analyzed and restored in the power of delhi reserving memories and helping to write new ones i'm caitlin polantz at the federal courthouse in washington, and this is cnn welcome back to cns special coverage. i'm wolf blitzer in washington, along with erin burnett, qizan, new york last sauer donald trump spoke over at trump tower in new york, rayleigh against the historic guilty verdict in his criminal hush money trial, and wearing i just want to point out this was at trump tower. you would have covered trump for many, many years. we used to go over there to trump tower to interview them. he obviously feels pretty comfortable over there. >> obviously, wolffian you he spent the night there. interestingly, we understand his wife, melania, was there as well she did not appear with him today as of course, she didn't any de in the courtroom were looking at live pictures outside wolf of the people who gathered as you pointed out, this was marked to be a news conference, which it was not it was about 35 minutes or so of trump speaking? >> no questions from reporters. a very disjointed good presentation of reliving the trial hit, slamming the judge, slamming the district attorney an extremely disjointed and angry. i know wolf one line that stood out so much to you and me he was a he said this is now a fascist country yeah, it was really a brutal, i hated that line, knowing is especially around this time of the year when we respect the united states of america. >> and he tells the world or the whole world is watching right now. he says, we're living in a fascist state. that's a direct quote from the former president of the united states, because he is not happy with the guilty verdict that he received. >> yeah you use the word a few moments ago, wolfe, i think that stood out to so many when you said it was a noxious thing. >> i mean, the power of that word i and this point is you'd have memorial day, july 4. >> what it means for so many in this country is wolf and i are here. i just want to bring my panel back into this conversation. and john, to this point that wolf said, and the kind of emotional reaction that wolf has to this is a fascist state amidst everything that trump said in that disjointed 30 five-minute long verbal screed that line stood out. >> look, it is a line that he has used as a line that his supporters use almost every time they go on tv. now, members of congress, marco rubio, a senator who ran against donald trump in 2016, has been all over tv the last few days saying this reminds him of cuba in the show trials they had in cuba war people were then killed afterwards. so that's the level of rhetoric that's been reached here in this is the way don't trump has always communicated in a way where it's not so much about down you officer level oratory. he's trying to connect with people on an emotional level in stir those emotions but there does have to be something you can follow in order to get emotional. and i'm just not sure he hit that marked it as i mean, it crosses the line. >> i think that that's the point a wolf is making here. donald trump junior, the trump's, trump's son, called the united states a whole country, basically saying that this was because of a verdict that they don't like i mean, you may not like the charges. there are plenty of people who didn't like these charges that plenty of people who thought this was a weak case, but there was a process among them, the white house, to make a point thereby partisan. >> there was a process that played out here and a jury of 12 regular people who sat there who listened to the evidence for 77 weeks, basically they came to a verdict and donald trump, frankly, was handled with kid gloves during proceedings where he tried to mock the court. any other defendant would have been held in contempt. he was not. why? because he's a former president of the united that's what i will say. and because he's a canada respecting the process is now the dividing line inside the republican party. because when larry hogan, the republican senate nominee in maryland, one of the best chances republicans have of retaking the senate came out and said, look whether or not you liked the verdict simply respect the process here. donald trump's supporters went nuts byron donalds on our air this morning, attack larry hogan say no, he can't say that. that's ridiculous. >> oh, and what would they say, jennifer next week, hunter biden's case started. so if that jury comes to a guilty conclusion, i guess that's gonna be okay. i mean, that's the reality. this is people saying that sims corrupt and broken when they lose. >> yeah, they don't seem to have a good answer for that. they owe will hundred biden's cases so overwhelming that anyone would have to bring it will donald trump's white now so his doj was not going to bring any cases against donald trump or any of the people around him. so the hunter biden case does show you whether you agree with the case or not that biden is not interfering with what the department of justice's do. >> trump's doj did not bring a case against hunter biden. they investigated these charges. they didn't bring them against him either. i mean, i was to ask tim scott about that as well last night and to your point, aaron, no answer from these potential vice presidential candidates about what they're describing. i mean, tim scott last night grabbed it as the justice system hunting republicans. it's really extraordinary language. and i think particularly for someone who held the office of president of the united states to be endorsing this kind of language. a pod. a second run for that same office it crosses a line and the word hunting, of course, the violence that it evokes, whatever will weigh in here though, and say, is this someone who covers legal affairs as i was in that courtroom with trump won de, many of us have been in there. >> i got i got the message, right. nobody is above the law. this is a man he used to be in the oval office now he's in a courtroom who's ambiance was slightly above the average dmv like i get it, no one i liked that is accurate as nothing at this courtroom i've ever been in but the fact is that alvin bragg has an elected da. he was under enormous political pressure to bring this case. it doesn't mean that the case wasn't meritorious, but i do continue to wonder, what does this mean? 12345 years down the line, if there is a district attorney in texas or in alabama where does this go? it's not the takeaway from this entire case, but it is something that i think could potentially be weaponized. and then they'll look back and we have live pictures or to pull them up again because i was looking at some of those hats on outside trump tower right now or trump just finished? this is the crowd. they've got their 45 and 47 to signal that he was the 45th president. and a hope will be the 47th president it it's interesting to think about this john just in the context of where it is. look, i just fifth avenue, midtown manhattan across the street are right up the block from cardiac. i'd love to know if this is 20 people are 200 though. >> it's hard to tell from this kalman, view because this is on fifth avenue, is like the crowd that attracts me very much j. well. okay. >> it could be jammed up against the building. and so that cars can still go down to your happening, which i presume they can, although we'll see if our photo journalist there can give us a little bit more information. >> there's one of the things that actually has been interesting about this case so far in the six weeks in all of you were down there at different points was there was huge mops. know on either side of demonstrators, on either side here this went on, it happened, it was new york parker was another thing and to an extent it that's what it feels like a little bit today, although there does appear to be nice music on this glorious day on, on fifth avenue, great shopping. >> and obviously a lot of, a lot of reporters yes he didn't see that. >> and abby, that was a room full of reporters immediate because they were supposed to be able to ask questions. that's how he got the audience he got, yeah yeah. i mean, luck, it wouldn't be the first time that it's been a bait and switch on a situation like this, and i have to wonder if maybe the trump realize once they decided to take those teleprompter is out of the way. he said what he needs to say. there's really not a whole lot else he wants to get across. i will say last night, i thought there was an attempt to add a message that was the calibrated correctly, which is to say, you know what the voters will have their say on november 5. and i think that that is actually true that this verdict is what it is. but at the end of the day, it's still going to be up for the voters to decide how much this matter, if it matters at all. and they could very well-designed to put donald trump in the white house. and that is also going going to be something that this country left or right has to access. >> so to jeffrey, can i ask you a question on this and i this is very significant because this is the only case you're gonna get a verdict in a january search, georgia mar-a-lago before the election. and now you've got a verdict. got to go through an appeals process i understand the standard appeals process would get you through the would not happen until after the action. is there any way given the situation that they could push it faster? >> no. no, they will you need a couple of months to sentencing and then the appeals process starts. there's briefing, there's no way no ordinary circumstances because of what it is that no. >> i mean, the wheels process just takes time. there's no way that they would move it. the only time you expedite an appeal as if it's something like something is coming up. you have a trial coming up, you need a ruling on an alaska everything are some an election is an example well, but not but it doesn't have to do with the election if it was a lawsuit about his appearing on the ballot, right. then that would be something that would move, but not this. there has been some talk. i mean, i don't i'll defer to the lawyers and legal experts about those supreme court's stepping in suddenly and helping him out in this case. i don't know how real that is, but it seems like the trump allies want to put all available options on the table to basically vacate this verdict at paul, i want to give you a chance to respond on the supreme court. these are just more live pictures. i will point out to john, to your point you can see the barricades. they're staying within them and cars are moving on the side. >> so in other words, it's not like it close fifth avenue. >> i'm just saying these are people actually demonstrating against donald trump, right? all right. but it is all very contained as far as i can tell you've got two groups. >> i would presume they're separated by the barricade. yes. but but these are the again, i'm can't tell the exact numbers so if someone can give us a sense of numbers and i do still see media within the groups. >> i did wonder whether or not trump would come outside at one point if there was a crowd of supporters there and shake hands because that's a picture that he could make. it was the same way i wondered if melania trump would come with him to this news conference because that would be a picture he can make would have been an enormous moment. well, down the escalator together, right? or something like that. but those are not the news it's moments he chose to make today now. >> and again, i i wonder if i'm talking to brian and the control room, if our photojournalists there do have a sense of the numbers of people or the numbers of the kind of anti or pro-trump yeah, it doesn't it does not look huge. no, it looks it looks small and you see and you see cars going by. and that is an that is he's obviously you've got fifth avenue there. so paul, at the point though that abby was making about the supreme court and whether because of the situation that because some kind of an emergency appeal or something of that nature, is there any avenue? >> it was a great question based on my conversations with the legal team as of now, that is not something that's under consideration, but they're gonna be strategy meetings so for the next few days, who knows what kind of creative options they'll come up with. but remember there is currently a significant trump-related cases pending before the supreme court this is the question of presidential immunity and whether he should be shielded from his federal january 6 case because he had immunity hey, guys, lost this argument all the way to the supreme court so far. but based on what we heard, an oral argument, there is widely an expectation that they might find some wiggle room there, some immunity or at least request additional proceedings and that they'll toss it back down and it'll have to go all the way up. now if they see any possibility in what the supreme court says that could apply to this case. certainly, i think they would try to relitigate that. but at this zero point, the only relief that they're seeking right now from the supreme court is on that january 6 case, and that's gonna be one of the biggest decisions they make over the next few weeks. >> all right. we continue here together. let's send it back down to you wolf. >> all right, thanks very much. i'm david chaldean you're looking very, very closely in europe political director at the poll numbers, right now, as he still teflon done after these convictions, but we don't know because we'll see we don't have pulled numbers yet since the conviction came out last night that our despite what you may have heard, donald trump touting, we don't reputable poll numbers that are actually assessing the post-conviction landscape in this race. but and i am super dubious about the poll questions that were asked in advance of the conviction because asking somebody about a hypothetical scenario in a court case and then how that may impact your vote. several months. it's just a very tough question to get a handle on on how people will be impacted by it. nia and i were just talking while our colleagues up in new york or chatting away about how an event like this certainly galvanizes the base of both parties. we know that donald trump is a motivating factor for folks on the left. there's no doubt about that. and so i would not be surprised to see an uptick of donations on the left as well. maybe not to the extent that we're seeing the trump campaign and there's no doubt that donald trump is a motivating factor for the right. and we have talked at length over the last nine years about i've never seen a politician who has a relationship with his base of support, the way that donald trump has a relationship with his base of support. and we sought over the four indictments last year and i have little doubt that this will energize the right as well. the question here of course, is when you're dealing with six or seven battleground states and election that may come down to 50,000 people. are there votes in the middle? from an electorate that doesn't like their options that can be swayed either way because of this when it has been listed as a low level issue of importance for voters compared to other things it's just something i don't think we have the answer to. you know, it's interesting. on july 11th, judge merchan is going to sentence trump for these 34 felony counts that he's been convicted of it a week or so later is the republican national convention. do you have any doubt that he will still be officially named the republican presidential nominee? >> i have no reason to believe he wouldn't be. the only reason would be is if he bowed out of the race and i don't see that happening at all. he is going to be the republican nominee for president and by the way, constitutionally, he can be, he can be president as a convicted felon and serve in that capacity. so this is not something that is going to rent, which is why the one area of agreement that we've gotten from what the biden campaign, the trump camp since the verdict came out, is that if you want to resolve donald trump? status politically in this country, it is not going to be resolved by a jury. it is going to be resolved by the vote. i've always thought it was interesting if you're convicted felon, you could run for president. >> you can serve as president, but in some states you might not necessarily be able to vote for yourself, for president, apparently in florida, the way the law is he would probably still be able to vote for you. >> i think, you know, to david's point about how this will impact what people want to do in the ballot box. >> there is a question of people's comfort level in voting for a convicted felon, right? it has never happened people who voted in 2020 might have some thoughts about whether or not they want to support somebody who is a convicted felon whether or not they think this is a case that should have been brought where they're not the appeal stands wherever it stands, but that is going to be a factor. and if you you think about the voters that have sort of bad feelings about donald trump that this underscores it, right? that he's a convicted felon that this was a case that was brought because he had an affair with a porn star while his wife was becoming a mom. those kinds of things decency, of donald trump. the lack of character when it comes down on those are the things that resonate with suburban women voters with the nikki haley voters? and with the trump to biden voters. i know we kind of talk about, oh, it's really going to energize the ride and they're going to raise a bunch of money off of it. but i definitely think it's going to do the same to the left as well. >> spotlight, excuse me, a big spotlight now. and who the vice presidential pick will be we were learning, i think that he would announce who he would have as his running mate, if not during the convention in the area directly around the convention now that the convention will take place after the sentencing, i'd be curious to see what your thoughts are. all of you on the vip stakes because we've seen the barometer and the litmus test now of the loyalty test of showing up in the courthouse during the actual trial, the list seems to have gotten smaller and smaller based on who arrived, who was outside as well. bell and now you've got that added benefit or added notion of if this person who will be the nominee, who will all but have the confetti fall on him. >> then what is the choice about who is vp running mate sake signaled to people? >> will it try to counter the things you suggested nia about the perception? will it be somebody who could serve in the interim if he were to win and have the inauguration or would be someone totally different. >> now, i mean, i think you're already seeing the viral mistakes play out live on honestly, someone that's been playing out right here on our air at cnn. i've talked to doug burgum this morning. i asked does any of this gives you pause about serving as vice president? he was like no, it doesn't and i think that that question is asked and answered. i think they're probably watching to see who among them is the most aggressive attack dog on donald trump's behalf on this. i mean that loyalty, loyalty tests really been part of it. and i mean to kind of get it what your other were deepen hypothetical territory if we're talking about the vice president in the event of a trump election, having some sort of authority. but but it strikes me that he has always not wanted someone who is threatening to him in that role in any way. and that that has always been a calculation, a willingness to play. second fiddle, always to donald trump that doesn't seem to be changing but briefly it will if, if we could go back this conversation we were having, i think it's important to look at liz cheney, for example, has been silent so far about what we have heard on the politics of this trial. i think it is telling it speaks to i mean, those nikki haley voters who shore have many reasons to have all these issues and have now been reminded of all of the character flaws that donald trump pass. i think that there is a sense from those who have experienced the backlash of the trump base and the depth of their support for him the impact that this particular trial could have in a way that is different from things that are more fundamental to our democracy in our country, like the january 6 case. and i do think that there is a little bit of a warning sign to be found in there. and i think honestly the biden didn't campaign's response to this underscores that. i mean, it has been very restrained. know, partly it's been restrained because they, you know, you have donald trump out here saying you see is the biden trial that this was all a biden and his team pulling the strings so they come out and sort of dance a j. over this. i think that feeds in to the trump's rhetoric around this. i think that's why they're there. >> they touched a little bit of that when they put robert de niro out there before this verdict came, and in some ways, to some people that's backfiring wasn't necessarily seen by people like david axelrod is a good move. trump claimed in his remarks that the biden and his people are responsible for everything that's been going on against it. but then he added, it's probably not biden because he's not qualified to even think along those lines. he went after biden directly in his comments, i want to get at to the whole issue of sentencing, but let's take a quick break. much more of our special coverage coming up right after this in one of the most active tornado seasons you can't control a tornado what kinds of interventions can we design go inside the store near a violent earth with liev schreiber, 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land they are separate from each other, but let me tell you, it has really devolved out here and do a circus-like atmosphere and just moments ago while we were in commercial break saw topic motorcade go by with a fake donald trump waving in the back. >> we saw some giant trucks on those giant wheels lifted that had trump and all this ablaze trump stuff on the side of it behind me on my left side is an entire group of protesters who or anti-trump. they have signs that say guilty see that same user that safe dawn, the felon at one point, someone had a sign that said, we don't want a felon in the white house now on the other side of me to the right, which you can't see hey directly in front of trump tower is the pro-trump group. there are waving flags up. truly bigger than i've ever seen. let's say trump 2024 waving and back-and-forth. they were shouting as the people were driving by. again, kind of a circus-like atmosphere here, completely different from what we saw before. we went into his remarks. i do want to stress how the shows just how diverse of this trial is. this is not just a normal trial because this is a man who is currently running for president. we talked a lot about the fact that this is the first man who has been convicted are tuesday is the first former president who has been convicted of these kinds of charges, but he's also still running for president, not only that he seems to have the full support of the republican party, we've heard person after person, lawmaker allied all circling the wagons around the former president. even people like senator mitch mcconnell, you have a very icy release we shouldn't ship with donald trump saying that this case should have never been brought. this case has now become part of donald trump's political campaign for the time being. he is going to try to capitalize on this as much as he can financially as well as politically obviously, there are no answers as to what exactly this means. hub november, how exactly this impacts voters. we can do tons of polling and we'll do tons of holy. but how this actually plays out we are in uncharted territory and everyone on both sides of the aisle knows that christian asked you what your sources are saying. i know you were there, right. and you were told that this was a news conference, but the expectation that there would likely be report or questions. i mean, that would be the definition of a news conference that as you had pointed out, you don't know with trump. all but we had also anticipated that he would speak for about an hour before those questions even happen. he went 35 minutes, he didn't take questions. obviously, it was disjointed. he did appear very tired what are you learning about? i don't know the reception inside the campaign. are those closest about how all of this went down well, just now inside of trumped army, just keep in mind there's a reason it was rambling they had a teleprompter setup, that then they took down before he came out, meaning that he was completely speaking off the cuff, was holding a note card that was about this big and i can tell you right now, it only had a few things on it so certainly not enough to fill up the 30, five minutes that he was actually speaking. >> he went back and forth keep in mind, this is still under a gag order. any called a witness? sure. he didn't name them, but it's pretty clearly he's talking about a sleazebags rip the last time he violated the gag order, a judge that he would consider jail as one of the punishments, yet he went on beyond calling him a sleazebags to talk about the case and directly how it related to michael cohen. now, the the reception inside of the campaign has been the same. they right now are going to campaign in off of the fact that he is a convicted felon. and we have seen that he has sent out fundraising emails that have said that he is a political prisoner to some extent, erin, at least so among his base, it is working. i am told that he got calls from allies, from lawmakers from donors, people that he had not actually spoken to yet, people who say that they were on the fence let's before this. now, they say they're coming out to support donald trump now whether or not, again that is true, we've means to be seen all of this is going to play out in the next several months. and particularly clearly in november, when those voters had to the ballot box. >> all right. kristen, thank you very much. an interesting, such interesting detail at the teleprompter is taken down just that one little note card with a few leinz on it, wolf, i mean, just to give a sense of how unexpected that moment was when he decided to go into that 30 five-minute long disjointed speech there were also jumped out at me. >> i know to you as well, aaron is a refused to take any questions from reporters to what the white house now, excuse me, where the trump campaign had billed as a news conference, it wasn't a news conference. it was a state given her a speech that he delivered erin. thank you. the presidential race is clearly now entering a new more volatile phase. now that the presumptive republican nominee is a convicted felon, 34 times, joining us now republican senator from ohio, jd vance. his name has come up as a potential trump running mate senator events thanks so much for joining us. are you interested in being there running mate of a convicted felon well, will the entire purpose of this trial was to allow the media and the democrats to say exactly that this is never about justice, this is about plastering convicted felon all over the airwaves when in reality the only thing that donald trump is guilty of as being in the courtroom of a political sham trial, approved by the trevor from acknowledged that right. >> look, wolf, the trump lawyers approval of the 12 men and women, the six alternates in the jury, mike complaint is not with the jury. wulf my complaint is with the judge with the jury free instructions that were clearly reversible with the fact that the judge had donated to a to the biden campaign, which which should force a recusal under the new york rules for the judge, the fact that his daughter has gotten well, the author of this scene, dollars in 2020 and the campus stopped to explicitly stopped donald trump, please let me answer the question. this judge committed multiple elements of reversible error and he did it while his daughter has made a ton of money off of democratic candidates. and while he himself donated to the biden campaign be repeal the crash, you cannot say that this trial was anything more than politics, masquerading as junk let's just say, yes, i will help trump and i will help donald trump. however, i think that i can wolf because if we allow this to happen, it's so much bigger and so much more troubling the donald trump, if we allow the standard that you can throw your political opponents in jail because they're doing better than you in an election, it will be the end of this country as we know it so you don't think this was a fair trial at all? >> no wolf. i do not think it was a fair trial at all. and more importantly, again, everybody's focusing on donald trump understandably. he's understandably, but the principle that we're establishing applies across our politics were basically saying that if you don't like the outcome of the election or you don't like how an election is about to transpire, you can try to throw your opponent in jail wolf the entire predicated here. this was a trial for work. all right. >> bye by this was the trial organized by new york city, the district attorney in manhattan after the number three person in that biden department of justice joined that prosecutor's office and then goes after biden's political opponent. that's absolutely as connected. joe biden wolf, beyond that, you had robert de niro showing up at a biden campaign rally on the day of jury instructions. this is politics trump with what he just said because this jumped out at me. i thought it was obnoxious, when he said we're living in a fascist state is the united states a fascist state well, if i served in iraq and the united states were in quiet, multiple family 20 when trump, sayyed am outraged at this entire proceeding or not. trump's criticism of trump is calling the united states of america the greatest country in the world, a fascist state. >> are you okay with that after the president of the united states, our of the courts in his, his power that we have in a fast roll, his opponents in jail. >> i think this is disgraceful. i don't care what you call it was graceful what you're saying. i think this proceeding, this legal proceeding is disgraceful, but what about tried dolan are country a fascist tried to throw him in prison? for a paperwork violation. >> wolf, by his peers after the judge or the judge gave those jury biased instructions. >> after that, judge donated to donald trump's political opponent. of course, he's gonna be frustrated and he has every right to be. i don't care what you call this, but this is not the america that i know and love. >> why are we? talking about inflation wolf? why don't we talking about biden's wide-open southern border, this higher trials was cooked up to distract from joe biden's failure with all due respect, we're talking about this because this is the first president or former president in american history to be convicted of felonies so let's talk about precedence. he's convicted of a literal paperwork violation. that is the predicate for fat, all of them paperwork violations, rule a single single paperwork violation. and they drew 34 felonies that should really bother you, whether you're a democrat or republican now let's talk about precedents six years ago, hillary clinton played out paid 100 $113,000. that was misick classified as a legal expense. that's the exact same thing that donald trump is accused of. hillary clinton got a slap on the wrist and a fine from the fec donald trump has had 34 felony indictments. >> it's so obvious that this is about politics. >> wolf and i understand the questions here. >> but if we allow this to continue, we are going to wake up in a banana republic where we tried to throw people in jail instead of winning an argument on let me read to you what i want. >> i don't think it's what you who won either. let me read to you what former maryland governor and currently republican senate candidate larry hogan said, going into all of this, he said he appealed to the public for calm, asked americans and i'm quoting him now to respect the verdict and legal process and to not poor fuel on the fire with more toxic partisanship this was met by a response from a senior trump campaign official who just said to larry hogan, you just ended your campaign. >> you okay with that? >> i'm okay with the fact that we need criticize and call this ridiculous legal proceeding out. larry hogan's trying to win a senate race in blue the seed obviously i disagree with larry hogan, the problem is not criticizing the sham prosecution. the problem is the sham prosecution itself when we need leadership to call it out it sounds to me like you're totally, totally in supporting a trump right now. and everything that he's done, all of the accusations that have been leveled against them. well, if i'm absolutely supporting trump because i think he will make american the american people's lives better. but again, this is so much bigger to me then donald trump, i woke up heartbroken for our country because the precedent set is that if you don't like somebody's politics, you should use the american system of law and order to try and destroy them. well, that's 250 years of legal traditions the biden folks are tearing it up to win an election. wolf, that is what really bothers me what happened to the republican party being the party of law and order? >> we are the party of law and order, but you can't have this order judges in convicted 34 times law and ordered violating law, law and order is not having a judge who donates to the political opposition of donald trump. >> and then tries to throw donald trump a jail that's the opposite of law. >> dollars donation of $15 donation combined with he said that he wanted to fight donald trump. his daughter has made almost hundred million dollars fund raising for democrats wolf every single thing about this points to the fact that this was a political sham prosecution. >> now, it's again, it's not just the judge's financial interests, his commitment to democrats, multiple reversible error is why didn't they change the venue? >> why didn't the judge give accurate jury instructions? why didn't they charged him with something more than a paperwork violation? the entire argument of this case is that donald trump should go to prison because an employee of his filled out paperwork wrong way. >> this is it's graceful believed that his employees with his knowledge, we're trying to cover up an affair with stormy daniels in order this is just a few weeks before the election. >> i believe that donald trump did nothing wrong. but if you take alvin bragg's argument do you take every single thing in that indictment at face value, what it suggests is donald trump committed paperwork violation, is that 34 felony counts, not in the country that i want to live in, not in the united states. so he married i know and we don't want to live in the united states. i don't want to live in a new york sham prosecution. i would not live in new york state right now. absolutely. i wouldn't wolf because what new york has showed and what frankly the biden administration has showed is that if you don't do exactly what they want you to do in politics, they will try to use our system bipartisan system of law and order to throw you in prison. it's so disgraceful and i think every american, whatever their party should be worried about at this, how worried are you that there could be violence emerging from all of this by trump's supporters or not at all, donald trump's supporters are not violent people. you live in a country of 30,330 million people. of course, some people are gonna do some bad things but if we want to get back at the new york sham prosecution, my message to every trump supporter is go to donald j. trump.com volunteer support them and vote in november, the only language that these people speaker's power. we've got to win the presidency wolf and say this country where trump's supporters involved in the january 6 violence at the us capitol. well, if a few people were violence certainly, but i don't think the majority one of donald trump's supporters or violet, because you had a few people get violent on january sticks. >> so your message to trump supporters in the aftermath of these convictions is what my message is. >> don't get angry, don't get depressed get even get involved. and let's win this election because that's the only way to actually fix this country and to save it for the american people. and you want to be his running mate wolfe. >> i want to help donald trump, however, i can and he's got a lot of people we can choose from and he's going to make that decision. but i want to be helpful because i want to save this country, this precedent is going to destroy the country that i love if we let it stand. and really our only way to push back against it is to vote for trump in november. but you don't believe we live in a fascist state? >> well, if i think that what happened in graceful wolfe, i think that what happened in new york, if you apply to across all 50 states? it would be the definition of fascism, throwing your political opponents in jail. thank god. it only happened in new york and not the rest of the country. senator nice of you to come in. >> thanks for next, which appreciate, appreciate it, and i will continue this conversation down the road. stay with us. former president trump by just left trump tower, much more of our 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house right now. so priscilla what are the campaign say? >> well, we're just getting this statement, wolf and it says the following. this from communications director michael tyler, quote, america just witnessed a confused desperate, and defeated donald trump ramble about his own personal grievances and lie about the american justice system i'm leaving anyone watching with one obvious conclusion. this man cannot be president of the united states. it goes on to say, on hinged by his 2020 election laws and spiralling from his criminal convictions trump is consumed by his own thirst for revenge. and retribution, goes on to say that they will continue fighting against trump. now this is a pretty scathing statement from the biden campaign, which has been leading the charge in response i want to the verdict that was yesterday. now, the biden campaign does not bank on this conviction really changing the calculus of the alliance section entirely. but certainly they are making clear their sentiment on the matter and trying to fire up their own base by also asking for those grassroots donations. now the white house for its part has been reluctant to weigh in. in fact, they'd been quite brief with the white house council spokesperson only saying what we respect the rule of law and have no additional comment president biden has really not been in the public eye. he's just now getting back to the white house. he yesterday was in delaware commemorating the ninth anniversary of the death his son, beau, but we will see him this afternoon to a could be an opportunity for reporters to ask them a question and for him to publicly weigh in on this. >> well, or when we see him, i'm told that the president is also planning on delivering a major speech on the middle east, specifically the war between israel and hamas in gaza. what do we expect on that front? this could be very, very significant it absolutely could in the white house has been quite vague in saying what this is about by only saying that he'll address the situation in the middle east. but of course, this is against the backdrop of the hostage talks. and also what we are seeing in rafah as israel moves, its forces further into central gaza. now on those hostage hostage talks earlier in the week israel had presented mediators with new ideas, but we don't know what those ideas were, at least it's very unclear and this is significant because the indirect talks between is israel and hamas have been on pause for the last three weeks. this of course being a key priority for the us and then not to mention to rafah, where the president has said he has a red line, but the white house has said it hasn't been breached yet. so all of this coming together in this address happening later this afternoon. well, we'll watch it very closely and have live coverage. >> clearly, a very important statement coming from the president united states persil alvarez. thanks very much for that update and we'll be right back. >> 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point, the united states as a fascist state. >> moments later jd vance is senator who is among the contenders for the vice presidential role on the trump ticket, came on set and sat down with wolf blitzer. wolf asked him whether he thinks the american, america is a fascist state. let me play part of the exchange for you he 21 when trump sodium outraged at this entire proceeding or not, trump's criticism of trump is calling the united states of america the greatest country in the world, a fascist state. >> are you okay with that after the president of the united states, or you our of the courts and his, his power that we roll his opponents in jail. >> i think this is disgraceful. i don't care what you call the wolf gracefully, what you're saying. i think this proceeding, this legal proceeding is disgraceful, but what about tried don't blender country, a fascist tried to throw him in prison for a paperwork in violation wolf and it continued. wolf came back to it. abby, an incredible moment because i think first of all, for all of us, you see wolf blitzer and how strongly he feels about the statement and jd vance sitting there or unwilling to say that the united states of america is not a fascist country yeah, i mean, look that good on wolf for pressing on that because the reality is, is that if you can be outraged about the charges being brought, you can also be outraged about trump taking it too far. >> i mean, one of the issues here, i totally believe that it is reasonable and on the table to question whether these charges should have been brought in the first place. that's not out of bounds, but the issue here is that now there's a process for them to appeal. there's a process for them to bring all of their complaints to another panel of judges that is how this country is supposed to work. this is a state court charge. the idea that somehow there's this grand conspiracy in which democrats control all, they control the state's they control all the judge's up and down from federal court all the way down to state and local court is nonsense. it is complete nonsense that is not how the system works. and trump will have his day in court to appeal all of this. and for that reason, and it's not a fascist country. >> jd vance it's though that hillbilly elegy made him famous for what do you notice when he caught me? >> it is amazing to see the evolution of somebody like jd vance and many others as they are now focused on one thing and one thing only, which is remaining in the good graces of trump and possibly becoming a vp. >> jd vance is running for vice president and you saw it right here. he wouldn't allow an inch a scintilla of daylight between what he was going to say to woolf and what donald trump said short time ago. i mean, donald trump called it a fascist country. jd vance, even if he disagreed with and i have to say he looked uncomfortable wolff was press conference and may have been that he doesn't like the idea of trump calling in a fascist country, but he can't come, bring himself to say it on tv because he knows he believes it will hurt his chances. he said some things that were factually incorrect there. he said president biden is throwing his political opponents june pretty much nothing to do with this case. it's not a federal case. the federal government passed on this case or a version of this cancer justice department did. and i just final him. you say when wolf blitzer he's a child of holocaust survivors. when he's talking about fascist countries, he knows what he's talking about. >> he does when he says is the greatest country in the world that's something you would think jd vance would agree with? yeah. and in a sense, shocking that he didn't also just add this complete and lack lack of respect in any way, shape, or form for the legal process that is playing out. that's exactly the issue. and i think going forward, we have to, as a country, think about how we restore trust in the justice department because really since 2015, the investigation, hillary clinton's use of private emails server, there has been such a toxicity infused into the judicial process, into investigations, both state and federal high-profile political investigations into trump intervals hillary clinton into a hunter biden, into the president united states right now, joe biden, but it has brought id so much partisanship. and i'm worried that people are going to not trust the system that i cover every day and i tell you that largely, you can trust it, but if it turns we political weapon that is a terrible thing for this, it does raise the question and i don't want to get to st big. i know it a few seconds left, but why do we have politically elected das making the decision on prosecutions? i mean, there are some fair questions to ask. >> yeah. >> because they're independent. that's why i mean, you know, you have an elected de who if he does things that are not okay, he's obviously responsible to the voters, but 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