. what's this? ooh! oh, ok, well done! oh! ..and, quite frankly, they're being hopeless about it. do you want some nitrogen? can i throw it to you? ok, i've got no feet! yes, throw it to me. all right, look, here we go. can i catch it? got it! ok, well, whatam i actually doing with it now? um, i don't know — hang onto it, i suppose. well, is that why you've given it to me, because you don't know what to do with it? this is a vr escape room in space, where the objects you pick up and drop bounce around in zero g. it really shows how vr can create experiences that would be impossible to achieve in a real escape room. but it just looks like any landmass with some sea next to it! yeah, but there's a long wiggly bit! i don't recognise the curve. there's a long wiggly bit over here, right? yeah, although what's funny, of course, is that escape rooms started online, then they moved to the real world and now, they're now becoming this sort of next gen hybrid thing. true. not that it matters, as right now, i think we're running out of time! both: argh! lara chuckles oh, we didn't manage to save the world. i'm s o rryi yeah, you've all gone the way of the dinosaurs, i'm afraid. apologies. we've known for some time now that video games can help alleviate stress and anxiety, and only last year, we looked at a device called the mdoloris, which is usually used by doctors to see whether patients who are sedated are feeling pain or not. yeah, but they've also been conducting other studies using the machine, specifically with kids who have cancer, to find out whether playing video games could do more for them than just be fun. omar mehtab has been finding out more. ah, nervous. i'm pumped, i'm excited! i'm a little bit nervous. we've arrived at the hospital la paz in madrid and we're here to meet the kids fighting cancer. hello! omar chuckles why's that? well, it's because i'm about to play some video games with them! this here is my new friend marco. how long have you been in the hospital? laughter ah, pokemon? yes. yeah? i have pokemon as well. i've got my pokemon — can i get my pokemon? can i show him? do you know how to play? go for it, man. check out my pokemon. now, we're notjust here playing games for the sake of it. rather, it's said to reduce the pain that these kids feel. a trial at this hospital has been studying these children, who often feel pain due to their condition and the adverse effects of chemotherapy. the mdoloris machine. it monitors a person's autonomic nervous system, which unconsciously regulates body processes such as breathing, blood pressure and heart rate so doctors can, at a glance, see the level of distress a patient may be in. the lower the number out of 100, the more they are in. it quantifies pain. we looked at this machine last year, where doctors said it helped assess how much pain someone was actually in, so they can administer the right amount of painkillers so as not to over— or under—dose them, and it was critical in treating covid patients as well. but now, they're using it to try and prove one of the most popular theories around. there have been various studies over the years looking into the relationship between gaming and pain, and by using this machine, they can objectively say when someone is feeling more or less pain. but why are video games having this effect? now, this trial has been peer—reviewed and published in thejournal of medical internal research. they had 20 kids in total playing video games for an average of 2.3 hours every day, and that was enough to bring about less pain and less need for morphine, showing how effective this non—medical, non—invasive hobby may be. ok, me personally, i easily get vexed with video games if things don't go my way. but for these kids, not so much. the theory is that adolescent kids can gain more pleasure from video games than any other age range. i imagine he's in pain... another level! i imagine he's been in pain, but right now, that doesn't matter! because he's just fully absorbed and right now, all — this is all he cares about. daniel here, for instance, was one of the first trialists and immediately saw the benefits. and it all began when this psp was handed to a patient and they similarly noticed how affixed the kid was to it. now, they want to take their findings further. so, maybe one day, we'll find playstations, xboxes and nintendo switches become standard in hospitals. untilthen, maybe i'll also do a bit of gaming when i'm not feeling too great. so, over the last few weeks, we've been looking at some of the films nominated for best visual effects at this year's oscars, and this week, it is the turn ofjames bond! did you know that no time to die is the first bond movie that's been nominated in the best visual effects category in 43 years? moonraker was the last one in 1979. yes, of course. and here is some of the amazing work that went into the film. now, your enemy is my enemy. his name is safin. . what does he want? revenge. me. - the bond films have a rich heritage of shooting all of their extraordinary action for real, and this film was absolutely no different. there was visual effects in it, but they were not up front and centre. so for instance, in the norway lake sequence, the production actually went to norway and they filmed on a real lake, a realfrozen lake in norway. but as with any production, when you shoot throughout the day, the footage looks different from shot to shot. there was kind of one or maybe two shots which everyone was happy with the lighting conditions. we had a task — to try and match the lighting across all of the shots, and in order to do that, we simulated a cg world where the lighting was exactly the same, and then we used a number of techniques to copy and mimic what we were seeing in the computer. so, rather than — we still used the photography and built on top of it rather than replacing it whole hog, but we used the simulation to tell us what that should look like. we had an amazing special effects team that really did — and a stunt team that really did jump land rovers through the air, and when we needed to replace things like that for lighting or forfilling in the background, we kept exactly that stunt. so, on a james bond film, no—one really wants to resort to cgi stunts and things like that, so they really do capture everything in camera. but when they, for sort of timing reasons, they take a chunk out of the middle of a chase, suddenly the continuity of where those vehicles are and where they need to be sort of goes out the window. that's when we do come in. we try and find a plate that maybe has got the toyota in it, which is bond's car, but it doesn't have the land rovers there, so had a motorbike. so we erased the motorbike but we'll put the land rovers in. and that's the kind of work that we are doing. it's not very flashy work to put in the grass that was completely chewed up by the stunt team and to replace that, but it does need to be — it does need to look really accurate. and the attention to detail that our environment team had to go to to model the tufts of the grass that matched the scottish highlands, where they were shooting — unless we go to those sort of lengths, you don't end up believing it and it all feels like a bit of a fudge, and we're not interested in fudging it in 2022. and i'm afraid that's it for the short cut of click for this week. the full—length version is of course waiting for you right now on iplayer. and as ever, you can keep up with the team on social media. find us on youtube, instagram, facebook and twitter, @bbcclick. thanks for watching. we'll see you soon. bye— bye. hello, this is breakfast with naga munchetty and ben thomspon. —— thompson. one year ago today, the court of appeal quashed the convictions of 39 people who ran post offices across the country. dozens more have been overturned since. it is the most widespread miscarriage ofjustice in british legal history, and many more are still searching forjustice. noel thomas from anglesey is one of them, and has been speaking to bbc panorama. i was iwasa i was a postman in an area that means paradise in english. norwood thomas was a pillar of his anglesey community until a post office accused him of theft and false accounting. accused him of theft and false accounting-— accused him of theft and false accountinu. ., , ., ., , ., ., accounting. there was a lady and a centleman accounting. there was a lady and a gentleman and _ accounting. there was a lady and a gentleman and as _ accounting. there was a lady and a gentleman and as she _ accounting. there was a lady and a gentleman and as she walked - accounting. there was a lady and a i gentleman and as she walked through the door she said the thief is there, cut him. his the door she said the thief is there, cut him. , , .,, , , ., there, cut him. his problems began with a computer— there, cut him. his problems began with a computer system _ there, cut him. his problems began with a computer system called - with a computer system called horizon. it was installed in post offices at the turn of the millennium. it offices at the turn of the millennium.— offices at the turn of the millennium. ., , ., _ , millennium. it was a huge it system and every single _ millennium. it was a huge it system and every single it— millennium. it was a huge it system and every single it system - millennium. it was a huge it system and every single it system has - millennium. it was a huge it system and every single it system has bugs| and every single it system has bugs in it. it goes wrong sometimes. there is a clause in all of their contracts that made them responsible for any money that had gone missing. it didn't matter how the money had gone missing. all that mattered was that the system says it wasn't there as they had to pay it back. i that the system says it wasn't there as they had to pay it back.— as they had to pay it back. i took out a loan _ as they had to pay it back. i took out a loan to _ as they had to pay it back. i took out a loan to pay _ as they had to pay it back. i took out a loan to pay it _ as they had to pay it back. i took out a loan to pay it back, - as they had to pay it back. i took out a loan to pay it back, the - as they had to pay it back. i took| out a loan to pay it back, the first shortfalls. — out a loan to pay it back, the first shortfalls, to keep the post office open, _ shortfalls, to keep the post office open, if— shortfalls, to keep the post office open, if you like, to keep horizon satisfied~ — open, if you like, to keep horizon satisfied. then of course it came to a point _ satisfied. then of course it came to a point that— satisfied. then of course it came to a point that i— satisfied. then of course it came to a point that i couldn't take anymore loans_ a point that i couldn't take anymore loans on _ a point that i couldn't take anymore loans on. but a point that i couldn't take anymore loans on. �* .., .,, �* loans on. but commuter wasn't reliable. fujitsu, _ loans on. but commuter wasn't reliable. fujitsu, the _ loans on. but commuter wasn't reliable. fujitsu, the companyl reliable. fujitsu, the company responsible for designing and managing horizon knew there were bugs in the system, but the postmasters didn't. it bugs in the system, but the postmasters didn't.- bugs in the system, but the postmasters didn't. it was pretty well understood _ postmasters didn't. it was pretty well understood that _ postmasters didn't. it was pretty well understood that the - postmasters didn't. it was pretty well understood that the system | postmasters didn't. it was pretty - well understood that the system was pretty ropey. it was a very dodgy system. if we had been aware that postmasters would directly be attributing these losses to the systems at the time, then that would have seemed perfectly logical to us. no—one had any idea. noel was advised to plead guilty to avoid being sent to prison for theft. haste being sent to prison for theft. we went to being sent to prison for theft. - went to court and the judge said i am sentencing you, he said, to nine months. and i was waiting for suspended sentence, and he said no, i'm sorry, take him down. i never knew a day was so long. it was horrible. if: knew a day was so long. it was horrible. 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' ~ , . , . horrible. 16 years after he was first accused _ horrible. 16 years after he was first accused and _ horrible. 16 years after he was first accused and with - horrible. 16 years after he was first accused and with the - horrible. 16 years after he was | first accused and with the truth about the horizon system finally uncovered, no's conviction was overturned. it uncovered, no's conviction was overturned-— uncovered, no's conviction was overturned. , ., ., overturned. it has been a long time. 16 ears. overturned. it has been a long time. 16 years- you _ overturned. it has been a long time. 16 years. you know. _ overturned. it has been a long time. 16 years. you know. but _ overturned. it has been a long time. 16 years. you know. but at - overturned. it has been a long time. 16 years. you know. but at last - overturned. it has been a long time. 16 years. you know. but at last the i 16 years. you know. but at last the sun is shining and i am free. the ost sun is shining and i am free. the post office _ sun is shining and i am free. the post office told _ sun is shining and i am free. the post office told the bbc "we are sincerely sorry for the impact of the horizon scandal on victims and theirfamilies. we are the horizon scandal on victims and their families. we are at no doubt of the human cost. we have provided financial relief with interim payments to the overwhelming majority of the 73 people who have had convictions overturned ahead of final settlements. " fujitsu has declined to comment. noel has yet to be fully compensated and so far nobody from the post office has been held to account for the scandal. a public inquiry is now investigating. it is unbelievable. you don't expect it to you, and the post office. i would like to see these people come back to justice. people would like to see these people come back tojustice. people in would like to see these people come back to justice. people in their position being paid a lot of money, hiding the truth. make them feel like i felt when i lost everything overnight. and that scandal, that situation, we have spoken to 70 people in this programme on the bbc who are still fighting with their lives completely ruined. a ., , . ruined. astonishing when you hear the stories and _ ruined. astonishing when you hear the stories and the _ ruined. astonishing when you hear the stories and the impact - ruined. astonishing when you hear the stories and the impact that - ruined. astonishing when you hear the stories and the impact that it | the stories and the impact that it had on people's lives and want to change. had on people's lives and want to chan . e. ., , had on people's lives and want to chance. ., , ., change. the time now 24 minutes to seven. change. the time now 24 minutes to seven- there — change. the time now 24 minutes to seven. there is _ change. the time now 24 minutes to seven. there is a _ change. the time now 24 minutes to seven. there is a big _ change. the time now 24 minutes to seven. there is a big fight _ change. the time now 24 minutes to seven. there is a big fight going - seven. there is a big fight going on. not only so far, for a change of! ., , ~ . on. not only so far, for a change of! ., , . ., ., on. not only so far, for a change of! . ., ., .,, of! not yet. we have a few hours left. definitely at wembley tonight, everybody will be tuning in, turning their attention to it, because there will he _ their attention to it, because there will be this— their attention to it, because there will be this all british heavyweight title, _ will be this all british heavyweight title, world title fight. that has not happened here since 1993 when it was bruno _ not happened here since 1993 when it was bruno and lennox lewis. it is a bil was bruno and lennox lewis. it is a big moment — was bruno and lennox lewis. it is a big moment in history and also because — big moment in history and also because it _ big moment in history and also because it will be at wembley, outdoors, _ because it will be at wembley, outdoors, more than 90,000 fans, and a real— outdoors, more than 90,000 fans, and a real kind _ outdoors, more than 90,000 fans, and a real kind of— outdoors, more than 90,000 fans, and a real kind of moment, it could be huge _ a real kind of moment, it could be huge fireworks as well. we know the heavyweight division is certainly very hot— heavyweight division is certainly very hot at the moment with a lot of contenders— very hot at the moment with a lot of contenders there and the fight tonight— contenders there and the fight tonight is going to be between tyson theory— tonight is going to be between tyson theory and _ tonight is going to be between tyson theory and dillian whyte at wembley stadium _ theory and dillian whyte at wembley stadium. —— tyson theory. —— fury. in a remarkably calm weigh in, both fighters were a lot closer in weight than expected, fury tipping the scales at 18 st 8lbs — that's12lbs lighter than fury was for his last fight, but still nearly a stone heavier than whyte. there's been so much hype about this bout — 94,000 expected at wembley — which will be a post—war european record. come on uk! i am so happy to be back here fighting at wembley stadium and you people made it happen. you all made it happen. everyone of you made it happen. big respect to dillian whyte and his team. proper professional men. and we will give you a realfight. don't professional men. and we will give you a real fight. don't doubt us. professional men. and we will give you a realfight. don't doubt us. we will put a show on like no other before. it will be a wall, don't worry about that. now for the football. it's a big day in the race for the top four in the premier league. manchester united travel to face arsenal in the lunch—time kick—off. but one player united will be without today is paul pogba, who has been ruled out with a calf injury. the french midfielder limped out of united 4—0 defeat to liverpool on tuesday, and interim manager ralf rangnick says it is more than likely pogba has played his last game for the club, with his contract expiring this summer. right now it doesn't make sense to think about that because, as i said, he would be available for the game tomorrow, and most likely not for the other four upcoming games. tomorrow, and most likely not for the otherfour upcoming games. as it seems right now, he will not renew his contract and i don't know, maybe the club or eric will also not want to renew the contract. i don't know. but it is most likely he won't be here anymore next season. in the championship, luton town can move a step closer to a fairytale return to england's top division this lunchtime. a win against blackpool would all but secure their play off place. huddersfield town will definitely be in the top six. they secured their play off place after a 2—1win against barnsley last night — a result which sees barnsley relegated back to league one. there's been another world record crowd for women's football at camp nou last night. 91,648 people watched barcelona's champions league semi—final first leg win against wolfsburg. that's about 100 people more than saw them beat real madrid in the quarter—finals. barca, who are the defending champions, won 5—1. very comprehensive there. that goal was the second from norwegian international caroline graham hansen. it's not been the best start to the formula 1 season for lewis hamilton and mercedes and he faces yet another tough day, with the first sprint race of the season. qualifying was chaotic at imola in italy. alex albon's williams caught fire and carlos sainz crashed his ferrari. the latter incident ended hamilton's hopes. before the action could resume, it rained, and he was left stuck in the garage. he'll start from 13th with team mate george russell 11th. red bull's max verstappen will start from pole ahead of ferrari's charles leclerc as they look to secure positions for sunday's grand prix. everyone is working really hard at the factory and then things don't come together, yes, it is disappointing. i think we underperformed as a team today. i — yes. there are things we should have done that we didn't do, but anyways, we will work as hard as we can to move up in the sprint race. it will be a difficult race, but hopefully tomorrow is better, weatherwise, and who knows. emma raducanu's run at the sttutgart open has come to an end, beaten by world number one iga swiatek in the quarter—finals. it was raducanu's first—ever match against a top ten opponent and she put up a good showing, but the in—form swiatek was too strong for her on the clay, winning in straight sets, 6—4, 6—4. in the women's six nations, wales were thrashed 33—5 at home as france continued their 100% win record. laure sansus scored two tries in a dominant first half for france and the dominance continued after the break, as the french got a bonus point win at cardiff arms park and now sit top of the standings. and italy taking on scotland this evening. and then on sunday, england face ireland at wellsford road. it will be an emotional match for one of the england players, emily scarratt who will get her 100th cap, at welford road, a ground she visited often as a child. if you were to write it out and make it the best it could possibly be, this would be the script. so i don't know who is writing my prescription at the moment but i definitely owe them a drink or two, i think. it is amazing. we sell season tickets there, when i was growing up. and finally, there was an unexpected visitor to the crucible during the defending champion mark selby�*s second round match. have a look at this here. somehow a pigeon got into the theatre and flew down to the table, surprising yan bingtao. i love yan bingtao's face. hard to get tickets, but not for this guy. they removed him safely. we havejohn virgo coming on, and he was commentator. i think his comment is what is that pigeon doing their? and i said i don't think anyone can answer except for the pigeon. but thatis answer except for the pigeon. but that is the joy of commentating something like that, isn't it? i'm looking forward to that later. mice looking forward to that later. nice to see you- _ looking forward to that later. nice to see you. thank _ looking forward to that later. nice to see you. thank you. _ looking forward to that later. nice to see you. thank you. 6.42 - looking forward to that later. nice to see you. thank you. 6.42 is - 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shakespeare company for decades, have become the seventh and eighth people do claim the honour. they heard sheep down the aptly named sheep street. n they heard sheep down the aptly named sheep street.— they heard sheep down the aptly named sheep street. i think we will aet named sheep street. i think we will net in named sheep street. i think we will get in trouble _ named sheep street. i think we will get in trouble with _ named sheep street. i think we will get in trouble with the _ named sheep street. i think we will get in trouble with the shipboard i named sheep street. i think we will get in trouble with the shipboard or| get in trouble with the shipboard or whatever. haste get in trouble with the shipboard or whatever. ~ .. ., , ., get in trouble with the shipboard or whatever. ~ ., , ., ., whatever. we cannot put that on the cv . whatever. we cannot put that on the cv, judi whatever. we cannot put that on the cv. judi dench. _ whatever. we cannot put that on the cv, judi dench, bond _ whatever. we cannot put that on the cv, judi dench, bond films, - cv, judi dench, bond films, shakespeare, it sheep herding. my family shakespeare, it sheep herding. family has shakespeare, it sheep herding. iji family has been shakespeare, it sheep herding. ii family has been entirely shakespeare, it sheep herding. ii1: family has been entirely involved shakespeare, it sheep herding. ii1 family has been entirely involved in stratford since i was very young and ijust stratford since i was very young and i just love stratford since i was very young and ijust love it here. i love it. i get very emotional about it. it is much better to ask kenny. we're very honoured. much better to ask kenny. we're very honoured- it — much better to ask kenny. we're very honoured. it is _ much better to ask kenny. we're very honoured. it is a _ much better to ask kenny. we're very honoured. it is a place _ much better to ask kenny. we're very honoured. it is a place that _ much better to ask kenny. we're very honoured. it is a place that has - honoured. it is a place that has given— honoured. it is a place that has given us— honoured. it is a place that has given us a _ honoured. it is a place that has given us a lot work and that man is the bloke _ given us a lot work and that man is the bloke who pays the rent and we are grateful to the place and the fellow _ are grateful to the place and the fellow. , , . ., ., fellow. the presence of two acting icons brought _ fellow. the presence of two acting icons brought in _ fellow. the presence of two acting icons brought in the _ fellow. the presence of two acting icons brought in the crowds. - fellow. the presence of two acting j icons brought in the crowds. some made a specialjourney from abroad. i came from madrid in spain to see this. i knew that kenneth branagh would be here. here's the reason we are like shakespeare.— are like shakespeare. wonderful. i wouldn't have _ are like shakespeare. wonderful. i wouldn't have missed _ are like shakespeare. wonderful. i wouldn't have missed it. _ are like shakespeare. wonderful. i| wouldn't have missed it. absolutely amazing _ wouldn't have missed it. absolutely amazing. they are just classic, abe? ithink— amazing. they are just classic, abe? i think it _ amazing. they are just classic, abe? i think it is _ amazing. they are just classic, abe? i think it is an— amazing. they are just classic, abe? i think it is an excellent opportunity— i think it is an excellent opportunity to- i think it is an excellent opportunity to history l i think it is an excellent. opportunity to history and i think it is an excellent- opportunity to history and also i think it is an excellent— opportunity to history and also on a couple _ opportunity to history and also on a couple of— opportunity to history and also on a couple of well— known _ opportunity to history and also on a couple of well— known people - opportunity to history and also on a couple of well— known people who i opportunity to history and also on a . couple of well— known people who have done a _ couple of well— known people who have done a great _ couple of well— known people who have done a great deal— couple of well— known people who have done a great deal to— couple of well— known people who have done a great deal to promote - done a great deal to promote shakespeare _ done a great deal to promote shakespeare over— done a great deal to promote shakespeare over the - done a great deal to promote shakespeare over the years. i done a great deal to promote . shakespeare over the years. the restoration _ shakespeare over the years. restoration cost £45,000. shakespeare over the years.- restoration cost £45,000. after the funds were raised by a sponsored reading of the complete works of the bard. a wonderful way to kick off the weekend of shakespeare's birthday celebrations. the first time the event has been held in three years. bob hockenhull, bbc news, stratford. most beloved actors? i think it is them. most beloved actors? i think it is them- happy _ most beloved actors? i think it is them- happy st _ most beloved actors? i think it is them. happy st george's - most beloved actors? i think it is them. happy st george's day - most beloved actors? i think it is them. happy st george's day to | most beloved actors? i think it is - them. happy st george's day to those of you in england. susan is taking a look at the weather. i was up to the beach today? if you are going to one of the north sea beaches i think put on the layers and don't expect much sunshine. the thing we are talking about really for the rest of this month, the bit of weather law that is normally april showers bring forth may flowers, not very many showers around at all. for the next seven days. so far this april there hasn't been much rainfall around either. this —— of course the southern half of the uk, england and wales falling short by about 50% currently. in the next seven days let's try and put some rainfall on here, you can see it colouring in blue behind me but it is the lightest end of the blue, perhaps a few millimetres here or there in the next seven days. by no means are given because what our model is picking up is showers that will get fed across the uk. as i am sure you know whether showers, some areas will see them, some spots will miss them. the gardeners and growers, quite a critical time getting things going, we could probably do with a good dowsing of rainfall, that is not our forecast for the week ahead, certainly not for this weekend. high—pressure dominates across the uk, sitting to the north of us, there is a low to the south, it has been messy across france and iberia courtesy of that, and the squeeze behind the low is giving us easterly breezes, and that will bore more cloud towards the eastern beaches. more cloud across england and wales today, should brighten up towards the east through the afternoon, some of this cloud of the final of could be more stubborn, but will tend to turn back to the coast. easterly wind this time of year, particularly coming over the north sea, it could get up to 18 degrees in one or two spots, but for the north sea, 11 or 12 at best. saturday and sunday at this low is close by to the south, trapping —— tracking towards the mediterranean, will bring the risk of some showers into southern counties of england, but showers, not all areas will see them, perhaps the south—west with the greatest charts through sunday, could see the odd one coming off the north sea to the north—east of england, but overall for sunday, fine weather, perhaps a bit more on the way of sunshine across england and wales, eastern scotland picking up a bit more cloud. temperatures, still looking at the height teams in some spots but into next week as the high—pressure moves further westwards, we switch around into a more north—easterly wind direction and things will turn cooler. but they will still be staying dry, that is the outlook for the next few days. some very dry and increasingly cool weather to come. at least it's not raining, thanks very much susan. this week on the film review, anna smithjoins jane hill to discuss the latest cinema releases. hello and welcome to the film review on bbc news. taking us through this week's cinema releases is anna smith. so, anna, what do we have this week? if you are a nic cage fan, you're in luck. we have the unbearable weight of massive talent, in which the actor plays a comical version of himself. next up, playground, a rather more serious belgian drama about bullied children that takes place in a school. and finally happening, an award—winning french drama about the 1960s. the title alone of your first choice is just so brilliant. i love the idea of it. two guys read a screenplay about nicolas cage or a crazy version of him, and persuade him to star in it. the idea is that nicolas cage is down on his luck and he's failing in his career, things are not going well with his family he decides to take an offer from an eccentric billionaire played by pedro pascal, to appear at his birthday party and he is paid $1 million to appear at this birthday party, what can go wrong? turns out the guy is suspected of kidnapping by the cia and nicolas cage must go undercover to help the cia but the problem is, he's getting on really well with this host and they have a great bond and they have a bit of a party together. let's take a look. grab it! or else we will both die and i will never live with myself after that! you let go! screams goodbye, nicolas cage. i'll never forget you, man. i will never forget you. now you get the hell out of here! you go! mrcage? buddy? where did you come from? oh, yeah, yurns out, we could've just walked around. yeah, i guess so. laughs. what is going on! that's one of the funniest scenes but there are many, i was consistently laughing at this movie and it's either doing crazy comedy like that or very often it is riffing off of movie cliches and more importantly nicolas cage movies. if you are a fan of things like face/off, con air, there is lots of references, even if you're not a fan, this is just a funny movie about a hollywood star having a bit of a bromance, and it's quite a sweet buddy comedy in the end. i was wondering, do you have to have encyclopaedic knowledge of his back catalogue to get all the jokes? it helps that he is a cult hero for a lot of film fans, and those of the people who will get the absolute most out of this. but still, i would say it's a great comedy to watch in the cinema, laughing along with a lot of people. it's not maybe as clever as adaptation or being john malkovich, it's not that intellectual kind of comedy, but it is very funny, meta, self—referential comedy and he is terrific at sending himself up in this. in the current climate we all need something to laugh about. the second choice, my goodness, a very serious, very different. this is a very impressive debut from a belgian filmmaker. it is set in a school and it's about a young girl who starts going to run ——her brother's school and they have a very sweet relationship at home but at school her brother won't speak to her, it turns out that he is being bullied and she is trying to protect him from the bullies. she being in innocent seven—year—old says i'll go to the teachers, but unfortunately, this only makes things worse for her brother in a very complicated and difficult dynamic ensues in the school, especially when she gets friends they don't want to speak to her brother and it's one of those things that really takes you back to the school days, that feeling of the pit of your stomach. it is all shot from the viewpoint of the young girl and you hardly ever see the adults except when they crouch down to her height. and in terms of how it's made, it's really careful. a remarkable child performances. extraordinary. but, ijust had a knot in my stomach for the entire film and i got to the end of the film and thought this is really clever, but i never want to see this film ever again. i have seen it twice, and it was worth it, for myjob, and it is traumatic, and as an audience member, i probably would hesitate to go but i'm really glad that i saw it, and if it's a subject that interests you, there's also some real—life applications here. the way that adults can believe each other and teenagers can bully each other. there's a lot of political allegory there as well. it's a intelligent film. it is a hard watch, i can't lie about that. it is upsetting. no—one wants to see children struggling especially in a school environment and its clever, very cleverly made, but tough. film number three, happening. french director audrey diwan was nominated for a bafta for this film, and it is based on an autobiographical novel by annie erneaux set in the 19605 about a young girl who is a very bright student who wants to become a writer she has lots of promise and having a great time, she goes to the doctor and gets the news that she is fearing. my goodness, that scene is so pivotal because as the early 60s and watching it here in 2022 and the claustrophobia again, this woman has no way out because of the law. and the writing so brilliant in this, there is a line where she says she has an illness that strikes only women and turns them into housewives. the predicament that she is in is that no—one will help her. they could end up in prison. and i think that puts a real ticking clock in this film. it is almost a thriller because you are with her every step of the way trying to see this rather desperate journey that she is on which does have some modern—day relevance, i think, and it's a beautiful performance and again, not an easy subject to deal with but i find it very compelling to watch especially knowing that it's inspired by a true story. it is a hard watch as a woman and she's at university and some of those women that she's in her literature lectures with are among those with the least helpful to her. you think where is the female solidarity? that's the heartbreaking aspect. it is set it up as having a great camaraderie, and a lovely bond, and i just felt that what this film is saying is that the law is turning these women against each other and making it so they can not even help each other. and it ends up being a film about loneliness, a very social young woman is ending up with nobody to turn to. very powerful film. very powerful film, and of its time, this is in the early 60s, a really interesting film. two really claustrophobic films in a row there but very striking. best out? a bit lighter — the lost city. this is sandra bullock and channing tatum in a jungle cruise type of adventure. she is a romance writer who is kidnapped and he goes after her to rescue her. and he is her cover model and she is the writer. a lot of various issues and bits of action and brad pitt makes a very funny appearance. does he? oh, yes. i've seen a few clips that have left me bemused, really. i thought ooh, quite like sandra bullock but i have no idea what's going on. the plot is not the main thing, it's more about the comedy. if you like movies like romancing the stone, with the smart repartee between the warring couple, and also flips some of the gender cliches in that. and sandra bullock in an incredible suit, she is very funny. very enjoyable. it is a light watch but if you want something that is a bit of escapism and a glamourous location with steady stream of laughs i think this movie has it. we all need something to make us smile at the moment. and on dvds amd streaming is an interesting choice this week. drive my car is a tremendous one. by the japanese film that won the oscar for best international feature. an extraordinary story and to cut it short, it's about a female chauffeur driving around an actor and director, but there's a lot to this film than that. it's all about grief, about family, it's about loss and about coming to terms with communication with the lack of communication that we have with the people close to us, fascinating film. there's something very calming about watching it even though is a lot of — visually calming, even though there's a lot of turmoil in his head and dealing with grief, and i went into it is people might because it's very long. but, goodness, does not feel it. it does not feel it and that is a testament to it, i think. definitely , one of the few three—hourfilms and i'm glad i watched, and it earned every minute of those three hours in because that lushly place that you're talking about. you feel very comforted by it and it is invested in it. yes, really. really beautifully made, isn't it? it is a curious film but really interesting. thank you very much indeed, real mixed bag today and that's always a good thing. thank you so much for being with us and enjoy your cinemagoing, whatever you choose to go and see this week. see you next time. goodbye. good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and ben thompson. our headlines today: calls for the united nations to intervene in the war in ukraine, and help evacuate tens of thousands of people from the besieged city of mariupol. the parents of madeleine mccann welcome the news that a german man has been formally made a suspect, over their daughter's disappearance 15 years ago. after the final bid to win support, emmanuel macron and marine le pen urge the people of france to get out and vote in tomorrow's presidential election. in sport, there's a blockbuster night ahead at wembley as tyson fury and dillian whyte get set to face off in the all—british world heavyweight title bout in front of more than 90,000 fans. photos of a trip to the beach to mark prince louis' fourth birthday — the pictures were taken by his mother, the duchess of cambridge. good morning. it is st george's day come up with a lot of fine weather for the uk today. but notjust for today but the next seven days with a dry looking into april. but more details on whether you may catch one of our fairly elusive showers in the next 48 hours coming up. good morning. it's saturday 23rd april. the united nations is being urged to step in and help evacuate tens of thousands of people currently trapped in the ukrainian city of mariupol. the country's deputy prime minister told the bbc an evacuation would only succeed with the united nation's help. the head of the un is due to meet both president zelensky and vladimir putin next week. president zelensky claims moscow is intending to invade other countries, as simonjones reports. underattack, ukraine's second city, kharkiv. russia's assault is intensifying. the dangers are clear. despite the destruction, some residents are determined to stay. we are going to fight. to fight as long as it is needed for the victory. fresh attempts are being made to get civilians out of mariupol. 100,000 people are still thought to be trapped there. ukraine's deputy prime minister says the evacuation will only succeed with the help of the un. translation: un right now 'ust observes what is happening h in mariupol, and if the world unites and demands that this evacuation happens, only then it can happen. to try to halt the fighting, the head of the un will travel to moscow on tuesday for talks with president putin before going to kyiv to meet president zelensky on thursday. there is a mood of urgency. these satellite images are said to show a second mass grave on the outskirts of mariupol. this family who've made it to safety say they walked for five days to escape the conflict. translation: we will never forget what happened. - we cannot. but we need to keep our spirits up and raise our children. russia says it has captured an arms depot in the kharkiv region, containing thousands of tons of ammunition. the uk says it's considering expanding military support to kyiv by giving poland tanks to replace those warsaw is sending to ukraine. we're also looking more at what we can do to backfill in countries such as poland who may want to send heavier weaponry to defend — help defend the ukrainians. and the ukrainian president has welcomed another uk commitment. translation: i am grateful to our british friends - for the importance symbolic decision announced today to return the embassy to kyiv. the united kingdom became 21st country to return a diplomatic mission to our capital, and this shows that we're not the only ones who believe in the victory of life over death. russia has, for the first time, admitted that at least one crew member died when its black sea flagship moskva sank last week. 27 others are unaccounted for. ukraine says it struck the vessel with missiles. moscow has blamed the sinking on a fire. there's claim and counterclaim. but president zelensky says the attack on ukraine is only the beginning, and that russia intends to invade other countries. simon jones, bbc news. our reporterjoe inwood is in kyiv. good morning, joe. we were talking about this yesterday, the idea of safe passage and how the safe corridors haven't worked, really. is there any kind of, i think this is normal frozen there any kind of, i think this is normalfrozen some there any kind of, i think this is normal frozen some sensors, light at the end of the tunnel for those trapped? the end of the tunnel for those tra ed? , , , ., the end of the tunnel for those traued? , , , ., ., ., trapped? -- senses. you heard from the deputy — trapped? -- senses. you heard from the deputy prime — trapped? -- senses. you heard from the deputy prime minister— trapped? -- senses. you heard from the deputy prime minister who - trapped? -- senses. you heard from the deputy prime minister who said. the deputy prime minister who said the deputy prime minister who said the united nations is going to be the united nations is going to be the root — the united nations is going to be the root out. they were contradictory statements from her because _ contradictory statements from her because yesterday she also announced that there _ because yesterday she also announced that there might be some hope for humanitarian corridors today. so there _ humanitarian corridors today. so there is — humanitarian corridors today. so there is an — humanitarian corridors today. so there is an option other than the united _ there is an option other than the united nations, it seems, and we have _ united nations, it seems, and we have also— united nations, it seems, and we have also heard from the city council — have also heard from the city council this morning by their telegram channel that at 12 o'clock local time, — telegram channel that at 12 o'clock local time, ten o'clock in the uk, that there — local time, ten o'clock in the uk, that there could be a humanitarian corridor— that there could be a humanitarian corridor being open, with some buses coming _ corridor being open, with some buses coming out _ corridor being open, with some buses coming out. but we have heard that before, _ coming out. but we have heard that before, and — coming out. but we have heard that before, and we will only believe it when _ before, and we will only believe it when we — before, and we will only believe it when we see it. in before, and we will only believe it when we see it.— when we see it. in terms of the feelins when we see it. in terms of the feelings we _ when we see it. in terms of the feelings we were _ when we see it. in terms of the feelings we were talking - when we see it. in terms of the feelings we were talking about | feelings we were talking about yesterday, the feeling of resistance continuing, we talk to skichko, whose brother was saying that the resistance will continue. is that feeling still there?— feeling still there? yes, absolutely. _ feeling still there? yes, absolutely. we - feeling still there? yes, absolutely. we said - feeling still there? yes, absolutely. we said this feeling still there? yes, _ absolutely. we said this yesterday, but the _ absolutely. we said this yesterday, but the fires, resistance, that is the feeling in phrase that underlines the response. people assume — underlines the response. people assume that russia were a superior force _ assume that russia were a superior force but— assume that russia were a superior force but they have been overcome time and _ force but they have been overcome time and again. the resistance in the place — time and again. the resistance in the place we have seen this sternest resistance _ the place we have seen this sternest resistance is invariable. we believe that the _ resistance is invariable. we believe that the fighters are still trapped in the _ that the fighters are still trapped in the steelworks, certainly not surrendering, but the russians have moved _ surrendering, but the russians have moved from assault to starvation, so it remains— moved from assault to starvation, so it remains to — moved from assault to starvation, so it remains to be seen how long resistance _ it remains to be seen how long resistance continue. but in the east — resistance continue. but in the east. we — resistance continue. but in the east, we have seen heavy shelling and bombardment in the donbas, but ukrainian _ and bombardment in the donbas, but ukrainian forces are holding on there. — ukrainian forces are holding on there. too _ ukrainian forces are holding on there. too-— ukrainian forces are holding on there, too. ., ,, . ., ~ there, too. thank you, joe. we will seak in there, too. thank you, joe. we will speak in the _ there, too. thank you, joe. we will speak in the next _ there, too. thank you, joe. we will speak in the next hour. _ there, too. thank you, joe. we will speak in the next hour. joe - there, too. thank you, joe. we will speak in the next hour. joe inwood| speak in the next hour. joe inwood in care. —— here. —— kyiv. madeleine mccann's parents say they welcome the news from portuguese police that a german man has been formally made a suspect over their daughter's disappearance in 2007. kate and gerry mccann said it reflected progress in the investigation and that they still hoped to be reunited with madeleine, who was three when she went missing on a family holiday to the algarve. our correspondent, jon kay, sent this report from praia da luz. her face and name are known around the world, but what happened to madeleine remains a mystery. it was on 3 may 2007 that she vanished from the mccanns' holiday apartment in praia da luz — the moment her family's lives changed forever. please give our little girl back. portuguese prosecutors announced that they'd declared a new "arguido", or formal suspect in the case. it's understood to be this man, christian brueckner. the 45—year—old is currently in prison in germany for rape and drugs offences. he's known to have been living in portugal around the time madeleine disappeared, and german investigators say mobile phone records place him in praia da luz. but he has denied any involvement in the mccann case and has not been charged. the last decade and a half have seen many potential breakthroughs come and go. madeleine disappeared from her family's apartment while her parents were dining at a restaurant in the complex, and in the early days of the investigation, the portuguese authorities made kate and gerry mccann official suspects, but that status was later withdrawn. injuly 2013, the uk's metropolitan police reviewed the case, saying they had new witnesses and new evidence and they searched areas close to where madeleine was last seen. it was injune 2020 that german police said they'd identified a prisoner as a suspect. next month, it will be 15 years since madeleine was reported missing, and under portuguese law, it's not possible for someone to be given arguido status after 15 years. but the authorities here say the move was not driven by timing, but by what they call "strong indications" of the practice of a crime. so 15 years after the mccanns came to this resort on the holiday, kate and gerry mccann have issued a statement cautiously welcoming this latest development, saying it is potentially a sign of progress. and saying that they still have the hope that one day they might be reunited with madeleine. jon kay, bbc news, on the algarve. as the prime minister returns from a trip to india this morning having moved a step closer to agreeing to a new trade deal, things are looking to get home. the new trade deal, things are looking to get home-— to get home. the trip has been overshadowed _ to get home. the trip has been overshadowed by _ to get home. the trip has been overshadowed by the _ to get home. the trip has been i overshadowed by the controversy to get home. the trip has been - overshadowed by the controversy over lockdown parties in london. our political correspondent jonathan blakejoins us now. the premise is hailing this is a post—brexit success story, but there is controversy about the parties? good morning, yes, there is. if the pm was— good morning, yes, there is. if the pm was hoping to return having reasserted this authority as prime minister. — reasserted this authority as prime minister, shifted the narrative so that everyone was focused on this efforts— that everyone was focused on this efforts to — that everyone was focused on this efforts to get a trade deal with india _ efforts to get a trade deal with india and — efforts to get a trade deal with india and the uk's response to the war in_ india and the uk's response to the war in ukraine, meaning erin had mostly— war in ukraine, meaning erin had mostly forgotten about the saga of partygate, he will be disappointed. he has— partygate, he will be disappointed. he has tackled some substantial issues _ he has tackled some substantial issues while in india, but i don't think— issues while in india, but i don't think is— issues while in india, but i don't think is returning to mortal political— think is returning to mortal political danger, despite a couple more _ political danger, despite a couple more conservative mps coming out publicly— more conservative mps coming out publicly in — more conservative mps coming out publicly in the last few days saying that he _ publicly in the last few days saying that he should go, the slightly chaotic— that he should go, the slightly chaotic scenes in parliament on thursday— chaotic scenes in parliament on thursday when the government withdrew its attempts to delay a parliamentary inquiry into the prime minister's _ parliamentary inquiry into the prime minister's conduct. the fundamentals, if you like, are still the same — fundamentals, if you like, are still the same. there is not an obvious successor— the same. there is not an obvious successor to — the same. there is not an obvious successor to borisjohnson now and i think— successor to borisjohnson now and i think most— successor to borisjohnson now and i think most tory mps are biding their time and _ think most tory mps are biding their time and waiting for results of at least _ time and waiting for results of at least the — time and waiting for results of at least the local elections in a couple — least the local elections in a couple of weeks before making any moves _ couple of weeks before making any moves. ~ , ,., y couple of weeks before making any moves. ~ , , ., ~ couple of weeks before making any moves. ~ , , . ~ ,. campaigning has ended in france's presidential election, with both candidates urging people to get out and vote tomorrow. the poll is expected to be the closest ever run—off between president emmanuel macron, and his far—right rival marine le pen. our correspondent lucy williamson has been following the candidates during the final days on the campaign trail. it's a bit late for tips on how to land a punch on his opponent. after five divisive years in power, what emmanuel macron needs is to persuade voters who'd quite like to punch him to give him their vote instead. florentine and chloe are both teachers here in the suburbs of paris. they voted for mr macron last time. now, they've come to give him a hard time. le pen isjust...huge disaster, but macron is still a disaster, i think, for school and for the service—public, ah, for public service in france. he's killing that, step by step. chloe gets close enough to shout her question on teacher's pay. "do you think teachers are lazy?" she asks. through the scrum, macron grips her hand and locks in her vote. translation: he gripped my hand and said, "we're going to do something about that, "i promise." so, i will vote for him, but i want something in return. truck horn honks there's a real choice on sunday about where france is heading. marine le pen is promising huge tax cuts and to "take back control". emmanuel macron wants a global nation set on economic reform. divisions here are deepening with every election cycle and voters are now split between two radically different views of the world — with one candidate presenting herself as the spokeswoman of the people, and the other saying he's protecting france from her. dylan says he voted far left in the first round of this election. on sunday, he's voting far right. translation: it's not that i like the idea of voting - for marine le pen, but we have to choose between the two, and when you're choosing between cholera and the plague, you choose the lesser of two evils. crowd chanting at herfinal rally, here in arras, marine le pen said voters should choose her to block mr macron. both say the other is dangerous. both spark loyalty in their own fans and loathing in those of their rival. but most voters belong to neither camp, and in this battle over france's future, they're being asked to choose a side. lucy williamson, bbc news, paris. a p&o ferry that was held over safety concerns, has been cleared to sail by the maritime and coastguard agency. the spirit of britain was one of the ferries detained after p&o replaced nearly 800 staff with cheaper agency workers in march. the mca say another ship, the european highlander, still has a "small number of deficiencies" which must be fixed before it's allowed to sail again. new photographs of prince louis have been released today to mark his fourth birthday. the pictures were taken earlier this month by his mother, the duchess of cambridge. they show louis, who is the youngest of william and catherine's three children, enjoying a trip to the beach, smiling and holding a cricket ball whilst on a family trip to norfolk. it is saturday and of course on saturday we are joined by our regular covid panel, chris and linda, and one of the great things about that is that no question as to task. because things change, the testing availability has changed, the rules have changed, the way we test, the rules around whether or not you need to test or isolate, if you test positive. do you have any questions? get in touch via e—mail and we will put them to chris and linda at around 9:10am. email at bbcbreakfast@bbc.co.uk or tweet using the hashtag #bbcbreakfast. i have a question for susan who is taking a look at the weather. earlier you are saying if you want to get out to the garden, and whether or not it would be good in terms of working in the garden, and itjust made me think, have you got green fingers? i itjust made me think, have you got green fingers?— green fingers? i like to think i have but i _ green fingers? i like to think i have but i am _ green fingers? i like to think i have but i am never— green fingers? i like to think i have but i am never quite - green fingers? i like to think i l have but i am never quite sure. green fingers? i like to think i i have but i am never quite sure. i green fingers? i like to think i - have but i am never quite sure. i do like going out in the garden but it is hit and miss and i think i have a lot of gardening enemies, pigeons and slugs take everything. it is the slus, and slugs take everything. it is the slugs. isn't — and slugs take everything. it is the slugs. isn't it- _ you only need like one good lettuce leaf to make you feel good. {30 you only need like one good lettuce leaf to make you feel good.- leaf to make you feel good. go for bulk is the — leaf to make you feel good. go for bulk is the only _ leaf to make you feel good. go for bulk is the only answer. _ leaf to make you feel good. go for bulk is the only answer. good - bulk is the only answer. good weather for _ bulk is the only answer. good weather for gardeners? - bulk is the only answer. good weather for gardeners? good | bulk is the only answer. good - weather for gardeners? good weather fori ettini weather for gardeners? good weather forgetting on — weather for gardeners? good weather forgetting on the _ weather for gardeners? good weather forgetting on the garden, _ weather for gardeners? good weather forgetting on the garden, but - weather for gardeners? good weather forgetting on the garden, but i - weather for gardeners? good weather forgetting on the garden, but i am - forgetting on the garden, but i am trying to get some stuff going at the moment and watering is what we have to turn do now is because it has been dry for the uk for much of april, this is the cows lying down, from old wives tale that would imply there is some rain coming, but that is not the case. we have been looking at this through the course of the morning, this is the rainfall for the next seven days, the rest of april, and yes the map is blue but thatis april, and yes the map is blue but that is the rainfall accumulation, a couple of millimetres, and because we're only to get the odd shower allowing us to see any rainfall coming across the uk, we have no solid weather fronts coming in, no guaranteed smell of a good inch or so of rain for any areas, and that is because high—pressure is sitting to the north of the uk. gardeners and growers have to be careful when high—pressure, it can lead with light winds and clear skies to have a tendency of frost, but we have a keen easterly at the moment which has been holding the temperatures up overnight stop that easterly wind direction, the squeeze in the isobars is due to the high butting up isobars is due to the high butting up against a big area of low pressure further south across the continent. cloud pushing across england and wales, keeping things cooler along the north sea coast, a bank of cloud to the north of the uk as well, affecting the northern isles of scotland, drifting down. over the course of the day in the sheltered western regions we could see up to 15, 16 or 17 degrees. the north sea coast, 12 and 13 on the map, but perhapsjust 11 in some spots. overnight isobars open up, lighter winds for eastern scotland, a few pockets of frost here first thing this morning, could be the same story again first thing sunday and a little more cloud around here holding the temperatures just above freezing. certainly for sunday a lot of fine weather once again, a greater chance of a few showers in the south—west of england sunday afternoon, the odd one coming into the north—east of england. but overall a lot of fine weather around to bring the weekend to a close and top temperatures 15—16. that high stays with us into next week, the only difference will be that we could start to pull in our airfrom a northerly direction, so a slightly cooler feel to things as we go through next week.— cooler feel to things as we go through next week. cooler but dry. thank you- — health officials are investigating over 100 cases of hepatitis in children in the uk, which has lead to eight children having liver transplants since the start of the year. experts say it is increasingly likely that a virus which causes flu symptoms could be the cause. dr susan hopkins, from the uk health security agencyjoins us now. thank you for being with us this morning. as we said the investigation is currently under way but do we know anymore about what causing this?— causing this? thank you for asking me to speak— causing this? thank you for asking me to speak about _ causing this? thank you for asking me to speak about this. _ causing this? thank you for asking me to speak about this. we - causing this? thank you for asking me to speak about this. we are i me to speak about this. we are seeing acute hepatitis, and implicate —— inflammation of the liver in young children from a particular 1— five —year—olds, with some small numbers of cases in the older children age group. the most common infection we have detected so far is adenovirus, and out of samples that have been tested the adenovirus... almost 80% of samples that have been tested the adenovirus. .. almost 80% of them samples that have been tested the adenovirus... almost 80% of them are positive for this virus. it is a common virus, it causes two main types of mild illness in the main in children, upper respiratory tract infections with symptoms a bit like covid, or a gastroenteritis type of illness as with a bit of diarrhoea, tummy bug symptoms. it is probably a variation of the strain that causes the tummy bug that is most likely to be implicated in the hepatitis, because they are different strains of this adenovirus around, but we are continuing to make sure there is not another causes it's a another virus interacting, notjust covid but any of the other viruses that circulate in children, but there isn't an anna meares response change such as children haven't been exposed for a number of years because of the social restrictions that have been in place, and that is causing a different immune response. of course also that the virus itself hasn't changed over the last couple of years. hasn't changed over the last couple of ears. ., , hasn't changed over the last couple of ears. . , . ., of years. clearly so much to investigate, _ of years. clearly so much to investigate, quite _ of years. clearly so much to investigate, quite a - of years. clearly so much to - investigate, quite a complicated problem isn't it. as we said 108 cases currently under investigation, to put that into context, how many would you normally be seeing, and maybe a bit about why this is so unusual? so maybe a bit about why this is so unusual? 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'::j~..,, ,., , unusual? so the 108 cases are cases where children _ unusual? so the 108 cases are cases where children with _ unusual? so the 108 cases are cases where children with this _ unusual? so the 108 cases are cases where children with this syndrome i where children with this syndrome are... inaudible and those cases are being reported to us by clinicians directly. if we look at transplants, that gives us a firmer number, we have aid transplants in children aged 1— five 88 transplants. that is more like the number we would normally see in a whole year. that means we are seeing three to four times that number of severe liver disease in this age group compared to what we have seen over the last five years in this age group. ibshd five years in this age group. and ou five years in this age group. and you touch _ five years in this age group. and you touch on _ five years in this age group. and you touch on all _ five years in this age group. and you touch on all the _ five years in this age group. and you touch on all the investigations currently under way, people will be concerned about whether there is a covid connection. just elaborate on that, i know you have touched on it already. is there a potential that these are linked, could it be the same thing that is causing covid? first of all we have done a number of things to look at this. none of the children have been vaccinated, actually in the age group that are not yet recommended for any vaccines. so clearly no vaccine link. secondly we have looked to see how many children are co— infected with covid, or have had infection with covid, or have had infection with covid, or have had infection with covid, and at the present time the numbers are there, they are present, but they look at similar levels of what we would expect based on the population survey. so we are seeing similar levels of covid as in the population, so not seeing and out of proportion association with this hepatitis. and actually are much less number than we have seen with adenovirus, probably overall between 15— 20% have been infected with covid. we have also looked at those, we have genetic sequences of covid and we are seeing the same sequences circulating in the population. we are now also looking at the immune response to those that have had covid infection. we are seeing other virus infections as well in these children, so normal viruses like we would see circulate in children of this age as well, as part of the coinfection. so covid just seems to be part of that rather than separate at present. but we will continue to look at it in more detail. ,., ., will continue to look at it in more detail. ., ., will continue to look at it in more detail. ., . ., will continue to look at it in more detail. ., ., ., , will continue to look at it in more detail. ., ., ., detail. good to have that clarity on mount, because _ detail. good to have that clarity on mount, because i— detail. good to have that clarity on mount, because i imagine - detail. good to have that clarity on mount, because i imagine many i detail. good to have that clarity on - mount, because i imagine many people will be concerned this morning. and if you are a parent watching this, what should you be looking out for with your children? has what should you be looking out for with your children?— with your children? as always we recommend _ with your children? as always we recommend that _ with your children? as always we recommend that parents - with your children? as always we recommend that parents have i with your children? as always we i recommend that parents have their children perform good hand hygiene, especially because this is the one that causes the gastroenteritis illness, when they go to the toilet make sure they wash their hands, because that will reduce spreading it to others. the second is that like with anything, if your child is unwell, if the gastroenteritis or other illnesses, make sure to keep them well hydrated, keep fluids into them, as much water as possible, because that will. .. them, as much water as possible, because that will... inaudible toxins that might be associated with this. and also finally, the particular symptoms we are looking at in hepatitis, when you get to this point, you might get itchy skin, you can be off yourfood, logic and not hungry, and then of course the jaundice of simpson which is the yellow eyes, yellow skin, and the urine can become darker. —— jaundice symptoms. you should call your doctor or 111 immediately and seek medical advice, because hydration can help prevent the jaundice, but the main things we can do for things like adenovirus are symptomatic which means keeping the child hydrated and making sure they are able to recover well.— are able to recover well. good, iractical are able to recover well. good, practical advice, _ are able to recover well. good, practical advice, thank - are able to recover well. good, practical advice, thank you. i are able to recover well. good, practical advice, thank you. dr| are able to recover well. good, i practical advice, thank you. dr suga hopkins, chief medical advisor at the uk chief medical agency. —— dr susan hopkins. russian forces continue to bombard forces in the south—west of the country. the opera house in odesa has reopened for rehearsals and other reformers have now found new ways to bring art back to life. caroline davis reports now from odesa. surrounded by sandbags, odesa's opera house, the pride of the city has stood empty since the start of the war. closed to visitors, even light in its auditorium having been switched on for two months. idaho? switched on for two months. now unfortunately. — switched on for two months. now unfortunately, it _ switched on for two months. now unfortunately, it is _ switched on for two months. iirm-in unfortunately, it is empty, nobody dances here, nobody singing... this man has been _ dances here, nobody singing... this man has been part of a small team but has kept an eye on the building. the theatre is the heart of our city, and this is the heart of culture in ukraine, ifeel a big emptiness. culture in ukraine, i feel a big emptiness-— culture in ukraine, i feel a big em-tiness. ., , emptiness. the opera's ballet troupe have returned _ emptiness. the opera's ballet troupe have returned to _ emptiness. the opera's ballet troupe have returned to rehearse _ emptiness. the opera's ballet troupe have returned to rehearse for - emptiness. the opera's ballet troupe have returned to rehearse for the i have returned to rehearse for the first time. but they don't have long to stretch and practice —— a practice air raid drill means they must head to the bunker. julia had been preparing for the world premiere of a new ukrainian opera. now she seems to injured soldiers in military hospitals. now she seems to in'ured soldiers in military hospitals.— now she seems to in'ured soldiers in military hospitals. translation: we need to end this _ military hospitals. translation: we need to end this war _ military hospitals. translation: we need to end this war and _ military hospitals. translation: we need to end this war and then - military hospitals. translation: we| need to end this war and then resume rehearsals and everything else. i hope the fact that the theatre will work is a sign that the war is close to the end. but work is a sign that the war is close to the end-— to the end. but across the city, cultural life _ to the end. but across the city, cultural life is _ to the end. but across the city, cultural life is still _ to the end. but across the city, cultural life is still locked i to the end. but across the city, | cultural life is still locked away. in odesa's museum of western and a sonata, the collections have been sent into storage.— sonata, the collections have been sent into storage. translation: we have lost the — sent into storage. translation: we have lost the thing _ sent into storage. translation: we have lost the thing that _ sent into storage. translation: we have lost the thing that gives - sent into storage. translation: we have lost the thing that gives us i have lost the thing that gives us life, and really trying to believe that in the future ukraine will need me with all my knowledge and skills, and i can help rebuild ukraine. odesa is still a city that is prepared for a potential attack, and many other galleries and theatres here have no idea when they will be able to open their again. some are still trying to find a way of bringing art to people here. this performance of a ukrainian play is dedicated to the military. it won't take place on the stage, but underground. the staging is complicated by the bunker�*s pillars and the director has lost some of his cast to the army. but despite the logistics, he refused to give up on the production.— the logistics, he refused to give up on the production. translation: we must show that _ on the production. translation: we must show that culture _ on the production. translation: we must show that culture exists - must show that culture exists despite the war. and as out there exists, it lives. and that we are not afraid of anything. barrass, this is fundamental. iii not afraid of anything. barrass, this is fundamental.— not afraid of anything. barrass, this is fundamental. in the chaos and uncertainty _ this is fundamental. in the chaos and uncertainty of _ this is fundamental. in the chaos and uncertainty of war, - this is fundamental. in the chaos and uncertainty of war, keeping l this is fundamental. in the chaos i and uncertainty of war, keeping the small signs of normal life alive in ukraine has become another act of defiance. good to see some parts of normality returning. it isjust good to see some parts of normality returning. it is just coming good to see some parts of normality returning. it isjust coming up to 7:30am. there is something historic, would you say it is historic? i suppose it has been such a long time since we have seen a massive boxing event. bi]! since we have seen a massive boxing event. �* �* . ., , event. all british heavyweight boxin i . event. all british heavyweight boxing. when _ event. all british heavyweight boxing. when you _ event. all british heavyweight boxing. when you think i i event. all british heavyweight l boxing. when you think i boxing event. all british heavyweight i boxing. when you think i boxing you think— boxing. when you think i boxing you think of— boxing. when you think i boxing you think of the — boxing. when you think i boxing you think of the heavyweights. is best division. — think of the heavyweights. is best division. it— think of the heavyweights. is best division, it garners all the attention, all over the years with the greats — attention, all over the years with the greats. there could potentially be fireworks and other brilliant about — be fireworks and other brilliant about a — be fireworks and other brilliant about a little bit later on. we have been so used _ about a little bit later on. we have been so used to _ about a little bit later on. we have been so used to watching - about a little bit later on. we have been so used to watching boxing l about a little bit later on. we have | been so used to watching boxing at weird times of the night, weird times of the day, because they have been overseas. lag times of the day, because they have been overseas.— been overseas. las vegas or getting u i been overseas. las vegas or getting u- at two been overseas. las vegas or getting up at two or— been overseas. las vegas or getting up at two or in _ been overseas. las vegas or getting up at two or in the _ been overseas. las vegas or getting up at two or in the morning, - been overseas. las vegas or getting up at two or in the morning, we i been overseas. las vegas or getting | up at two or in the morning, we have seen _ up at two or in the morning, we have seen anthony — up at two or in the morning, we have seen anthonyjoshua fighting in saudi _ seen anthonyjoshua fighting in saudi arabia last year, a seen anthonyjoshua fighting in saudi arabia last year, a lot of them — saudi arabia last year, a lot of them are _ saudi arabia last year, a lot of them are in different locations. not really— them are in different locations. not really on _ them are in different locations. not really on home soil. tonight, for more _ really on home soil. tonight, for more than — really on home soil. tonight, for more than 90,000 boxing fans here in the uk _ more than 90,000 boxing fans here in the uk that— more than 90,000 boxing fans here in the uk that they are going to get to be at _ the uk that they are going to get to be at wembley stadium, just behind us, to— be at wembley stadium, just behind us, to watch this pair slug it out, tyson _ us, to watch this pair slug it out, tyson fury— us, to watch this pair slug it out, tyson fury and dyllian whyte. and all british — tyson fury and dyllian whyte. and all british heavyweight world title bout, _ all british heavyweight world title bout, and it is going to be pretty full of— bout, and it is going to be pretty full of fireworks, potentially. however _ full of fireworks, potentially. however it was a really remarkably calm way _ however it was a really remarkably calm way and on friday. both of the fighters _ calm way and on friday. both of the fighters were a lot closer in weight than people expected. tyson fury tipping _ than people expected. tyson fury tipping the scales at 18 stone £8, that was— tipping the scales at 18 stone £8, that was £12 lighter than he was for his last _ that was £12 lighter than he was for his last fight. —— 12lb. but here's nearly— his last fight. —— 12lb. but here's nearly one — his last fight. —— 12lb. but here's nearly one stone heavier than the wbc challenger, dyllian whyte. 94,000 — wbc challenger, dyllian whyte. 94,000 expected at wembley which will be _ 94,000 expected at wembley which will be a _ 94,000 expected at wembley which will be a post—war european record. well the last major heavyweight title fight in the uk saw lennox lewis beat frank bruno in cardiff in 1993 — about 25,000 present that night — and lewis believes this fight is huge and it can only be a good thing for british boxing. this is a big thing for british boxing. you know, last time i boxed frank bruno, it was an outdoor stadium, the roar of the crowd, i still remember it. and now we will get it again with even more people at wembley. this will be terrific. plenty more buildup to that fight here on breakfast later. manchester united travel to face arsenal in the lunch—time kick—off. they need a win after a humiliating 4—0 loss at liverpool midweek and in their pursuit of champions league football next season. defeat to the gunners would leave them six points off fourth place with just four games to go. i don't think that it makes sense to speculate about how likely it still is that we can finish fourth or whatever, it doesn't make sense after a performance like that at liverpool. wejust after a performance like that at liverpool. we just need to make sure that we play far better. this is the only way to deal with it. we need to get the best possible team on the pitch and play in a different way with more conviction, with more confidence. in the championship, luton town can move a step closer to a fairytale return to england's top division this lunchtime. a win against blackpool would all but secure their play off place. huddersfield town will definitely be in the top six. they secured their play off place after a 2—1win against barnsley last night — a result which sees barnsley relegated back to league one. in the women's six nations, scotland are in italy as both teams hope to avoid another defeat and the tournament's wooden spoon. and wales were thrashed 33—5 at cardiff arms park as france continued their 100% record. laure sansus scored two tries in a dominant first half for france and the dominance continued after the break, as the french got a bonus point win to sit top of the standings. now, it's not been the best start to the formula 1 season for lewis hamilton and mercedes and he faces yet another tough day, with the first sprint race of the season. qualifying was chaotic in italy. alex albon's williams caught fire and then carlos sainz in his ferrari crashed out. the latter incident ended hamilton's hopes, as before the action could resume it rained and he was left stuck in the garage. he'll start from 13th with team mate george russell 11th. red bull's max verstappen will start from pole ahead of ferrari's charles leclerc as they look to secure positions for sunday's grand prix. it was hectic. along qualifying. but at the end very happy to be here. it an amazing track. it really punishes you if you make a mistake. you can go on the wall. that is what we like, to make it harder difficult. so very pleased with pole position. emma raducanu's run at the stuttgart open has come to an end, beaten by world number one iga swiatek in the quarter—finals. it was raducanu's first—ever match against a top ten opponent and she put up a good showing, but the in—form swiatek was too strong for her on the clay, winning in straight sets, 6—4, 6—4. now, the initialfindings from a pilot on safe standing in five english football stadiums suggest that it's having a positive impact on fan safety. cardiff city, chelsea, manchester city, manchester united and tottenham are all taking part in the trial commissioned by the government. ken scott is from the sports grounds safety authority and can talk to us now. good morning. isuppose good morning. i suppose firstlyjust explain how it works, how the seats and the railings work for this license for safe standing. ok. and the railings work for this license for safe standing. 0k, we saw expressions _ license for safe standing. 0k, we saw expressions of _ license for safe standing. 0k, we saw expressions of interest - license for safe standing. 0k, we saw expressions of interest from | saw expressions of interest from clubs looking to install barriers or seats and rails. the idea was that they would have to comply with 16 early adopter criteria. fundamental and that was that for the integrity of the competition there should be rails installed for both home and away and on the understanding that it was one seat for one sending place, so no increase in the overall capacity of the grounds. the five clubs that we are now working with where those that came and met all the 16 criteria and we have been working with them since the advent of the ability to do this from the 1 january this year. and that will continue to the end of the season. can, if somebody goes to a football match or they will walk to the seeker walk into one of these areas, so there is a railing in front and you can put that up or down and that is not allowed to be lost, is it? what have you found that that has given? i5 what have you found that that has riven? , ,., what have you found that that has riven? , , ., given? is the safe standing in the seated area- _ given? is the safe standing in the seated area. so _ given? is the safe standing in the seated area. so this _ given? is the safe standing in the seated area. so this is _ given? is the safe standing in the seated area. so this is a - given? is the safe standing in the seated area. so this is a return i given? is the safe standing in thej seated area. so this is a return to terracing. we do find that during halftime people like to sit down to rest themselves. the other important point is that we would like to think that through the smart sale of tickets that those who cannot stand for 90 minutes can still attend within the group of fans but can take seats towards the front so they can set when they want to sit. this applies to children and families that would want to sit at the front of the crowd. that would want to sit at the front of the crowd-— that would want to sit at the front of the crowd. what have you found from these — of the crowd. what have you found from these findings, _ of the crowd. what have you found from these findings, then, - of the crowd. what have you found from these findings, then, ken? . of the crowd. what have you found from these findings, then, ken? i| from these findings, then, ken? i think the good thing is that we found that they reinforce the research we carried out earlier, that the introduction of the rails has enhanced the safety of people who are standing in areas which frankly are not designed for people to stand in. so it is good that we found that, that it is reinforced our belief. the other bit is that we're finding out from interviews with fans that it is enhancing their spectator experience. so they are very much enjoyed the ability to be to do this without a steward walking up to do this without a steward walking up and down and asking them at frequent intervals to sit down and they seat again.— frequent intervals to sit down and they seat again. thank you, ken. we know it is an — they seat again. thank you, ken. we know it is an interim _ they seat again. thank you, ken. we know it is an interim finding. - they seat again. thank you, ken. we know it is an interim finding. we - know it is an interim finding. we will wait on a decision, full decision from the government, but ken scott, thank you very much for joining us there. interesting in terms of the fan experience. i am la . i terms of the fan experience. i am iazy- i am — terms of the fan experience. i am iazy- i am really _ terms of the fan experience. i am lazy. i am really pleased - terms of the fan experience. i —n lazy. i am really pleased that you can still sit down.— lazy. i am really pleased that you can still sit down. yes, the option. but ou can still sit down. yes, the option. but you won't _ can still sit down. yes, the option. but you won't see _ can still sit down. yes, the option. but you won't see much _ can still sit down. yes, the option. but you won't see much if - can still sit down. yes, the option. l but you won't see much if everybody wants to stand but i quite enjoyed sitting. wants to stand but i quite en'oyed sittina. ., ., , ., sitting. you need to use that bar in front to pull _ sitting. you need to use that bar in front to pull yourself _ sitting. you need to use that bar in front to pull yourself up. _ sitting. you need to use that bar in front to pull yourself up. i'm - sitting. you need to use that bar in front to pull yourself up. i'm not i front to pull yourself up. i'm not that lazy. _ front to pull yourself up. i'm not that lazy. thank _ front to pull yourself up. i'm not that lazy, thank you _ front to pull yourself up. i'm not that lazy, thank you very - front to pull yourself up. i'm not that lazy, thank you very much! | front to pull yourself up. i'm not. that lazy, thank you very much! it is also an important point that a lot of— is also an important point that a lot of people go to matches and in certain— lot of people go to matches and in certain areas, you know, there are seeds— certain areas, you know, there are seeds there — certain areas, you know, there are seeds there but a lot of people would — seeds there but a lot of people would stand for the duration. so the view has _ would stand for the duration. so the view has to— would stand for the duration. so the view has to not be impeded in this if you _ view has to not be impeded in this if you are — view has to not be impeded in this if you are standing up or sitting down — if you are standing up or sitting down. so— if you are standing up or sitting down. , if you are standing up or sitting down, , , , if you are standing up or sitting down. , , , ., ., this down. so this is 'ust a trial? this is 'ust a down. so this is 'ust a trial? this isjust a trail. — down. so this is 'ust a trial? this isjust a trail, it _ down. so this isjust a trial? this isjust a trail, it has _ down. so this isjust a trial? this isjust a trail, it has been - down. so this isjust a trial? this isjust a trail, it has been in - isjust a trail, it has been in since — isjust a trail, it has been in since january, when it started. the government— since january, when it started. the government will make a decision down the line _ government will make a decision down the line. there are concerns considering the history, hillsborough, and that. so there is sensitivity— hillsborough, and that. so there is sensitivity around it. —— hillsboro. thank— sensitivity around it. —— hillsboro. thank you— sensitivity around it. —— hillsboro. thank you very much. you may have noticed that spring has sprung. the national trust is calling this blossom day. to sprung. the national trust is calling this blossom day. to tell us more is anna _ calling this blossom day. to tell us more is anna crystal _ calling this blossom day. to tell us more is anna crystal from - calling this blossom day. to tell us more is anna crystal from quarry l more is anna crystalfrom quarry bank national trust. good morning to you. and to see the blossom to. why is it so good this year? i you. and to see the blossom to. why is it so good this year?— is it so good this year? i think we had a very _ is it so good this year? i think we had a very mild — is it so good this year? i think we had a very mild winter— is it so good this year? i think we had a very mild winter this - is it so good this year? i think we had a very mild winter this year l is it so good this year? i think we i had a very mild winter this year and a really gentle start to spring. a little bit of frost in march, but we are really hopeful after a disappointing year last year that this year's blossom display is going to be really strong. 50 this year's blossom display is going to be really strong.— to be really strong. so what is that one? i'm useless _ to be really strong. so what is that one? i'm useless at _ to be really strong. so what is that one? i'm useless at identifying - one? i'm useless at identifying blossoms. cherry blossom, i guess, because it is common and pink. what is that one behind you? this because it is common and pink. what is that one behind you?— is that one behind you? this is one of our appleblossom _ is that one behind you? this is one of our appleblossom drive - is that one behind you? this is one of our appleblossom drive trees. l is that one behind you? this is one l of our appleblossom drive trees. we are apple _ of our appleblossom drive trees. we are apple gardens. we had the apple orchards. _ are apple gardens. we had the apple orchards, and many heritage varieties~ _ orchards, and many heritage varieties-— orchards, and many heritage varieties. . ., , ., orchards, and many heritage varieties. ., , varieties. and you want this to be blossom watch _ varieties. and you want this to be blossom watch day. _ varieties. and you want this to be blossom watch day. how - varieties. and you want this to be blossom watch day. how do - varieties. and you want this to be i blossom watch day. how do people varieties. and you want this to be - blossom watch day. how do people get involved in this and what you need from people? or is itjust going out and taking it in? from people? or is it 'ust going out and taking it in?_ and taking it in? yes, so get out, wherever you _ and taking it in? yes, so get out, wherever you are, _ and taking it in? yes, so get out, wherever you are, if _ and taking it in? yes, so get out, wherever you are, if you - and taking it in? yes, so get out, wherever you are, if you have - wherever you are, if you have blossoms _ wherever you are, if you have blossoms in your back garden, on the street— blossoms in your back garden, on the street where — blossoms in your back garden, on the street where you live, in the city, the countryside, take a photo and share _ the countryside, take a photo and share it _ the countryside, take a photo and share it with us using the hashtag #blossomwatch. we ask everyone to .et #blossomwatch. we ask everyone to get involved and enjoy the beauty of blossom _ get involved and en'oy the beauty of blossom. �* get involved and en'oy the beauty of blossom. . , ., ., blossom. indeed. and where you are, what would — blossom. indeed. and where you are, what would you _ blossom. indeed. and where you are, what would you suggest? _ blossom. indeed. and where you are, what would you suggest? what - blossom. indeed. and where you are, what would you suggest? what would j what would you suggest? what would you suggest they go see if they came to visit you? taste you suggest they go see if they came to visit you?— to visit you? we have lots of wall trained blossoms _ to visit you? we have lots of wall trained blossoms in _ to visit you? we have lots of wall trained blossoms in the - to visit you? we have lots of wall trained blossoms in the upper . trained blossoms in the upper gardens _ trained blossoms in the upper gardens. we have an apprentice house orchard, _ gardens. we have an apprentice house orchard, full— gardens. we have an apprentice house orchard, full of heritage apples and blossom _ orchard, full of heritage apples and blossom trees. the others one we've .ot blossom trees. the others one we've got is _ blossom trees. the others one we've got is from _ blossom trees. the others one we've got is from 1883, which is a whittington welter which have really hi i whittington welter which have really big apples. you only need one and you could — big apples. you only need one and you could have a great apple pie. get to— you could have a great apple pie. get to the — you could have a great apple pie. get to the printer 's house orchard or down— get to the printer 's house orchard or down to — get to the printer 's house orchard or down to see some candy floss bink~ _ or down to see some candy floss ink. , ., .., or down to see some candy floss ink. , . ., ., pink. does it all come out of the same time? _ pink. does it all come out of the same time? there _ pink. does it all come out of the same time? there is _ pink. does it all come out of the same time? there is a - pink. does it all come out of the same time? there is a danger, l pink. does it all come out of the - same time? there is a danger, isn't there, that the trees look amazing and then it is a little bit windy and then it is a little bit windy and it is gone, and it is a one day wonder. is the season longer than just a couple of days?— just a couple of days? yes, absolutely. _ just a couple of days? yes, absolutely. our— just a couple of days? yes, absolutely. our first - just a couple of days? yes, l absolutely. our first blossom just a couple of days? yes, - absolutely. our first blossom came up absolutely. our first blossom came up here, _ absolutely. our first blossom came up here, and apical blossom, on the 1 march, _ up here, and apical blossom, on the 1 march, when the campaign started for the _ 1 march, when the campaign started for the national trust. and really it will— for the national trust. and really it will carry — for the national trust. and really it will carry on going untiljune, july. _ it will carry on going untiljune, july, for— it will carry on going untiljune, july, for the apprentice house orchard — july, for the apprentice house orchard blossom. we encourage people at home, _ orchard blossom. we encourage people at home, if— orchard blossom. we encourage people at home, if you think about planting blossom, _ at home, if you think about planting blossom, think about planting by species _ blossom, think about planting by species and varieties that will blossom _ species and varieties that will blossom at different stages that you have beauty and interest in your garden — have beauty and interest in your garden for— have beauty and interest in your garden for longer. find have beauty and interest in your garden for longer.— have beauty and interest in your garden for longer. and what make ideal conditions, _ garden for longer. and what make ideal conditions, and _ garden for longer. and what make ideal conditions, and are? -- - garden for longer. and what make i ideal conditions, and are? -- anna. ideal conditions, and are? —— anna. pretty much what we had this year, so a gentle — pretty much what we had this year, so a gentle winter with not too much frost and _ so a gentle winter with not too much frost and snow and then a gentle start— frost and snow and then a gentle start to _ frost and snow and then a gentle start to spring. we did experience some _ start to spring. we did experience some frost — start to spring. we did experience some frost in march which did take a hit on _ some frost in march which did take a hit on the _ some frost in march which did take a hit on the magnolias around the country — hit on the magnolias around the country. they went bird, a little brown. — country. they went bird, a little brown. but _ country. they went bird, a little brown, but with magnolias here, they said really— brown, but with magnolias here, they said really well. a bit of shelter, if need _ said really well. a bit of shelter, if need be — said really well. a bit of shelter, if need be we will cover them and protect— if need be we will cover them and protect them, but because spring has been so _ protect them, but because spring has been so mild, we haven't needed to do that— been so mild, we haven't needed to do that this — been so mild, we haven't needed to do that this year.— do that this year. en'oy it. it looks great. h do that this year. en'oy it. it looks great. anna, _ do that this year. enjoy it. it looks great. anna, thank - do that this year. enjoy it. it | looks great. anna, thank you do that this year. enjoy it. it - looks great. anna, thank you for 'oinin: looks great. anna, thank you for joining us- _ looks great. anna, thank you for joining us- do — looks great. anna, thank you for joining us. do you _ looks great. anna, thank you for joining us. do you have - looks great. anna, thank you for joining us. do you have any - looks great. anna, thank you for l joining us. do you have any lovely blossom around where you are this morning? and in your pictures, and we will show them. can get in touch by social media. and it may well be space as you were concerned it is too blustery? i space as you were concerned it is too blustery?— space as you were concerned it is too blustery? i think it sometimes does that, that _ too blustery? i think it sometimes does that, that it _ too blustery? i think it sometimes does that, that it looks _ too blustery? i think it sometimes does that, that it looks great - too blustery? i think it sometimes does that, that it looks great for l too blustery? i think it sometimes does that, that it looks great for a day, but you wanted to last — my dad has amazing blossom trees at home in the garden, and they look great, thenit the garden, and they look great, then it is windy and it is all over then it is windy and it is all over the neighbour's garden. it is the marsh after _ the neighbour's garden. it is the marsh after the _ the neighbour's garden. it is the marsh after the blossom. - the neighbour's garden. it is the marsh after the blossom. and i the neighbour's garden. it is the - marsh after the blossom. and when pavements get really slippery from blossom petals... they do, they get really mushy. i didn't say it was a problem, ijust did it happens. it does happen. why _ problem, ijust did it happens. it does happen. why don't - problem, ijust did it happens. it does happen. why don't you - problem, ijust did it happens. it does happen. why don't you go l problem, ijust did it happens. it - does happen. why don't you go help our dad in does happen. why don't you go help your dad in his _ does happen. why don't you go help your dad in his garden. _ does happen. why don't you go help your dad in his garden. i _ does happen. why don't you go help your dad in his garden. i should - does happen. why don't you go help your dad in his garden. i should do | your dad in his garden. i should do that. it is your dad in his garden. i should do that. n is his — your dad in his garden. i should do that. it is his birthday. _ your dad in his garden. i should do that. it is his birthday. it _ your dad in his garden. i should do that. it is his birthday. it is - your dad in his garden. i should do that. it is his birthday. it is st - that. it is his birthday. it is st george's day. you make happy birthday, dad. it was quite windy, yesterday? birthday, dad. it was quite windy, esterda ? ., . birthday, dad. it was quite windy, yesterday?— birthday, dad. it was quite windy, esterda ? ., ., , ., yesterday? you are spot on with the blossom getting _ yesterday? you are spot on with the blossom getting bashed _ yesterday? you are spot on with the blossom getting bashed around - yesterday? you are spot on with the blossom getting bashed around by l yesterday? you are spot on with the l blossom getting bashed around by the winds, _ blossom getting bashed around by the winds, naga. it looks like my places hosted _ winds, naga. it looks like my places hosted a _ winds, naga. it looks like my places hosted a wedding. i think the easily when _ hosted a wedding. i think the easily when we _ hosted a wedding. i think the easily when we will all notice of the weekend. beautiful sunshine across parts _ weekend. beautiful sunshine across parts of _ weekend. beautiful sunshine across parts of the uk at the moment but there _ parts of the uk at the moment but there is— parts of the uk at the moment but there is also some quite thick banks of cloud _ there is also some quite thick banks of cloud sitting across central england — of cloud sitting across central england across into wales. this is shropshire — england across into wales. this is shropshire currently. even with the cloud _ shropshire currently. even with the cloud there — shropshire currently. even with the cloud there is very little in their way of— cloud there is very little in their way of rainfall promised for the days— way of rainfall promised for the days ahead. it is a rainfall that we have _ days ahead. it is a rainfall that we have seen— days ahead. it is a rainfall that we have seen in months gone by that is help the _ have seen in months gone by that is help the trees to thrive but anyone putting _ help the trees to thrive but anyone putting in— help the trees to thrive but anyone putting in smaller plants at the moment— putting in smaller plants at the moment probably keeping a close eye on the _ moment probably keeping a close eye on the skies. the next seven days, the promised totals a very small. many— the promised totals a very small. many areas with perhaps a few millimetres at best if they catch the odd — millimetres at best if they catch the odd shower. but it isn't a given because _ the odd shower. but it isn't a given because the — the odd shower. but it isn't a given because the showers in some areas williust_ because the showers in some areas willjust mist altogether. very most of the _ willjust mist altogether. very most of the lower end of rainfall accumulations. england and wales have only— accumulations. england and wales have only seen 50% of their april rainfall— have only seen 50% of their april rainfall so— have only seen 50% of their april rainfall so far. the reason it is so dry. _ rainfall so far. the reason it is so dry. high — rainfall so far. the reason it is so dry, high pressure setting to the north— dry, high pressure setting to the north of— dry, high pressure setting to the north of the uk. that is keeping the dry weather largely dominant across the uk _ dry weather largely dominant across the uk. there is a big load to the south _ the uk. there is a big load to the south and — the uk. there is a big load to the south and it— the uk. there is a big load to the south and it may well be the case that we _ south and it may well be the case that we get a few stray showers into southern _ that we get a few stray showers into southern areas through the weekend. but the _ southern areas through the weekend. but the story is dry and the air coming — but the story is dry and the air coming across from the east between those _ coming across from the east between those two _ coming across from the east between those two weather systems is relatively cool of the north sea. the north sea coast today perhaps a little more _ the north sea coast today perhaps a little more overcast and certainly on the _ little more overcast and certainly on the cooler side. we will see some more _ on the cooler side. we will see some more cloud _ on the cooler side. we will see some more cloud to my thing, and western reaches _ more cloud to my thing, and western reaches of— more cloud to my thing, and western reaches of england and wales into the afternoon. further east to brighton _ the afternoon. further east to brighton. down the north sea coast in the _ brighton. down the north sea coast in the easterly wind, perhaps just 11 or in the easterly wind, perhaps just it or 12 _ in the easterly wind, perhaps just 11 or 12 degrees. further west, brighter. — 11 or 12 degrees. further west, brighter, bit of shelter, we could io brighter, bit of shelter, we could go up _ brighter, bit of shelter, we could go up to— brighter, bit of shelter, we could go up to 18 — brighter, bit of shelter, we could go up to 18 as a high. overnight saturday— go up to 18 as a high. overnight saturday into sunday, there you go, 'ust saturday into sunday, there you go, just a _ saturday into sunday, there you go, just a risk— saturday into sunday, there you go, just a risk of— saturday into sunday, there you go, just a risk of a shower across southern _ just a risk of a shower across southern counties of england. but by no means— southern counties of england. but by no means downpours. into sunday, again. _ no means downpours. into sunday, again. some — no means downpours. into sunday, again, some showers, most likely in the south—west of england, perhaps one or— the south—west of england, perhaps one or two _ the south—west of england, perhaps one or two in off the north sea for the likes— one or two in off the north sea for the likes of— one or two in off the north sea for the likes of lincolnshire in two parts — the likes of lincolnshire in two parts of — the likes of lincolnshire in two parts of yorkshire. but a lot of dry weather _ parts of yorkshire. but a lot of dry weather was sunny spells to be had there _ weather was sunny spells to be had there still— weather was sunny spells to be had there. still some cloud bothering there. still some cloud bothering the north—east of scotland and along the north—east of scotland and along the east _ the north—east of scotland and along the east coast 's again with temperatures scratching into double figures _ temperatures scratching into double figures. further inland, heisser15— 18 degrees — figures. further inland, heisser15— 18 degrees. into next week, very little _ 18 degrees. into next week, very little changes. this area of high —— low pressure — little changes. this area of high —— low pressure heads off the continent. this shifts us onto the eastern _ continent. this shifts us onto the eastern side of the high, switching the wind _ eastern side of the high, switching the wind direction around from easterly— the wind direction around from easterly to more northerly. we start to tap _ easterly to more northerly. we start to tap into _ easterly to more northerly. we start to tap into arctic air going into the week— to tap into arctic air going into the week ahead. because it will be breezy— the week ahead. because it will be breezy and — the week ahead. because it will be breezy and because we are later in the year— breezy and because we are later in the year over the overnight frost risky— the year over the overnight frost risky should be fairly limited for gardeners and growers going further ahead _ gardeners and growers going further ahead into _ gardeners and growers going further ahead into the week. by day we will notice _ ahead into the week. by day we will notice temperatures sliding away. i think— notice temperatures sliding away. i think we're — notice temperatures sliding away. i think we're probably looking at the mid teens — think we're probably looking at the mid teens at best in the coming five days _ mid teens at best in the coming five days as _ mid teens at best in the coming five days as you — mid teens at best in the coming five days. as you see, very, very little chance _ days. as you see, very, very little chance for— days. as you see, very, very little chance for the majority of us. at those chance for the majority of us. git those average temperatures? chance for the majority of us. at - those average temperatures? averages robabl those average temperatures? averages probably mid-teens. _ those average temperatures? averages probably mid-teens. so _ those average temperatures? averages probably mid-teens. so we _ those average temperatures? averages probably mid-teens. so we are - probably mid—teens. so we are probably— probably mid—teens. so we are probably sitting a few degrees below in the _ probably sitting a few degrees below in the next week. we should be in the mid _ in the next week. we should be in the mid teens, 1516 for this time of year _ the mid teens, 1516 for this time of year 11_ the mid teens, 1516 for this time of year it or— the mid teens, 1516 for this time of year it or 12— the mid teens, 1516 for this time of year. 11 or 12 is a little south. l'm _ year. 11 or 12 is a little south. l'm sure _ year. 11 or 12 is a little south. l'm sure it— year. 11 or 12 is a little south. i'm sure it would cheer up. thank very much. time now for newswatch. hello. welcome to newswatch with me, samira ahmed. the bbc�*s kyiv correspondent tells us about the challenges of reporting from the conflict zone. and, is it accurate to describe marine le pen as the far—right candidate in the french election? the suggestion this week by keir starmer that borisjohnson had criticised the bbc�*s coverage of ukraine, was angrily dismissed by the prime minister and later retracted by the labour leader. it's a sign that while politicians are quite happy to attack the bbc on other subjects, the corporation's coverage of ukraine is so widely respected that criticism of it is seen as beyond the pale. particular praise has been given to the team of reporters on the ground in ukraine. among them, kyiv correspondent james waterhouse. below ground in our bomb shelter the adrenaline has run out, people are visibly tired, visibly upset from everything going on. and when you come up, it is this. empty. and you can feel the tension. moscow has urged people living here to leave, as it lists new targets, but for so many people that is not an option. a former professional rugby player, james waterhouse only arrived for his first foreign in kyiv posting in mid—january. little more than a month later he found himself covering his first war, and in doing so with the approval of viewers. james waterhouse is currently in the uk and will be returning to kyiv, and hejoins me now. thank you so much for coming on newswatch. you have been a bbc reporter for a while, but it's your first time in a war zone. did you feel in danger? it certainly was a nervy time in the first few days of the invasion. when i arrived it was a simmering crisis, but it was the speed in which war descended on notjust kyiv but the whole country. the size of the advance where we saw russian forces moving in from the south, east and north, that really took everyone by surprise, and it was that huge unknown that was pretty difficult to deal with. of course it is dangerous, but it's about the personal level of risk which you are happy with and we have got a high risk team, a bbc team that solely deal with that and our safety which is the biggest priority. and watching you reporting, seeing you wearing your protective clothing, one wonders what sort of training you would have had before going up there? yeah, so the bbc puts on a hostile environment course and they carry out refreshes every couple of years, it happens on an estate and they are actually quite good fun to go on, in a strange way — they talk you through first aid, how to deal with catastrophic bleeding, all the way through to dealing with military checkpoints and other hostile scenarios. but it's not until those lessons and those exercises connect with the real event, that you appreciate them and for example, when war descended, i will neverforget the first day i ventured back out, and it was like emerging from a long night where there were tank defences, mines lined up at the side of the road and there were military checkpoints, often nervy volunteers, armed volunteers who were eager to get your paperwork and find out where you are going, you could see they were searching your name on their phone — and that is when the training kicks in, and then all of a sudden even going out for a simple hit of filming requires a sizeable risk assessment. it is no longerjust a simple journey that we would do in a blink of an eye. obviously sometimes the russians are reporting incidents very differently to how the ukrainians are reporting them — how do you decide what to put into your reports? you are right, it is very difficult. in war, there is also a war of words and a war of information, so you have to treat both sides with a pinch of salt but it was the kremlin that were doing the most twisting of fa cts. and a big feature of this for me, for this conflict was what people were posting online. telegram is the most popular platform there, so people were learning in the bomb shelters what was happening to theirfriends, relatives, hometowns, other parts of the country in real time, and that is what we were seeing as well. and before the likes of me or other correspondence who opened their mouths on camera, there is a lot of work to that point. we would get the latest from bbc monitoring colleagues who would look at the latest news and reports coming from both ukraine and russia and put them into context. we would have a ugc, a user generated content team who would be verifying that footage so we would learn relatively quickly what we could use with confidence. we combined that with eyewitness accounts — so that in totality would give us a clear as possible picture before we could then go and tell it. but of course it is extremely difficult, but you just simply revert to the core principles of ourjournalism, to tell the story in the first place. the ukrainian president has been making these very powerful emotional appeals to the international community — does it make it at all tricky to you to remain impartial? no, i think we would be working for the wrong company if we found that difficult. of course it is gut wrenching to see what this war, and we have to be bright eyed about this — this is an invasion of ukraine by russia. but it is ourjob, we are experienced in this, world leaders give impassioned appeals all the time, but of course it was a distinctive part of this war when president zelensky, he stayed put when many thought he might leave. he had his critics before this war, but he stayed in kyiv. he swapped his designer suit for his military uniform, i think that's one of the many defining features of this conflict — from a storytelling perspective, ourjob is easy. you just convey what the democratically elected ukrainian leader was saying as his country, a european country came under attack. james, thank you so much and i know newswatch viewers would want me to pass on all their goodwill and best wishes to you and all your colleagues out there in kyiv and ukraine. thank you. this weekend sees the run—off vote in the french presidential election to decide whether emmanuel macron stays in the elysee palace or is replaced by marine le pen. some viewers noticed that when the latter�*s name is mentioned on bbc news, it is often accompanied by the same adjective. far—right candidate marine le pen enjoyed a recent rise... the far—right leader marine le pen... ms le pen, who leads the far—right national rally party _ four points behind. david price was one of those who got in touch about this, writing: we put those points to bbc news and they told us: on tuesday, the big news had been the debate in the house of commons prompted by the fine issued to the prime minister for breaking lockdown rules. that evening's outside source on the news channel lead with that story, but only briefly. we will continue our coverage of mrjohnson's statement in parliament and the debate that followed, but let's listen in now tojohnny depp, who is giving evidence as part of a defamation trial that he has brought against his former wife amber heard of allegations of domestic abuse. all i could think of was that those people would think that i was a fraud... ian was unimpressed: finally, when we were off—air last week, bbc news announced the appointment of its new political editor chris mason. it has been a protracted process, it was before christmas laura kuenssberg announced she would be standing down, the position was advertised with an initial deadline of 20 january, then extended to 10 february and chris mason was said at the time to have ruled himself out of the running. subsequently it was widely reported that a short list had emerged of two external female candidates, but then the post was re—advertised internally with a new deadline of 5 april. in response, bbc news told us: in general, the appointment has been warmly applauded with bridget linson describing chris mason as: we've enjoyed speaking to proud yorkshireman chris mason in the past on this programme and we are looking forward to having him on again when he starts his newjob. thank you for all your comments this week. if you want to share your opinions about what you see, read or hear on bbc news, on tv, radio, online and social media, e—mail: and do have a look at previous interviews on our website. that's all from us, we will be back to hear your thoughts on bbc news coverage again next week. goodbye. good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and ben thompson. our headlines today... calls for the united nations to intervene in the war in ukraine, to help evacuate tens of thousands of people from the besieged city of mariupol. the parents of madeleine mccann welcome the news that a german man has been formally made a suspect, over their daughter's disappearance 15 years ago. after a final bid to win support, emmanuel macron and marine le pen urge the people of france to get out and vote in tomorrow's presidential election. in sport, there's a blockbuster night ahead at wembley as tyson fury and dillian whyte get set to face off in the all—british world heavyweight title bout in front of more than 90,000 fans. photos of a trip to the beach to mark prince louis' fourth birthday — the pictures were taken by his mother, the duchess of cambridge. good morning. it is st george's day. a lot of fine weather to come for the uk today but notjust today, it looks like, but the next seven days — a dry looking end to april. more details as to whether you may catch one of our fairly elusive showers over the next 48 hours coming up. it's saturday, 23rd april. the united nations is being urged to step in and help to evacuate tens of thousands of people currently trapped in the ukrainian city of mariupol. the country's deputy prime minister told the bbc an evacuation would only succeed with the united nations' help. the head of the un is due to meet both president zelensky and vladimir putin next week. president zelensky claims russia is intending to invade other countries, as simonjones reports. underattack, ukraine's second city, kharkiv. russia's assault is intensifying. the dangers are clear. despite the destruction, some residents are determined to stay. we are going to fight. to fight as long as it is needed for the victory. fresh attempts are being made to get civilians out of mariupol. 100,000 people are still thought to be trapped there. ukraine's deputy prime minister says the evacuation will only succeed with the help of the un. translation: un right nowjust observes what is happening in mariupol, and if the world unites and demands that this evacuation happens, only then it can happen. to try to halt the fighting, the head of the un will travel to moscow on tuesday for talks with president putin before going to kyiv to meet president zelensky on thursday. there is a mood of urgency. these satellite images are said to show a second mass grave on the outskirts of mariupol. this family, who've made it to safety, say they walked for five days to escape the conflict. translation: we will never forget what happened. we cannot. but we need to keep our spirits up and raise our children. russia says it has captured an arms depot in the kharkiv region, containing thousands of tonnes of ammunition. the uk says it's considering expanding military support to kyiv by giving poland tanks to replace those warsaw is sending to ukraine. we're also looking more at what we can do to backfill in countries such as poland who may want to send heavier weaponry to defend — help defend the ukrainians. and the ukrainian president has welcomed another uk commitment. translation: i am grateful to our british friends for the importance symbolic decision announced today to return the embassy to kyiv. the united kingdom became 21st country to return a diplomatic mission to our capital, and this shows that we're not the only ones who believe in the victory of life over death. russia has, for the first time, admitted that at least one crew member died when its black sea flagship moskva sank last week. 27 others are unaccounted for. ukraine says it struck the vessel with missiles. moscow has blamed the sinking on a fire. there's claim and counterclaim. but president zelensky says the attack on ukraine is only the beginning, and that russia intends to invade other countries. simon jones, bbc news. our reporterjoe inwood is in kyiv. joe, is there hope that people will be able to escape from places like mariupol today? yes, certainly hope more than expectation. yesterday there was the idea that only the year end can help to get people out, maybe she went all the people, the tens of thousands we believe are still stuck in the city of mariupol but there is still some small hope of a humanitarian corridor because after that interview she put a message out on social media saying that there was hope, possibility, that one would happen today and then later today, sorry, this morning, the city council said that as of 12 o'clock local time, ten o'clock your time in the uk, there would be a humanitarian corridor opened from the city of mariupol, but is taking people out to safety, probably to the town of zaporizhzhia, which is in ukrainian territory. but we have heard this before. there was talk a few days ago of a humanitarian corridor. they hope for a thousand people and in the end only four bosses got out so this is one that the people of mariupol will believe when they are notjust on the buses but out of the city limits. this when they are notjust on the buses but out of the city limits.— but out of the city limits. this is a significant _ but out of the city limits. this is a significant weekend _ but out of the city limits. this is a significant weekend for - but out of the city limits. this is a significant weekend for many, orthodox easter weekend, of course, and they will want to be able to mark this, obviously not in the way they have done in recent years, but are they able to? are there any restrictions in place, or is there a chance for them to celebrate? i think it depends where you live. in kyiv, the capital where we are, things are quiet, the streets are quiet, but people are celebrating easter. the main celebration is tomorrow. today, people will bake easter cakes and paint eggs, the traditional thing to do here for orthodox easter. people are going about this, there are displays in shops and we are told tomorrow that there will be services. but of course this is not going to be an easter like it would normally be and if you are in a part of the country which is notjust under siege but under bombardment or occupied, things are going to feel very differently. probably in the west, in lviv, it will be a far more relaxed environment.- in lviv, it will be a far more relaxed environment. joe, and care for us, relaxed environment. joe, and care for us. thank _ relaxed environment. joe, and care for us, thank you, _ relaxed environment. joe, and care for us, thank you, joe _ relaxed environment. joe, and care for us, thank you, joe inwood. -- l relaxed environment. joe, and care| for us, thank you, joe inwood. -- in for us, thank you, joe inwood. —— in kyiv for us. madeleine mccann's parents say they welcome the news from portuguese police that a german man has been formally made a suspect over their daughter's disappearance in 2007. our correspondent, jon kay is in praia da luz. we have a formal suspect, but what happens next? we assume that the portuguese authorities will want to question this guy, the question is how they are going to do that, will they leave it to the german police to talk to him in prison where he is being held on unrelated offences and convictions, orwill the being held on unrelated offences and convictions, or will the portuguese want to travel to germany and interrogate him there? all of that has got to be sorted out. i guess there will be a lot of talking. we also have to find out how the british fit into this because the metropolitan police have been involved in this wider investigation as well. will they want to talk to christian bruckner? we know he has previously denied involvement and he is only a suspect at this moment, he has not been charged. the crucial thing is the timing. although the portuguese authorities say that it is not the main driver, you have to remember it is very nearly, in the next few days, it will be15 years since madeleine mccann was last seen playing on the beach, since she went missing. 15 years is a really important point in portugal. after that point in a case like this it is really difficult, it becomes difficult to make somebody an official suspect, so by making this man an official suspect, and arguido, at this point, it gives the authorities more options in the weeks, months, maybe years ahead. thanks, john, 15 year wait for the parents of madeleine, kate and gerry mccann. what have we heard from them about this latest development? thea;r about this latest development? they issued a statement _ about this latest development? tie: issued a statement last night reiterating that this man has not been charged yet. they have seen this kind of things come and go over the last 15 years. at one point they themselves were official suspect and then that was withdrawn. i guess they are trying to manage their expectations. that said, they put in a statement that they welcome this news, they see it potentially as progress. one of the most touching things was, they talked about how they still live in hope, that madeleine might still be alive, that one day, possibly, they might be reunited with her. one of the last times i was here reporting on this case was when they were searching areas around this town. they looked through scrubland, along the coast, at several sites, but apparently nothing came of it. so once again the mccanns will be asking, will this latest big headline development lead to the kind of breakthrough, answers, conclusion, that they really want. answers, conclusion, that they really want-— answers, conclusion, that they reall want. , ., ,, really want. absolutely, thank you very much. _ really want. absolutely, thank you very much. jon — really want. absolutely, thank you very much. jon kay _ really want. absolutely, thank you very much, jon kay and _ really want. absolutely, thank you very much, jon kay and praia - really want. absolutely, thank you very much, jon kay and praia da i really want. absolutely, thank you i very much, jon kay and praia da luz. as the prime minister returns from a trip to india this morning having moved a step closer to agreeing a new trade deal — things at home are a little trickier. the trip has been overshadowed by the controversy over lockdown parties back in london. our political correspondent, jonathan blake, joins us now. good morning to you. i'm sure the prime minister would be keen to kind of parade a trade deal made in india, some progress being made, but still it is difficult for that to detract from partygate here. yes, events at westminster _ detract from partygate here. yes, events at westminster did - detract from partygate here. is: events at westminster did somewhat overshadow borisjohnson's trip to india. he talked about progress towards a free trade deal with the country, closer economic ties, agreements to do with green energy methods research to make india less reliant on russia for arms and energy but the fact was that whatever he talked about, questions of a pa rtygate followed whatever he talked about, questions of a partygate followed him every step of the way. he is returning i don't think necessarily do any mortal political danger certainly, but things have shifted in recent days. in westminster. it is fair to say. you have a couple more conservative mps calling publicly for the prime minister to resign, a sign that he is losing support among many of his own backbenchers, although most are still biding our time, probably for the local elections at least at the beginning of next month to get some idea what most members of the public are feeling about their response to this at the moment. then there is that third inquiry the prime minister will now face, a parliamentary investigation, and although everyone is on tenterhooks to see whether the prime minister will receive more fines, and fixed penalty notices for events held during the pandemic, what mps are looking into for him is potentially more serious because they will attempt to establish whether he knowingly misled parliament and if he is found to have done that, under the ministerial code, he would be expected to resign.— ministerial code, he would be expected to resign. jonathan blake, thanks very much. _ campaigning has ended in france 5 presidential election, with both candidates urging people to get out and vote tomorrow. the poll is expected to be the closest ever run—off between president emmanuel macron and his far—right rival marine le pen. our correspondent, hugh schofield is in paris. hugh, how did both candidates perform on the last day on the road? tomorrow is the vote how was the last day of campaigning? thea;r tomorrow is the vote how was the last day of campaigning? they were both out, marine _ last day of campaigning? they were both out, marine le _ last day of campaigning? they were both out, marine le pen _ last day of campaigning? they were both out, marine le pen up- last day of campaigning? they were both out, marine le pen up in - last day of campaigning? they were both out, marine le pen up in the i both out, marine le pen up in the north of the country, near calais, where she is an mp. a lot of people love her up there. she had, you know, a kind of crowd pleasing moment at the market with people surrounding her and so on. she is very notable because she only goes campaigning when she knows she will get lots of support. she does not want images of the protesters which they are certainly would be in other parts of the country but equally, she is a popular and familiar figure. macron meanwhile down in the south of the country, in the lot department, holiday country for some british people, he was saying his thing about how a vote for marine le pen was a dangerous step into the unknown, and criticising her economic policies. this campaign does not focus very much on the traditional clarion call of the far right, which is immigration, marine le pen's message will be more about social issues, the cost of living, inflation and so on, betraying herself as being closer to the people than the arrogant emmanuel macron. this second part of the campaign over the last two weeks, macron has been at pains to dispel that notion that he is stuck in the elysee, he has been engaging with people and more courageous, going to meet voters who really do disagree with him and debating with them face to face with them. he does have a problem in the countryside and the provinces because they are, he is not nearly so big as he is on the big cities like paris. but he goes into this last day, the election tomorrow, very much in pole position. the opinion polls suggest that he is a good ten points clear of marine le pen, but you cannot rule out surprises if there is a high abstention rate.- rule out surprises if there is a high abstention rate. thank you, huh high abstention rate. thank you, hugh schofield _ high abstention rate. thank you, hugh schofield in _ high abstention rate. thank you, hugh schofield in paris. - supermarkets across the uk are limiting how much cooking oil customers are able to buy, as supplies are hit by the war in ukraine. tesco is allowing three items per customer, while waitrose and morrisons have limited shoppers to two items each. the british retail consortium says the restrictions are a temporary measure "to ensure availability for everyone." new photographs of prince louis have been released today to mark his fourth birthday. the pictures were taken earlier this month by his mother, the duchess of cambridge. they show louis — who is the youngest of william and catherine's three children — enjoying a trip to the beach, whilst on a family trip to norfolk. is it beach weather today because mac temperatures are changing. susan has been telling us this morning. good morning. it has been telling us this morning. good morning-— has been telling us this morning. good morning. it depends how you like it, i good morning. it depends how you like it. i love _ good morning. it depends how you like it, i love going _ good morning. it depends how you like it, i love going to _ good morning. it depends how you like it, i love going to the - good morning. it depends how you like it, i love going to the beach, l like it, i love going to the beach, wind, rain, anything, iwill take it. but today there is a mixture of pictures across the uk coming in from our weather watchers. here is a snapshot of how the cloud are spread out across the uk as it stands. north sea coast will always be cooler in the days ahead because we have the wind coming in from the east of the north sea. on the western shores with shelter in the sunshine it should feel pleasantly warm into this afternoon, but you can see there is more cloud across southern england at the moment. there is quite a bank sitting to the north of scotland. in terms of rainfall the cloud bearing very little in the next seven days. the map does likely shade in blue but thatis map does likely shade in blue but that is on the lower end of the millimetres accumulating over the course of the next seven days. the shower is very hit and miss, no giving spell of solid rain for any area of the uk in the next seven days. all of that is going south through this low pressure running into the continent. high pressure sets the tone for our weather in the days ahead but between those two features we have an easterly wind stream and that will make it feel a little bit cooler particularly along northern sea coasts during the course of the day. we could have some of that cloud across wales, the south—west of england, squeezing out the odd, like shara about the rainfall total is not particularly significant. ifanything rainfall total is not particularly significant. if anything it looks like it will brighten from the east as the day goes on. the cloud across northern scotland rather more stubborn, retreating to the coast and the grampians but here, it will hold temperatures back along the moray firth coast, perhaps just around 11 celsius, inland and in areas we be looking at 16, 17 degrees today. overnight into sunday this low continues its business, heading off into the continent. we could see showers across southernmost counties of england. for sunday we are back to where we started with a lot of dry weather for the majority of the uk. perhaps some isolated showers across the south—west of england and the channel islands through the morning. still, this cloud not shifting away from northern scotland. but there is some practice on sunday stopped again temperatures inland very similar to today —— there is some brightness. north sea coast is just about making double figures. the change for the week ahead, high pressure is still going to be dominating the weather so we are not losing the drive theme, but it drifts to the west putting us on its eastern side in a more northerly air stream so that traps us into some arctic air, so it will feel cooler through the coming seven days. we will see a slightly higher risk of overnight frost in a few spots across eastern england. nothing too widespread, but if you are putting out young plants it is checking day on day. you can see the daytime highs drifting down through the course of the next five days. but still, very little in the way showers to be up across the uk. it is looking like a very dry end to april. is looking like a very dry end to aril. , , :, is looking like a very dry end to aril. , y:, :, is looking like a very dry end to aril. , :, april. did you say overnight frost?! yes, i april. did you say overnight frost?! yes. i did. — april. did you say overnight frost?! yes, i did. quite _ april. did you say overnight frost?! yes, i did. quite isolated. - yes, i did. quite isolated. overnight tonight across eastern scotland and then that arctic air, if the windfalls like it is something that catches people out at this late on into the season, put the bedding plants out and they're all wilted and looking very sorry for themselves.— all wilted and looking very sorry for themselves. they will be, thank ou for for themselves. they will be, thank you for warning. — for themselves. they will be, thank you for warning, susan. _ there's been lots of concern this week around the national shortage of hormone replacement therapy — after an increase in demand. the government says alternatives are available, but mps say the lack of availability is causing women to lose sleep with some even swapping medication. zoe conway has visited a community support group. you find in the group, that a lot of women come on, and say, my god, i thought i was going mad. i'm not alone. this group has saved me so much. and notjust this group, but there are other groups out there. you have made me realise that what i am going through is medical. several women in the group have experienced hrt treatment shortages. vicki had to drive around several pharmacies to get her stick—on hrt patches. why where you so stressed? because i was worried. i was worried that i was going to feel unwell, like i had done, prior to having this medication. i have considered leaving work because of the brain fog. i have considered that i'm getting early—onset dementia because of the confusion and the brain fog. it's massive, absolutely huge. we can now speak to the labour mp carolyn harris, who is chair of the government 5 menopause task force. we have spoken about this on this programme. we have highlighted issues about this. we did a week long menopause special a few years ago. and, when you hear women talk about the symptoms they are experiencing, this isn't something that can been taken lightly. and it hasn't been. it has been much more flagged up than before but the medicine isn't available. what on earth is going on? i medicine isn't available. what on earth is going on?— earth is going on? i would like to sa that earth is going on? i would like to say that the _ earth is going on? i would like to say that the industry, _ earth is going on? i would like to say that the industry, the - say that the industry, the pharmaceutical industry who make this, and the government, working hand in hand and making sure the product was available but that has not been the case. you have this product has become really popular, the gel and they have not thought of the gel and they have not thought of the impact of the campaign and people are now demanding the right to have their hormones replaced in the body, and prescribing the gel they have not kept up with a piece of demand but there are other products out there which are just as good, can do exactly the same job, but they are not available to the doctors to prescribe. so we have some producers who have really good hrt which can do the job and we have others which are completely empty because the demand has been so great. what we need is a national formula where this product can be available to every woman in the uk so that there would not be any shortages, but unfortunately the government has not thought long term about this. hagar government has not thought long term about this. :, , government has not thought long term about this. :, a , ::, :, government has not thought long term about this. :, a , :, , about this. how quickly can that be sorted? the _ about this. how quickly can that be sorted? the national _ about this. how quickly can that be sorted? the nationalformula - about this. how quickly can that be j sorted? the nationalformula could robabl sorted? the nationalformula could probably get _ sorted? the nationalformula could probably get sorted _ sorted? the nationalformula could probably get sorted in _ sorted? the nationalformula could probably get sorted in literally - probably get sorted in literally days but it needs the government to introduce natural —— national formula so that every geographical area is able to prescribe this product which is available in two geographical areas.— geographical areas. what is the government _ geographical areas. what is the government saying _ geographical areas. what is the government saying in _ geographical areas. what is the government saying in terms - geographical areas. what is the government saying in terms of| geographical areas. what is the - government saying in terms of how quickly this can be resolved? thea;r quickly this can be resolved? they are burying _ quickly this can be resolved? they are burying their _ quickly this can be resolved? ti91: are burying their head in the quickly this can be resolved? ti91 are burying their head in the sand as usual, they promise to reduce the cost of hrt for women in england, and the only place which pays for hrt, we now know that that will not happen until april next year so from what i can see as someone who has had this conversation with the government many times, they are not doing anything about the problem. and they are not doing anything to promote women's health in the way that they should be. the promote women's health in the way that they should be.— that they should be. the minister for women's _ that they should be. the minister for women's health _ that they should be. the minister for women's health maria - that they should be. the minister| for women's health maria corfield has said, i am clear all women experiencing the menopause should have access to appropriate care and support. we are working closely with suppliers and partners to resolve these matters as quickly as possible and i urge anyone concerned about accessing hrt to speak to their gp. what does someone do when they talk to their gp if the stocks are not available?— to their gp if the stocks are not available? , :, : , available? there is not much they can do if the _ available? there is not much they can do if the stocks _ available? there is not much they can do if the stocks are _ available? there is not much they can do if the stocks are not - can do if the stocks are not available because they cannot get this other product. there are some other products which are available but because of the rash on them they are running out. the government has got to step up. the minister is saying one thing and doing another, i'm afraid. it is not what they are saying they are. they have made commitments in the past, i had a meeting with the producers of these products within days of discovering this shortage. the minister had one within weeks. it is just not good enough. and they need to up their game on this. the enough. and they need to up their game on this-— enough. and they need to up their game on this. the conservative mp caroline noakes _ game on this. the conservative mp caroline noakes has _ game on this. the conservative mp caroline noakes has called - game on this. the conservative mp caroline noakes has called for - game on this. the conservative mp caroline noakes has called for a . caroline noakes has called for a parliamentary debate. do you agree that that should take place? definitely. i am that that should take place? definitely. lam ready, willing, and many other colleagues are, to stand up many other colleagues are, to stand up in the chamber and to start asking awkward questions yet again because at this moment in time, everyone can see that this has got to stop. this isn't something that women will get over. you imagine if you are a diabetic, and you need something to remedy that. women take their own lives over the anger and frustration and the terrible feelings of insecurity and anxiety they get when they do not have these hormones. many women have onlyjust managed to balance out having gone on hrt and we are taking it off of them again so it is a dangerous situation for women and we cannot have for it to go on any longer. {line have for it to go on any longer. one ofthe have for it to go on any longer. one of the things _ have for it to go on any longer. one of the things we _ have for it to go on any longer. one of the things we saw in the report, many reports are coming in of this that women are exchanging and sharing their medicine. we are absolutely not saying that this is the thing to do at all. but it has got pretty desperate.— the thing to do at all. but it has got pretty desperate. yes, and this is the problem. _ got pretty desperate. yes, and this is the problem, the _ got pretty desperate. yes, and this is the problem, the government. got pretty desperate. yes, and this i is the problem, the government have not realised how important this is. you can talk about putting women's health on the top of the health strategy, but talking about it and doing it are completely different things. and women are not going to be pacified with warm words any more, they want action and that nationalformularies to more, they want action and that national formularies to make sure that any product that is equal to and as good as currently available is available to all women, doctors need to have better training so that they recognise the menopause, workplaces look after women who are menopausal, there are so many areas, so many areas in social policy where the menopause plays a huge role. we have got to stop talking about making it better, and actually do it better because we are not at the moment. �* , :. better because we are not at the moment. �* , :, , moment. briefly, in a practical level, moment. briefly, in a practical level. what— moment. briefly, in a practical level, what should _ moment. briefly, in a practical level, what should women - moment. briefly, in a practical| level, what should women do? moment. briefly, in a practical- level, what should women do? what alternatives are available? what can they do whilst this shortage exists? first thing i would do would be to lobby your mp, especially if they are a government and not an opposition mp, who lobby them to make sure that they write to the department of health or to the secretary of state for health and social care and asked him what the hell is going on because there are some of us in parliament talking about it, but if women start asking questions of the government, then the government will have to act. ibsnd the government will have to act. and of course they _ the government will have to act. and of course they are partners and families as well to be advocates for them. , ,:, , families as well to be advocates for them-_ carolyn - families as well to be advocates for them._ carolyn harris, i families as well to be advocates for i them._ carolyn harris, mp, them. everybody. carolyn harris, mp, thank ou them. everybody. carolyn harris, mp, thank you for— them. everybody. carolyn harris, mp, thank you for talking _ them. everybody. carolyn harris, mp, thank you for talking to _ them. everybody. carolyn harris, mp, thank you for talking to us _ them. everybody. carolyn harris, mp, thank you for talking to us from - thank you for talking to us from swansea. just approaching 20 past eight. good morning. there was a time when playing your favourite computer game meant putting in a tape and waiting ages for it to load. that annoying, squeaky whining. i had a vic20. i had _ that annoying, squeaky whining. i had a vic20. i had a _ that annoying, squeaky whining. i had a vic20. i had a commodore i that annoying, squeaky whining. i i had a vic20. i had a commodore 64. and then we — had a vic20. i had a commodore 64. and then we updated _ had a vic20. i had a commodore 64. and then we updated it _ had a vic20. i had a commodore 64. and then we updated it to _ had a vic20. i had a commodore 64. and then we updated it to a - and then we updated it to a commodore amiga! that was very much the case for the zx spectrum, which went onto influence the uk gaming scene. nadia gyane has been to look as a special event celebrating the computer. can you guess the year? margaret thatcher was in power, a future king and queen were born, and this man was about to change the world. no googling. the web wasn't created then either. the national museum of computing is marking the zx spectrum's 40th year since its launch in 1982, and a new industry was born. what we have here is a zx spectrum. this was released 40 years ago to a very surprised market. it is a home computer. sinclair 's intention was that it would be used in educational or business uses, but because of its popularity in the home, what the kids wanted to do was play games on it. the irony is that that made it a far more successful machine. what i've noticed is that there is no controller. how did you use the actual game? in the early days you had to use the keyboard. and the classic up, down, left and right were matched to keys on the keyboard. the typical combination was q, a, o and p. it was used then to control the game. later on, peripherals were added so you could put standard joysticks in. this is all new to me, but if you grew up in the 805 you may have had one of these in the home. the zx spectrum did more than just provide a few games to keep teenagers occupied. it also paved the way for gamers to create their own. and it was this manual that provided budding creators the tools to code. something doctor steve vickers worked hard on. sometimes, you know, you are reading a manual and instructions and it all seems very easy to start off with, and suddenly you hit a brick wall where it suddenly ramps up and you have to understand a lot more before you can get any further with that. i really was doing my best to avoid that kind of wall. the idea is for it to be a learning curve that people could go all the way up, you know? it might be harder work at the end, but they wouldn't suddenly find a cliff face that was a complete barrier. when you went into making the zx spectrum, what did you hope people would get out of it? i really hoped they would get a feeling of creativity, that they understood the machine well enough to be able to control it and create things of their own. it not only did that, but became britain's bestselling microcomputer, and sold for £125, which would be around £500 today. people attending the exhibition can step back in time, learn something new, and for those a little older, play their childhood games. what were the games you were reminiscing over there? dizzy, that was on the commodore 64 and others. it was interesting because it allowed people to programme for the first time, and my dad made me a spelling game to practice my spellings. it didn't work, did it? i am a great at spelling! i spellings. it didn't work, did it? i am a great at spelling!— am a great at spelling! i used to love the winter _ am a great at spelling! i used to love the winter olympics - am a great at spelling! i used to love the winter olympics game | am a great at spelling! i used to - love the winter olympics game where you had to press the space bar to jump. you had to press the space bar to 'um -. :, , :, :, you had to press the space bar to 'um. :, , :, :, :, you had to press the space bar to jump. now, here is a tale for you. it is a one — jump. now, here is a tale for you. it is a one eyed — jump. now, here is a tale for you. it is a one eyed cat _ jump. now, here is a tale for you. it is a one eyed cat that _ jump. now, here is a tale for you. it is a one eyed cat that was - jump. now, here is a tale for you. j it is a one eyed cat that was taken of a north sea oil rig by helicopter to be reunited with its owner, and after becoming a bit of a mate at a local prison, after being missing for five years. we will have more about that. it's a fabulous story, more on that in 20 minutes. we will be back with more news shortly. hello, this is breakfast with naga munchetty and ben thompson. british servicemen who took part in nuclear tests in the 19505 and '60s could be one step closer to being honoured for the first time. 40,000 were sent on the missions, but many now say the radiation they were exposed to went on to cause cancers and birth defects. the ministry of defence say studies have not shown any link between the tests and ill health. sarah smith reports. from this day, britain will rank beside america and russia - as a major nuclear power. a site most pray never to see. others had to fly towards it. i suppose if i'm honest it was an adventure. as a 19—year—old, john volunteered to go to the south pacific. he was raf ground crew, servicing planes, but when he arrived, his role in this nuclear testing programme changed. he would be in the air, monitoring radiation. on one sortie, he was ordered to fly right over the blast site. that fireball coming up. black, crimson, a mixture of all these vortexes of cloud. i questioned why we were ever sent there. but they did theirjob, collecting radiation readings, before coming into land. they were looking at the aircraft. he said, it's taken the paint off. that was the heat from the explosion. since then, john has suffered tremors in his hands. others, he says, came off much worse. for years, there have been calls to recognise what they did, and this week, the prime minister made them a promise. i certainly will take personal charge of the matter myself and make sure they receive the recognition they deserve. that is the protection we had, that's how we were dressed every day. that's me. all these lads are dead. terry suffered a tumour two years after his national service took him to christmas island as an army driver. he is delighted that recognition might be on the way, but not without regrets. i'm very appreciative to be here. my colleagues and my best mates... sorry, i'm getting a bit emotional thinking about them, you know? i they are not here. john has a picture on his wall. his plane dwarfed by the mushroom cloud. a medal, he says, would have little meaning. what i find shameful and i feel betrayed is we were given no medical back—up. had those medical checks been carried out on us and the veterans, i think that would have saved a lot of lives. this, a sight he can't forget, and so wishes he had never seen. that was sarah smith reporting. ceri mcdade, chair of the british nuclear test veterans' association joins us now. good morning. so, borisjohnson says he will take personal charge of this. what does that mean? well, our cuess this. what does that mean? well, our auess is as this. what does that mean? well, our guess is as good _ this. what does that mean? well, our guess is as good as _ this. what does that mean? well, our guess is as good as yours, _ this. what does that mean? well, our guess is as good as yours, really. - guess is as good as yours, really. we heard from morris injanuary, and he said the same thing and we haven't come any further with him. questions have been asked at the house of commons, and as for a meeting, we are still waiting. i have been writing to him, and i have been writing to the ministry of defence for a meeting, but i haven't had a reply in the past couple of months. irate had a reply in the past couple of months. ~ :. had a reply in the past couple of months. 9 :, :, months. we heard in that report about what _ months. we heard in that report about what you _ months. we heard in that report about what you are _ months. we heard in that report about what you are hoping - months. we heard in that report about what you are hoping for, i months. we heard in that report i about what you are hoping for, but just to explain a little bit about what you would like to achieve as part of this process. irate what you would like to achieve as part of this process.— part of this process. we need recognition — part of this process. we need recognition for _ part of this process. we need recognition for our _ part of this process. we need recognition for our nuclear. part of this process. we need i recognition for our nuclear test veterans. as a charity representing the veterans, we feel very strongly as we deal with veterans day by day, we have, for instance this week, three mental health acute crises of veterans in the mid—80s, suicidal veterans. we have massive needs that we need to discuss with the government. it's notjust a matter of a medal for them. government. it's notjust a matter ofa medalforthem. in government. it's notjust a matter of a medal for them. in fact, government. it's notjust a matter of a medalfor them. in fact, as john said in that report, he is not interested in a medal now. but many veterans are. they are individuals, but we want a whole package of care and welfare for them that simply isn't there at the moment. what and welfare for them that simply isn't there at the moment. what has been the reasoning _ isn't there at the moment. what has been the reasoning for— isn't there at the moment. what has been the reasoning for not _ isn't there at the moment. what has been the reasoning for not coming i been the reasoning for not coming under that recognition umbrella? i don't know, apart from the tests were not a popular thing. this wasn't more flair, it wasn't combat. people understand the gulf war and afghanistan and missions like that, but when it comes to nuclear test veterans, these were tests by the british government, carried out with participants, 21,397 men participated in these tests. they signed the official secrets act and were told not to talk about the tests. it was a cold war, but it wasn't a war. everything about it is a dichotomy, really. ithink wasn't a war. everything about it is a dichotomy, really. i think there is an embarrassment about it. your father, michael— is an embarrassment about it. your father, michael marsh, _ is an embarrassment about it. your father, michael marsh, sadly passed away in 1999. he was a nuclear test veteran. are you comfortable talking about what he went through? yes. he didn't say anything — about what he went through? yes. he didn't say anything about _ about what he went through? yes. he didn't say anything about it _ about what he went through? yes. he didn't say anything about it until - about what he went through? yes. he didn't say anything about it until i - didn't say anything about it until i was 14. we were watching a film and it had hiroshima on it. i said to him, gosh, that's terrible. and he said, i've seen that. i said, what do you mean? he explained about his experiences in 1956. he was out in australia during the tests of operation buffalo and another, 1956 and 1957. he was 23 years old, an aircraft technician, and he saw the blast. what we do know, looking at his service record, is after that time he started to go to the medical officer at his raf base saying i'm convinced i've got cancer. they were saying, tell marsh to go away. so it was in his head without having said anything to the family for years after that time. when he was dying, he said the government have done this to me. can you do something about it? :. this to me. can you do something about it? :, , :, about it? had he been diagnosed with cancer? yes. — about it? had he been diagnosed with cancer? yes, yes. _ about it? had he been diagnosed with cancer? yes, yes. he _ about it? had he been diagnosed with cancer? yes, yes. he had _ about it? had he been diagnosed with cancer? yes, yes. he had a _ about it? had he been diagnosed with cancer? yes, yes. he had a very - about it? had he been diagnosed with cancer? yes, yes. he had a very rare| cancer? yes, yes. he had a very rare cancer? yes, yes. he had a very rare cancer of the — cancer? yes, yes. he had a very rare cancer of the oesophagus _ cancer? yes, yes. he had a very rare cancer of the oesophagus and - cancer of the oesophagus and stomach. :, :, :, , :, stomach. how far was he from the test? less — stomach. how far was he from the test? less than _ stomach. how far was he from the test? less than eight _ stomach. how far was he from the test? less than eight kilometres. | test? less than eight kilometres. the were test? less than eight kilometres. they were told — test? less than eight kilometres. they were told to _ test? less than eight kilometres. they were told to put _ test? less than eight kilometres. they were told to put their - test? less than eight kilometres. they were told to put their hands | they were told to put their hands over their eyes and just close their eyes, basically. they were ordered to watch the bomb. i think that is the problem we have got here. there was a moral injury, and ethical breach of the government. an act of commission. they were forced to go and do this. they were not given equipment and that is a betrayal. so he was a very short distance away. there are stories of some who were asked to sail through the blast site, fly through the blast site, to observe and report back. they were directly in the midst of it all, weren't they?— directly in the midst of it all, weren't they? directly in the midst of it all, weren't the ? , :, :, , weren't they? yes, and there was the in doctrine force _ weren't they? yes, and there was the in doctrine force who _ weren't they? yes, and there was the in doctrine force who were _ weren't they? yes, and there was the in doctrine force who were given - in doctrine force who were given prescriptions of radiation because they thought they could build up an immunity to radiation, and they were in trenches. it was like a second world war warfare meets a nuclear test, so they would have to get out of the trenches and go along on their bellies over the ground to scuff up the radiation. i’m their bellies over the ground to scuff up the radiation.— scuff up the radiation. i'm 'ust lookin: scuff up the radiation. i'm 'ust looking at fl scuff up the radiation. i'm 'ust looking at a i scuff up the radiation. i'm 'ust looking at a government h scuff up the radiation. i'm just - looking at a government statement here from the ministry of defence, and it says... the consequences of this is notjust the emotional response and the anxiety and the depression and the ptsd that comes with, but the physical impact. what the ministry of defence is saying, is that based on the findings of the fort national radiological protection board reports, including the recent follow—up study, the mod does not accept that participants of the uk atmospheric nuclear test and weapons experiment worked as a result exposed to ionising radiation that adversely affected their health. the findings from the study show, and i am abbreviated, overall mortality and cancer mortality of the test veterans and military controls remain lower than the general population of men of the same age in england and wales. so they have done a comparison. how does that sit you pursue?— they have done a comparison. how does that sit you pursue? there's a lot of problems _ does that sit you pursue? there's a lot of problems with _ does that sit you pursue? there's a lot of problems with it, _ does that sit you pursue? there's a lot of problems with it, it's - does that sit you pursue? there's a lot of problems with it, it's a - does that sit you pursue? there's a lot of problems with it, it's a fine i lot of problems with it, it's a fine report but there are problems. the parameter the macro problems are in the parameters before the report, which predetermined who was at risk of radiation so they didn't measure everyone for radiation, they only measured 23% of the men involved in the test. : :, , the test. and who were they? the ones who went _ the test. and who were they? the ones who went through _ the test. and who were they? the ones who went through the - the test. and who were they? the ones who went through the actualj ones who went through the actual test site? yes. 50 ones who went through the actual test site? yes.— ones who went through the actual test site? yes. so not your father? yes, it test site? yes. so not your father? yes. it says — test site? yes. so not your father? yes. it says no _ test site? yes. so not your father? yes, it says no gamut _ test site? yes. so not your father? yes, it says no gamut was - test site? yes. so not your father? i yes, it says no gamut was detected. it also says that nuclear test veterans who believe they have suffered ill health due to the service have the right to apply for a no fault compensation under the war pensions scheme. you are spiralling at that, an ironic smile. tell me the problems with that. i have sat in an adjournment for one of these pensions and we had a terrible time. we were told by the judge to prove that this was due to ionising radiation, ratherthan ionising radiation, rather than service ionising radiation, ratherthan service —related injury. the mod had been on video to the judge with us not seeing, basically. they hadn't seen us. they asked for one of the conditions to be struck out, and the judge had to remind the mod that we were still in the room. so judge had to remind the mod that we were still in the room.— were still in the room. so the empathy _ were still in the room. so the empathy towards _ were still in the room. so the empathy towards families, i were still in the room. so the empathy towards families, or were still in the room. so the - empathy towards families, or the understanding and the ability for families to go through this process is obstructed? it is families to go through this process is obstructed?— is obstructed? it is a terrible process- _ is obstructed? it is a terrible process. how _ is obstructed? it is a terrible process. how confident - is obstructed? it is a terrible process. how confident are i is obstructed? it is a terrible i process. how confident are you is obstructed? it is a terrible - process. how confident are you you will let process. how confident are you you will get some _ process. how confident are you you will get some closure _ process. how confident are you you will get some closure for— process. how confident are you you will get some closure for people . process. how confident are you you i will get some closure for people who have been through this customer as he said, the medals are just a part of this, there is so much else that needs to be done. how confident are you that you will get there? and as we saw in the report, many of these veterans are getting older and time is of the essence.— veterans are getting older and time is of the essence. their average age is of the essence. their average age is 85. so is of the essence. their average age is 85- so we — is of the essence. their average age is 85- so we are _ is of the essence. their average age is 85. so we are burying _ is of the essence. their average age is 85. so we are burying them - is of the essence. their average age is 85. so we are burying them all. is 85. so we are burying them all the time, really. we go to funerals. we are confident we are going to get somewhere. it's the 70th anniversary since the first commonwealth atomic test in 1952. we hope the government engage with us properly, listen to us, particularly about the moral injury that all of the participants endured. ~ , :, :, :, : :, endured. when you are watching our re oort and endured. when you are watching our report and sarah _ endured. when you are watching our report and sarah 's _ endured. when you are watching our report and sarah 's interview - endured. when you are watching our report and sarah 's interview with . report and sarah 's interview with john, you said that it was distressing for him, and we are so gratefulfor him to distressing for him, and we are so grateful for him to talk to us, but the distress that these veterans have, are experiencing, is continuous.— have, are experiencing, is continuous. :, :, , , :, continuous. continuous, it is all these years — continuous. continuous, it is all these years. it's _ continuous. continuous, it is all these years. it's as _ continuous. continuous, it is all these years. it's as brought - continuous. continuous, it is all these years. it's as brought to i continuous. continuous, it is all- these years. it's as brought to them now as it was at the time. and it seems at the moment that they are being used in a political match, and theyjust need to be recompensed, theyjust need to be recompensed, they need to be understood. they need to be understood health—wise. they are going into doctor's surgeries are saying, i was at the nuclear test, and doctors don't know what they are on about. there's a lot of problems we have got and they are forgotten. i looked at the veteran strategy last night, and there is nothing in there for this group. there is health and well—being as a band, but one of our veterans came to us suicidal yesterday. he is still on the waiting list for the government health and well—being mental health service. he has been on the waiting list for a while. he is 85. thea;r list for a while. he is 85. they need help- — list for a while. he is 85. they need help. quite _ list for a while. he is 85. they need help. quite aside - list for a while. he is 85. they need help. quite aside from i list for a while. he is 85. they need help. quite aside from the health implications, the mental implications, the emotional imprecations, is there also just a call for the recognition of what these men did? it was astonishing. we were surprised. to learn that people were asked to do this. to be so close, to sail through and to fly through an atomic test. it is incompressible. _ through an atomic test. it is incompressible. they - through an atomic test. it 3 incompressible. they weren't asked, they were ordered. find incompressible. they weren't asked, they were ordered.— they were ordered. and that is the oroblem. they were ordered. and that is the problem- they _ they were ordered. and that is the problem. they didn't _ they were ordered. and that is the problem. they didn't have - they were ordered. and that is the problem. they didn't have the - problem. they didn't have the knowledge we know now of nuclear impact. knowledge we know now of nuclear im act. , .. , knowledge we know now of nuclear im act. , ~' , :, :, impact. they knew, they had done measurements _ impact. they knew, they had done measurements at _ impact. they knew, they had done measurements at hiroshima - impact. they knew, they had done measurements at hiroshima and i measurements at hiroshima and nagasaki. there's lots of evidence showing the effects of this testing. it has been really interesting talking to you. no doubt we will talking to you. no doubt we will talk again as this progresses. chair of the british nuclear test veterans association, thank you forjoining us. now, here's susan with a look at this morning's st george's day weather. we have been talking blossom this morning, and i see you have picked up morning, and i see you have picked up on the theme. but standing in front of it i am blending in! i don't know, you are complementing it. yes, our viewers have been picking up yes, our viewers have been picking up on it as well. glorious blossom here. thank you for all your pictures. then was talking earlier about the wind and how it is tearing apart the blossom in some places at the moment. there is a noticeable easterly across the uk at the moment. this big area of high pressure to the north is producing the dry weather, but there is an area of low pressure further south that has been slamming heavy rain into france and spain. we sit between those two weather systems. this is what it looks like from the skies across the uk, thanks to the satellite at the moment. quite a bit of sunshine out there, but a bank of cloud close to northern scotland through the day. that cloud may move further south across england and wales as the day goes on. easterly winds always keeping things somewhat cooler along the north sea coast. a slim chance of a shower in wales, parts of the midlands, south west england this afternoon. maybe the odd one coming into the north sea coasts, but overall we are dominated by dry weather. that gives you an indication of the strength of the easterly wind. temperatures along the north sea coast, looking at 11 or 12 celsius at best today, but further west some sunshine, and we should see 17 or 18 celsius. saturday into sunday, we stay with the easterly wind. the low to the south could throw some showers across the channel into southern counties of england in the small hours of sunday. we may still see a view around for the surface and the channel islands early on on sunday, but again, a lot of dry weather. perhaps more in the way of sunshine for england and way. still a bank of cloud stuck under the height of the far north of scotland. very similar temperatures on sunday. 17, 18, dry, sheltered and warm spots, but tempered is lower on the north sea coasts. a change for the start of the week. not a massive change because the high is keeping things very dry, but a bit more of a northerly wind as we shift to the eastern side of our area of high pressure. the isobars open up a little bit, so slightly lighter winds, some cold arctic air coming in. not only for gardeners who have the talent of it being on the dry side, but it will be worth bearing in mind checking night—time tablatures for the chance of a few pockets of frost. now, an update on all the sports news. there is a big bout. yes, just a small little fight tonight at wembley. a massive occasion! even if you are not into boxing, it's the fact that it is back in the uk and hasn't been since 1993. yes, for an all british heavyweight title fight. lennox lewis and frank bruno back then. able such a occasion. but tonight at wembley, more than 90,000 people are going to be watching on as this pair behind us, tyson fury, the world heavyweight champion takes on dillian whyte. it's going to be a phenomenal occasion. it's set to be one of the biggest all—british heavyweight dust—ups in history. we're joined now by former super—middleweight world champion carl froch. you are there now nice and early, well done. a big day ahead. it is such a big moment for british boxing, isn't it?— such a big moment for british boxing, isn't it? absolutely, this is a massive _ boxing, isn't it? absolutely, this is a massive moment. _ boxing, isn't it? absolutely, this is a massive moment. what - boxing, isn't it? absolutely, this is a massive moment. what an i is a massive moment. what an occasion. i once box here in front of 80,000 fans, and this stadium is an amazing place. when you do that ring walk, you can really feel the crowd. anthonyjoshua did it, but tonight is going to be special. 94,000 watching here tonight. i can't wait to get ringside. i'm sure you will be talking about who is going to win and the technicals. can you just tell me, how important is it for the crowd to be on your side? in the intensity of each round, do you hear it? what does it do in terms of your performance? absolutely, the crowd really does help, especially when they are on your side. help, especially when they are on yourside. i remember boxing in denmark and i was the opponent, sol was the away fighter. when i was landing punches, you could not hear a pin drop. but when i was getting hit, and when shots were whizzing past my chin, the crowd was going crazy. i think it influences the judges a little bit and it gets inside your head, it means you don't enjoy it as much. when the crowd are behind you and you know they are cheering for you, you feel and hear the intensity and energy of the crowd, you can feel it in your blood, and it raises you to that next level. so 94,000 people tonight at wembley, they will be cheering for dillian whyte who has got his fans, but tyson fury is the main man of the moment. but the crowd will be there for both of these guys, so i think it is going to be ebbs and flows with the crowd, it will be amazing. it flows with the crowd, it will be amazinl. : :. , �* flows with the crowd, it will be amazinl. : :, , �* :, amazing. it certainly will. i'm glad ou lot amazing. it certainly will. i'm glad you got your _ amazing. it certainly will. i'm glad you got your mention _ amazing. it certainly will. i'm glad you got your mention in _ amazing. it certainly will. i'm glad you got your mention in of- amazing. it certainly will. i'm glad you got your mention in of your i you got your mention in of your match in 2014. you will know about the atmosphere and how the two fighters are going to have to contain that within themselves. tyson fury is coming in a little lighter than his last fight. how do you think that is going to affect this matchup between the pair, and do we think tyson fury is the favourite? i do we think tyson fury is the favourite?— do we think tyson fury is the favourite? .. . . favourite? i think he is the slight favourite. it's _ favourite? i think he is the slight favourite. it's difficult _ favourite? i think he is the slight favourite. it's difficult to - favourite? i think he is the slight favourite. it's difficult to beat. favourite. it's difficult to beat someone who is 6'9" tall with a massive reach. in boxing, height and reach is a massive advantage. tyson fury has that in abundance. dillian whyte is almost the same weight, i think they both come in at around 18 stone. he fought deontay wilder in the last two fights, he is a big man and at all but around 15 stone. so dillian whyte will be using his wait to get up close and personal with tyson fury, pushing back, try and bully him, hit him around the head and body to wear him down. and tyson fury because he is coming in a little bit light, ithink fury because he is coming in a little bit light, i think his game plan is going to jab, move, be light on his feet and keep this site at long range. i don't think dillian whyte is going to subscribe to that after about round five, i think he will try to close the distance and make this a real fight. i will try to close the distance and make this a real fight.— make this a real fight. i was interested _ make this a real fight. i was interested to _ make this a real fight. i was interested to hear _ make this a real fight. i was interested to hear that - make this a real fight. i was| interested to hear that tyson make this a real fight. i was - interested to hear that tyson fury was saying he was going to retire after this fight. anybody who follows boxing knows that there is a potential huge heavyweight unification fight which could potentially involve anthonyjoshua. do you believe that? well, listen, he has got five or six children. i don't want to get it wrong, but he has got a lot of kids and his wife is pregnant. why not sail off into the sunset? he's 35 years old, nearly, he must have made £100 million in his career. he is massive, he is the heavyweight king. to get himself in the shape he needs to be into fight, it is hard work at 34, 35 years old. he is talking about retirement and i kind of believe him. my last fight was hit at wembley, i could have gone on and made more money, done more things within the sport, but i decided to call it a day after the big fight at wembley. sometimes the strategy for leaving a career, leaving boxing, it has to be right. it is not football. a bad day at the office in boxing is not a 5—0, it is potentially damaging for your health. so you have to take that into perspective when you have got children. if tyson fury is talking about retirement, i believe him. it must be in his head, he must be thinking i've done my time, and the heavyweight king, if i retire on the back of a 94,000 crowd at wembley, who could blame him? thank you so much forjoining us live from wembley. i love the insight that he gave there. just that feeling of hearing there. just that feeling of hearing the crowd. can you imagine, you are fighting, you go to punch someone and the whole crowd does not react. and it is also open air which is different, because a lot of venues are indoors. very dramatic. league two crawley town have suspended their managerjohn yems after accusations of discriminatory language towards his own players. yems has been in charge at the club since 2019. the club have released a statement this morning saying they were made aware of serious and credible accusations that yems used discriminatory language and behavior. so, we will see if there's any further developments on that story as the day progresses. thank you. this is a tale of intrigue, mistaken identity and, finally, a big reunion. dexter the cat, who is also known as one—eyed joe, went missing five years ago. his family thought they would never see him again, but he turned up on an oil platform in the north sea this week. how did he get there? and what had he been up to for the past five years? rachel bell has the story. here he is. hi, dexter! you're home. hello! a welcome home for the weary wanderer. it's been five years since dexter the cat left his home in peterheads. he kinda went away a few years ago and we have never heard anything about him since until it was all over facebook, never expected him to end up back here. dexter caused a stir on social media when workers on a north sea platform shared a picture of him. he had been found in a storage container. he was flown back to aberdeen by helicopter and checked over by the scottish spca. he is an absolute tiptop condition. especially since he has been stray for five years, he is really looking good. the sspca thought dexter was a stray called one eyed joe, so named by staff at peterhead prison who had been feeding him for the past five years. he had been found in storage containers in the past but it was this latest offshore adventure that sparked the attention of his ower. we've just had a caller call through to say she's been missing her cat for five years now, she's seen him on social media and couldn't believe that it was her cat. now back home, dexter is getting reacquainted with his surroundings and the newest members of the family. but having spent the last few years at peterhead prison, his owner wonders if that is really where he is meant to be. i believe that he was a bit of a therapy cat at the prison, so people have been in contact saying they would definitely welcome him back there, so i will have a conversation with them. wherever he ends up, it is hoped that from now on dexter will keep his feet on dry land. rachel bell, bbc news. aimee findlay, from the scottish spca, reunited dexter with his family. she joins us now from aberdeen. thank you forjoining us this morning. what a journey that dexter has had. how did you first get involved?— has had. how did you first get involved? , ,:, , involved? yes, so we were first alerted on _ involved? yes, so we were first alerted on thursday _ involved? yes, so we were first alerted on thursday morning i involved? yes, so we were firstj alerted on thursday morning by offshore workers to let us know that a cat had arrived on the platform in a cat had arrived on the platform in a shipping container. at this point, we obviously have no idea how the cat ended up there and arrange to collect him first thing on friday morning. i think through the powers of social media, the story grew arms and legs and we later found out that the cat had been stray for five years, and that was how the owner actually came forward and recognised dexter through social media. i actually came forward and recognised dexter through social media.- dexter through social media. i don't want to be a — dexter through social media. i don't want to be a party — dexter through social media. i don't want to be a party people _ dexter through social media. i don't want to be a party people on - dexter through social media. i don't want to be a party people on this, i want to be a party people on this, but shouldn't they be security to stop anyone or anything getting in that container?— that container? yes, we did think that container? yes, we did think that ourselves, _ that container? yes, we did think that ourselves, to _ that container? yes, we did think that ourselves, to be _ that container? yes, we did think that ourselves, to be honest. - that container? yes, we did think that ourselves, to be honest. i. that container? yes, we did think| that ourselves, to be honest. i am not sure, obviously because he is quite accustomed to going into shipping containers, i think he is that comfortable that he might have found a really sneaky place to hide, and it was within the week that he was loaded into the container and then taken offshore, so it was relatively quick. he was happy, but yes. i relatively quick. he was happy, but es. ~ :, , :, relatively quick. he was happy, but es. ~ :, :, relatively quick. he was happy, but yes. i know you have spoken to the owners, obviously. _ yes. i know you have spoken to the owners, obviously. tell— yes. i know you have spoken to the owners, obviously. tell us - yes. i know you have spoken to the owners, obviously. tell us what - yes. i know you have spoken to the. owners, obviously. tell us what they say about now one—eyed joe, because actually, zx spectrum was not one eyed when he first left home. ida. actually, zx spectrum was not one eyed when he first left home. tia. i eyed when he first left home. no, i believe from _ eyed when he first left home. no, i believe from what _ eyed when he first left home. no, i believe from what the _ eyed when he first left home. no, i believe from what the caller - eyed when he first left home. tip. i believe from what the caller told us is that previously he lost his eye in an injury going into a container. he was then taken by the ss pca as a stray cat at the time because we couldn't find the owner at that time, so they removed one—eyed joe 's i, and again, through the powers of our social media, the owner then came forward obviously took him home. he was kept in for about a month, and after his eye had healed, he was then left out. ever since that day, the owners have never seen him again. that was about five years that he was missing for. who him again. that was about five years that he was missing for.— that he was missing for. who do you think misses — that he was missing for. who do you think misses him _ that he was missing for. who do you think misses him most, _ that he was missing for. who do you think misses him most, the - that he was missing for. who do you think misses him most, the owner i that he was missing for. who do you | think misses him most, the owner or the inmates, who kind of named him one—eyed joe? i the inmates, who kind of named him one-eyedjoe?_ one-eyed joe? i kind of get the impression _ one-eyed joe? i kind of get the impression that _ one-eyed joe? i kind of get the impression that the _ one-eyed joe? i kind of get the impression that the inmates - one-eyed joe? i kind of get the | impression that the inmates and staff at the prison were really fond of him. like the owner said, he was a therapy pet at the prison for many years, and i believe now that the owner has been in contact with the prison, and they are actually going to take one—eyed joe down to do some therapy sessions within the prison. it is a fascinating tale. it's not a shaggy dog tale, but you know what i mean. amy, animal rescue officer, thank you for your time this morning. it feels quite fitting that the way to stop the cat getting out again is to stop the cat getting out again is to put in prison. it does! headlines coming up. good morning and welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and ben thompson. our headlines today. calls for the united nations to intervene in the war in ukraine, to help evacuate tens of thousands of people from the besieged city of mariupol. the parents of madeleine mccann welcome the news that a german man has been formally made a suspect, over their daughter's disappearance 15 years ago. after a final bid to win support, emmanuel macron and marine le pen urge the people of france to get out and vote in tomorrow's presidential election. in sport, there's a blockbuster night ahead at wembley as tyson fury and dillian whyte get set to face off in the all—british world heavyweight title fight in front of more than 90,000 fans. photos of a trip to the beach to mark prince louis' fourth birthday — the pictures were taken by his mother, the duchess of cambridge. good morning. it is st george's day. a lot of fine weather to come for the uk today but notjust today, it looks like, but the next seven days — a dry looking end to april. more details as to whether you may catch one of our fairly elusive showers over the next 48 hours coming up. it's saturday 23rd april. our main story. the united nations is being urged to step in and help to evacuate tens of thousands of people currently trapped in the ukrainian city of mariupol. the country's deputy prime minister told the bbc an evacuation would only succeed with the united nations' help. the head of the un is due to meet both president zelensky and vladimir putin next week. president zelensky claims russia is intending to invade other countries, as simonjones reports. underattack, ukraine's second city, kharkiv. russia's assault is intensifying. the dangers are clear. despite the destruction, some residents are determined to stay. we are going to fight. to fight as long as it is needed for the victory. fresh attempts are being made to get civilians out of mariupol. 100,000 people are still thought to be trapped there. ukraine's deputy prime minister says the evacuation will only succeed with the help of the un. translation: un right nowjust observes what is happening in mariupol, and if the world unites and demands that this evacuation happens, only then it can happen. to try to halt the fighting, the head of the un will travel to moscow on tuesday for talks with president putin before going to kyiv to meet president zelensky on thursday. there is a mood of urgency. these satellite images are said to show a second mass grave on the outskirts of mariupol. this family, who've made it to safety, say they walked for five days to escape the conflict. translation: we will never forget what happened. we cannot. but we need to keep our spirits up and raise our children. russia says it has captured an arms depot in the kharkiv region, containing thousands of tonnes of ammunition. the uk says it's considering expanding military support to kyiv by giving poland tanks to replace those warsaw is sending to ukraine. we're also looking more at what we can do to backfill in countries such as poland who may want to send heavier weaponry to defend — help defend the ukrainians. and the ukrainian president has welcomed another uk commitment. translation: i am grateful to our british friends - for the important symbolic decision announced today to return the embassy to kyiv. the united kingdom became the 21st country to return a diplomatic mission to our capital, and this shows that we're not the only ones who believe in the victory of life over death. russia has, for the first time, admitted that at least one crew member died when its black sea flagship moskva sank last week. 27 others are unaccounted for. ukraine says it struck the vessel with missiles. moscow has blamed the sinking on a fire. there's claim and counterclaim. but president zelensky says the attack on ukraine is only the beginning, and that russia intends to invade other countries. simon jones, bbc news. our reporterjoe inwood is in kyiv. mariupol once again the focus of efforts to evacuate we understand that will happen in the next hour or so but will people be able to get out safely? in so but will people be able to get out safely?— so but will people be able to get out safel ? :, , :, :, out safely? in the last hour we have heard news — out safely? in the last hour we have heard news from _ out safely? in the last hour we have heard news from the _ out safely? in the last hour we have heard news from the deputy - out safely? in the last hour we have heard news from the deputy prime l heard news from the deputy prime minister of ukraine you heard of in simon's report and she says women, children and the elderly have started to gather at a meeting point in the city of mariupol, ahead of the expected or hoped for humanitarian corridor, which was discussed earlier, and it was said that it would take place at midday, so in a couple of hours. whether that happens we still don't know. we have been at this point many times before. the hoped for humanitarian corridor but in practice they get turned back, shelling happens, something gets in the way. there are many russian checkpoints in between the place where they gather and safety for these people in somewhere like zaporizhzhia so we will believe it when we see it.— it when we see it. quite clearly, and this weekend _ it when we see it. quite clearly, and this weekend more - it when we see it. quite clearly, i and this weekend more important it when we see it. quite clearly, - and this weekend more important than most, it is the orthodox easter weekend. one would assume people want to be able to celebrate, but given what is going on and the situation people are having to live through, what restrictions are in place, and are any gatherings able to happen, particularly where you are, there, in kyiv? i to happen, particularly where you are, there, in kyiv?— to happen, particularly where you are, there, in kyiv? i was going to sa i are, there, in kyiv? ! was going to say i think— are, there, in kyiv? i was going to say i think it _ are, there, in kyiv? i was going to say i think it depends _ are, there, in kyiv? i was going to say i think it depends where - are, there, in kyiv? i was going to say i think it depends where you i are, there, in kyiv? i was going to i say i think it depends where you are full, if you are in kyiv, lviv, odesa, things are still slightly freer, there is a curfew but it is being extended in places. people will be undertaking the traditional easter celebrations, baking easter cake, painting decorative eggs, something done here is part of orthodox easter but if you are an occupied territory or somewhere that is under shelling it are going to be much harder and doubtful that you will have large celebrations but here in kyiv, there will be celebrations taking place tomorrow. and easter is a very important holiday for people here. it is something that was raised in president zelensky�*s address last night. he was talking of beams of light and darkness, good and evil, and the triumph of light over darkness, he was talking about his own nation ukraine as light, and russia, as darkness.— own nation ukraine as light, and russia, as darkness. thank you, from k iv, joe russia, as darkness. thank you, from kyiv. joe inwood- _ madeleine mccann's parents say they welcome the news from portuguese police that a german man has been formally made a suspect over their daughter's disappearance in 2007. kate and gerry mccann said it reflected progress in the investigation and that they still hoped to be reunited with madeleine, who was three when she went missing on a family holiday to the algarve. earlier i asked our correspondent, jon kay, what the latest was in the investigation. we assume that the portuguese authorities will want to question this guy, the question is how they are going to do that, will they leave it to the german police to talk to him in prison where he is being held on unrelated offences and convictions, or will the portuguese want to travel to germany and interrogate him there? all of that has got to be sorted out. i guess there will be a lot of talking. we also have to find out how the british feed into this because the metropolitan police have been involved in this wider investigation as well. will they want to talk to christian bruckner? we know he has previously denied involvement and he is only a suspect at this moment, he has not been charged. the crucial thing is the timing. although the portuguese authorities say that it is not the main driver, you have to remember it is very nearly, in the next few days, it will be 15 years since she went missing. 15 years is a really important point in portugal. after that point in a case like this it is really difficult, it becomes difficult to make somebody an official suspect, so by making this man an official suspect, an arguido, at this point, it gives the authorities more options in the weeks, months, maybe years ahead. jon kay. campaigning has ended in france 5 presidential election, with both candidates urging people to get out and vote tomorrow. the poll is expected to be the closest ever run—off between president emmanuel macron, and his far—right rival marine le pen. our correspondent, hugh schofield is in paris. yesterday was the last day to get those last—minute votes, to grasp some hands and put on some smiles. you did the bestjob? i some hands and put on some smiles. you did the bestjob?— you did the best 'ob? i hesitate to make the call— you did the best 'ob? i hesitate to make the call on— you did the best job? i hesitate to make the call on that _ you did the best job? i hesitate to make the call on that one - you did the best job? i hesitate to make the call on that one but - you did the best job? i hesitate to| make the call on that one but they were certainly both out there. saturday is a rest day before the election when people are supposed to go back to their homes and contemplate and liberate their choice. so nothing in the news at all today but yesterday they were both out, emmanuel macron and marine le pen, marine le pen up in the port near calais which is our heartland. that is where she is an mp and she can always be assured of a good welcome and reception up there. she is a popularfigure welcome and reception up there. she is a popular figure among welcome and reception up there. she is a popularfigure among many people in the provinces. i have certainly seen that travelling round the country over the past few weeks. far from the country over the past few weeks. farfrom being seen the country over the past few weeks. far from being seen as a dangerous far right winger, she is seen as a motherly, familiarfigure. everyone motherly, familiar figure. everyone is motherly, familiarfigure. everyone is shouting out, the only politician in france where she is known by her christian name, and then the areas where she is popular she is very popular, and she was out yesterday gladhanding, and in the south, emmanuel macron was in holiday country, nearthe emmanuel macron was in holiday country, near the dordogne in the south—west doing much the same thing, but his method is more to stand up and give a speech and invite questions, and make it a bit more of a town hall meeting kind of ambience. his selling point is that he is much more bold than marine le pen, going to meet the voters. she goes where she knows she is popular, he goes out to meet potential confrontation.— he goes out to meet potential confrontation. :, :, ,, , :, , confrontation. you, thank you very much, confrontation. you, thank you very much. hugh _ confrontation. you, thank you very much, hugh schofield _ confrontation. you, thank you very much, hugh schofield in _ confrontation. you, thank you very much, hugh schofield in paris. - supermarkets across the uk are limiting how much cooking oil customers are able to buy, as supplies are hit by the war in ukraine. tesco is allowing three items per customer, while waitrose and morrisons have limited shoppers to two items each. the british retail consortium says the restrictions are a temporary measure "to ensure availability for everyone." new photographs of prince louis have been released today to mark his fourth birthday. the pictures were taken earlier this month by his mother, the duchess of cambridge. they show louis — who is the youngest of william and catherine's three children — enjoying a trip to the beach whilst on a family trip to norfolk. talking about pictures... we've been getting your fantastic blossom pics this morning to celebrate the wonderful blossoms. send your pictures and, in droves. let's have look at them. carole in lancashire sent us this photo of her son and daughter—in—law, adam and courtney, under a blossom tree on their wedding day. fiona's been in touch too. this gorgeous photo of blossoms from her garden in fife. mark in north yorkshire says this is his view from his bedroom window this morning. lovely to wake up to. emma sent us this photo of her cherry and apple trees in blossom along with other spring flowers from her garden in devon. we will find out from susan later if it is gardening weather. this is craig's view from his garden in moreton on marsh of his apple blossom. and simon sent us this photo of his granddaughter darcie, who wore blossom to celebrate earth day at school yesterday. how long will it stick around? that is what i have been asking this morning. nobody knows that! it looks beautiful, then it is a bit windy, and it is gone so susan might have some answers. is susan going to just crush all the blossom hopes?! taste crush all the blossom hopes?! we have an crush all the blossom hopes?! 9 have an easterly wind feeding a cross is at the moment. talking about the french elections, we often look at the weather for our elections closer to home. this area of low pressure will make for a stormy day on france it was sunday. if it stays to the south of the uk through the weekend, it is this high that dominates the weather so, lots of dry weather to come, but the squeeze between those weather systems is what produces a fairly keen easterly wind. more —— it will pull the blossom about, a pit. there is fine weather today so nobody rainfall to start damaging those blooms. we will see some cloud in the west perhaps giving the odd shower for the south—west of england, wales and the west midlands during the second half of the day. slightly more stubborn cloud across northern scotland. the easterly wind definitely making it a fresher feel to proceedings along the length of the north sea coast where it will cap temperatures at around 12 celsius. furtherwest cap temperatures at around 12 celsius. further west in the sunshine, we should see 16 or 17, as the high. here is that low pressure ploughing into france, dropping some heavy rain in places. that northern flank may give some showers overnight to southern counties of england. there could be a few left for the south—west and the channel islands first thing on sunday. again on sunday we are talking about lots of dry weather. more on the way of sunshine for the majority of the uk. still some cloud lingering across northern scotland. temperatures looking similar to today, naga and ben. :. looking similar to today, naga and ben. :, :, :, :, covid—19 infections have fallen across the whole of the uk for the first time since january, according to latest figures released by the office for national statistics. the study is based on testing, and gives the clearest available picture of how the virus is spreading. let's take you through some of the figures. nearly four million people across the uk had covid in the week to 16th april 2022 — that's 15% fewer than the week before. by the end of march, weekly infections had reached a record high with 4.9 million people testing positive nationwide. an estimated 70% of the population in england has contracted the virus at least once since the end of april. so where does all of that leave us now? we're joined now by our regular experts, virologist dr chris smith and professor of public health, linda bauld. chris and linda, good morning to you both. we willjump into the viewers' questions in a moment but let me start with you, chris. what do you make of those numbers and what does it tell us about the way this virus is spreading at the moment. it tell us about the way this virus is spreading at the moment. the omicron variant _ is spreading at the moment. ti9 omicron variant was different to the kent variant, alpha variant and the original variant so the immunity that people already had to those infections if they had caught them and the immunity to the vaccines was more limited. so it was able to spread because basically the entire population was vulnerable to infection. we estimate the rate of reinfection was 15 fold higher than previously. because we had got lots of cases very quickly, the virus spread amongst all the people having the most contact with each other, going to work, school, etc and like all these things it would eventually run out of people to infect and that is what has happened stop we see a boom and bust cycle, the virus infects as many people as possible that are well connected together, renders them immune, then runs out of people to infect and because fewer people are getting infected there are fewer people that can pass on the infection and cases come down. that is the boom and bust cycle expect to see and that is what we have now seen, the high water mark, case is now coming down. thank ou for mark, case is now coming down. thank you for that. — mark, case is now coming down. thank you for that, chris. _ mark, case is now coming down. thank you for that, chris. linda, _ mark, case is now coming down. thank you for that, chris. linda, on _ mark, case is now coming down. thank you for that, chris. linda, on the - you forthat, chris. linda, on the statistics and numbers, amanda from devon is asking how many people dying from the uk are vaccinated and how old are they?— dying from the uk are vaccinated and how old are they? good question from amanda. how old are they? good question from amanda- what — how old are they? good question from amanda. what we _ how old are they? good question from amanda. what we saw _ how old are they? good question from amanda. what we saw earlier - how old are they? good question from amanda. what we saw earlier in - how old are they? good question from amanda. what we saw earlier in the i amanda. what we saw earlier in the pandemic— amanda. what we saw earlier in the pandemic was the uk health security agency— pandemic was the uk health security agency and public in scotland producing tables that broke it down by how— producing tables that broke it down by how many doses you had and whether— by how many doses you had and whether you were unvaccinated. some of that _ whether you were unvaccinated. some of that reporting of the frequency has been — of that reporting of the frequency has been scaled back and a number of bits of— has been scaled back and a number of bits of surveillance but one that is useful— bits of surveillance but one that is useful is— bits of surveillance but one that is useful is that we can look at the a-e useful is that we can look at the age standardised mortality ratio by vaccination status, and that is published _ vaccination status, and that is published by uk hsa and ons and if you look— published by uk hsa and ons and if you look for covid—19 insights comparing the data you can find those _ comparing the data you can find those tables and when we standardised by age, the risk of death— standardised by age, the risk of death from covid—19 is still significantly higher in people who are unvaccinated, particularly compared to people who have had their booster stop in fact the boosters _ their booster stop in fact the boosters if you have had years relatively— boosters if you have had years relatively recently the last few months — relatively recently the last few months are really protecting this mortality— months are really protecting this mortality by about 95% according to uk hsa _ mortality by about 95% according to uk hsa analysis. and specifically on a man— uk hsa analysis. and specifically on a man that — uk hsa analysis. and specifically on a man that was my you can find the data on— a man that was my you can find the data on the — a man that was my you can find the data on the number of people dying in different age groups. for scotland even over the last three days. _ scotland even over the last three days, between the 20th and 22nd of april. _ days, between the 20th and 22nd of april. you _ days, between the 20th and 22nd of april, you can see we had 28 deaths, people _ april, you can see we had 28 deaths, people are _ april, you can see we had 28 deaths, people are still dying from this disease — people are still dying from this disease in scotland but only one of those _ disease in scotland but only one of those was — disease in scotland but only one of those was in somebody under the age of 60. _ those was in somebody under the age of 60. and _ those was in somebody under the age of 60, and the vast majority of them were people over the age of 80. the reason _ were people over the age of 80. the reason for— were people over the age of 80. the reason for that is that older people in particular have taken up the vaccines— in particular have taken up the vaccines and the boosters in the vast _ vaccines and the boosters in the vast numbers. even after 100% for some _ vast numbers. even after100% for some of— vast numbers. even after 100% for some of the — vast numbers. even after 100% for some of the doses that we have seen. but, some of the doses that we have seen. but. because— some of the doses that we have seen. but, because older people are more vulnerable _ but, because older people are more vulnerable and may have other conditions, if they pick up covid—19 ended _ conditions, if they pick up covid—19 ended up— conditions, if they pick up covid—19 ended up in— conditions, if they pick up covid—19 ended up in hospital it may be a thing _ ended up in hospital it may be a thing that— ended up in hospital it may be a thing that still contributes to mortality because of that vulnerability so, the vaccines are working — vulnerability so, the vaccines are working and protecting against hospitalisation and death but not 100% _ hospitalisation and death but not 100% protecting, and age is still the single biggest risk factor that we see — the single biggest risk factor that we see. :. the single biggest risk factor that we see. :, y :, the single biggest risk factor that we see. :, y:, :, ,, the single biggest risk factor that we see. :, :, ,, :, we see. linda, you talk about vaccines _ we see. linda, you talk about vaccines and _ we see. linda, you talk about vaccines and boosters, - we see. linda, you talk about vaccines and boosters, a - we see. linda, you talk about - vaccines and boosters, a question from douglas who asks why is the oxford astrazeneca vaccine not being used any more. the astrazeneca vaccine has been fantastic and highly effective against the risk of going into hospital and mortality. looking at the first and second doses— looking at the first and second doses used in the uk, many of those were astrazeneca and even in scotland. _ were astrazeneca and even in scotland, for the whole vaccine programme, astrazeneca was over one third of— programme, astrazeneca was over one third of all— programme, astrazeneca was over one third of all vaccines delivered but the change occurred for the booster campaigns — the change occurred for the booster campaigns. this is because the studies — campaigns. this is because the studies that the uk health security agency— studies that the uk health security agency and others were looking at, the boost _ agency and others were looking at, the boost study in particular done by colleagues at university college london _ by colleagues at university college london and university of southampton and elsewhere assured that the mra vaccines— and elsewhere assured that the mra vaccines were good for the booster, so far— vaccines were good for the booster, so far had _ vaccines were good for the booster, so far had been used for the booster and the _ so far had been used for the booster and the additional one that has been rolled _ and the additional one that has been rolled out— and the additional one that has been rolled out so that is even on top of the first— rolled out so that is even on top of the first doses from the same vaccines. _ the first doses from the same vaccines, the mra vaccines or the astrazeneca, it looks to be the most effective _ astrazeneca, it looks to be the most effective approach so were astrazeneca has been used is in two scenarios _ astrazeneca has been used is in two scenarios. first of all there is a small— scenarios. first of all there is a small group of people, several thousand — small group of people, several thousand in scotland, who have had an a2 _ thousand in scotland, who have had an a2 booster because they are allergic— an a2 booster because they are allergic to — an a2 booster because they are allergic to a constituent of the other— allergic to a constituent of the other vaccines and equally, the az other vaccines and equally, the a2 is being _ other vaccines and equally, the a2 is being used to deliver initial doses— is being used to deliver initial doses worldwide. we are lucky to have _ doses worldwide. we are lucky to have so _ doses worldwide. we are lucky to have so many vaccines but for the boosters. — have so many vaccines but for the boosters, the main rationale for the mra vaccine to be used wasjust based _ mra vaccine to be used wasjust based on — mra vaccine to be used wasjust based on usage. mra vaccine to be used was 'ust based on usagei mra vaccine to be used was 'ust based on usage. paulfrom bristol sa s if based on usage. paulfrom bristol says if you — based on usage. paulfrom bristol says if you had — based on usage. paulfrom bristol says if you had a _ based on usage. paulfrom bristol says if you had a positive - based on usage. paulfrom bristol says if you had a positive lft - says if you had a positive lft lateral flow test... does the virus just die off naturally, how long does it take?— just die off naturally, how long does it take? 9 , :, :, : does it take? when you are infected ou take does it take? when you are infected you take lots _ does it take? when you are infected you take lots of _ does it take? when you are infected you take lots of virus _ does it take? when you are infected you take lots of virus particles - you take lots of virus particles initially and as the infection is combated by your immune system the virus finds it harder to grow in the body and is slowly pushed out unless you have some kind of underlying immune problem that means you cannot get rid of the virus. and that made headlines this week with people who have been testing positive for, in some cases, nearly two years. in other words, as your body pushes out the virus, the amount that you have got in your body is falling, with time. it does not switch off like a light bulb at the flick of a switch, it falls gently and more slowly with more time. so it is a gentle curve. the lateralflow more time. so it is a gentle curve. the lateral flow test works by looking for what we call antigen. the bits of the virus that it makes as it grows in your cells. and the more virus that is there, the more that you are going to make and the more likely the test is to be positive. so that means that, with time, you will get to a point where there is not enough virus to trigger there is not enough virus to trigger the test to be positive, but there may still be some virus there, and scientists have looked at people from across the world, actually come across the last two years, and you can find in some people for a really long time after infection evidence that the virus is loitering in certain parts of the body for months, and that does not mean they are still actively productively infected, if you look hard enough you can find it but they are not infected enough to pass the infection onto a third party. so it is really all about numbers. how much viruses on your body, how much you are dispensing into the around you, is that a sufficient infectious dose to pass the infection onto another? the lateral flow test is intended to try to indicate when you are most infectious and therefore most of a threat to others but if you look hard enough you will still find bits of the virus or even whole virus in you potentially for months after infection.— after infection. chris, picking up on the drop _ after infection. chris, picking up on the drop in — after infection. chris, picking up on the drop in numbers, - after infection. chris, picking up| on the drop in numbers, richard after infection. chris, picking up - on the drop in numbers, richard has asked, with the covid figures reducing across the uk, are we now entering herd immunity or is itjust the fact that people are not bothering to test or report results, because of course, now, tests are not free. 9 9. because of course, now, tests are not free. 9 :, :, , :, , because of course, now, tests are notfree. 9 :, :, , :, not free. we are in a phase of herd immunity. — not free. we are in a phase of herd immunity, whereby _ not free. we are in a phase of herd immunity, whereby people, - not free. we are in a phase of herd immunity, whereby people, we - not free. we are in a phase of herd i immunity, whereby people, we think, people have 70% of the time caught infection already, 70% of the population have had one breast with coronavirus infection. we have very high levels of vaccine uptake. in some age sectors it is as high as 100% uptake. so that means we have very high levels of comprehensive immunity against infection to stop but it comes down to how you define immunity. immunity is not an all or nothing thing in the context of this coronavirus. you can be put —— prevented from catching severe disease and ending up in hospital, prevented from dying, 95% of the time with the vaccine, but it does not mean you will not catch the infection. these vaccines are really good at preventing severe disease. they are less effective at stopping you catching the infection. it depends how you define herd immunity, but when you are first infected or recovered from infection or you have been first vaccinated, you almost certainly are protected from infection, and that is what has reigned in the current outbreak because we have seen big case numbers, lots of infectious, high levels of immunity in the aftermath and the virus will not be able to infect those people for a level of time afterwards so the levels will come down. time afterwards so the levels will come down-— time afterwards so the levels will come down. :, , :, :, , come down. linda, everyone hears stories of being _ come down. linda, everyone hears stories of being at _ come down. linda, everyone hears stories of being at an _ come down. linda, everyone hears stories of being at an event - come down. linda, everyone hears stories of being at an event and . stories of being at an event and some people catch it and others don't and there are myths about why they might not get it and this next question from naomi has probably no clear answer but how long do you have to be in contact with the infection to actually catch it, do we know? i infection to actually catch it, do we know? 9. infection to actually catch it, do we know?— infection to actually catch it, do we know? :, :, , , :, , :, :, we know? i am really pleased naomi has asked that _ we know? i am really pleased naomi has asked that question. _ we know? i am really pleased naomi has asked that question. we - we know? i am really pleased naomi has asked that question. we have i we know? i am really pleased naomi| has asked that question. we have not had that— has asked that question. we have not had that for— has asked that question. we have not had that for a while. the reason it is important, early in the pandemic, we had _ is important, early in the pandemic, we had a _ is important, early in the pandemic, we had a 50 — is important, early in the pandemic, we had a 50 unit rule that we talked a lot about — we had a 50 unit rule that we talked a lot about if you were within two metres— a lot about if you were within two metres of— a lot about if you were within two metres of someone for 15 minutes or more. _ metres of someone for 15 minutes or more. you _ metres of someone for 15 minutes or more, you hear a close contact, you are much— more, you hear a close contact, you are much more at risk. that was based _ are much more at risk. that was based on — are much more at risk. that was based on the fact that there is no magic— based on the fact that there is no magic number, for either closeness or duration — magic number, for either closeness or duration of contact but clearly if you _ or duration of contact but clearly if you are — or duration of contact but clearly if you are close to someone who is infected _ if you are close to someone who is infected is — if you are close to someone who is infected is perhaps not wearing a face covering and breathing the same air as _ face covering and breathing the same air as you _ face covering and breathing the same air as you and you do that for a while _ air as you and you do that for a while of— air as you and you do that for a while of course you are at high risk. _ while of course you are at high risk. but — while of course you are at high risk, but those numbers are not that useful— risk, but those numbers are not that useful now— risk, but those numbers are not that useful now because we know that covid-i9 — useful now because we know that covid-i9 is — useful now because we know that covid—19 is an airborne virus, and even _ covid—19 is an airborne virus, and even if— covid—19 is an airborne virus, and even if in — covid—19 is an airborne virus, and even if in close contact with someone _ even if in close contact with someone for a short period or maybe even further — someone for a short period or maybe even further away for that short period _ even further away for that short period of— even further away for that short period of time you can still pick it up period of time you can still pick it up so _ period of time you can still pick it up so the — period of time you can still pick it up so the think we need to remember is to think— up so the think we need to remember is to think about our behaviour and our environments. are we in poor ventilation. — our environments. are we in poor ventilation, is it then close, are we really— ventilation, is it then close, are we really face—to—face? that is far more _ we really face—to—face? that is far more risky— we really face—to—face? that is far more risky than if you are further apart— more risky than if you are further apart and — more risky than if you are further apart and a — more risky than if you are further apart and a final point briefly on that. _ apart and a final point briefly on that. the — apart and a final point briefly on that, the other thing of course is what _ that, the other thing of course is what we — that, the other thing of course is what we call the incubation period, how quickly we might develop symptoms and we know with omicron that is— symptoms and we know with omicron that is much— symptoms and we know with omicron that is much more quickly so someone can pick— that is much more quickly so someone can pick up— that is much more quickly so someone can pick up the virus from a short contact _ can pick up the virus from a short contact and — can pick up the virus from a short contact and they might have a day or two before _ contact and they might have a day or two before developing symptoms, they itii-ht two before developing symptoms, they might be _ two before developing symptoms, they might be infectious then and that is a shorter— might be infectious then and that is a shorter duration than we saw with delta _ a shorter duration than we saw with delta so _ a shorter duration than we saw with delta so all— a shorter duration than we saw with delta so all of these things need to be kept _ delta so all of these things need to be kept in — delta so all of these things need to be kept in mind. the basic public health— be kept in mind. the basic public health advice is remaining the same, think about _ health advice is remaining the same, think about behaviour, environment and who— think about behaviour, environment and who you are with, is that person more _ and who you are with, is that person more vulnerable or not and these are things— more vulnerable or not and these are things that _ more vulnerable or not and these are things that we want to keep in mind. good _ things that we want to keep in mind. good advice — things that we want to keep in mind. good advice as 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the war in ukraine, one soldier caught the attention of the world after defiantly swearing at a russian warship when being told to surrender. soon after, the ukrainian government declared that he, along with his fellow sailors, had been killed. in actualfact, they'd been taken prisoner, and were later released. the impact the false news had on the soldier's family is now the subject of a new bbc podcast "war on truth". translation: and then i was lost. i lost my life, so to speak. i mean, i am sorry, but without him, my life just doesn't make sense. i call him my diamond. he is all i have in this life. so when he disappeared and there was no news at all, ijust didn't want to live. absolutely. i didn't want to live. absolutely. i did not want to live. i said, if something happened to him and he died, i would something happened to him and he died, iwould not something happened to him and he died, i would not be a day on this earth without him. i heard my sons voice. mum, hi. iwas afraid, i almost fainted. the ground fell away beneath me. the earth from under my feet. i got dizzy and i very nearly fainted from this huge surprise. and we are nowjoined by the bbc“s specialist disinformation reporter, marianna spring. good morning. it is a fantastic and fascinating pod cast. it gives us a real sense that on one side there is this fog of war, it's very difficult to get a lot of information when so much is going on, but equally we are seeing on the other side that there is a lot of disinformation and misinformation, and you will clarify the two for us in a second. the purposes of either russia or ukraine, and that's what you've been looking at in this podcast. each week i have — looking at in this podcast. each week i have been _ looking at in this podcast. e991 week i have been interviewing someone caught up in this information war over ukraine. this story exemplifies the difficulty in distinguishing what is down to chaos and confusion, what is misinformation, accidental bad or misleading claims that are made, and then deliberate disinformation tactics and propaganda, and we have seen that contradiction happening throughout the war. when it comes to the story of roman, people might remember that clip where he told a russian warship to go away in not very appropriate language for breakfast, and that went mega spiral. he became this symbol of ukrainian resistance, and everyone at the time thought that he had died. and so did his mum. this roller—coaster she went on, from thinking he had died, to then suddenly seeing him pop up. someone said he was on russian tv, he was alive, he was taken prisoner, to then get a phone call from him. the emotional roller—coaster that someone living this misinformation experiences is, in itself, incredibly moving and fascinating. just to clarify, how they said, who had said they were dead? who said they were alive? for it, or not alive, for it to be assumed that they were dead and not captured. this gets to the crux of the problem. after this happened, the ukrainian government said these guys have all died and we are going to award them these medals for bravery, which is why tatiana, his mum, thought he had died. in the days afterwards, when they popped up on russian tv, russian said look, they are not dead, we have got them captive and ukraine have lied to you. in many ways, if these guys had died, they became the ultimate martyrs, and that is a powerful propaganda tool for ukraine. for russia it was a chance to say, look, the ukrainian government are not always right. but when you really get down into this story in particular, in the days after this happened, ukraine did send out a search boat and were quick to correct the record when they realised these guys have been taken prisoner. when roman came home he met the government and was awarded this medal, and there is even a stamp that has been created in his honour with an image of him depicting the phrase. latte honour with an image of him depicting the phrase. we will leave it at that for _ depicting the phrase. we will leave it at that for that _ depicting the phrase. we will leave it at that for that image! _ depicting the phrase. we will leave it at that for that image! what i depicting the phrase. we will leave it at that for that image! what is i it at that for that image! what is so interesting about this war is a lot of people call it the first social media war, and i don't think thatis social media war, and i don't think that is necessarily true, but what is true is the speed at which this misinformation and disinformation can spread, it's a new challenge that everyone is trying to deal with. : , ,:, , , that everyone is trying to deal with. : , , :, that everyone is trying to deal with. : , , , :, :, with. absolutely it is, and we have seen how it _ with. absolutely it is, and we have seen how it can _ with. absolutely it is, and we have seen how it can be _ with. absolutely it is, and we have seen how it can be both _ with. absolutely it is, and we have seen how it can be both very i seen how it can be both very difficult to figure out what is going on because there is misleading videos, false claims, allegations being made, but also how real people are targeted and caught up in this, like tatiana and her son, but also people who have been accused of staging photos when they were actually really injured, or people i've interviewed for the pod cast who have posted a video online of the poor elite macro apartment block that has been bombed only to be told that's not true, it didn't happen like this. it's terrifying for these people do have the reality they are experiencing denied to them, and it's important to understand the real consequences this has, both for those individuals, but also for all of us trying to make sense of what is happening. the purpose of disinformation is to cause confusion, to sow seeds of division, to make us think, did that really happen like that? when we can't cut through that disinformation it stops us understanding the truth of what is happening, and the suffering that a lot of people are experiencing on the ground. {jut a lot of people are experiencing on the ground-— the ground. out of interest, how does tatiana _ the ground. out of interest, how does tatiana 's, _ the ground. out of interest, how does tatiana 's, raymond i the ground. out of interest, how does tatiana 's, raymond mum, j the ground. out of interest, how i does tatiana 's, raymond mum, now does tatiana “s, raymond mum, now feel about the disinformation coming through? i feel about the disinformation coming throu:h? 9. r' feel about the disinformation coming throuth? :, ~' :, through? i asked her, i said ukraine lied about your— through? i asked her, i said ukraine lied about your son _ through? i asked her, i said ukraine lied about your son dying, _ through? i asked her, i said ukraine lied about your son dying, and i through? i asked her, i said ukraine lied about your son dying, and she i lied about your son dying, and she was really distressed when she thought he had died, and she really wishes she hadn't been told that in the first place. it is also proud of her country, proud of her president, and was generally quite supportive. to me, there is one bit of the pod cast that i thought was powerful where she said, before this, no one really listened to us, and no one had any interest in what i had to say. and now my son is this brave hero. while i would rather not have lived these twists and turns, if his story can be the legend that inspires others, that's important to me. we've seen that a lot of propaganda on the side of ukraine, the tales of heroism don't turn out quite as you think.— quite as you think. does she trust what she is _ quite as you think. does she trust what she is hearing _ quite as you think. does she trust what she is hearing now, - quite as you think. does she trust what she is hearing now, or i quite as you think. does she trust what she is hearing now, or does| quite as you think. does she trust i what she is hearing now, or does she cast a more critical ear and eye on any report? i cast a more critical ear and eye on any report?— cast a more critical ear and eye on an retort? ,, , :, : ,, :, , any report? i think she acknowledges that it is hard — any report? i think she acknowledges that it is hard to _ any report? i think she acknowledges that it is hard to know _ any report? i think she acknowledges that it is hard to know what's - any report? i think she acknowledges that it is hard to know what's going i that it is hard to know what's going on, and that confusion and fog of war is contributing to that. she only has a landline, she doesn't use social media very much, so unlike most of the people i talk to, she doesn't have to worry about disinformation in that way. very sensible. propaganda in war is nothing new, but how do we know what we are looking at? this is what you do, it is your dayjob. you are filtering all of this information that not any comes into the bbc, but all around the world. how should we check to make sure what we're is true? “ . check to make sure what we're is true? �* , ,:, check to make sure what we're is true? �*, :, :, , true? it's so important that people do really think— true? it's so important that people do really think about _ true? it's so important that people do really think about what - true? it's so important that people do really think about what they i true? it's so important that people do really think about what they are sharing because otherwise you end up affecting the real people on the ground, and you become a vector of disinformation. interrogate what you are looking at, ask questions about where a video is, or what might have happened. if it's really emotional, just pause for a second. the snake island story is a good example of something that caught all of our imaginations, provoked a reaction and lots of people shared it and said this is what happened. on both sides, both the ukrainian and russian government will put out propaganda, and you have to think about what they are sharing and why, but it is happening in a certain context, russia has invaded ukraine. the question where it is coming from and who is saying it, and if it's not obvious that to be true think twice about sharing it.— not obvious that to be true think twice about sharing it. the "war on truth" is available on bbc sounds. now, the sports news. that was fascinating. a big fight tonight. a heavyweight title fight with tyson fury as the heavyweight champion taking on the challenger, fellow briton dillian whyte. it is going to be outside at wembley stadium, 94,000 people in the audience. we are getting excited, even though it's early in the morning. a lot to be looking forward to. our reporter ade adedoyin joins us now from outside the stadium. we have been billing it here or this morning, you know, there's so much excitement and hype around it. from your perspective, you've been within the camps all week, in the build—up to it, is this big four boxing fans as well? it to it, is this big four boxing fans as well? . 9. to it, is this big four boxing fans as well? , :, ., to it, is this big four boxing fans as well? , :, :, ., to it, is this big four boxing fans as well? , :, :, :, :, ., ,, as well? it is a great night to look forward to — as well? it is a great night to look forward to because, _ as well? it is a great night to look forward to because, as _ as well? it is a great night to look forward to because, as you i as well? it is a great night to look forward to because, as you say, i forward to because, as you say, 94,000 fans here is a new european record as far as boxing is concerned. it is also the first time that two britons will challenge for the heavyweight title on uk soil since 1993, nearly 30 years ago. that was when lennox lewis beat frank bruno in cardiff. i spoke to lennox lewis yesterday, he said this shows that the epicentre of boxing is here in britain. when you think about top rank contenders, you have got tyson fury as champion, anthony joshua, but once upon a time it was the americans dominating this division. it's now the british and stadium fights are notoriously difficult to fill, but 94,000 people will be here, so a really good night of boxing to look forward to. it will be a great atmosphere, i wonder how that will affect the boxes when they get into the ring. whether it might affect the style of fight that we might see. might affect the style of fight that we might see-— we might see. what are the expectations? _ we might see. what are the expectations? yes, - we might see. what are the expectations? yes, that's i | we might see. what are the i expectations? yes, that's i went we might see. what are the - expectations? yes, that's i went to portugal two weeks ago to spend a day with dillian whyte at his training camp and the one thing they talk about is trying to replicate the conditions denied because they are going to be fighting outdoors and a lot of his fights happen indoors. so he trained indoors in the daytime, but at night time they had a ring constructed outside to replicate the cold conditions. whilst it is quite warm now, it will be cold this evening, and you need to stay warmed up and you don't want to stay warmed up and you don't want to go out in the ring and get cold. tyson fury is used to these big occasions, and this is a really big test for dillian whyte who has waited some three years to get this opportunity to challenge for the title. the impression i got spending a day with him is that they have left no stone unturned in this quest to become heavyweight champion. he knows the magnitude of the task ahead. and you saw what happened when tyson fury fought deontay wilder, he said he will take risks tonight and he will do whatever it takes to win. i think it's an interesting match, they know each other very well, they trained together in their early 20s. tyson fury said at a press conference, he is expecting a tough test and he paid dillian whyte the tribute by training diligently for what he expects to be a tough night. at expects to be a tough night. of course, this fight has been dominated as well in the build—up by controversy, you know, tyson fury potentially being involved in that. do you think those links to the organised crime group that everyone has been talking about, do you think that will have any sort of impact tonight or will that fade away when the fight gets under way? yes. tonight or will that fade away when the fight gets under way? yes, that overshadowed _ the fight gets under way? yes, that overshadowed the _ the fight gets under way? yes, that overshadowed the build-up - the fight gets under way? yes, that overshadowed the build-up to - the fight gets under way? yes, that overshadowed the build-up to this. overshadowed the build—up to this fight because there were a lot of questions about his relationship and he has severed all business ties with daniel in 2020. the contents of this is that he was sanctioned by the us covenant globally, they alleged he is the head of a criminal organisation, daniel. they stopped his bank accounts, assets frozen, theyissued his bank accounts, assets frozen, they issued a reward of up to $5 million for any information to lead to his arrest, or the arrest of any senior members of this alleged criminal group. tyson fury said he has had no business dealings with him, he has nothing to do with him, his sole focus is on this big test against dillian whyte. as contradictory as it sounds, sometimes four boxes the safest place is in the ring. you can control what happens in there. all the talk about daniel this week he could not control that. as the week went on, you could tell there was a sense of frustration in his camp. once you step on the ring, all that goes away and all he has to focus on is facing what is going to be a potentially formidable opponent in dillian whyte. i don't think it's going to be a problem. you will remember when he fought vladimir in the build—up to the fight he talked about issues with his mental health. i was ringside that night, and once that bell rang, his sole focus was on the fight and he produced a brilliant performance. i don't think it will be a factor tonight. tyson fury came in and lighter than he did for the deontay wilder fight, fury came in and lighter than he did for the deontay wilderfight, so maybe that's an indication of how he plans to approach this fight. dillian whyte is a hard puncher, and he says he is going to go for it tonight. he will take risks, but what he will do is seize the opportunity because it has taken a long time for him to get here, and if it doesn't go his way tonight, there is no guarantee he'll get another title shot. {lila there is no guarantee he'll get another title shot.— there is no guarantee he'll get another title shot. 0k, live from wembley stadium, _ another title shot. 0k, live from wembley stadium, thank - another title shot. 0k, live from wembley stadium, thank you. i manchester united are at arsenal in the lunch—time kick—off, with a win for either side moving them closer to a top four finish and champions league football next season. arsenal go into the game three points ahead of united, but arsenal's manager mikel arteta says there's a long way to go yet, even if they win today's match. i think there will be a lot of twists still, so we have to look at the performance and we deserved to win the match tomorrow, i think it will be difficult. i am excited about the option we have ahead of us and we will give it a go and try our best. league two crawley town have suspended their managerjohn yems after accusations of discriminatory language towards his own players. yems has been in charge at the club since 2019. the club have released a statement this morning saying they were made aware of serious and credible accusations that yems used discriminatory language and behavior. he has been suspended indefinitely while they investigate. he told the bbc earlier that he was not in a position to comment on the allegations at the moment. and that is all the sports news. enjoy the boxing tonight. thank you, sarah. we will stick with sport. we have got a few animal stories this morning. we told you about the one eyed cat, and now, this animal doesn't have a name. but it does have two eyes. it's a bird! an unexpected visitor meant play had to be paused at the world snooker championships yesterday. take a look at this. this is the moment a pigeon flew into the crucible in sheffield. oblivious to the commotion, the bird casually strutted along the table's cushion, before eventually flying off! the referee had to ask the crowd to settle down before the game was re—started. the pigeon was eventually ushered out through the players entrance. let's find out more about this. at the heart of the excitement was former professional snooker player and bbc commentator, john virgo, whojoins us now. good morning, john. tell us your reaction to this.— good morning, john. tell us your reaction to this. well, i've seen a lot of things _ reaction to this. well, i've seen a lot of things happen _ reaction to this. well, i've seen a lot of things happen in _ reaction to this. well, i've seen a lot of things happen in venues, . reaction to this. well, i've seen a i lot of things happen in venues, but that was the first for me, seeing a pigeon. thankfully, as you just said, it got out safely. it wasn't harmed. but it was a scary moment, really. i harmed. but it was a scary moment, reall . ., ., ., , ., really. i mean, what do you do? i saw one of— really. i mean, what do you do? i saw one of the _ really. i mean, what do you do? i saw one of the players _ really. i mean, what do you do? i saw one of the players reactions. | saw one of the players reactions. what do you do?— saw one of the players reactions. what do you do? how does it affect ou? what do you do? how does it affect you? well. — what do you do? how does it affect you? well. as _ what do you do? how does it affect you? well. as i _ what do you do? how does it affect you? well, as i say, _ what do you do? how does it affect you? well, as i say, we _ what do you do? how does it affect you? well, as i say, we have - what do you do? how does it affect you? well, as i say, we have had i you? well, as i say, we have had problems with flies and wasps and things like that, but never something like a pigeon. as frank spencer would say, thank goodness it didn't do a whoopsie on the table! every frame at the world championship, the atmosphere, people get that, it is generated at home. it is a big occasion for all the players and it could have been off—putting, but thankfully, the pigeon had a walk around and said that'll do, and off he went. so no harm done, so to speak. figs that'll do, and off he went. so no harm done, so to speak.- that'll do, and off he went. so no harm done, so to speak. as you say, a re harm done, so to speak. as you say, a pretty rare — harm done, so to speak. as you say, a pretty rare occurrence, _ harm done, so to speak. as you say, a pretty rare occurrence, but - harm done, so to speak. as you say, a pretty rare occurrence, but what i a pretty rare occurrence, but what are the rules? if you can't get rid of a pigeon on a snooker table at a world championship, what happens? well, i don't know. get a net, i suppose. is the only way you're going to get it out, i think. the referee tried to grab hold of it, but no, not very successfully. as i say, thankfully it got out of the loading bay and nobody was hurt. john, if the pigeon had done a whoopsie on the table, honestly, what would have been the procedure? evenif what would have been the procedure? even if it was cleaned up, you can't clean up a whoopsie and still have a true running, you know, the bays would be affected and so on. fair comment. _ would be affected and so on. fair comment. yes- — would be affected and so on. fa; " comment, yes. maybe they would have had to get the shampoo out, may be the hoover. play may have been delayed. the only time i can remember play being delayed is when alex higgins played fred davis years ago and it started raining and there was a lovely picture of the two of them stood under an umbrella by the snooker table. that was the only time i remember. is snooker table. that was the only time i remember.— time i remember. is there not a sare time i remember. is there not a spare snooker _ time i remember. is there not a spare snooker table? _ time i remember. is there not a spare snooker table? no, - time i remember. is there not a spare snooker table? no, they. time i remember. is there not a i spare snooker table? no, they are not blow no _ spare snooker table? no, they are not blow up things, _ spare snooker table? no, they are not blow up things, you _ spare snooker table? no, they are not blow up things, you know! - spare snooker table? no, they are | not blow up things, you know! they weigh about a tonne. i not blow up things, you know! they weigh about a tonne.— weigh about a tonne. i 'ust thought there would — weigh about a tonne. i 'ust thought there would be h weigh about a tonne. ijust thought there would be another— weigh about a tonne. ijust thought there would be another one. - weigh about a tonne. ijust thought there would be another one. one l weigh about a tonne. i just thought i there would be another one. one they could wield in. _ there would be another one. one they could wield in. no, _ there would be another one. one they could wield in. no, i'm _ there would be another one. one they could wield in. no, i'm sorry. - there would be another one. one they could wield in. no, i'm sorry. no, - could wield in. no, i'm sorry. no, they are very heavy. they weigh a couple of turns, don't they? i mean, there are tables in the practice room but that would defeat the object because you would be playing in there and nobody could watch you play. in there and nobody could watch you play-_ i hope - in there and nobody could watch you play-_ i hope i've i play. john, thank you. i hope i've liven play. john, thank you. i hope i've given you — play. john, thank you. i hope i've given you an _ play. john, thank you. i hope i've given you an explanation! - play. john, thank you. i hope i've given you an explanation! you i play. john, thank you. i hope i've i given you an explanation! you have, thank you- — thank you. the weight of a snooker table, guide weight is £450. the weight of a snooker table, guide weight is “50-— weight is £450. yes, but a snooker table at the — weight is £450. yes, but a snooker table at the crucible _ weight is £450. yes, but a snooker table at the crucible is _ weight is £450. yes, but a snooker table at the crucible is bigger- weight is £450. yes, but a snooker table at the crucible is bigger than | table at the crucible is bigger than that. ~ . ., table at the crucible is bigger than that. . . ., ., , ., that. ok. we could double that. i will be about _ that. ok. we could double that. i will be about 340. _ that. ok. we could double that. i will be about 340. i'm _ that. ok. we could double that. i will be about 340. i'm looking i that. ok. we could double that. i will be about 340. i'm looking it. that. ok. we could double that. i i will be about 340. i'm looking it up as we speak. it is 1000 kilos. {lila as we speak. it is 1000 kilos. ok, well, ou as we speak. it is 1000 kilos. ok, well. you don't — as we speak. it is 1000 kilos. (iii, well, you don't wield them around too often, do you question mark no, i don't have the muscles for that. john, thank you for talking to us. well, it was good because it got the snooker on the front page.- snooker on the front page. always aood to snooker on the front page. always good to be — snooker on the front page. always good to be spoken _ snooker on the front page. always good to be spoken about. - snooker on the front page. always good to be spoken about. take i snooker on the front page. always i good to be spoken about. take care, john. god bless, goodbye. we talk about everything on this programme! the weight of a snooker table. susan has the weather for us this morning. it is glorious in paris. it is a day ahead of the french elections. emmanuel macron is running against marine le pen and they have made their last—minute appeals yesterday in the campaign for voters to get out and vote tomorrow. looking a little bit dull there. it is. they have all been on the campaign trail. yesterday was the last day of campaigning. tomorrow is the vote. closer to home, it is at st george's day. and susan has a look at the weather for us. you can see the cloud spilling a little bit further north across france. we will look at what is going on further south in a moment. there is quite a lot of sunshine across the uk at the moment, but we do have some stripes of cloud coming across us. as we head in a bit closer you can see that the stripes are just moving gradually eastwards in a slightly wavelike motion because the cloud has been blown across by the easterly winds. we have easterly winds because at the moment we are sitting between an area of high pressure to the north of us, the centre drifting towards iceland, and this no further north thatis iceland, and this no further north that is heading into france. so they have got that patchy cloud at the moment. later on we are looking at heavy rain heading across france. for the uk, a heavy rain heading across france. forthe uk, a dry heavy rain heading across france. for the uk, a dry story. easterly winds. the cloud filling in across east at the moment should break up again this afternoon. a slim chance of a shower but the lion's share of the uk will be dry with more stubborn cloud under the high across northern scotland. the easterly wind a definite feature. some strength to it, 15-20 a definite feature. some strength to it, 15—20 mass per hour at times, and along the north sea coast, that will keep things feeling chilly. highs of 11 or 12 with the wind off the sea. further inland, highs of 17 or 18. there goes that unsettled weather across france. day. or 18. there goes that unsettled weatheracross france. day. it or 18. there goes that unsettled weather across france. day. it could bring a few showers into the southern reaches of the uk overnight at the top end of that low. if you lingering for the south—west of england first thing sunday, some for the channel islands, but again, we are dominated by dry weather on sunday and perhaps more in the way of sunshine but again the chance of the odd shower drifting in to yorkshire across northern england, but it is probably a lesser probability of a shower than anything else and temperatures similar to today, always cool along the north sea coast. for the week ahead, little in the way of rainfall to speak of, and just a slight change of wind direction which will make it feel a little bit cooler. 0k, period. basket. tuck. no idea. cheerleading! if i had said pom—poms, you had of got it. long associated with american sports, is gaining quite a following in the uk. pretty impressive. team england youth and junior cheerleaders have picked up two gold medals at the world championships in orlando. one of the top spots was won by an all—girl youth team, who we can see performing here, and the other by thejunior co—ed advanced team. we're joined now by two of the girls who've become gold medallists, lola—mai and ruby, and head coach forteam england, tori rubin. thank you so much forjoining us this morning. how did you do it? congratulations! thank you so much. a lot of hard work, to be honest. for a lot of these children, they have not been able to train during the pandemic stop cheerleading gyms were closed from pretty much march 2020, all the way through until may 2021, apart from a few weeks on and off, so it was a real challenge to get them back to where they had been. they have worked incredibly hard since last summer, and they just put out two incredible displays on wednesday and we are very proud of them. ., . n, . on wednesday and we are very proud of them. ., ., a, ., _ ., of them. lola mae and ruby, what did our team of them. lola mae and ruby, what did your team have _ of them. lola mae and ruby, what did your team have that _ of them. lola mae and ruby, what did your team have that meant _ of them. lola mae and ruby, what did your team have that meant you i of them. lola mae and ruby, what did your team have that meant you got i your team have that meant you got the glory? i think we were very, we worked together— i think we were very, we worked together stop we were very focused. we knew _ together stop we were very focused. we knew what we wanted. and we went for it _ we knew what we wanted. and we went for it. ., . ., ~ we knew what we wanted. and we went for it. ., ., ., ,, ., ., for it. lola, talk to me a little bit about— for it. lola, talk to me a little bit about what _ for it. lola, talk to me a little bit about what is _ for it. lola, talk to me a little bit about what is involved. i for it. lola, talk to me a little bit about what is involved. asj for it. lola, talk to me a little l bit about what is involved. as i incorrectly may be mentioned, many people will think of it as pom—poms. it's about so much more than that, isn't it? , ., ., ., ., isn't it? yes. there are a lot of pom-poms. — isn't it? yes. there are a lot of pom-poms. but _ isn't it? yes. there are a lot of pom-poms, but from - isn't it? yes. there are a lot of pom-poms, but from our i isn't it? yes. there are a lot of| pom-poms, but from our point isn't it? yes. there are a lot of. pom-poms, but from our point of isn't it? yes. there are a lot of- pom-poms, but from our point of view pom—poms, but from our point of view it's making _ pom—poms, but from our point of view it's making everyone _ pom—poms, but from our point of view it's making everyone understand - pom—poms, but from our point of view it's making everyone understand a i it's making everyone understand a side where — it's making everyone understand a side where there _ it's making everyone understand a side where there is— it's making everyone understand a side where there is not— it's making everyone understand a. side where there is not pom—poms. obviously. — side where there is not pom—poms. obviously, everyone _ side where there is not pom—poms. obviously, everyone who _ side where there is not pom—poms. obviously, everyone who uses i obviously, everyone who uses pom-poms _ obviously, everyone who uses pom-poms has _ obviously, everyone who uses pom—poms has the _ obviously, everyone who uses pom—poms has the same i obviously, everyone who uses| pom—poms has the same drive obviously, everyone who uses i pom—poms has the same drive and determination _ pom—poms has the same drive and determination as— pom—poms has the same drive and determination as us, _ pom—poms has the same drive and determination as us, but _ pom—poms has the same drive and determination as us, but we - pom—poms has the same drive and determination as us, but we still. determination as us, but we still use them — determination as us, but we still use them at— determination as us, but we still use them at the _ determination as us, but we still use them at the start, _ determination as us, but we still use them at the start, but - determination as us, but we still use them at the start, but yes. i determination as us, but we still. use them at the start, but yes. find use them at the start, but yes. and it is re use them at the start, but yes. it is pretty athletic. you've use them at the start, but yes. in} it is pretty athletic. you've got use them at the start, but yes. it is pretty athletic. you've got to put a lot of training in. we are looking at some of your routines. tell us a little bit about how you train for it, and just how you get to this sort of level. for train for it, and just how you get to this sort of level.— to this sort of level. for team encland to this sort of level. for team england we — to this sort of level. for team england we had _ to this sort of level. for team england we had to _ to this sort of level. for team england we had to go - to this sort of level. for team england we had to go down . to this sort of level. for team | england we had to go down to to this sort of level. for team - england we had to go down to london, but that's— england we had to go down to london, but that's because we don't live in london _ but that's because we don't live in london it— but that's because we don't live in london it is— but that's because we don't live in london. it is a lot of training. we do tong _ london. it is a lot of training. we do long hours of training. really it is the _ do long hours of training. really it is the determination. if you haven't .ot is the determination. if you haven't got it. _ is the determination. if you haven't got it. is— is the determination. if you haven't got it. is not— is the determination. if you haven't got it, is not going to work. but for us, — got it, is not going to work. but for us, we — got it, is not going to work. but for us, we knew we wanted to be on team _ for us, we knew we wanted to be on team england and go to the championships, so we put in the work and the _ championships, so we put in the work and the effort, and it paid off. we are and the effort, and it paid off. are watching and the effort, and it paid off. - are watching some of the displays. i mean, it is fantastic. what is the most difficult move, and do you think the americans were surprised that the brits could beat them at their own game? we that the brits could beat them at their own game?— that the brits could beat them at their own game? that the brits could beat them at their own name? ~ . , ., ., their own game? we actually have one three world titles _ their own game? we actually have one three world titles before. _ their own game? we actually have one three world titles before. we - their own game? we actually have one three world titles before. we won i three world titles before. we won all girl elite in 2017, and the junior all girl division in 2019 and another, and england have really stepped up in terms of cheerleading. it's an incredibly athletic discipline. you can see how difficult the skills are that these athletes are doing. the girls really understand themselves, they come down and train for eight hours a day multiple times a year, days in a row. it's athletic, very physical, and it is a team sport and those require all 24 people on the floor to be working together in unison, to make sure they put out the best possible routine at that time. there is no room for mistakes, there is no room for one person to be having an off day. you have to come together as one unit and that can be difficult. for everyone to be able to do that when it counts is hard, and they managed to do it. it is physically exhausting. we fly to orlando, thejet lag, the heat, we train for hours on end. by the time they get to competition they are fatigued but they were still able to put out a performance that was so clean, so well executed that we were able to come away with two world titles. ~ able to come away with two world titles. . . ., ., ., ., , able to come away with two world titles. . ., ., ., , ., titles. well, congratulations, an incredible achievement. - titles. well, congratulations, an incredible achievement. well. titles. well, congratulations, an i incredible achievement. well done to you all. thank you forjoining us this morning. that's all from us this morning. breakfast will be back from 6am tomorrow. goodbye. from 6am tomorrow. this is bbc news ? 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