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office is looking to bring some justice and hold trump accountable for attempting to overthrow the 2020 election by making the insurrection the key focus of their federal criminal case against him. politically, i think, and i don't think i'm seeing anything profound here, that is not great for trump. remember, january 6th was both the lowest point of his presidency and substantively and more old terms and also politically in terms of political popular opinion. it looks like voters will be reminded of that dark moment in american history in the lead up to next year's election. right now it is not exactly front of mind for voters. in fact, donald trump in general is not front of mind for voters. his strategy, whether intentional or not, he has sort of backed into it since he left office, has been to kind of silo i'm selves off in a maga bubble. the people around donald trump understand that he is unpopular, that the more voters see of him the less they like him. he's no longer on twitter or x, or whatever it is called these days, instead he preaches to the choir on his own social media platform. he is increasingly unhinged at rallies. not just unhinged, he seems confused. he warned about a starting world war ii. those are really only carried live by the most die hard maga networks, so a lot of people aren't seeing those. he skipped last night's republican primary debate, like he skipped the two before. in that time trump has only increased his lead over the republican primary field, without ever showing up. so why would he show up? republican primary voters want trump and they are keyed into his closed of media ecosystem. i don't think the same could be said for the average american voter, though. the news cycle his crowded trump out of it, particularly in the wake of a war in the middle east. but in the background, day by day, we are heading towards what we will be one of the most consequential trials in american history, and the biggest political event in the century. donald trump's role in the attempted coup. to that and, today, we have new reporting that gives us an idea of how donald trump might face justice for the most egregious of his crimes. according to a new court filing, smith's prosecutors are looking to make the case that trump's various criminal conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election, quote, culminated and converged when, on january 6th, the defendant attempted to obstruct and prevent congressional rtication at the capitol. as my next guest reports, smith's officeis effectively casting, quote, casting trump as one of the 1200 plus riot defendants who have already been charged. in other words, when trump goes to trial next year, he will be treated the same as the hundreds of rioters who stormed the capitol, assaulting police officers and trying to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. smith's seen team seeks to highlight the actions of the to the jury through testimony, photographing, geolocation evidence, establishing that many of the defendants supporters responded insurrection on january 6th. that's right. testimony. so smith's team is apparently planning on having some general six insurrectionists testify against trump at trial to make the case that, yes, it was that guy, obviously, the ex president, the one whose name was emblazoned on our hats and on our science and our gear who told us to go to capital, remember that? guy the guy who is there sitting at the defendants table in the trial? that guy is the one responsible for the riot. that's the guy who convinced me, us, to storm the capitol through his words and actions. so next year, one on trump goes to trial, just one day before super tuesday primary, jack smith gets his way, jurors, by extension, voters, will not only be reminded of the lengths donald trump will go to in order to an american democracy, they will be told that he is no different. the hundreds of people already found guilty for their role in his attempted coup. kyle cheney's is senior legal affairs reporter for politico, reporting on jack smith's court filing, and he joins me now. kyle, just this is all working off the filing from the special prosecutor's office. what is the filing? why didn't have to be filed? and what does it say? >> to everything you just said, donald trump is basically arguing, jack smith,'s team, they shouldn't even mentioned the riot at the trial, in their filings. it's in the indictment kind of glancingly. we should strike that out of the indictment because i'm not charge plunged with the violence that occurred in the capital. a reasonable argument that maybe jack smith wasn't going to feature that at the trial, but jackson with made the opening statement where he will reference the violence we weren't sure what was gonna happen with that in the course of these proceedings. jack smith did tip is. and he said not only are we going to mention the violence at trial, we are going to focus on. it we will make it a feature of the trial. we will show how it occurred there, the danger, the threat to democracy, the violence, the attacks on police, were inspired by, stopped by, and allowed to occur by donald trump himself. >> so it's filings back and forth about what can and cannot be addressed in court, right? and i want to read from your piece here. the description of the case he plans lay out was a response mp's demand the mr. chutkan strike references to the riot from the indictment. arguing the charges against him are not related to the riot and references to the attack were inflammatory surplus. this is the first time when we have an uninformative argument made in a court filing by smith's office this is, yes, what happened on that day, the violence of that day, the people that were there on that day, those are intimate parts of the case we are going to bring against the defendant. >> right. this is not just some ancillary part of the story. this is the story. this is donald trump using, not only stoking the riot inflaming it further by attacking mike pence while the violence was going on, he used it to try to continue to obstruct the january six section of congress. he knew what was going on. he didn't intervene. and then he actually use that time to try to call members of congress to continue to try to delay the certification of biden's victory. >> one of the things, i mean, when we were getting reporting from jack smith working on this indictment, whether he would be charged with incitement or insurrection or one of those, he ultimately wasn't under those. but the conspiracy to obstruct a proceeding, which hundreds, a folks who either pleaded or been convicted of, you can't separate that crime from what happened on that day. >> right. little trump is charged with 15 12 seat, a stretch of code of obstruction in an official proceeding, hundreds of january six rioters are charged with the same crime. what chance with the saying that the charge for the same reason. everything about the riot is central to that charge, whether against on trump or against a guy who tried to breakthrough the police lines that day. it was sort of with the same goal in mind, and though they are not coconspirators linked to the crime together, they essentially were operating in parallel. >> this filing comes as an interesting thing developing, where judge chutkan his kept things on the schedule for that march trial date. she has given some latitude to trump in filings farther emotions around different things. contestation of a protective order, some other sort of briefing this happened. but that stuff, as i understand it, now is parallel to a trial schedule that essentially remains locked in for now at least. >> yes. judge chutkan has made one thing clear, that march 4th trial, that is not moving, and it will take something extraordinary for her to move that. she said it will not yield to the election calendar, which to trump's frustration and his lawyers frustration. they keep saying we should just push everything back a little bit to have more time and she is saying, i'll give you a little time with in the window between now and march 4th, but not gonna move that ultimate date. >> all right, kyle cheney without reporting on the briefing the came for the special prosecutor's office for politico. thanks a lot. appreciated. >> thank you. >> now to a former federal prosecutor who served as senior investigative counsel to the jerry six committee. he's a justice reporter and an author of a great new book, sedition hunters, how jarry six broke the justice system. they both join me now. ryan, let me start with you, because you have covered so many of these trials and so many of these cases and a lot of them please and not trials, in which people are playing to or being convicted of climbs along the line of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. i'm curious, from that standpoint, how you understand this briefing, and what it means about tying trump together with the dozens if not hundreds of people whose cases you have reported on. >> there's a lot of opportunities for the special counsel's office to look to these other cases, these are the january six cases, and point to the suspect own evidence or the defendants own evidence about what they did was what they did. one of the stories i was referencing in kyle's great piece involving dj rodriguez actually the sort of sucked me into this whole sedition hunters world, the first story i reported out on, and he's the individual who drove a stun gun into officer mike's neck. after some legal filings we ended up getting this video, and it's really remarkable because he sort of explain to the fbi why he did when he did. to him it was obvious. the commander-in-chief was calling him and he needed help. so that's why he went. there he said trump called a. sees almost sort of like a little bit like in front of the fbi yes, trump called. us we were supposed to do this because we thought we were gonna save the country. at some point it snaps and he realizes, it talks about how don this was, they're actually going to be able to overthrow the government on their own and sort of set up this new system. but that's really what this. is it's a number of defendants who have talking about what they did what they did, which it's obvious when you have a bunch people trump hats on, storming the capital because they thought the election was stolen. but that is what the prosecutors are gonna look at and say hey, this is what they said, here's the evidence of, it listen to them say this themselves. with rodriguez, easement someone i would imagine would be willing to cooperate. he's now in prison for 12 and a half years. but the last thing he said when he went out the door to serve that next decade behind bars was, trump won. >> i want to play, actually, a bit of that exchange, that really agree rodriguez had with the fbi. let's take a look at what he had to say. >> how do you get to january six? what else happens in that period of time? >> trump promised -- >> tell me about that. >> how did he let you guys know to come to d.c.? >> if he's the commander-in-chief, the leader of our country, and he's calling for help. i thought he was calling for help. i thought he was [crying] i thought we were doing the right thing. >> you knew this case as well as anyone. you worked on the committee senior counsel. let me just talk about the legal sicknick significance, the back and forth, in the filing by jack smith's office. do you think they are likely to win this particular point in front of judge chutkan? >> yeah, i think they. i think in a legal question, i don't think it's that complicated. judge chutkan is going to throw this to the side i think what's more important is that he's introducing most of the defendants and to the judge the narrative of the case which you want the defendant to be a notice for the para defense. you don't wanna hold their hands too long because that makes the trial less equitable. but i think what is important about this filing is that the concern that i hadn't seen jack smithson done indictment in first is that there is one charge that the jan six committee recommended there wasn't a, or inciting an insurrection. when we look at the georgia case, we look at jack smith indictment, there's a lot of talk about documents and false electors, and he starts to make it sound like a purely political coup. and i think what this filing does, it shows that it was a political coup that was intentionally turned into a violent coup. the former president was at the core of that. it changes the framing. >> that's the interesting thing. let me read from smith's filing. the defendants actions advance of during and following the right demonstrate he did not act unwillingly or in good faith. information about the actions of the capital of which the defendant was well aware there for relevant approving the defendants motive and intent to his statements actions and inaction on regarding the -- >> trying this fake case in front of a jury, that if you're talking fake electors, we're talking, will they sign this document, but that document wasn't real. here's a man on when these people had a meeting. it can sound bloodless and inert. as opposed to violet and dramatic, which is what it was. >> exactly. to get to the former presidents mind, you have to, i think the imagery that will show the what we did at the healy hearings, under an 87 minute hearing that show that while the capitol was under attack the prisoner wasn't trying to stop it, wasn't trying to call people off, he was still trying to subvert the election. that kind of injury and proof of intent is gonna be powerful here. another thing about trump is that he commits crimes in the opener makes them hard to believe. but he publicly told his supporters to come there on the sixth, be there, we'll be wild. he told his supporters to go to the capitol that day. he told them that this was basically the last stand, the fight to go. a lot that is evident is out there in the open, and we don't at times want to believe it because the idea of a former president sending people to attack the capitol is disheartening. i am happy to see that check smith plans to show that to the jury. >> a lot of people have noted, including veterans of the committee on which to work, but the echoes of the case are validation of thwork of your committee, that the words and smiths filings are almost verbatim the case that committee vice chair liz cheney made the channels first hearing. ryan reilly, temidayo aganga-williams, and ryan reilly's book is out, it's a great read. coming up, the democratic most old control of the senate in 2024 takes a major hit. so what is senator joe manchin is planning, and what does it mean for the biden campaign? that's next. that's next. meet the jennifers. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. hellooo new apartment. one bank for now. for later. 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like our odds in west virginia. kind of funny, actually. instead of running for reelection, manchin says he plans to spend next year exploring, quote, if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle. he got a warm welcome into town hall for the no labels group, a third party bipartisan presidential ticket. as well as the -- nothing is off the table. jamelle bouie opinion columnist for the new york times worries written about joe manchin's lawyer political unity in our clashes with the reality of democracy. he joins me. now first there's a sort of top line reaction to this announcement in both its component parts and not running for reelection may be flirting with some sort of presidential -- >> now ready for reelection doesn't surprise me too much. i think manchin probably has the sense that he's not going to wait and reelection, even a chooses to run as an independent, the state has become so republican, so hostile to democratically elected officials. now he might run a third party presidential candidacy from the middle, seems very silly to me, for the simple reason that the middle, first the middle manchin envisions is an anti spending kind of anti deficit kind of middle, which doesn't exist in american politics in a meaningful way. and the other thing is that, like, you do actually need a party organization to get on ballots. you need these things to actually run a viable campaign. i don't see any of that materializing in a couple of months. >> part of the problem though is that no labels does have the ballot lines. they have won in arizona, in a few states. they probably have enough not to win but to play the role of spoiler, essentially, which is a big concern. manchin sort of advertise that he was going to be doing this in the summer, where he talked about extremist democrats and republicans threatening americans future. he says he is fully embracing as a centrist, because they're so many americans i believe our partisan politics are tearing the nation apart at the seams. like so many americans, i'm sick and tired of it. you wrote, in response to that, that his vision of bipartisan unity fundamentally is contradicted by the basic dynamics of american politics at this moment. how so? >> yeah, politics are about making choices, ultimately. building coalitions to make choices about the way we govern. and manchin's objection in a lot of ways seems to be that people are just making choices or making aesthetically uncomfortable with, if that makes any sense. it doesn't seem nice. the kinds of choices they are making. it doesn't seem nice that they are, that politicians are attempting to do things given the power that they have. and so to my mind, that is, why are you in politics in the first place? why are you here trying to do anything if your objection at the end of the day is just to the fact that yes, their arrival visions for how the country should be organized, and people are going to do something to realize that in a political way. he seems to want to have a generic unity and we are pursue things that we all agree on. kind of the whole deal is that we don't all agree on things and we do hash staff out in the political realm. >> there is some reporting today that steve daines, the republican senator who is running the senate embody for reelection, and tried to push trump to endorse the guy who is running on the republican line, the former -- jim justice, two titans of that state for a while, with part of the logic being it would push manchin out of the race and then he would run as president and hurt joe biden. so clearly there are a lot of people who are under the impression that they can get him to run, they can maybe run on no labels, and that would hurt joe biden. what is your starting assumption about the effects of, were there to be a kind of manchin centrist no labels presidential campaign? >> i think that in a world where donald trump is not a republican nominee, there is a decent 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anticipate that things would be as -- at least the sense of now, unequivocal politically as they have proven to be so far? yay >> no, in fact, i was nervous about the blunt force of the head on that story, which simply is that abortions win elections. of course, i understand as a voter, as a political writer, as someone who has looked at the history that they're very rarely is anything that is so unequivocal, and that hasn't really was a blunt force headline. of course, you never know actually what will happen in any given election, but here we are. there have been the seven referendum votes, in addition to supreme court votes in wisconsin, in pennsylvania, that have relied on abortion. there's been devote in ohio about whether one could vote in the referendum on tuesday. there have been all these elections, and in every case, over the past months since i published that story, and since stops, in almost every contests, abortion has one. but i have to say, that i think that the blunt force headline was necessary to get through to a democratic party that over decades has not always felt comfortable running on abortion rights, has treated it as a difficult and controversial issue rather than a very popular issue, which is one of its strengths. the blunt force head on, abortions when elections was meant to get ahead of democrats, and as he pointed out earlier, now we have all this evidence, and it's very much in the heads of democrats and republicans, and you detail some of the challenges ahead for republicans, how do day, you broke it, you bought it problem for republicans, which is that they got what they wanted, which is the overturn of roe, and now they are paying for it in the study election losses. what are they going to do? on the other side of that is the question of what democrats are going to do, because maybe the bluntness of that equation is getting through, but i think especially going into the 2024 elections, one of the things that they had to think about is, okay, abortion may win elections, but you actually had to think about why it's winning. you can't just say the word abortion. it took a long time for a lot of democratic politicians to be able to utter the word abortion, and now, they're going to get better at, that but you can't just say the word over and over again without thinking, what is it here that is driving voters to the polls in this sort of, undeniable surge of democratic support. what are voters responding through here. and are they think that through in terms of how they communicate moving into the next year and into the ears that are to come. >> i think that's a good point, i think part of what is so interesting if, you look at ohio, for instance, it's very tangible and concrete. . sometimes things and politics are antennae what you hope that if you put them in, they vote the way that they want, and maybe the pass the tax cut around. you're going to be able to get an abortion in ohio or not. that's a very clear. 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the government to bring the hostages home, and clashing with police. meanwhile, in the west bank, we are seeing a huge surge in israeli settler violence directed towards palestinians. graham would has been ongoing all of this for the atlantic, ready one piece called, hamas's level of savages seem to have licensed a new level of settler aggression against palestinians. settlers warning in one message intended for palestinians in the west bank, he started a war, you will get a knock the. nakba, arabic for catastrophe, the first permanent displacement palestinians during the 1948 arab palestinian israeli war. graham wood is a writer for the atlantic, has run nine stories about the israel hamas war since october the 7th. >> -- the savagery of hamas's surprise attack, and it's been now from jerusalem. graham, i have been reading you avidly. i want to start with the reporting you have done on some of the hostages families and the kind of -- one of the things that stuck with me, they fear and despair, but also the kind of sense that they have that this may just be a very, very long period of time that their loved ones are health. >> yeah, they are afraid of the, of course. they all know the name of -- who was in captivity by hamas for years and years and years. what they're afraid of is that there will be some kind of sticking the can down the road, and their loved ones names will just be names. they won't beat the of as human beings, but just as one point on the agenda for the reoccupation of gaza or some other kind of arrangement. what they are trying to do is make sure that the israeli public keeps remembering that they are human beings, and their children, their husbands, their wives and they are also migrant farm workers who just got in the way. these are human beings, and mission of before dawn. >> the experience looms large in all of this. he was eventually released in a prisoner swap negotiation with hamas biden in yahoo government at the time, a dozen prisoners were released from israeli custody. fortunately, one of whom, 1001, one of whom is the current military commander and hamas, was in the israeli prison for two decades, and was the mastermind, among others, of the slaughter on october 7th. you also spent some time in the west bank and draw a harrowing picture of what is happening there. there have been many reports a big increases of settler violence there, entire towns having to move, real widespread sense of fear there. what did you see when you are in the west bank? >> yeah, there is certainly one part of the spectrum of israeli politics that saw what happened on the 7th of october as, this is our moment. if there is any moment where the public will understand why we will finally expand into the palestinian territory, it will be right now. what a great time. i had been going into the west bank and visiting some of the communities that were being there and by the settlers. the settlers, by the way, they're expanding in violation of israeli law, let alone international law. after october 7th, they sped up, of course. there are some communities, small farming communities, that have been pressured for october 7th, broken windows, some menacing. and they have just changed to violently pushing them out, attacking them, so those committees are no more. it's really shocking to see -- it's not shocking to see that the settlement expansion would happen, but to see the split within israeli society, where you have these people on the far left to see this as an opportunity, and then people who are much more affected directly, the aging hate be types, who were actually the ones in the communities, who were attacked on the gaza border, and then a piece in training at the music festival, who their reaction, their hearts are broken, because they were expecting piece to win. they don't know what to think anymore. both sides of israeli society have had different reactions. >> in talking to israelis and using whatsapp over the last few weeks, one of the things about the war effort, about the need to get rid of hamas. and unity on that netanyahu must go afterwards. those are the two things -- there is a story in the guardian today, that he rejected that there have been some work on a cease-fire. a five-day cease-fire with palestinian militant groups in gaza to release some of the hostages. that is accointo sources familiar with the negotiations. nbc news does not have this confirmed it. sources said that he rejected a deal outright, negotiations soon after hamas militants -- into israeli territory on october 7th. my question here is, there seems to be a preferred set of political set of netanyahu, insofar that everyone understands that he's gone after the war, but then, obviously, his intent is to extend it as long as possible. >> i think certainly the professional class, of the israeli government, the mossad chiefs, the generals, they understand that their time is limited. at some point, they had to fall on their sword because they had failed so miserably. the israeli public, it's difficult to overstate how much they hated and continue to hate their government right now. it's really a universal hatred that absolutely touches netanyahu, where many of his supporters look at him and say, we supported you during the counterprotesting the liberal protests against you, and what were you doing for us during that time? you were leaving us defenseless in the most basic way. what was israel for if not for defending jewish people from this. i think there is absolutely a reckoning, but there is also an understanding that netanyahu is a survivor, and he's one of the best political players that israel has ever seen. if you can find a way to survive -- if anyone can find a way to survive, it will be. him >> graham would, who is reporting from israel and palestinian territories has been really essential. thanks very much, i appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. >> that is all in on this