that's tonight on newsnight good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york tonight. donald trump loves to be worshiped that much has been clear since he came down those golden escalators. but this week was especially notable because it gave us a mountain of new evidence that he remains idolized by evangelical voters even after 34 felony counts for crimes associated with hush money payments to an adult film actress. the support is ironclad, 80% of evangelical say they support him today let's start with what happened last night in arizona. donald trump held a town hall in a phoenix mega church. now the opening homily called for the crowd to pray over the presumptive nominee, but it was the smite die enemy's message that really rang out loud and clear. listen we do pray for our leaders. but father, if our leaders will not turn to you, if he will not turn to your word, if he will not return to justice, we pray that you would bring those leaders down. all of those people, all those individuals who are conniving in there find a frame right now. him and bring him down. we pray thee all those lives would be exposed and lower. that it would just be exposed for what it really is trump also vowed vengeance from the pulpit, but that is perhaps not much of a surprise. >> what is stunning though, is the profane call and response that came next? i don't like using the word in front of these beautiful children i won't say well, actually he did say it and so did everyone else. again this was in a church we also this week heard from the former president himself about how he would describe his own relationship with god what's your relationship with god like? and how do you pray? >> that's sharon from alabama. okay. so i think it's good. i do very well with the evangelicals. i love the evangelicals or people saying they pray for me. >> i can't even believe it. >> and they are so committed. and they're so they're so believing it's a revealing clip, but here's one more thing that is true. more and more. you see trump's evangelists holding trump up as eight profit. take natasha owens, for example, she is a maga christian singer who has a new song in which trump himself shared on truth, social. take a listen to that i am somebody added or there's julie green and internet preacher who says, god delivered her divine messages about the former president these cases are nothing against me and they or nothing against my david, the celebrations against my david won't last long. >> woe to the enemies of almighty god you are laughing, thinking you got what you desired i will tell you, i will have the last laugh your verdict is a joke. >> an illusion it's not real because it's not true. i will show you who's verdict. >> really counts my son is not guilty and the world will see that is true. they will see your kangaroo courts. and how they are a joke and how they or nothing against me that is like the gospel to donald trump's ears and sure, he made me selling bibles, but really it's his word that he's he'd like his supporters to follow religiously now, joining me is peter winner. >> he served three republican presidential administrations and he's now at the trinity forum and a contributor for the atlantic peter, first of all, why does donald trump get, away with doing things that normally would cause christians to turn away if he were anyone else, if you were asked a question about how he exercises his faith and he simply does not answer the question, but talks about his political support that would be probably disqualifying what did not once upon a time, it would have been i think the explanation for this is that that he has a cult like hold on. >> these evangelical fundamentalist followers it's moved if you track this from 2015, 2016 when evangelical world began to rally around and to where they are now, it's gone from support to idolatry. and what was once a bug is now a feature. so when they hear donald trump and they see the cruelty, the crude at the lawlessness the rage, the hatred, the vengeance for an awful lot of people who claim to be followers of jesus. it's life-giving, it's energizing, it's vilifying, it's a sad story. i said that his version of the christian faith, but we have to be able to name these, these things. we've not seen anything like it, and i would say that donald trump is now the personification of what they want. it is not as if they're willing to tolerate some of his his vices. it's that they celebrate them. >> i mean, is this even about faith anymore or is it just? cultural at this point it's cultural. >> it's cultural i would say i have a friend, russell moore, who's used the phrase for a lot of people who claim to be christians, jesus hood ornament and so i think for a lot of them, faith is an add-on. >> it's a supplement they've proved text, the bible to affirm validate, confirm these fiercely partisan and ideological views. so their core identity is shouldn't really be understood as fe, i think it should be understood as sociological psychological political, and the faith is a mirror instrumentality. now they won't say that, but i think that isn't in fact the reality that's how it's playing out. >> yeah. i want you to listen to what one evangelical pastor said about this verdict. listen god said there would come a time when things would begin to be heated up in our country. >> but there would be a boomerang. in other words, those who would seek brandeis they themselves would be indicted. god said, you will see things flop. it will look like it is absolutely over and then it will flop. and then flip. and it will turn in the way of the favor of god he also lichen trump to daniel in the lion's den, you actually heard the daniel reference in that other clip that we played earlier. this is a theme here why is it that so many evangelicals are openly now describing trump as this? st. like figure someone who is more than just a person that they admired, but somebody who is divinely brought to them by god yeah, it's a complicated question. it's an unsettling one. >> i think what's happened. >> so the thing to understand is that there were for decades a pulsating grievances and resentments within a lot of the evangelical fundamentalists world and they built up and trump tapped into those things and once he won them over, just because he's a person who doesn't abide by any norms he crashed through through one guardrail after another and they saw it and as i was saying earlier, i think at energize them and they they i think they view him as a person that'll bring a pistol to a cultural knife fight and their hatred for the left and the story they tell themselves in terms of the existential fear the democratic party and have joe biden the frame. this is the children of light against the children of darkness. god versus satan if you've convinced yourself that you're in a struggle like that then there are an awful lot of ethical leinz are you're willing to cross. and they view donald trump is their warrior, their fighter, in a sense, their savior. they're quasi saver, their savior of life on this earth. and so it's almost impossible to overstate the fealty, the allegiance that they, that they have. but you see it in these clips and you could play 100 other clips that the demonstrate this. it's bad, very bad, and it's only gonna get worse trump likes that just fine. i mean, it actually works very well for what he tries to du, which really fundamentally is about asking people to believe him more than anything else, including the facts in front of their eyes at peter waiter. thank you very much for joining us tonight on all of that. >> thanks a lot. thanks for me on the supremes famously saying, loved, don't come easy, it's just a game of give-and-take and that is now the question that is facing supreme court justices. just how much can they take before it starts influencing what they're giving. tonight? the financial disclosure forms that are just out from the justices reveal a trove of luxury gifts and six-figure book deal payments. and bianna, a ticket or two. but really all eyes are on justice clarence thomas. he amended his disclosure forum from 2019 with two new additions. that say that he says were, quote inadvertently admitted at the time of the filing that we should note they were only brought to light publicly because of a propublica investigation. the first was a trip to bali that was paid for by gop megadonor, harlan crow and his wife thomas also then disclosed a trip paid for by the crows to a private club in monte rio, california that same month. he did not place a value on either trip in the disclosure form because it's not required, but the watchdog group fix the court said that over the last 20 years when it comes to both the disclosed the undisclosed gifts clarence thomas is really in a league of his own. thomas has reportedly received 103 gifts, amounting to 2.4 million in value, and it's not even close. next in line is justice antonin scalia, and he's still accepted to $2.2 million fewer than thomas joining me now is justice correspondent for the nation and host of their new podcast contempt of court le mystyle and also with us, the former trump attorney tim parlatore, le inadvertently omitted what's your reaction to that yeah. >> so once again, we clot clarence thomas in a lie because when these allegations when these gifts first came out were first reported by propublica, thomas said that he was not required to report them on its disclosure form. now, he's saying not reporting them was an inadvertent omitted well, which one is it, clarence and frankly, it doesn't matter which one it is because there will be no punishment and so while we can talk about all of these guests, the $2.4 million the money that he is raking in the important thing to remember is that congress refuses to do anything to stop these people congress will not pass ethics legislation i do not know why republicans and congress oppose minimal basic ethics requirements for the supreme court. >> but they do. and so we don't have them. and so nothing squad do is the number that is going to happen? terms of consequences for clarence thomas is corruption and lies. >> members of congress's staffers. tim, are subject to more stringent ethical requirements. apparently than the supreme court of the united states how could that be and to ellie's point, i mean, is this not now crying out for congress to act if they really care at all about preserving even just the appearance of impartiality of the court i agree with ellie completely on this. you know, this is something that congressional staffers you mentioned, you feel look at the executive branch, i've represented several senior executive branch officials with investigations from the office of government ethics military officers are only allowed to accept gifts up to $20. nypd cops, they get written up if they take a free cup of coffee yeah there are there are rules in place for federal judges that limit the gift that they can get. it $50. but it specifically exempts the supreme court in the states. it can be even worse. i once had a state supreme court justice that i was in front of the during the case had a third party come to me and asked for a campaign contribution for that, judge. any type of thing where they're taking these large gifts. it's an appearance of impropriety is something that does in my opinion it degrades the image of impartiality and i think that i agree with ellie, this is something that the congress should act and try and put in some reasonable regulations on elie we talked about the bianna say tickets. >> i mean apparently there were a lot of people going to the bianna concert last summer. fine. but is there a difference between bianna say, gifting tickets and somebody who's has apparently strong ideological interest and the outcome of key cases that are before the court. and how do you deal? with that? i mean, it seems just difficult to draw that line, but it seems also that made there is a line that needs to be drawn there yeah. >> well, two things. one, i would not make a false equivalency between bianna tickets and and taking vacations with rich billionaire donors but here's the thing. if beyonce happen to have a case in front of the supreme court i would expect on the basis of this disclosure, ketanji brown jackson recused herself. that would be via appropriate thing for jackson to du right if if if samuel alito is taken, gets a free tickets hoodie in the bowl, fresh and hooting the blowfish have the case in for the supreme court. i would expect same alito to recuse himself like one of the ways that we could reform our ethical system here is to simply require, not leave it up to their discretion, not leave it up to like their best of intentions, but simply require justice it says to recuse themselves from cases where they have a puritan financial interest or some other political connection, right? we have nine of these people for a reason, right? we can we can have cases with eight justices. we can have cases. what seven justices. so even though i don't think there's any he equivalency between ketanji brown, jackson disclosures, and clarence thomas's disclosures, the underlying ethical issue here is still quite clear to me. if beyond say is in front of the supreme court can conjure brown jackson should step aside, and i'm sure she would can't say the same about clarence, can't say the same about alito tim for weeks, we were hearing from republicans that judge juan were shawn here in new york, could not possibly be impartial because he made $35 contribution to democrats in 2020 only 15 of that went to biden. >> the biden campaign, i guess specifically how can republicans make that claim while not even batting an eye at what's going on in these disclosure forms. >> that's the problem that i have, is that to be intellectually honest, you have to apply it to both sides. and so if you're going to say that justice merchan, the judge, marsha, and he has to recuse himself. you have to kind of go both ways on it. and that's why i do think that having some type of reasonable regulations in place that would really limit all judges and keep them keep them from any appearance of impropriety and i'm not gonna make any specific comparisons between these justices, but i agree if there's a case from bianna, say up at the supreme court? yes. that's that is something that will be an appearance of a conflict it'd be easier if congress simply putting a limit so that there are no gifts at all that you don't have to deal with that to begin with. hold the justices to the same standard that we hold every military officer that they can't take any type of gifts like this, every other executive branch employee, every congressional staffer why every judge from the lower courts, district and circuit courts. i don't see why the supreme court should be any different yeah. i mean, it's really flexing that 2.4 million is an eye-popping number. i mean, it's really extraordinary, but especially when compared to the other justices just the chief justice john roberts. i mean, he it has a role here why won't he take it? shouldn't he be deciding for the good of the court, which he it seems like when you look at his rulings, when you look at how he conducts himself, he wants to think of himself as playing that role. shouldn't he do more in this moment and what should he do even if congress doesn't act? is there anything? you think that he can do unilaterally on this no, abby, i think john roberts wants you to think of him that way. >> i don't think john roberts holds himself to that high stared because if he did, he would have done something already i'm john roberts says that the supreme court has its own ethics rule. there was that ridiculousness that happened earlier this year. basically the probe because the stuff first came out where john roberts allegedly released a code of ethics, but you'll note that that code of ethics released by john roberts has no teeth as it has no penalty for when the justices violate those ethics rule and so that's that's the, that's the twist here. roberts is willing to talk a good game, but he's not willing to put his back on him. he's not willing to put his foot on it. he's not willing to actually stop anybody and hold them accountable on his own court personally, i think this will go down, this ethical quandary that is the roberts court court will be part of his legacy. he won't be in the first line of his obituary because i don't get to write the obituaries, but five paragraph three, we're going to have to talk about the ethical mouth thesis, pheasants roberts presided over while he was chief justice the issue is that what the supreme court has proved is that it can't police itself, right? it's like when you tell your kid all right. you can come home at a reasonable hour, right. >> and then they show up at 2:00 in the morning. well, what do you do? you grab the car keys and you say, okay, yeah, abused your privileges now we're putting in a curfew and that again, the parents in this room and pains me to say it, but the adult in the room needs to be congress, needs to be the first branch of government with the constitutional authority to rein the supreme court justice, justices in because they have proven that they are unable, unwilling and, and capable of policing themselves if only congress could get its act together and to do well, just about anything. this might be on the agenda, but it doesn't seem it's got a bill right there. yeah. >> let's see what they do with it. well, see what they do with it. i'll leave his style tim parlatore. right. thank you both very much and up next 50 set chelsea handler and an outburst by trump vp contender tim scott. well, i will tell you what that's all about. ahead. >> plus speaking of contenders, harry enten will break down the prospects of trump's finalists and how often underdogs actually, win? 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cnn's data reporter harry enten is at the magic wall harry what are the betting markets telling us about these candidates? their chances to be trump's vp. >> yeah, let's take a look at the betting markets. this is sort of like a measure, i would say, of conventional wisdom. all right, and so we have years to champs being trump's vp and the arrows indicate the change from last month i may 6, what we see is the leader right now is tim scott with a 21% chance of being trump's vp nominee? and a very close second is doug burgum, who is steady. we notice of course with tim scott, the arrows up and bonding market for convention wisdom thinks he has a better chance and did last month also up is marco rubio with a 14% chance interestingly enough, abby and i, you and i were discussing this in the break. jd vance is chances have actually dropped. he is now tied with rubio at four team percent. last month he was at about 17%. but of course, here's the thing that i would almost take away from this is it's sort of an open ball game here, right? there's no real clear favorite even though tim scott leads the pack, he has just a 21% chance of being the vp nominee for trump. >> something tells me maybe the betting markets just don't know, may say they may not getting inside of one guy's heads awfully difficult. >> so what kind of resume has ultimately had the most success and actually getting on the vp ticket. >> yes. so i went back in time and essentially said, okay, who are the people that actually get nominated? it turns out members of congress are the ultimate, the ultimate plurality, the top choices for major 40 since 1,868, 39 times members of congress get chosen senators far more often than members of the house. governors, 14 times. so that might give you an indication maybe why doug burgum is sort of holding on where he is, right. and cabinet secretaries, i don't know if there's a cabinet secretary le currently in the mix, but eight times times a cabinet secretary has the highest position has been the vp nominee. but at this particular point, i think it's a pretty good bet, even if you're not sure which member of congress it's going to be that a member of congress is most likely going to be trump's vp nominee. yeah. i mean, like i have a theory about that. some of it has to do with presidents don't like other people who want to be executives on their ticket. but what about some of the people who were considered underdogs, but then eventually actually became the choice, maybe the dark horse of the race where were they at this point and you were saying, you know, maybe the betting markets don't exactly know what's going on. it's very difficult to get inside of somebody said right. so the chance of being vp at this point here was the betting markets and the cycles that they were chosen going back to, oh, wait on the republican side, the highest was actually pale and at 15%, paul ryan was just at 5% mike pence had just a 1% chance. so this idea that we can really get inside and understand where folks are going it's really anybody's ball game because ultimately it comes down to one person and one person alone. and that is the gop nominee, donald trump. >> that's right. and everybody has a theory about what the vp needs to do. and most of the time, it's nothing, it's really hairy. i didn't thank you. very bad issue and tonight we have a brief story for you about a senator, a wrapper, and a comedian. so here's what happened. $0.50 spent much of thursday on capitol hill talking to both republican and democratic lawmakers. while he was talking to reporters outside of the capitol, he made this comment about the upcoming election have you made a decision what do you think the significance of african-america n men in this election? supposed to do posse them identifying with trump why do you say that? because they got rico charges that's parked social media to resurface these comments by 50s, ex-girlfriend chelsea handler back in 2020 now, that came after he then supported trump's tax policy i and i had to remind him that he was a black person. >> so he can't vote for donald trump. and that he should it be influencing and entire swath of people who may listen to him because he's worried about his own personal pocket book about senator tim scott responded to that on twitter writing, yes, by all means, please tell another black man how to think. white lady now, i know that all that sounds like i made it up, but i promised you this really happened. this is really happening in this country joining me now is national political reporter jessica washington. underneath all of that craziness is actually a story about a black voters and donald trump and whether or not there's really momentum there. what i think is most interesting is that tim scott so it wants to jump into this fray and get into it with chelsea handler. what do you make of how he responded though? >> yeah. i mean, it was quite an aggressive response. i mean, and talking about race in a way we really haven't seen up until very recently, tim scott talk about race. i mean, calling her white lady like i really calling her out. it was it was a little unexpected from scott in a way, but i mean, it is becoming he is talking about race more and more now, but it was kind of jarring. i mean, he's also tried almost seems like he and you've got byron donalds all doing the same thing. they're trying to pitch themselves as the person who can deal with this issue for trump tim scott is putting his money where his mouth is, his pac has raised 14 million to try to recruit black and brown voters for republicans and for the trump campaign. >> do you think though that it's working? >> i mean, you had byron donalds today bringing up for this week, bringing up jim crow multiple times. i mean, it's it's getting a little weird. >> yeah. i mean, i don't think it's working for the average black person. now, are we certainly seeing particularly some with biden, some black americans are moving away from biden. we're seeing some pickup with trump, with black men, some. >> but this idea that all of a sudden black americans are going to say, oh, actually side with tim scott who said, i believe that welfare was potentially worse than slavery. the idea of the average black person is going to side onto that seems unlikely to me. >> there's also just to take a second about what 50 sad to say that statement that's out of the capitol? what is this idea that all these black men are criminals with rico charges and for that reason, they want to vote for donald trump. that is very bizarre. >> yeah. i mean, personally, i think it's insensitive. i mean, obviously, we know in our cited that african african-american people in the united states are over criminalized, right? so that's something we can, most people can agree on. that is certainly an underlying thing. but this idea that average black american is going to say, oh, you have rico charges me to like that's i don't think we're all living in the same reality about that. i mean, yeah exactly. i mean, it's so it's so interesting that that is where they go there are so many other avenues, but for some reason the criminality is the one that they go to black voters on yeah. >> no, it does seem very i mean, it's bizarre. i mean, many people have called it he says, i mean, there is this idea that okay, black people are celebrating criminality, which is very different from talking about the fact that black people are over criminalized and those are very different things and saying, oh, we love criminals and it's just that mixed messaging which feels very racially insensitive. today, is just kinda out there. yeah. i mean, could argue it's racist as well let's just that's all well, and what it is jessica washington. >> thank you very much for being here and up next. we know about inflation, we know about housing. but is there another reason that no one talks? 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what do you think is happening here to make americans really feel fundamentally unsatisfied with the direction of y. have americans been so grumpy, went on paper. the us looks so fantastic at least in many respects obviously inflation, big part of it, even though inflation has cooled meaning that prices are not growing as quickly as they had been. we've already seen a lot of price growth to date, and people are constantly hit by sticker shock. if you look actually at grocery prices, for example, they're pretty flat, or close to flat year over year. so technically, inflation in grocery prices is pretty good, right now. but people remember how much cheaper milk and eggs in hamburger meat and everything else. so they bought at the grocery store. we're not very long ago, so they're still getting that kind of sticker shock a little bit. >> i mean, i don't mean this to be dismissive, but there's a little bit of psychology. oh, absolutely absolutely. and i get why people are ticked off their wages are going up. their wages are going up for some of the same reasons that prices are going up, right? that when people see the cost of living going up they negotiate for higher pay. but i think the typical person quite reasonably sees a wage increase is something that they earned whereas inflation, something that happened to them, that it's, it's stripping away that well-deserved promotion or a raise. >> let's talk about these ceos because i mean look it's not like this idea of a pay gap between the ceos and their employees is new. but it is getting too ridiculous levels. i mean, it's just it is absurd so is that part of it to and do you think that that might actually change how people view the policy of this? i mean, democrats typically are the ones to say, let's actually tax the rich more. i mean, do you think that that helps are our voters not taking that into consideration? >> so i'm a little skeptical of the argument that the reason why people are grumpy about their own personal finances is that they see that some private equity ceo is making a lot of money. yes, it is a huge amount of money that you see on these lists. but i don't know that that's really the point of comparison that's driving people bonkers. >> he's getting resentful. >> so people do believe this argument that companies are opportunistically taking advantage of the willingness to pay of consumers and maintenance prices. >> but demand has been strong that's people are willing to buy stuff. so companies are trying to maximize the profits they're always trying to maximize the profits. i would like to come back to a point that you just made about taxing the rich. it is absolutely true that taxing the rich is a very popular thing to do. and if you look at polling the number one thing that americans say bothers them about the tax code is not their own tax rates. it's not how frustrating it is to file taxes is which is very frustrating. it's the fact that they think that the wealthy and corporations don't pay their fair share. >> so this is a winning issue for democrats. >> it's interesting because if you look at the polling about which party or which presidential candidate is trusted more on taxes, it's generally republicans and trump, rather than democrats and biden has people want to pay fewer. they want to pay less taxes in gen. right. >> but if you look at their actual policy proposals both biden and trump have promised to essentially lower prices, excuse me, lower taxes for the bottom, at least the bottom 90% of americans are not raise them in any event but trump and the republicans want to cut taxes also for the wealthy, for corporations can make those trump tax cuts permanent, make owes trump tax cuts permanent, which, which affect pretty much everyone. yeah. but trump wants to make them much more generous or corporations and the wealthy so it's interesting, this is definitely a winning issue for democrats. >> yeah, all right. >> catherine gram, pal. thank you so much speaking of jobs, a guy who has kept one through 516 of those jobs reports is finally calling it quits on or do played even a small part in all that thank you for allowing me into your lives pat sajak, last episode of wheel of fortune, aaron, tonight after 41 seasons. now, just for some perspective, this is how long that he has been hosting that show. in the europe. his first episode, 1981, dayana and charles tied the knot nasa launched its first space shuttle mission. mtv launched, and so did indiana jones but bette davis eyes was the top songs. sandra day o'connor are joined the bench of the supreme court. iran release the hostages. the champ retired dolores for you in cars, debuted and making their debuts into the world britney spears, justin timberlake, bianna, say meghan merkel, and paris hilton. now, sajak hosted through seven us presidents record records, cassettes, cds, computers, the internet, the iphone 50,000. we'll puzzles in all. and the early 8,000 vanna white outfits as well. but as much as things change, so much is still the same. joe biden still works in politics. you still works in washington and donald trump is still facing lawsuits and is still talking about what it takes to be a policy politician for some people, the ultimate goal in life has been becoming the president of the united states. >> would you like to be the president of the united states? 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