>> although the perpetrator of this evil act has received a lot of attention over the last couple of days, that attention will fade away. and in the end, after he has felt the full force of our justice system, what will be remembered are the good people who are impacted by this tragedy. >> we're exploring this tragedy in depth this morning. we'll hear from survivors of the shooting and also going to hear from the mayor of aurora, a clinical psychologist, and former fbi agent and speak exclusively with a man who was a camp counselor with holmes. we begin with an interview with two young women, micayla hicks and lori shaffer, next to where the gunman open fire, a bullet passed through the wall and struck micayla right in the chin. lori was sitting next to micayla. >> how does your chin feel? >> it hurts pretty bad in my gums, bottom gums got pushed back by the bullet and one oth was knocked out and luckily caught it in my hand. the tooth next to the bottom front got moved around and that's moesstly my pain because tgs so much pressure pushed on it. >> where did it end up? >> it's currently still in my chin on this side. >> what have doctors told you about your prognosis will they take the frag meant out? >> no, if he said if they would take it out it would damage too many nerves, keep it in, if it causes trouble later in my life to see a plastic surgeon. >> many people about where the movie was the scene in the movie was so chaotic and dramatic, at first people didn't realize there was a shooting. when did you first realize it? >> mckayla says when the first gunshot happened, she remembers me saying what just happened. i don't recall saying that but i think it was once i realized how hurt scherr and we were running around trying to figure out where to go and what to do. when i really connected everything was when we went outside the back exit and saw the other people from theater nine running out and screaming and injured. >> you pulled the fire alarm? >> yes. >> how long before authorities came to start helping you? >> probably like maybe a minute. i don't know. i have no judgment of time from that night though so -- but it wasn't long at all. >> this morning in four and a half hours, the alleged gunman in the jail over there will head to the courtroom which is right next door. many of the people who have been traumatized, whether victims or just in the community really and even people not here want to understand why, is this something you're eager to understand? >> yeah. i mean, they say this guy was a genius and they say that his apartment was completely on his own. he obviously had some brains, but it's just real devastating that you know, god gives someone so much talent that they just put it to horrible use and ruin people's lives and cause so much harm to people and hurt them so bad. >> how is the community doing? there were several vigils i saw last night and there have been smaller ones over the last couple of days. have those vigils been helpful? >> i think so. there's been so many things said just trying to help people and everyone is just really understanding about everything right now so just realizing how supportive people are and how everyone is really coming together helps a lot. >> it does. that's good to know. you both seem very calm to me and almost a little too calm. i'm wondering if there's going to be a point where it hits you hard. you have a bullet in your chin. >> yeah. >> in your face and doctors have said they don't want to ever take it out. how are you holding up? >> just grateful it didn't hit anywhere else. i mean, i've heard stories of people getting hit in the head and arm and leg and i picture myself in their shoes going through my circumstances if i were to get hit in the arm, my sports career would be done. leg, same thing. anywhere else, i'm grateful it didn't shatter my jaw or go to my throat. just very grateful and my heart goes out to those that were seriously wounded or even anyone affected by this because it hurt so many people. >> i'll give you the last word this morning. anything you want to say to all of the folks, not just here in aurora but across the country watching the story and all of our hearts have been broken by this tragedy. >> like so many people even people that don't know us or anything keep asking like what they did do to help. and like right now prayers are all people can do. there's nothing physical anyone can do obviously. so i think just the prayers are really helping and just that comfort knowing that people are there supporting everybody and trying to help us as best as they can. >> you're both high school students, right? >> yeah, i'm entering my senior year. >> i just graduated. >> thanks for talking with us this morning. it's obviously very early here. we appreciate your time. will you watch what happens this morning carefully and closely? >> yeah, i'm sure. >> we should mention to folks, if you want to help the victims, go to givingfirst.org. they are collecting lots of money for the colorado shooting victims. and that's a great way to help out if you're not here locally or even if you are here locally. for the rest of the top stories we'll check in with christine romans, good morning. >> good morning, soledad. immigration officials can be called to the scene of a deadly accident in southeastern texas. 11 people were killed, 12 others injured when a pickup truck veered off u.s. highway 59 and slammed into two large trees last night. it was a one vehicle accident and police say all of the 23 victims were loaded inside the ford truck's cab and bed. they suspect people smuggling. penn state paying the price for the jerry sandusky sex abuse scandal. in less than two hours, the ncaa will unveil what are set to be unprecedented sanctions against the football program. they include fines in excess of $30 million and the loss of scholarships and a ban from postseason bowl games. this comes a day after the school removed the iconic statue of football coach joe paterno from outside beaver stadium. just ahead a live report on what to expect when the ncaa announces the sanctions less than two hours from now. the arab league making syrian president assad an offer they hope he can't refuse. they'll offer a safe exit for assad and his family if he steps down quickly and leaves syria. arab league foreign ministers are also calling on opposition rebels to form a national transition government but the violent clashes just escalates. jury selection set to begin this morning in the murder trial of drew peterson. the former illinois police sergeant facing murder charges for the 2004 bathtub drowning of his third wife, kathleen savio, also a a suspect in the disappearance of his fourth wife but not charged with her death. may cause as many as 2500 cancer cases worldwide and 1300 cancer deaths, according to a study by scientists at stanford. gentlem investigating reports that workers at the damaged plant were told to put lead covers over their radiationdetector devices to hide the severity of the radiation release. the mother of michael jackson and guardian of his children is staying with a family member in arizona to destress. her nephew reported her missing on saturday, concern mounted when michael jackson's 14-year-old daughter paris tweeted that she hadn't seen her grandmother in a week and wanted her to come home. new video overnight, members of the denver broncos visiting with shooting victims and emergency staff who treated the massacre victims, doing their part to raise everyone's spirits. broncos quarterback peyton manning, a new member to the community wasn't there but called several of those patients. soledad? >> all right, christine, thank you. as stories from witnesses and victims of the aurora movie theater shooting emerge, i had a chance to sit down with one of the survivors from her hospital bed, she was telling me what happened to her. she was shot with the gunman began firing, she was in the theater next to the gunman's theater where he was. some of the bullets went through the walls. she served time in iraq and said no one could be prepared for the heart or horror in the theater. >> it was a lot of screaming and the best way i compare it to is a war zone, except in this war zone, only one side had the gun. >> blache's friend was in the theater with her, he was shot in the head and did not survive. he was celebrating his 27th birthday. >> sully was literally -- i was laying like this and turned around and he was laying face down like this and there was just blood coming from his head. but he had his eyes shut, like maybe you see a little kid and they are like -- they don't want to believe something is real or -- his eyes were squinted real tight and shut and i reached up and i was -- my other hand, sully, sully, sully. and no response. i'm going to share more of that interview and an interviewer with christina's doctor later on in our program. still ahead on "starting point," the owner of a gun range that james holmes trialed tried to access to, why he had a strange feeling about the gunman. and what would cause a person to do something so evil and so atrocious? 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who is this alleged gunman? what are you finding out about what associates are saying? >> it's so bizarre, by now in cases that you and i have both covered, you hear people say there was a warning sign, a police report, some kind of violent activity or anything that would point to this. we're not seeing that at all. the school itself has done its best really to keep faculty and staff from talking to anybody in the media, even students. we did talk to a couple students of camera and told us this ghost like figure existed, one who worked in a lab with james holmes for three months last summer, told us even though he worked near him, he wasn't close to him, saying, i couldn't say anyone was close to him. then soledad, we talked to one female student who was in two lectures and said i can't say it was quiet. can't remember him saying a single word in two lectures. so he was extremely quiet person. >> this morning everyone tries to paint the picture of exactly who this suspected gunman is. drew griffin, thank you very much. a big question is what could drive a person to such terrible violence? were there any warning signs? we'll talk to a clinical psychologist as "starting point" continues. our live coverage is up next. stay with us. >> just a great kid. talented kid. very talented, a lot of gifts, make people laugh, always made people smile, gentle giant is the way we looked at him. welcome back to a specialty edition of "starting point." right now suspected gunman james holmes is being held in this jail right behind me. that's this building right over here. it is literally right next to the courthouse, in about four hours he'll make his way from the jail in isolation to his court appearance, that will last from two minutes to five minutes. it's the first time we'll see him in court and that hearing will be setting the date to file charges. big question of course today is why, why did this happen? what could cause a person to do something so evil, so atrocious? a clinical psychologist and program director of child and family and school based programs at the aurora based center. thanks for being with us. if are brought in to interview the suspect, what would the first thing you would want to know? >> wow, i mean there are so many unanswered questions that we have. and you know, i think part of the tragedy of all of this is that we want to know why. we want to know what would motivate somebody to do such a horrible thing. and the fact of the matter is we may never know why. we may never know if there is really a reason that will be satisfying to all of us for why this happened. and i know that the forensic experts will be spending a lot of time interviewing the suspect and trying to get that question answered. and you know, there are many ways to do that, different tests and speaking with him and interviewing him. but it will probably be a long process and take quite a while. >> what have you learned from the information we're getting from people who knew him, relatively well, i guess i would say, of someone who is a lab partner and sat behind him in class, all of them seem to say a couple of particular things, quiet, didn't seem to have any outward signs of any major issue and didn't talk a lot. what does that tell you? >> you know, it tells me again, that this -- could be anyone. and there isn't any particular -- of somebody that becomes a mass murderer, unfortunately. and sometimes we have many warning signs for something like this and sometimes we have none. and there are plenty of qet people who keep to themselves who live perfectly productive lives. i think that's part of the helplessness that we all feel that we don't know how to predict or how to prevent something like this from happening sfl that's very true. in the hours after the shooting on friday, when i was back in new york, abc news had a report where they reached out to a woman who said she was the suspect's mother. when she was asked, she said you have the right person and continued to talk a little bit about her son. need to call the police and fly out to colorado. does that strike you as a red flag? >> well, i think that's so tragic for a mother. i'm a mother myself and to think that you know your child so well that you do have some sense that something just isn't right. and i think if there's anybody on this earththat there is something wrong is a person's mother. >> this is what abc news reported their conversation to be with this woman. it didn't sound like mother's intuition, it sounded more that maybe there was a red flag, you have the right person, i need to get on a plane and call the police. >> and it's entirely possible, soledad that there were red flags that the mother knew. again, we just don't know and i don't think there was anything blatantly obvious, where people were clear i behaving in ways that were obviously disturbed. so there may have been some subtle warning signs and may not have been. in retroexpecspect we want to g at those. >> part of that is to know what happened that day and that night. but also, if we understand them, what does that teach us about preventing it for the next one? >> i think when a community goes through a trauma and this is a trauma that's been experienced by the whole world, there's so much helplessness that comes with experiencing trauma. and people want to get control and understanding is a way to have control and make meaning from something that has happened. it's only natural. it's human nature that we would want to do that. unfortunately that's not always how our world works and this case is a good example of that. >> as we learn more about the shooter, for some people that will provide a sense of solace, nice to have you, thanks for talking with us. >> my pleasure. >> still ahead, another big story we're following this morning. judgment day for penn state, the ncaa getting ready to hand down what's being called unprecedented penalties for that school's role in the jerry sandusky abuse case. and a former fbi special agent whose specialty is mass shootings says certain signs were missed in the shooting. he'll talk about the attack and suspect's potential motives. special coverage of the colorado theater shooting. we're back in just a moment. >> the sweetest smile you've ever seen and she got prettier as she grew older. and in a blink of an eye something happens and completely changes everyone's life, forever. welcome back. we're coming to you live from aurora, colorado where we are following the very latest on the deadly colorado theater shooting. right now the suspect is being held in the jail house that's right over my shoulder. in just about four hours he is expected in his first court appearance. that's also just i'd say 100 yards from where i'm standing. we're going to talk about his potential case against him, his potential defense with an former fbi agent who's going to ask about the missed signs and red flags. first we want to check in with christine romans with a look at the day's top stories. >> good morning again, the fbi turning to the public for help to find two young missing cousins from iowa. law enforcement officials now consider the disappearance of 10-year-old lyric cook morrissey and 8-year-old elizabeth collins an abduction. after draining a lake where the bicycles are found, they are confident the little girls did not drown there and offering a $50,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest and conviction. perez placing the blame squarely on iran and hezbollah. >> in this specific attack, there hard intelligence that says that iran and hezbollah were involved? >> i would say yes, enough, enough information to accuse them. >> do you believe more attacks are being planned? >> yes. i think iran is a center of them. >> that bomb being killed five israeli tourists along with the suicide bomber. the pilot of an f-16 that crashed in the pacific ocean off the coast of japan has been rescued from the water alive. the japanese coast guard says the unidentified pilot was placed on a u.s. commercial vessel in stable condition. the cause of the crash is still not known. thousands of mourners gathering at two sites in norway to remember the victims of the worst terror attack in that country's history. it was one year ago a gunman killed 77 people. right wing extremists anders brefic killing eight with a bomb in oslo and taking 69 more lives at the labor party youth camp. police shoot and killed an unarmed man in anaheim. protests broke out at the scene hours later with neighbors throwing rocks and bottles at police officers and cops responding by sending in a police dog and firing bean bags and pepper balls. last night demonstrators setting a dumpster on fire. the two officers involved in the original shooting have been placed on leave. ernie els captured his second championship on the 18th hole. thinks fourth major title. this as scott, who has never won a major, methodically melted down. he bogeyed each of the holes with four holes left to play. soledad? >> christine, thank you. this morning we want to talk a little bit about warning signs or potential warning signs that this massacre in colorado was coming. here's a picture of james holmes. police believe this was a picture from his adult friend finder website. they believe it may have been created by him. it brings us to steve moore, a former fbi special agent who worked on mass shooting cases in the past and served as head of security for pepperdine university. nice to see you, mr. moore. >> good morning. >> i'm going to read the list of weapons and ammunition that they recovered either from the scene and also some cases from the vehicle and some cases from the apartment. a remmington 12 gauge shotgun, military assault rifle. 40 caliber glock, firework shells and gasoline and ieds in the apartment and 6,000 rounds of ammunition purchased in recent months. when you look at that long list of weaponry, that's not illegal, not purchased illegally, is there a data base that would flag someone who is buying a mini arsenal of weaponry? and tons of ammo, two glocks all over the two to four-month period. >> there is not something that would compare it to other people who are making that type of purchases and using that as a threat assessor, obviously there are records but there's nothing that says this guy is buying too much we better go look at him. nothing like that, no. >> so when you look at the degree to which that list, that long list of weaponry or look at the degree to which the apartment of the alleged gunman was booby trapped, what insight does that give you about the suspect? >> what that tells me is that first of all he's intelligent and he spent long time planning this out. you get this fantasy sage where you think about doing the stuff then you get into the planning stages and action stages where you really have to put a lot of thought, effort and money and training into this. he was aggressively going at this. this wasn't hey on friday i'm going to go out and shoot a bunch of people. this was two months of practice of training and preparation. you had -- there were two months window where people could have found that this guy was -- the wheels had come off his life. >> you know, it's interesting because friends and colleagues and people who knew him, you don't see any reports yet. there were people who said he was quiet, a loner, what i've seen a heard a lot of in these type of horrific events, but no massive red flag that we have heard of with specific details yet. there are reports he identified himself to police as the joker, we're told he's no longer talking to authorities. he was arrested in costume, the word from the police chief. what kind of clues does that give you? >> well, it's hard to tell what the clues -- it's easy to monday morning quarterback. what you're looking for is how many pieces of the puzzle did any one person have who could have acted on it? i mean, there's 20, 25 individual threat assessors that you can use to say this person is possibly going off the deep end. a financial failure, loss of job, whatever. and then you combine that with buying all sorts of weapons and abhorrent behavior and think, wait a minute, we have three or four pieces of the puzzle here, there's a problem. i'm not saying anybody had more than one or two pieces, but somebody may have had more pieces than we think. and if you call somebody's mother and say, your son who is having problems has acted up and she says, oh, i figure that's my son, that's one thing. but if you say by the way your son has gone in and machine gunned a theater full of people and they say, yeah, you got the right guy. somebody knew something in advance. this wasn't out of the blue to everyone. >> steve moore joining us, thanks for the update for us and your insight. we appreciate it. we have to take a break. still ahead, penn state bracing for impact. they are about to hear the punishment officially for the jerry sandusky sex scandal. we'll take you live to ncaa headquarters in indianapolis this morning. chilling accounts from witnesses at the aurora movie theater on the night of the massacre. we talk to one who treated and prayed with the other victims straight ahead. we've got to take a short break. our special coverage of the colorado theater shooting is back in just a moment. welcome back to "starting point," a look at your top stories, just about one hour from now, the ncaa will announce an unprecedented package of sanctions against the university in response to the jerry sandusky child sex abuse scandal. it comes a day after penn state removed the statue of legendary head football coach joe paterno from outside beaver stadium. cnn's mark mckay is live in indianapolis. what can we expect today? >> reporter: we're expecting to hear what are unprecedented penalties against penn state and according to one source, it includes being hit with fines in excess of $30 million. they are also reports of course that penn state will lose a number of scholarships and may be prevented from going to future bowl games. how severe the punishments will be outlined in a press conference at 9:00 a.m. eastern time in indianapolis, about an hour and 15 minutesrom now. the president mark emer it will preside at the conference and if his words are any indication, then penn state ought to brace itself for the very worse. he told an interviewer, i have never seen anything as egregious as this in terms of overall conduct and behavior inside a university and hope to never see it again. christine? >> mark, i guess the point is to send a clear message to penn state, to that program and other ncaa schools as well. >> that is the intent. not only for penn state but for other universities and the impact on penn state itself will be felt within the football program first and foremost. it will avoid the death penalty we hear but the penalties are so harsh that perhaps the death penalty would be preferable according to one source. the football program that penn state university takes in, it will impact other sports at penn state and of course the penn state community, state college, pennsylvania, since football is so big in that region. >> we'll wait for that press conference, thanks, mark. also in the headlines this morning, it has been one of the deadliest days in iraq since u.s. troops left. 44 people were killed and dozens more wounded in car bombings and shootings that rocked baghdad. the northern oil city of kir kuk and other areas as well. an old 17 story hotel in new orleans comes tumbling down on nday. 400 tons of explosives to demolish it, making way for a new medical center to replace charity hospital. you remember charity hospital was closed after hurricane katrina. soledad? >> all right, christine, thanks. coming up next on "starting point," we'll talk to a pastor who heard shots coming through the wall in the movie theater where he was. how he helped the victims in dire need with more than prayer. you're watching "starting point's" special coverage of the colorado theater shooting. we're back in just a moment. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? [romney singing]: oh beautiful, for spacious skies, i'm barack obama and i approve this message. for amber waves of grain, for purple mountains majesty, above the fruited plain, america, america, god shed his grace on thee, and crowned thy good, with brotherhood... welcome back, everybody. you're watching "starting point." we're live from aurora, colorado. in less than four hours the suspect from this horrific theater shooting is going to appear in court. we're at the arapahoe county justice center, so right behind me, this sort of beige and pinkish building, that is the jail facility. to the right behind me still, not very far away, is the courthouse. it's a 30-second walk and we're suspectly he'ing he'll make his from that jail to the courthouse at 9:30 local time. they suspect he'll be in the court for 2 to 5 minutes, maybe not even say a word, as his attorneys will do all the negotiating this morning. the victims of the rampage, the survivors who helped make it out alive. we're joined with pasta pastor. it was theater number 9 who burst in on the people there. but some of those gunshots went into theater number 8. the pastor, once he went outs e outside, his military training kicked in and he helped people hurt in the disaster. he also prayed with people. you were in the theater adjacent to where the gunshots were actually coming from. when did you realize the people inside your theater were being hit by gunfire? >> well, you know, we heard several repetitive pop, pop, pops and i saw smoke. we didn't know what that was. i actually saw some fireworks, but something that didn't click right with me was i got hit in the leg with something hard. i wasn't injured, but it was hard enough to take notice and hard enough to hurt. i was trying to figure it out. and i mentioned it to somebody, and i said, hey, i just got hit in the leg, and somebody was like, i got hit in the shoulder skpirshoulder, and i got hit here. we were on the other side of the adjacent wall of 8 and 9. so we didn't really know until the fire alarm went off, and we said, hey, there's someone with a gun that's shooting at us. that's when we really knew those were bullets or shrapnel or something coming through the wall. >> what were you able to do? >> well, i mean, at first it was getting out. once we got out and everybody in our theater made it out of that theater, you're outside and you think, okay, we're safe, we're out, there's the police here, but then you started looking around and then we realized the magnitude of it, what happened in 9, and we started seeing people that were bleeding. at first was the physical. we had to take care of these people that were bleeding. once we got them all safe, once we got them to the ambulances -- and it wasn't just me, there were many people helping. i'm just a thread in this story. once we got them up, then it was a prayer fful time, because eve as people were in the hospitals healing physically, there were people spiritually that needed help. we were praying for them and giving them a hope and peace that could only be found with jesus christ. >> i'm sure there are many families for which that was a tremendous comfort knowing that for some of the people who did not survive that they were able to have you naer thear them, i imagine. >> well, yeah. i mean, a lot of people, you know, have come up and said thank you and stuff, but it's just -- you know, you talked about training, but, you know, we're trained in a lot of different things in life, and those things just kind of kick in automatically, and that's just who i am, that's what i'm called to do. ministering those people are so important, and it's still going on now. yesterday at service, i'm a pastor here at a local church, so i'm teaching. there were people that had come in and they're hurting, and they weren't even a part of it. so that healing is still going on for people. it could have brought up memories. it's only 14 years ago since columbine, so those memories are stirred up by people. that's what we do in ministering the folks and pouring into them and loving them. >> what's the message, though? as i mentioned, you're not just a pastor, you're also a military guy in your past. you must have been in situations where things were much more tenuous, and i think for people at a movie theater watching a popular movie to know that, you know, it's exactly where you would not expect anything bad to happen, people must be coming to you as a pastor to try to understand why. >> yeah, and that question has come up so much, and there's no way that i can explain why. i mean, i don't think -- i've heard some of the experts and people were trying to justify it. the majority of these people were kids in these theeteaterth. there's no explanation that i can give. but i do know that i stand on god's word that says when i'm praying to him, i can have a piece of understanding. that's important, because having a piece of passive understanding, i may not understand it. i may not understand it, it just passes understanding, and i'm okay with that because i don't want to understand how someone can do that. i don't think we need to be there. >> hmm. well, pastor wilmouth, thank you for talking to us this morning. we certainly appreciate your insight. we now know that the suspect, james holmes, once worked as a summer camp counselor for kids between the ages of 7 and 14. we're going to talk exclusively to one of his fellow counselors who worked with him, ask him if he saw any warning signs as early as 2008. and the owner of a gun range said he was spooked by holmes, wanted him nowhere near his business. we'll explain to you what happened there. you're watching "starting poin " point." our coverage continues after this short break. stay with us. if you are one of the millions of men who have used androgel 1%, there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it raises your testosterone levels, and... is concentrated, so you could use less gel. and with androgel 1.62%, you can save on your monthly prescription. 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this is big news. massacre in aurora. this morning, suspect james holmes in court for the first time. six guns, 6,000 rounds of ammunition. now a motive. >> this was a deliberate process by a very intelligent man who wanted to do this. >> as a community tries to haea, victims who can't forget the horror. >> i felt like i was in a war zone. in this war zone, only one side had the gun. >> a special report live from aurora, colorado begins right now. good morning. welcome from aurora, colorado. we're just minutes away from this suspected gunman, james holmes, being transported from the jail which is right behind me to my left to the courthouse next door. that's the building you can see behind me, but you won't see him. he's going to be moving through an underground path. in just three and a half hours, we're expecting that to happen. he's going to face the judge after this massacre. 12 are killed, 58 are wounded. that is an offense that could carry a possible death penalty. right now we don't know of a specific motive. people of aurora came together last night. thousands attended a prayer vigil to honor everyone touched by the violence and to remember the victims. earlier today, president obama met with the survivors and families of those killed. here is stephanie sand anand al and allie young. >> it was an opportunity for them to speak about how wonderful their son or daughter was, and the lives they touched and the dreams they held for the future. >> we're looking in depth at the story this morning. in just a few minutes we'll be talking exclusively with a man who was a camp counselor with holmes. first, though, we want to talk with the mayor of aurora. his name is steve hogan and he spent much of yesterday with president obama, visiting with the victims and their families. he joins us at the theater location where the massacre occurred. you met president obama at the airport, and then you were with him as he made his way going to the university of colorado hospital. good morning to you. tell me how yesterday was and what it meant for the people, especially those who were victims, to get a chance to meet the president and hear from him. >> well, certainly it was a very emotional day. we're very thankful that the president came out. i know the families were very touched. as he indicated, he was there as a father. and he was there to support them, and he was there to -- as a representative of the country. and i know that he spent longer than he meant to, and i know it was greatly appreciated. >> i want to play a little bit of what the president said in his remarks, which were carried last night. let's play that. >> i confessed to them that words are always inadequate in these kind of situations but that my main task was to serve as a representative of the entire country and let them know that we are thinking about them at this moment and will continue to think about them each and every day. and that the awareness that not only all of america but much of the world is thinking about them might serve as some comfort. >> what was the reaction, sir, to those words and the other words of the president? >> everyone was touched, everyone was very appreciative. the governor, the president and i went from family to family group. people needed to talk. they needed to start grieving. they needed to tell us stories. whether it was about wanting some gear from the denver broncos for a funeral to what their son had done that evening, it was all very, very emotional, and it's never something that you plan for. it's just almost surreal. >> how does the community move forward now? the court case, part of this investigation, will begin today, as you know, in just a few hours, the suspect will be brought to the jail in the courthouse behind me. that will start, and some people estimate a year-plus of this city mired in a major case. how hard will it be to put things behind you and move forward as a community? >> it's always difficult, but i'm confident that we'll do it. we started last night with the vigil. we've got to go through a grieving process, then you start a healing process. there are going to be funerals this week. there will be more stories. my office building overlooks the theater. i will see that building every day for as long as i'm mayor. but we'll move forward. i'm confident that the citizens of this community can and will come together. this was a great city before three days ago. it will be a great city again. it will be even greater than it was. and it will be the people here who will bring it together. the thousands that were there last night, that was a start, and it will go day by day. we will never forget what happened here, and those who died here, but we will move on. >> you know, after columbine, which i covered and obviously is not very far from where we are, there are many people who spoke out and said they wanted the political leadership to do something. in some cases the do something meant stricter gun control. what do you think political leadership should be doing in aurora now? >> i think that we have to spend the next couple of days starting this grieving process. certainly today with the court process, that's part of it. i have no doubt that there will be a number of discussions about public policy, whether they are at the local level, the state level or the national level. but i think those are -- i think those are later in the week and next week and the weeks following. we're still focusing here on the families and on making sure that this court process goes as it should because this perpetrator needs to be -- needs to reach justice. and that's critical for all of us. >> mayor steve hogan is the mayor of aurora, colorado. thank you, sir, for talking with us. we appreciate your time. >> sure. thank you. >> you bet. let's get right to christine in new york. she's got the rest of today's top stories for us. hey, christine. >> thank you, soledad. within the hour, penn state's governing body will announce the punishment for turning a blind eye to jerry sandusky's molestation of children. they are talking $30 million in fines with a lot of scholarships and post-season action. a deadly accident 100 miles southeast of san antonio. at least 13 people were killed and 10 others injured when police say a pickup truck veered off u.s. highway 59 and slammed into two large trees last night. it was a one-vehicle accident and 23 victims were all loaded inside that ford's cab and bed. in syria, as rebels clash. a rebels group says 19 people were killed across syria fighting today. meanwhile, an arabs league said they will offer president assad a safe exit if he steps down quickly and leaves syria. they're also calling on opposition rebels and freeto ar -- free army to pose a national army. murdoch resigns from the newspaper boards. they say it's just housecleaning, but he says he's separating himself from what happened last year. drew peterson is facing murder charges for the bathtub drowning of his third wife. her death had originally been ruled an accident. he's also a suspect in the disappearance of his fourth wife but hasn't been charged. soledad? >> christine, thanks. coming up next on "starting point," we're going to talk to a man who worked with james holmes as a summer camp counselor. he said the suspected killer was shy, kept to himself. did he see any warning signs as early as 2008? we're going to talk to him exclusively. that's when "starting point"'s exclusive coverage returns. we'll be back in a moment. >> she was a great kid. she was just finding herself. she never harmed anybody. she didn't deserve to die this way. >> he was a wonderful young man. what a terrible, terrible loss this is for everyone who knew him. 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>> not at all. when i met him and spoke to him, he was shy and quiet, but i wouldn't suspect he was going to do something like this. he was just quiet, but he's actually a nice guy, the one i spoke to. >> yeah, you were both camp counselors, so tell me a little bit more about him. what was he like as a counselor, and outside of shy, what was he like? >> well, i mean, when it came to working with the kids, he was obviously good. he didn't have no incidents. you could tell he had patience, because, you know, you have to have patience to work there. so no incidents. he was actually, you know, nice with the kids when it was time to do an activity. he was a little isolated, but other than that, you know, he was a nice guy. >> the camp itself released a statement. they said this. he was a counselor who had no incidents or disciplinary concerns. that summer provided the kids a wonderful camp experience without any incident. what were your duties overall, and was there anything at all strange or anything that he didn't do to the full extent in those duties? >> basically, just, you know, you had to be with the kids 24/7. you get a couple breaks, but, you know, just -- you have to be with the kids maybe about four or five days, and, you know, you had to take them to activities the whole day and just basically interact with them, you know, make sure that they were well behaved and stuff, and he was just -- he was good. no incidents. like i said, no incidents and he was just -- i mean, it's a big responsibility to work at a camp like that, and, you know, he was lig up to it. he was actually pretty good. >> so when you heard his name in connection with the shootings, what was your reaction? were you stunned? >> oh, definitely. you know, i didn't really know about the shooting because i was actually at work. once i came out, i had seen that somebody had said that he worked at the camp. i figured, okay, i worked at the camp, too, so i wanted to see who it was. once i saw it was him, i was shocked. and i wanted to make sure that it was him. i looked at the picture, and it was him. i was just in shock because i spoke to the guy. you know, i spoke to him, talked to him, and i would never have thought he would do something like this. >> many people, of course, today are looking for some kind of clues as to why he could have potentially done something so awful and violent. can you answer that question for them? do you have any guess, any idea? >> i have no idea. i mean, just basically, from when i met him maybe three or four years ago, i mean, i would never have a clue. probably something in those four years that would make him do a big change like that. he was really -- you know, no clue that he would be later on a murderer or a killer. >> did you stay in touch after 2008, and was there a reason why you didn't stay in touch if you didn't? >> no, actually, i didn't. i was there from june to august, you know, i was at the camp with him. after that i didn't keep in touch with him because i really didn't talk to him really, really like that. when we would hang around or do something, he wouldn't go out with us or hang around with us so i didn't really get to interact with him that deeply as a friend. >> gabriel menchaca joining us with an exclusive look. he worked with the suspect as a co-camp counselor. thank you for your time. >> no problem. >> the court behind me has set up a special viewing room where family members and members of the community are going to be able to watch the court proceedings happen on a wide screen. that court appearance is set to happen three hours from now. coming up next, before the theater massacre took place, the owner of a gun range said he had a strange feeling about the suspect. we'll tell you what spooked him, coming up next. coverage of the colorado shooting continues right after this short break. stay with us. >> i was blessed. only for 25 years, but i was blessed. ordinary sunblock drips and whitens. neutrogena® wet skin cuts through water. forms a broad spectrum barrier for full strength sun protection. wet skin. neutrogena®. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] you've been years in the making. and there are many years ahead. join the millions of members who've chosen an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. go long. somebody didn't book with travelocity, with 24/7 customer support to help move them to the pool daddy promised! look at me, i'm swimming! somebody, get her a pony! [ female announcer ] the travelocity guarantee. from the price to the room to the trip you'll never roam alone. welcome back to a special edition of "starting point." we're coming to you live from colorado this morning. we're waiting for the very first court appearance from the suspected movie theater shooting. it's expected to happen in just about three hours. he will be transported from the jail, which is right behind me to my left, then to the courthou courthouse, which is the building that you're looking at right now in that shot, that big, brown building. obviously we will have an opportunity there to not only see him but maybe learn more about him. was his behavior suspicious before friday's shooting? the owner of a gun range said he had a strange feeling about james holmes a month before the massacre. holmes applied for membership at the shooting range, but something about him made the owner uneasy. drew griffin is following that part of the story for us. what was it that made you uneasy? >> on june 25, james holmes applied on line to this private gun range east of here. it's about a half hour away from where holmes was living, and the owner called him back. i want to show you that gun range. it's called the lead valley range. this is a private gun range. you have to actually pay to be a member of this. and so the owner called back the number that james holmes had left. this is what he told another news outlet. >> when i called him, he didn't give me -- he didn't answer. i ended up with his answering service that had a rather bizarre message on it that started me wondering a little bit about it. you know, i called him a second time later, and it was the same message that was there, which starts making you wonder. >> what glenn rotkovich told us, he couldn't remember the exact words other than it was james holmes. it was a guttural, freakish message. maybe he was drunk or bizarre. he told him a guy doesn't get on the range unless he has a personal interaction with him, but he never heard from james holmes again. >> when you talk to associates, colleagues in school, really, none of them seemed to have seen any red plaflags or anything. he didn't say anything at all. >> nothing in the past. the guy was super quiet. we've been trying to reach members who were students with him, the faculty, the university of colorado medical school has really done its best to make sure its faculty and members do not talk. but two students we did talk to off camera are very telling. one who worked with james holmes in a lab last summer. for three months he said, i worked near him but i wasn't close to him. i don't think anybody was close to him. he pretty much stuck to a computer screen. and another one, a student, a female student, who was in two lecture classes with james holmes sat very close to him. soledad, she told us it wasn't that he was just quiet. she told us she can't remember him uttering a single word. >> bizarre. maybe we'll learn more today as this is really the start of the court part of this investigation and it starts getting under way. drew griffin, thanks for that. ahead this morning, the task of defending a mass killer. james holmes is going to make his very first court appearance. we'll talk this morning to an attorney that defended one of the parents of one of the columbine killers about what would happen next potentially in this case. the other big story we're following this morning, just minutes away from the ncaa's punishment of penn state, and it is expected to be historic. you're watching "starting point." we're back in just a moment. >> the sweetest smile you've ever seen, and she got prettier as she got older. in the blink of an eye, something happens and completely changes our lives. forever. 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what would you want to know first and foremost? >> first of all, you want to build some sort of rapport. at the end of the day, regardless of the case you're dealing with, you want to build a rapport and get the person to trust you. first and foremost from a legal and practical standpoint is trying to get your arms around his mental condition, where he's at right now. obviously most lawyers, myself included, are not mental health experts, but the first thing you need to do is think about how can i get some help to assess his mental state. >> you can glean some things from some of the behaviors. for example, the police have talked about how carefully constructed, methodically planned this attack was. does that undermine any kind of insanity defense? >> it could be, and i'm sure the government will say that it does. clearly this person is highly intelligent. he was apparently very method cal. he took a number of steps, he did a lot of planning, he was smart enough to build bombs and get into a phd program at university of colorado. but the smarts and the planning and those types of factors do not necessarily undermine the fact that he could have a mental disease or defect. and that's what the law talks about. do y have a mental disease or defect that renders your ability to distinguish between right and wrong, nonexistent? >> if you have booby trapped your apartment where you have clearly set up a situation where you're trying to kill people, and you left it open. we know now that his radio was set to a timer so when he left on his way to the movie people -- this is what the police allege -- the music would play loudly that would bring people in. >> that's right. >> so, again, it seems to undermine if the issue at the end of the day is knowing right from wrong, that seems to cricket th contradict that kind of a defense. >> i don't disagree. however, at the same time, if you're doing all these things and you believe that you are the joker, you believe you're a fictional character, you believe that possibly you're acting out some comic book paradigm, that's better left to the mental professionals. but the legal point is you still might have that defense available to you. and most importantly, especially at this stage, if you're the defense attorney, you better start to figure out whether or not you have any factors like that slabl to y that available to you. >> will they look into mitigating factors? obviously not today. today's hearing will be very short. >> probably not even 90 seconds long. >> but i imagine in the court case, they'll be digging into the background of the suspect. >> absolutely. especially where there might be the death penalty, you bring them in, and you typically have what's called the mitigation lawyer, and his or her job is to do exactly that, look into the person's educational background, their family, their mental health, and everything and anything about them as a way of building a profile, and you might be using that in court but you also might be using that when you're sitting down with the d.a. and trying to convince that d.a. not to bring the death penalty. >> the only focus won't be his mental health. there is a preponderance of the evidence. they sent h-- he sent them to h apartment which was booby trapped. is the only thing his mental state? >> there are two main elements, the action and the mental state. the action is not where this case will be defended. apparently they caught holmes with literally gunpowder on his hands in a tactical outfit. they have many, many witnesses, they have this apartment rigged. this is not a whodunit. you really have to focus on his mental state, and did he form or was he capable of forming the requisite intent to murder and the other charges he will be charged with. >> a decade ago now you represented dylan klebold's parents. he and his friend eric harris died in that shooting spree. is it possible parents can have no idea what their kids are doing? >> i think both as a lawyer with that experience and as a parent, yeah, unfortunately that is the truth. i think that people live private lives, kids with private lives. this is a 24-year-old man living in a different city on his own by himself in graduate school. >> his mother, if you believe abc news reports, they said in the early hours of the shooting on friday morning when they called the number that they believed was the mother, that she answered the phone and she said something to the effect of, yes, that sounds like him. i have to go to colorado. i have to talk to the police. how much of a role will that statement, that conversation play in what happens in the court? >> it's probably a hearsay statement and not admissible in court, but on a broader perspective, that is what we lawyers like to call a bad fact. that is not helpful to the defense. >> mr. kornfeld, nice to have you give us a little explainer as thi court proceeding will get under way in roughly three hours. we appreciate your time this morning. thank you. >> thank you. >> we have to take a break. but other stories we're following this morning, of course, is the punishment for penn state. we're minutes away from learning officially what punishment the ncaa will hand down to the college for jerry sandusky's case. tha that's coming up next. plus my conversation continues with the woman who was in the shooting rampage. she lost a friend, though. she described the theater as a war zone. having served in baghdad, she knows what's that like. the special coverage of the colorado shooting is back in just a moment. >> she was a great kid. she was just finding herself. she would never harm anybody. she didn't deserve to die this way. >> he was a wonderful young man. what a terrible, terrible loss this is for everyone who knew him. 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