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here to pepeka. no fatalities. nine people were injured there. one person critically injured. governor of kansas is declaring state of emergency there. let's get right to our meteorologist rob marciano who is tracking these storms for us. >> that same line that produced the tornadoes last night across parts of kansas and missouri moving into parts of kentucky and indiana and illinois. dangerous storm with a tornado dropped down to harrisburg, illinois, damage there and search and rescue actually under way. that's with this line and this cell moving just to the south of evansville, indiana, just to the north of hender son, kentucky. another storm just northeast of paducah. another one just southwest of that. these are strong storms moving quickly. 65 to 70 miles an hour. and in somepla places it's stil dark. tornado watch is up until noontime central for parts of kentucky and also it's kind of sliding back through just north of memphis. this storm is a big one. it stretches all of the way to the northeast. you will get a little bit of snow north of new york city. the northern side of this thing, blizzard warnings continue for parts of the northern plains with over a foot of snow and some of it blowing sideways north and west of minneapolis. obviously the biggest concern right now are the tornado storms that are rolling across parts of western kentucky and southern indiana. >> rob, thank you. that looks like a big giant mess. more breaking news to tell you about a senior al qaeda chief was arrested at cairo airport. according to egypt's interior ministry he was arriving from pakistan. he's believed to have spent years detained in iran. the u.s. wasn't able to getting a cess to him. he was talked about as a successor to bin laden and believed to help plan the bombings in africa. this is really what his most wanted page looks like on the fbi web page where there was a $5 million reward for information leading to his capture or conviction. we're going to continue to follow this story and tell you some details as we get them. turning now to politics. big news there. in fact, let's introduce our panel to you this morning. ron brownstein is back, david frum is back, contributing editor of "the daily beast" and "newsweek," combining "the daily beast" and "newsweek." it's faster. and jamal simmons. nice to have you all with me. and, of course, the big news today is really what happened last night, mitt romney winning a pair of crucial wins in last night's primaries. the state was a blowout in arizona but very close than many people expected in myrrh again. that was a state where mitt romney was born and raised. but really for mitt romney, a win is a win. >> the first thank you is the first state to call it thank you, arizona. and thank you, michigan, what a win. this is a big night. thanks, you guys. >> it's like, let's start with arizona because that was the bigger win. of course, it is all really a race to the magic number of 44 delegates. last night he leads with 165 delegates. rick santorum at 44 delegates. ron paul is at 27 delegates. let's bring in bobby, chairman of the michigan republican party. he joins our panel. it's nice to see you. thank you for being with us this morning. out of michigan we had nine delegates go to mitt romney. seven go to rick santorum. and 14 delegates, they still have to decide where they end up going. what does this mean as we move forward into super tuesday, this win which was not really a giant win and pretty much kind of eking it out? >> well, what it suggests clearly is that michigan was very competitive, as we expected. both candidates worked hard across the state, appealed to -- their message appealed to our voters. it was very close. and we're still awarding delegates. we haven't completed it at the state party. if you look at migop.com you will see that we are still working through it. we're up, i think, until about 4:00 in the morning. our last posting was in the 3:00 range. it remains to be seen how many delegates each candidate got but it was very, very close. >> so i'm sorry, repeat that website. gopprimary.com is where people can go to see to figure out how to award those 14 last delegates? >> let me say it. migopprimary.com. >> between the two of us we're going get the website out. let me ask you a question. what did you think about the robocalls? i think we have a clip of one. as you know, rick santorum campaign asking democrats to really crossover and vote for him. let's play it. >> on tuesday, join democrats who are going to send a loud message to massachusetts mitt romney by voting for rick santorum for president. this call is supported by hard working democratic men and women and paid for by rick santorum for president. >> how did the party feel about that? >> well, you know, obviously we were disappointed. that's not the way that we want to see. ares behave. our voters are, you know, are informed voters. i frankly don't think that it had much of an impact. i think all of the candidates on the republican ticket ended up getting a few democrats to show up to vote. obama was on the ballot. if they wanted to come and vote in our primary it was open. they could have voted for obama. and at the end of the day, yes, it's disappointing. it's not the way we would like to see republicans in a primary behave. >> ron brownstein from "national journ journal." there are a number of commentators who said the net effect of this week was to put michigan off the table as a potentially contested state for republicans in november. particularly, mitt romney is so double down on his opposition to the auto bailout, 44% of republican voters in the exit poll supported the auto bailout. 64% overall. in recent polling. do you come out of this week with the ability to contest michigan seriously in the fall? >> absolutely. i mean, i think this was an example, is that michigan voters are going to play an important role. the unity behind beating barack obama is very strong. independents are clearly in our column. we expect will be appealing to them. our grass roots operations are extraordinary. volunteerism is way up. i think as you can't to see the numbers develop, you know, we will be a front and center spot in the coming activities. >> the dnc has a new ad. i going to play a chunk of it. basically it's a compilations of greatest hits made by the now once again front-runner mitt romney. here's a little part of it. >> i think that connecting is very important. obviously mitt romney is stumbled. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. 10,000 bucks? $10,000 bet? >> romney has to avoid those kind of gaffes. >> i know what it's like to worry whether you're going to get fired. there were a couple of times i wondered whether i was going to get the pink slip. >> my sorry, i'm also unemployed. >> i like being able to fire people who provide services to me. >> what's the strategy now out of that? clearly some of those gaffes were actually made as republicans keep ripping into each other. if the focus had moved on to president obama you probably wouldn't have had some of those stumbles. it's part of the -- you can see where the dnc is going to head with this and create that as part of his image what is the strategy for the party about that? >> well, obviously it's hard for me to predict the strategy of a campaign. but, look, i think that we've got to coalesce behind the good of all the candidates and the ultimate nominee and we will. romney has a tremendous resume. he's probably got the best resume when you lay them out there against all of the candidates including barack obama. and i think, you know, both sides obviously have talking points and blurbs of the other and they will be used and hopefully to continue to build up the prominence of the republican brand and build up the importance of this election and ultimately our nominee takes the white house. >> bobby schostak is chairman of the republican party. breaking news as we told you, a senior al qaeda chief arrested at cairo airport. his name is seif al adel. let's get right to barbara starr. barbara, what are we hearing? >> soledad, good morning again. well, egyptian officials are saying that this man has been arrested at the airport in cairo. coming from, they believe, pakistan through dubai into egypt into cairo and arrested and detained at the airport. you see his picture there. the u.s. has a $5 million reward on his head. this guy is extremely interesting to u.s. law enforcement and u.s. intelligence. he is wanted in connection with those 1998 bombings of the u.s. embassies in east africa. but, it had been believed for years that he was being held, if you will, house arrest inside iran, that essentially he was under the protection of the iranian revolutionary guard corp. house arrest technically in iran. the iranians had promised to keep an eye on him. but still, certainly not in detention by any stretch. so if this is all confirmed in the coming hours that somehow he went from iran to pakistan to dubai into cairo back into egypt, his nationality, he is an egyptian, it is going to be very interesting to determine what role iran played in this. did they let him out of the country, did he escape? not very likely. the iranians keep a pretty close eye on these things. so how did he get out of iran? that's going to be the interesting question. we can tell you right now u.s. officials are very aware of the reports coming out of egypt. they know about the statements about this arrest made by the egyptian interior ministry officials. still, they tell us they are working to independently confirm that here in washington and get the final confirmation that this man long wanted for his involvement in the embassy bombings and as a senior al qaeda operative close to osama bin laden. do they have him in custody actually in egypt and will they hold him? what will happen to him now? soledad? >> barbara starr, of course, watch for the details about how exactly it went down. that's going to be fascinating. thanks, barbara. other headlines making news. alina cho has that for us. >> good morning to you. a desperate search is under way right now for three missing people in alabama. it happened after a coast guard helicopter crashed last night in mobile bay. that chopper went down during a routine training mission. one crew member who was rescued has since died. the coast guard hayes sense fog hampered the search overnight. still not clear yet whether the bad weather caused the crash. he said he didn't even know who he was shooting. prosecutors say t.j. lane, the accused ohio high school gunman admitted to the rampage that has now killed three teens. he also said his targets were random. lane making his first court appearance yesterday. he is expected to be tried as an adult. we're also hearing for the first time from frank hall, the heroic teacher and assistant coach who put his own life at risk by chasing lane out of the cafeteria. he says he doesn't feel like a hero. >> i just want to say that i'm sorry to the families, to the victims. i wish i could have done more. >> classes will resume at chardon high school on friday. the funeral for daniel parmertor is scheduled for saturday morning. in just a couple of minutes soledad will speak with one of this friends, a fellow chardon student. international police have arrested 25 members of the alleged hacking group annonymoa. police tracked down alleged members in spain, argentina, chile, and colombia. one arrested is 16-year-old girl. anonymous is suspected of taking down interpol's website during the sweep and admitting to it on twitter. back to you. >> thanks. we're going to have much more on those breaking stories that we started our show with. the outbreak of tornadoes overnight turned deadly. one person killed. and people hurt across at least two states. and now those warnings are extending into the south. we'll update you on what's happening there. plus, reports of that key al qaeda get, the person who was claimed to be the possible successor to osama bin laden is reportedly caught in cairo. 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>> i saw him take out two. and i was gone, i was out of there. >> okay. were the students still alive? >> i don't know, ma'am. i didn't even check. i just got out of there as fast as i could. >> okay. but they went down, right? >> yes. they were -- they were laying on the ground in blood. >> goodness. funeral plans have been announced for one of the three students killed allegedly by t.j. lane. 16-year-old daniel parmertor will be laid to rest on saturday. tyler lelash is a friend of dani daniel's and a student at chardon high school. joining us by phone. tell me where you were when the shooting started and how did you realize what was going on? >> i was in my english class at 7:30 when the bell rang. and we were just sitting there, talking. and we just heard three loud pops. we didn't know what it was. sounded like someone shutting their lockers loud or taking their locker. found out what was going on when nurses were running down the hallway yelling gun, gun, shut your doors. that's when we shut our doors and went into lockdown mode. >> when did you know what was happening? when did you realize the extent that there was a kid, a student who had a gun? >> when my dad text me and let me know. >> so you were communicating with your parents by text the whole time? >> yes, i was. >> they must have been terrified, getting texts from you as you're telling them that you're in lockdown in your english class. >> oh, yeah. they -- they didn't know where the shooter was or anything. they just wanted to make sure i was safe. >> two of the students who -- you were friends with two of the students who have died in this shooting. how are you holding up? how are your friends holding up, as well? i know school is going to start again, the classes will resume on friday. >> we're just trying to stick together, you know, keep remembering them, remembering how funny they were and just talking to people, just discu expressing your feelings. that's the best way to get through stuff like this. >> did you know t.j. lane? >> i've seen him in school. i haven't really talked to him before. he was kind of quiet. >> the prosecutors said yesterday, made a point of saying that he was a kid who was not bullied, that this was not a case of drugs. did you -- would you agree with that? >> yeah, i agree with that. i've never seen him bullied before. i've seen him with friends. i don't think he was bullied at all. >> many people credit the teachers and also really good safety plan that you guys ran through back in 2010, or the fact that everybody kind of knew what to do. was that true? what was that plan like and did you feel like you were following it to the letter? >> yeah, i feel like we were following it. they did it in 2010. my dad participated in it and it was just the way they ran things. it was just very to the point and it was just a really good plan. >> what did they say that you were able to use, you know, when it wasn't a drill and it was the real thing, so much later. >> they let us call our parents, text our parents, you know, let them know where we are and we're okay. reassuring them. >> i had heard that one of the teachers, once he made sure that everybody in the class was okay, grabbed a bullet proof vest and then ran out into the hallway in order to drag an injured student into the classroom. was it standard that a teacher would have a bullet proof vest in the classroom? >> i mean, obviously it's a good thing he had it for stuff like this. but i'm glad he had it because he rescued my buddy. >> it was your buddy that he rescues? what were the circumstances? >> i think it was like shot in the shoulder or something like that. and he just opened the door, looked for t.j. lane and then saw him lying on the floor there and just pulled him? >> are you anxious about going back to class or do you feel that now that t.j. has been captured and it's all gone into court that you feel secure about your school again? >> i just want to go back to school and see my friends. i haven't seen my friends for the past two days. i want to go back to school and be with my friends. it's about time. i just want to be with my friends. >> i bet you do. thank you for talking with us by phone. i know your classes are about to begin approximately we'll let you go. we'll appreciate your time though. >> thank you. still ahead this morning on "starting point," the egyptian military has reported they have taken someone in custody with far reaching implications. we'll tell you about that as "starting point" is back in just a minute. ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪ the other office devices? 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>> yeah. he's been under house arrest in iran arguably since 2002, when a number of senior leadership figures from al qaeda went from afghanistan to pakistan through iran as the taliban fell. my belief and i think others' belief is that these guys were being held as sort of a potential bargaining chips in any kind of bargain that the iranian government might do with the united states government as it became clear they would like a deal between the u.s. and iran is becoming less and less likely. eventually a numb before of these guys were let go. and i think that seif al adel was let go at the end of 2010. he then made his way to the tribal areas of pakistan where he played an important role in al qaeda. and even when he was in iran, soledad, he was playing an important role in al qaeda according to saudi intelligence officials he was the guy who green lined it. al qaeda's campaign and saudi arabia which we had in 2003. so even on the house arrest he was able to play some sort of role. he basically pakistan. he took a tremendous risk, i think, obviously wanting to return to his home country where he hasn't been in more than probably two decades. and it appears that this risk has paid off rather poorly for him. >> it will be very interesting to get more details about this person who has now been arrested at cairo airport. peter bergen giving us that information. first senior leader of qutd arrested rather than killed by those drone strikes, could be a font of information once they're able to confirm exactly who it is, who is under arrest at cairo airport. thank you, peter. all right. other breaking news to get to this morning. one person is dead, several injured after severe storms slammed right through parts of kansas and missouri. it happened early this morning. as many as ten tornados have been reported. emergency teams are now on the scene. severe weather threat isn't over. let's get right to our meteorologist. rob marciano as an update for us on what has happened there last night and what is going to happen later today. >> impressive storm system. many facets, big one. reminiscent of march or april than it would be of this time of year. multiple tsornado warnings are n effect right now as well as watches in effect until noontime. as far as what we're looking at right now, this cell just east of evansville right down the ohio river next stop would be troy or tel city. 65 to 70 miles an hour. this has a history of producing a tornado. we have damage just south and east of evansville. also damage on the other side of the border in illinois. parisburg, illinois, hait has a tornado in it as it runs down the ohio river. . another couple of warnings south and west of that. so we're under the threat here. these really don't show much in the signs of weakening. that's why the prediction center has the storm watch boxes up in effect until nontiontime. we have a blizzard threat in the northern tier. and storms stretch into the carolinas and parts of the southeast and that snow and wintry mix will stretch into the northeast as well. quite a storm. soledad, back to you. >> appreciate that, rob. thank you. let's turn to politics and the two big primary wins for mitt romney happened last night. romney scored a close win in michigan. beat rick santorum by three percent sage points. power to a hefty victory in arizona where his speech started in the state of arizona last night. those two wins though helping mitt romney in his lead for the race. he has now 165 while rick santorum is second with 44. newt gingrich has 38. ron paul has 27. priebus is the chairman of the republican national committee. priebus, i butchered it. >> bizarre name. >> no more bizarre than soledad o'brien, let's g real. it was a win but it was a squeaker. and so now is it fair to say you have an established gop front-runner at this point? >> i think governor romney had a good night last night and moving on to super tuesday. you're putting it in the right perspective. co according of our numbers, and the a.p. and cnn has different numbers. 122 delegates so far. next tuesday, 400 delegates in one day on tuesday and so certainly governor romney has done well in the states that have awarded dell dates. obviously we're going to see what happens next tuesday. i feel good about this. i know that people argue over whether, you know, having a tough primary is a good thing or a bad thing. i just happen to believe that it's good for a party, as you and i have talked about many times. >> good for your party, bad for independents, though? you keep seeing the independents go on a downward drag. >> i think that it's important to make the case to all americans, and not just independents. and i think in the end, independents will come our way based on where we are as far as whether or not we're better off today than we were three or four years ago, where are we in regard to the economy and is it better or worse? and i think all those things are fluid but i think all in all, if you look at the president's promises and the standards that he set for himself and rally grand incredible fashion in 2008, he's not come anywhere close to meeting those standards. i think at the end, and i think we all see, you know, the way that media is so intense, even in our own primary here, just imagine what a week is going to feel like in october and september. >> kind of feel longer than it does now? is that what you're saying? it feels like forever. >> i just think that sometimes we lose perspective of how long june, july, august, september, october -- >> we believe you on that. we agree on that. completely. >> it's going to be eternity. i'm not nervous about this at all. i think the drama and the tough primaries is a good thing for us, soledad. we put people to sleep in '08 with our nomination process. and i think it's laughable when i hear people claiming that, you know, we ought to put people to sleep again this time around and just move on. i don't think that's the case. >> hang on one second. >> one thing that michigan underscored is that you have a sharp and i think by now a very stable dividing republican party. if you look at the results, mitt romney is doing well in what can be done in manage jeeraling the party, nonevangelical, nontea party. oakland, 22,000 votes. home county. classic place where he's doing well the other side of the party continues to resist, evangelical, tea party activist, very conservative voters. one question will be, can these two ends of the party come back together as opposition to brl which is real and powerful, enough to knit this back together given a central cleavage that we've seen established in this republican race. >> let me ask you about those robocalls because i'm curious to know what the party thinks about them. we do, in michigan, it was -- i think we have a clip of it. let's play that clip so i don't have to describe it. >> on tuesday, join democrats who are going to send a loud message to massachusetts' mitt romney by vote for rick santorum for president. this call is supported by hardworking democratic men and women. >> when you heard that robocall from the santorum campaign, what did you think? >> well, i mean, obviously as chairman of the party i wish people would follow reagan's 11th commandment and not particularly a big fan of that tactic, soledad, but, you know, as party chairman, playing referee and getting in the weeds and, hey, this little piece is good and that's not good and this 30-second ad is over the line, i really don't get into that. but i want to respond. i think, you know, john king had a couple of poll numbers out last night on your coverage. and you know, he showed that the split on tea party was pretty even. at least on the polling that i was watching last night. i think it goes up and down. i think it's an important thing for our party to make sure that we keep not just, you know, people who identify themselves as tea party republicans or regular republicans, whatever you want to call it, whatever labels you want to put on it. but we do have to keep, i think, the conservative movement moving in the same direction. i think that's a job that i have as part of my job as chairman of the rnc. what i tell folks in the tea party and people worried about the constitution and liberty and freedom as i am, is that we're just part of the conservative movement. we're not in competition with it. we just have to do our real part in raising money and staying on message and making sure that we provide an alternative to a president who hasn't fulfilled his promises. >> reince priebus is chairman of the republican national committee. still ahead this morning on "starting point," has egypt captured a major al qaeda player? an arrest at cairo airport koug the guy set to succeed osama bin laden. we're going to follow those developing details. as we told you about, a deadly tornado in the midwest. we're live on the ground many one of the hardest hit areas. "starting point" is back in just a moment. ♪[music plays] ♪[music plays] ♪[music plays] purina one beyond. food for your cat or dog. good morning, everybody. i'm alina cho. 47 minutes after the hour. quick headlines to get to. vacation nightmare for passenger on board that cruise ship may soon be over. right now the cruise liner is being towed by a french fishing vessel through pirate invested waters to a port in the safe shales. the report is expected to arrive in port later today. safety warning for statin fps fda says she's drugs can cause memory loss and confusion and could raise blood sugar levels as well. regulators are placing new warning labels on the prescriptions. nearly 32 million americans use statins like lipitor to lower cholesterol and prevent heart disease. soledad, back to you. >> thanks, alina. male infertility is a condition highly underdiagnosed, mostly due to the fact that many men don't think that could be the problem. in this week's human factor dr. sanjay gupta has a story of a man who was told he would never father a child but took no for an answer. >> reporter: they dreamed of becoming a parents. >> we both knew we wanted to have kids right from the get-go. >> reporter: they got married. bought a house in a good school district and eventually started try for a family. lindsay was in her 20s and totally healthy. yet, after near lly a year, hey hadn't gotten pregnant. >> it honestly never crossed my mind for 11 of those 12 months that it would be a male issue. but finally, you know, i said, well, maybe you should go to the doctor. >> reporter: urologist and reproductive specialist says male infertility is a more common problem than couples may real liz. >> one of the first things is figuring out how big a problem male infertility problem is? how big is it? >> probably affects 12% of the men in general. though all couples who struggle with infertility, probably in half of those, there's probably a male contribution. >> it could be caused by a myriad of factors, genetics, irregular chromosomes, obesity, drug abuse, even smoking. for some men it's a as a result of something as. >> as a undetected cluster of veins. when someone has a varicose seal, a cluster of veins, how is that making a man infer tell. >> just like a varicose vein in your leg except it's and your testicle. you can fix it. it's a simple inclusion te technique. 80% of the time you have enhance fertility rates 60%, 70%. >> if that's the problem, rhepry high likelihood it can be treated. infertility caused by obesity, drug use and smoke kg be reversed in many men. and more corp. pmplicated cases diagnosis of male infertility is not necessarily the final word. >> sanjay is the with us in new york. it's nice to have you hear. anybody watching his story, what should someone take away from that? >> i think, first of all, the cultural issues. this couple, they were trying to get pregnant for a year. this is pretty common. you think you have to get the woman examined to figure out what is happening with fertility. as you heard there, 50% of the time it's on the male side. i think a lot of people just simply didn't know that. >> i thought those stats were so high. it's really women who seem to talk about it much more. >> that's right. i think that the more of the anxiety because of that cultural phenomenon. there are things that can be done. in steven's case he ended up being diagnosed with testicular cancer. they did a sperm extraction before he got cheem know therapy and they did ivf and they're pregnant. they're doing egg freezing now. something that people have talked about for a long time. you needed to freeze 150 eggs to get one viable egg. now itrefication which is putting the egg in a frozen glass, five eggs you can get a viable egg. it's much more likely to egg freeze, sperm bank, use surrogates. whatever it tanks within these fertility clinics to have babies. >> do you think there's a stigma with it. i don't know, i've had a few kids myself. >> this has been a problem. >> but for girlfriends of mine, we would get in little clicks and talk about that. i don't know that men do the same thing. i can't imagine it. do you? that's what i would have guessed. >> they don't talk about their health. this is low on the list. you know what dr. whitt was saying is men are starting to get more proactive. women say i'm young, i know i won't have babies for 15 years, there are things they can do to inbe crease their chances of having a baby. for men the situation is the same. they're not doing it as much now. he's starting to see a change a bit. >> sanjay gupta, nice to have you. i love it when he's in new york. >> keeping you guys healthy. >> still ahead this morning on "starting point," we're going to talk about what looks to be a major arrest of a senior al qaeda militant. the egyptian ministry is reporting they have taken someone into custody at the cairo airport. one person is dead in missouri, kansas has declared a state of emergency after severe weather in that area. the reports are of ten tornadoes. some of the videotape really incredible. we'll talk about that straight ahead. stay with us. cholesterol. is it a superhero? 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"starting point" begins right "starting point" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome back, everybody. we start with breaking news. there is word of another key al qaeda capture though there are some conflicting reports about whether or not this is the right guy. let's get right to barbara starr for the very latest on this story. where does the confusion come from this this report, barbara? >> reporter: good morning, soledad. you're right. apparently the egyptians have arrested a key al qaeda operative. the question is which one. egyptian state media is reporting the arrest of a man named mohammed inbra ham mulcawe. that is where the confusion lies because a man named saef elauto, we have a picture of him, he may be a different person, he is one of the most wanted al qaeda terrorists by the united states. he has a $5 million reward on his head. he is wanted in connection with the 1998 bombings of the u.s. embassies in east africa. said to be a major al qaeda operative. had been sheltered in iran for many years and possibly had left iran. we don't know if the iranians let him go. went to pakistan. the man the egyptians say they arrested came through pakistan, through dubai, back through the airport in cairo, egypt, where he was detained. now the question is this confusion. which man is it? is it seif al-adel or is it this other al qaeda operative who also uses that name? very confusing. working to sort it out as we speak, soledad. >> barbara, thank you. we'll continue to check in. let's talk politics now. intro our panel. ron brownstein is with us, david frum, and jamal simmons. another breaking story, the results last night. michigan everyone was watching. >> that was the marquis contest. it told us two things that are important. one is that romney's hold pretty strong. it did very well with bringing voters together as he has done in other states. the other big take away from michigan is that rick santorum seems to be defining himself slightly too narrowly to truly threaten the nomination. he can challenge him but right now he's winning only the most ideological elements of the party. he's not reaching more deeply into that blue collar core of the party. noncollege voters, middle income voters, he lost catholics in this after spending the weekend attacking the first catholic president on the separation of church and state. he seems too narrow. he can win states but he's going to have to expand to win the nomination. >> mitt romney paid very heavily for this win. it's not the millions of dollars. the price was he was driven on friday to a speech in detroit where he announced a second tax cut. he's back in september he committed himself as part of a very comprehensive and detailed and considered economic plan to making the bush tax cuts affirmative. on friday he delivered a speech that was really not very well worked out. it was really on the back of an envelope offering an additional 20% tax cut -- cut in tax rates that will disproportionately affect the high income people. that puts him into a box in keeping his balanced budget plan. it means he's deeply locked into even bigger -- no medicare cuts for ten years. that means all of his deficit reduction falls upon the young and the poor. that is something that was the price -- he thought it was the price of winning. boy will it wrangle. >> let's get to republican congressman connie mack of florida. he's a romney supporter. it's nice to see you. congratulations are in order i guess. there were two victories last night. do you feel like that gives momentum really or i feel like this go around momentum is like for ten seconds, we'll talk about it. on to super tuesday. >> there is no momentum. >> what do you think, connie? >> i would thank you for having me on. of course it's momentum. look, it was a big night yesterday no matter -- people might say three points, four points. he was losing in michigan by 15 points just a week ago. i think this is a big win and it's because people look at mitt romney and say, he understands the economy. he understands how jobs are created. he understands that people are hurting and that's the message that's resonating with voters. >> when you look at some of those statistics and the exit polling that ron brownstein was just talking about, i think i have a graphic of this, who really supported him by income, under 30 k was santorum, between 30 k and 100 k were also santorum winning that cat for ri. it was 100 k plus that went to mitt romney. that seems like that could spell big trouble down the road. >> you know, you can supplies and dice all of these numbers all you want. the bottom line is he won michigan, he won arizona. he has shown that he can post up with any one of his opponents and win. i think that is an important thing that people are missing is that when mitt romney talks about the economy, talks about jobs, talks about how to balance the budget and move this country forward, people listen and they're interested in what he has to say. >> connie, this goes to this question about the speech he gave on friday. people do listen to what governor romney said. what they're hearing is an enormous tax cut for their people. medicare reform not to come for ten years. all of the costs to fall on the young immediately and the less after fluent. food stamps are going to be reduced, unemployment insurance is in the gun sights all of that to begin soon after he's elected president as possible. isn't that a heavy price to pay? doesn't that cloud the much more coherent economic message he delivered in september on that very impressive economic plan? >> well, i would say this. maybe we heard a different speech because what i heard was him talking about how to move america forward, how to help people find work, how to invigorate this economy. that's what people are looking for. look, whether or not -- wherever you are in this country, you're looking for someone who understands how budgets work, how an economy works, how jobs are created, and that's what mitt romney is talking about. >> how will the 20% further tax cut put anybody to work? he offered none in that speech. >> as you cut taxes as has been shown in history here in america, revenues go up in the federal government because people are able to keep their own money instead of it being taken by government. >> that's the case? >> and then spend it in the economy. >> we are facing a situation where there are fewer people working today ten years after the bush tax cuts have been passed. can i ask you, the focus on social issues from senator santorum obviously dominating the debate leading into the race in michigan, what do you think the impact will be on the republican party if you continue to have your debate centered on those questions at least as much as the economic issues? >> i would agree that i think senator santorum's narrow focus on some of these issues hurt him in michigan, hurt him in arizona and will continue to be a weight around him as he moves forward. look, people are interested in jobs, the economy, and balancing the budget. that's why mitt romney continues to win these primary elections. that's why i believe that he will win, be our nominee, and ultimately beat barack obama because he's got a plan on how to turn this country around. people want to see us get off the road to greece and on the road to prosperity. >> go ahead. >> senator mack, you just mentioned that people are interested in jobs and the economy. i think people are also interested in leadership out of their presidential nominee, and so far what we haven't seen from mitt romney is a leadership in his own party to challenge them on church and state being separated, to challenge the party to stand up on college education being important. where are the moments where he stands up and says too his party, listen, i'm the leader. i know where to go. you guys need to follow me. i've got the direction. i don't see him appealing to democrats or disaffected democrats or independents by following rick santorum's lead here. >> well, he's shown his leadership in every step of his life, but clearly -- clearly no one else on this panel is a supporter or likes mitt romney, but i'm telling you that as i traveled around with mitt romney in the state of florida and he spoke to people about jobs, the economy, balancing budgets, they saw leadership. they saw someone who understands whether it was in massachusetts, whether it was in the olympics, or whether it was in business or his personal life, this is a leader. he's been a leader at everything that he's done in life, and so i don't think that's much of a question other than people who want to try to tear him down instead of lift him up. >> congressman connie mack joining us. republican from florida. thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. in just about 20 minutes we'll talk with rick santorum's pregs secretary, alice stewart will join us live right here. we've got other headlines making news. let's get to alina cho. >> good morning. a desperate search is underway right now for three missing people in alabama. happened after a coast guard helicopter crashed last night into mobile bay. the chopper went down during a training mission. one crew member who was rescued has since died. the coast guard says dense fog hampered the search overnight. still not clear yet whether the bad weather caused the crash. he said he didn't even know who he was shooting. prosecutors say t.j. lane the accused ohio high school gunman admitted to the rampage that has now killed three teens. he also said his targets were random. lane, making his first court appearance yesterday, he is expected to be tried as an adult. we're also hearing from the first time from frank hall. he's the heroic teacher and assistant coach who put his own life at risk by chasing lane out of the cafeteria. >> i just want to say that i'm sorry to the families, to the victims. i wish i could have done more. >> classes will resume at chardon high school on friday. last night ohio's governor joined family and friends and students for a prayer vigil for the victims. the fun rel for dan armertor is scheduled for saturday morning. u.s. markets poised to open heightly higher. they're all up right now. and the dow closing above that key 13,000 level for the first time since 2008. yesterday. gas prices seem to be rising as fast as home values are falling. they've gone up 22 days in a row. the average price for a gallon of unleaded nationwide is now $3.73. that's up 1.5 cents just since yesterday. in the first two months of 2012 gas prices have jumped 13.8% heading toward that $4 level. >> people are feeling it. alina, thank you. still ahead this morning on "starting point," a couple celebrating their fifth anniversary on a ship. a ship called the "costa concordia." as you can imagine, it ends in disaster. they're going to tell their story 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>> we were tremendously satisfied with the results last night simply because we came into a state, as rick just said, it was mitt romney's backyard. tremendous name i.d. father was the governor. tremendously outspent more than six to one and we gave him a run for the money. his back was against the ropes for the past couple weeks and we're very satisfied with that. the key take away message of this is the delegate count. we gave him a run for his money in that regard. this is not about necessarily who came in first here, it's who's walking away with the most delegates. the numbers are still being crunched. there are still some congressional districts with the way this is being allocated proportionally by congressional districts. there is a good chance we will tie with him in the delegate count and quite possibly even surpass him in the delegate count. that's key. if that happens we are clearly the winner in this case. whether or not he has the most actual votes, the way the delegates are distributed, that's the key. >> that's how i started. i said you could lose but still win. let me ask you a question about some polling because two weeks ago you were actually ahead a lot in the polls. then over time up to just a couple of days ago that lead really narrowed. and then you had what was in certain overall voters a loss. what do you think accounts for that declining polling that was happening? >> well, a lot of it has to do with the big money romney machine steam rolling in here and putting up quite a bit of ads and being able to have a much bigger staff. he had certainly a lot of surrogates come in here. he, himself, as well as members of his family coming here in their own home state. that's to be expected. we came in here two weeks ago -- >> how much do you think it had to do with the conversation over the weekend that really focused on college education and connecting that to snobbery and contraception and separation of church and state? because that was really the topic of conversation over the weekend and then into monday. >> well, i can assure you as rick went around to several events over the past several days and weeks, the thing that resonated with the people and what they connected with him were his views and his statements that he made about things that are of interest to them. and that is jobs and the economy. and the past few days he's talked quite a bit about energy and national security. those are the issues that people listen to. those are the things that they're concerned with. and that is what helped him to come in a virtual dead heat with mitt romney in his own home state. he's connecting to people -- >> i'm wondering if you think it was a mistake to have conversations because the topic of conversation, you're right now, closer to primary daze day, the shift was back to jobs and economy. over the weekend it really wasn't. over the weekend it was j.f.k. and it was the first amendment, it was separation of church and state, contraception, it was calling the president a snob about thinking that everybody should go to college. so was that shift saying, wow, that's a mistake? our poll numbers are coming down when we go that direction we're carving a narrower niche of people who that message is resonating with? >> i can assure you he spent the bulk of his time out there on the stump talking about jobs and the economy and national security. the issues that you talked about are things that were played out in the media. specifically on the college issue, he was referring to the fact that college is not the right avenue for every single person in this country. trade schools, technical schools, other training programs that will equip people of this country for manufacturing jobs, which is key. he sees that as a corner stone for helping the economy. that's the point he was trying to make. but it's the message connected with the people here in michigan in terms of his 100 day plan for igniting our energy resources here, repealing obama care, tax cuts for families. those are the issues that connected with people and as he said in the tape that you played, he got into the hearts of people of michigan and they responded very well. >> let me ask you a question about the robo calls. was it a mistake? >> absolutely not. and we've said all along that the purpose -- we'll see. we'll see how the next states play out. the key is we've always said we need to appeal to conservatives and also reagan democrats. rick appealed to them as a conservative saying my conservative views and values will help you as a reagan democrat as opposed to mitt romney who's sending out fundraising appeals touting his moderate records. i'm a moderate, give to me and i will continue my moderate record. that's not what they want. they want someone who will have views, values, ideas, solutions that will help all-americans, conservatives and reagan democrats, independents, people all across the country. he's appealing as he truly is, as a consistent conservative and his values will help everyone across this country from all income levels and also all ideologies and certainly whether we're talking reagan democrats, conservatives, independents, that's who we'll reach out to in the super tuesday states. >> why do you think he lost catholics? when you look at the exit polls, catholics went for mitt romney. do you think that had something to do with his comments about j.f.k. when he said i was throwing up when j.f.k. was talking about the role that faith played when how he would govern. >> in terms of how the votes break down, we'll look at that over the next few days and look at how we need to move forward on that. >> in that one i can tell you, i'll tell you, he lost catholics. that's how the vote went down for him. looking back would you say, that was a bad strategy. we alienated catholics potentially by attacking j.f.k. maybe we should change things? is that what you would be considering? >> no. what we do is reach out to the evangelical community across the state and we appeal to them and the hearts and minds of the evangelicals. we received a great reception. had a tremendous event yesterday. quite a bit of members of the faith community came out and as i said, he reached into their hearts and they responded accordingly. they appreciate his views and his values on faith and family and the pro-life issue and that's what we're going to continue to do, reaching out to evangelicals, people of all faiths and certainly conservatives across this country, but particularly we're doing very well in ohio. we had a great event in ohio yesterday. we'll also reach out in tennessee, georgia, washington state. we'll continue his message as the consistent conservative and we'll continue to win voters across this country one person at a time. >> alice stewart joining us, national press secretary for santorum 2012. thank you for being with us this morning. appreciate your time. >> thank you. still ahead this morning, we'll get back to our breaking news. dangerous and deadly weather ripping through america's hartland. as many as ten tornadoes are now reported. got some live pictures of damage over harveyville, kansas. just look at that. there's word that some 60% of that town is now gone. it's been destroyed. we're going to get right to rob marciano who's tracking the system for us. also, another community rocked by a deadly school shooting. talk live with the principal of columbine high school about how they got on the path to recovery. mistakes that cost you money gaffs by the obama administration. you're watching "starting point." 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>> all heading east and spreading south and the tornado watches continue to pile up and be extended through the afternoon and likely through the evening. the tornado warnings that are up include right along the ohio river just south of louisville and just east of madisonville. this had a history of seeing a tornado touch down. we've had widespread reports of damage in harrisburg, illinois. similar storm just west in missouri produced some damage as well. these are holding together and they will continue to do so. if anything, get a little more strength as we heat up the day. these are all the reports from last night. notice one up here in nebraska. that's the first time we have a recorded tornado in nebraska for the month of february. so an unusual event. blizzard to the north and severe weather to the south. over 100 wind reports, some of which up to 70 or 80 miles an hour. at least ten reports of tornadoes. those reports are beginning to pile up. here are the added tornado watches in effect until 1:00 p.m. likely to be expanded off to the east. it will be getting into the northeast soon enough. here's the blizzard warning. the snow is blowing sideways in places like minnesota and the dakotas. all eyes on the severe weather heading across the tennessee valley. >> that sounds miserable. rob, thank you. >> this just in as well. some good news. the economy is growing at a rate of 3.0 percent in the fourth quarter of last year. that's good news. it means the commerce department upgraded this number from the last estimate which was 2.8%. shows the economy is picking up steam growing faster than we thought, faster rate than earlier in the year. let's get inside now the ohio school shootings. the 911 tapes have been released. you can listen to the moments right after the suspect fled the building. listen. >> 911 what's your emergency? >> it's principal at chardon again. the alleged shooter ran out the back door down the easement towards the tennis courts past the pool. >> okay. >> all right? >> okay. do you have any description of clothing? >> we have white t-shirt, shaggy dark hair, tall, skinny. >> tall, shaggy dark hair? >> we have a name that we think. >> is that thomas? >> yes. >> so that was the principal of chardon high school on the phone with the 911 operator. there's a man who has been in those shoes before. the principal of the columbine high school. 13 people ended up being killed, two dozen more were injured. thanks for talking with us. it's nice to see you again, although it's often under these terrible kind of circumstances. when you heard the news about this school shooting, did it just take you right back to columbine? >> most definitely. i think any time there is a school shooting, even though it can be in a different state, different country, it does retraumatize myself and the columbine community. >> do you have to have conversations with the students, the teachers, those are the ones who are still there if they've been long-time teachers every time something like this happens? >> right. with the students, this senior class that's getting ready to graduate were in preschool. of course, we have counselors on staff all the time when school's in session. there's about 25 staff members who are left from when the tragedy occurred at columbine high school. there were 150 staff members on april 20th, 1999. out of the 150 there's about 25 left. we do check in on each other. we have a support system. there's a special bond that was formed as a result of the tragedy that occurred at columbine high school. >> i know you've reached out to the principal of chardon and i'm sure he's crazed because on friday they're going to reopen that school. what do you want to tell him? why did you reach out to him? >> well, originally when i found out about the tragedy i called and i had an opportunity to talk to their public information officer and left my number and at this point i have not had an opportunity to talk to the principal or to the superintendent. and i can remember back to april 20th, '99, received so many phone calls and there was so much happening that i didn't even realize what i needed at that point. i think where i could serve as a great resource and in the aftermath, what i could tell him is that there are so many people out there that support him. columbine high school is sending their love and support. had many of the teachers who were in the building that day on april 20th that offered to go out and help the students and staff and the community members. the one piece of information i think that still rings out in my mind is someone said it's a marathon, not a sprint. just to know that they're not in it alone. >> so what has been the biggest challenge for you as you've tried to heal, not just the school community, but the greater community? what surprised you as an obstacle? >> i think the most difficult thing, thing i didn't realize, is everyone felt that there's going to be this one day that people are going to wake up and state, geez, everything is back to normal. what i have told people on numerous occasions, what happened at columbine high school, what has happened in chardon, you will not have normal again. you'll have to redefine what normal is. each day brings certain challenges. columbine it'll be 13 years this april in which the tragedy occurred and we're still on the road to healing. i think any time a school shooting occurs or a threat occurs, we are retraumatized, but you just learn that there's a lot of support. a lot of it's trial and error. i think in talking to the public information officer, many of the things that were in place in ohio were in place as a result of lessons learned from columbine high school. >> when you thaer that, how do you feel about that? it's true. a lot of what they talked about people's response being so spot on and they had practiced it just back in 2010 that that was really credit because of what had happened at your school. how do you feel about that? >> well, you know, we'll always remember the 13 who lost their lives and all of the students who were injured and all the community members who were deeply affected, but luckily they did not die in vein. and if what we learn from columbine high school could save other lives, that is so important. i think what is key is to let students or parents or community members know that there are resources out there to prevent these types of things from happening. now with social networking taking place, more plans are placed on the internet or on facebook and so if any students suspect anything, they need to alert authorities even though they may think, well, this child is not -- they're not taking it seriously. do not. i mean, you really need to err on the side of caution. and so i think that is so important. you know, the lessons learned, just how the police respond. in reading the accounts of what happened in ohio, the teachers responded heroically, the one teacher who chased the gunman out of the 3wu8ding. they should be applauded for their efforts. it doesn't happen by accident. it's because they practice is it. >> that's correct. frank is a principal of columbine high school, still the principal. thank you for talking with us this morning. we appreciate your insight. >> thank you. still ahead on "starting point," the stimulus stumble. some critics think we'd be better off now if the obama economic team didn't call the shots it did to jump start the recovery. we'll talk about that right after the commercial break. and our communities... america's beverage companies have created a wide range of new choices. developing smaller portion sizes and more low- & no-calorie beverages... adding clear calorie labels so you know exactly what you're choosing... and in schools, replacing full-calorie soft drinks with lower-calorie options. with more choices and fewer calories, america's beverage companies are delivering. never before seen memo from inside the white house could have changed the course of economic recovery maybe? so says a new book coming out. an author suggests that the president blew it when it came to the stimulus plan. the pop is called "the escape artist." it's nice to have you. i guess we know how you feel about it. >> it's out there. >> a lot of it centers around the president's council of economic advisors, specifically christina roamer. tell me a little bit about that memo. >> yeah. it was early december of 2008. economy was getting very bad very quickly and they sort of forecast the size of the hole and what it would take to fill the hole. when she did her analysis it said it would take $1.8 million to get employment back to healthy state. she wrote up the memo and there was conversation. that's the ideal but what do you actually show the president. she and larry summers debated this. larry said you can't show the president that. you'll get laughed out of the room. the political advisors will just dismiss you as oblivious to the political realities that they face in congress. so basically he pushed back and said, you know what, i don't want to show the president elect and his advisors this large a number. why don't we say we'll push for something that's about 800, $850 billion. huge by historical standards and just hope that we can at least get that. and i think, you know, on one level that did reflect political reality, but on another level i think the president needed to see and deeply grasp that what might have been politically possible -- >> was that 1.8 number ever floated? listen, here's a number that's a politically horrible number we'll show you anyway. the number you might want to be able to think about going forward with politically is this one? was that ever shown to him? >> it was not. the final memo said we recommend to do this 850 billion, that's the higher option. there was a lower option shown. you have to understand that will not do the job. there was no illusion that this is perfect, this will completely solve the problem. then there was another statement that was very curious that was added between that draft that romer did and the final memo and that said, while theoretically you might want to go considerably higher than this because this is not quite sufficient, as a practical matter just on the economics you wouldn't want to do that because the returns diminish, you start kind of scaring the bond markets and interest rates rise. it was really a muddled thing. even though they did say this is not perfect, they also said you wouldn't want to go too much higher because it has these other consequences that are lousy. >> this is a story about a staff process. if a memo comes to the president that says you've got this crisis and here is something that we think will do the job, isn't the president supposed to go around the table and say, does everybody here agree with that? and sort of look and get a sense of if somebody doesn't. isn't the president supposed to say is this the ideal plan? >> were not enough questions asked? >> yeah. i mean, this is a clearly larry summers is to blame for our problems story tooled by the person who says if only they had listened to me we wouldn't have the problem. the staff doesn't run the country, the president runs the country. the president has the power to ask all of these questions. >> david frum, is there a question in your question for our author? >> i think it's a very good point. i don't think the president really asked that question. >> isn't that the story? >> i do. you know, one of the things i struggled with in writing the book was how much blame do you apportion to the staff and how much do you apportion to the president? and in a variety of ways i think even though i do single out various advisors, i think you're absolutely right. ultimately the buck stops with the president. and it's not just the stimulus that i write about. i write about -- i'm critical of their preoccupation with deficit reduction which i think was premature and costly to the recovery. you know, ultimately that falls at the president's feet too. the guy is kind of a deficit -- >> politically weren't they right? that was a battle anyway, right, to get the 60 votes? 1.8 you would have been laughed out of the room. >> that's the big point. what's the counter effect? when you say blame, was there a case you could have gone to this congress and exacted significantly more stimulus money that they got which was pretty remarkable? only three of them voted for it. one of them was driven out of the party. >> i don't want to suggest they could have gotten 1.7 trillion or 1.8 trillion. i think they could have left a little money on the table. they ended up proposing even less than that 850. they proposed 775. then a couple weeks later larry summers and rob emmanuel went to congress and went to nancy pelosi and harry reid. we want to work with you. they were aware that would scare them. pelosi looked at them and said, that's fine. anything up to a trillion would be fine with us. so they could have easily started with 950, 975. >> let me stop you there because i want to continue this conversation. we've got to hit a commercial break. we'll keep talking about this and the president specifically, what he said about his legacy straight ahead. with these 4g lte tablets, you can do business at lightning-fast speeds. we'll take all the strawberries, dave. you got it, kid. we have a winner. we're definitely gonna need another one. small businesses that want to grow use 4g lte technology from verizon. i wonder how she does it. that's why she's the boss. because the small business with the best technology rules. contact the verizon center for customers with disabilities at 1-800-974-6006. ♪ home was an airport lounge and an ipad ♪ ♪ made sure his credit score did not go bad ♪ ♪ with a free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ app that he had ♪ downloaded it in the himalayas ♪ ♪ while meditating like a true playa ♪ ♪ now when he's surfing down in chile'a ♪ ♪ he can see when his score is in danger ♪ ♪ if you're a mobile type on the go ♪ ♪ i suggest you take a tip from my bro ♪ ♪ and download the app that lets you know ♪ ♪ at free-credit-score-dot-com now let's go. ♪ vo: offer applies with enrollment in freecreditscore.com™. one chance to hunt down the right insurance at the right price. the "name your price" tool, only from progressive. ready, aim, save! grrr! ooh, i forgot my phone! the "name your price" tool. now available on your phone. get a free quote today. we're back with nome traf very. the author of a new book. "the escape artist." i want to talk to you a little bit about talks about legacy for president obama. you write this. there's a point just after the 2008 election geithner says your signature accomplishment is going to be that you prevented another great depression. basically the president says, yeah, that's not going to cut it. like that is not enough. you write this, that's not enough for me said the president elect. if you don't do that. yeah, the president elect repeated, but that's not enough. why was it not enough and what were the implications of that conversation do you think? >> well, i think you have to understand it from obama's perspective. this was a guy who has been running for the president when the financial kras sis hit for a year and a half. endless primary with hillary clinton. there were policy ideas that motivated that run for president. health care was probably chief among them. climate change, cap trade another one. he didn't feel like he should then have to devote his presidency to this problem that someone else created. he certainly took the problem seriously. he wanted to fix the problem, but he didn't feel like he should have to completely rejigger his presidency going in a completely different direction. i think his solution was there are these group of people who have dealt with these crises in the past. larry summers, tim geithner. they know what they're doing. if i hire these really smart, experienced people, that will free me up. it wasn't that he was going to ignore the crisis, but it will free up the band width to deal with these other big things. >> noam, you are critical on another track about how they dealt with the banks. nothing hurts obama more than the sense that everything that's been done to save the economy since 2008 benefitted the same institutions people think broke the economy. what was the story of how they ultimately reacted to the banks and how vulnerable do you think he will be on that front in 2012? >> yeah, it's a huge problem. it remains a big problem. they have this doctrine of overwhelming force, you know? you face a crisis, you've got to overwhelmingly respond to it because far better to spend a little too much money and to fix it than spend a little money and not fix it. they followed that doctrine to a tee with the banks. 700 billion in t.a.r.p. money, trillions in other guarantees and back stopping with the fed. they did not do that with the economy. they're paying the price. they left no money on the table to fix the banks. they can also see that when unemployment hovers between 9%, 10% for 2.5 years, he undershot a bit. i think that fact which is very clear to voters continues to dog him. >> we'll look at that as we go into the election. it's nice to have you. we have "end point" coming up next with our panel. stay with us. last day of february which means it is the last day of black history month. my "end point" starts with this book. it's called "inspiration." it is the story of profiles of black women changing our world. that's the second title there. i'll read you some highlights. misty cope land who's a dancer with the american ballet theater. she thought ballet was uptight when she first started dancing. her teacher said she constantly got praise and confidence. now she's wildly successful. venus williams, first black female tennis player attributes her success to having a supportive

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