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[ we're gonna do it ♪ >> it's over. the bucks have done it. the long wait has ended after a half century. the milwaukee bucks are nba champions once again. ♪ we'll do it our way yes our way ♪ ♪ make all our dreams come true ♪ >> actually, it's pronounced milwaukee. which is for the good land. >> i think god would want us to go to milwaukee. ♪ for me and you ♪ >> so beautiful. >> wow. >> there you go. >> i love that. >> wow. >> amazing. >> donald trump is trying to clean up an attack he made yesterday on the city hosting next month's republican national -- >> i -- are you feeling -- >> i love milwaukee. >> i know you do. >> i mean, it's amazing. >> trump called milwaukee, quote, a horrible city. the comment was first reported by punch bowl news' jake sherman, later confirmed by an nbc source inside the room. instead of being the site of the rnc -- or in addition to being the site of the rnc, milwaukee is also the largest city in the key battleground state of wisconsin. >> you know, willie, what was so funny was, so you actually had republicans saying, oh, he never said this about mail milwaukee, right? but he later admitted he said it about milwaukee, right? can i just say something? >> mm-hmm. >> in milwaukee. >> so good. >> so they start, willie, by saying -- we're not saying this about milwaukee, right? >> yeah, we love it. >> then they come out and find out that trump has admitted that he said all these horrible things about milwaukee. they go, oh, well, he was just talking about, you know, crime. another guy said they were talking about, i guess, the brewers' bullpen. willie, help me out here. i don't understand. why would you do that? like, they keep -- >> i don't understand either. it's so good. >> they keep making it up. milwaukee, milwaukee is wonderful. just drink it down, my friend. >> right! >> just drink it down. your thoughts, willie? >> i mean, opening the show with a pair of tall boys of the beast is just one of the great moves in the history of "morning joe." i just feel a little left out. i have a lame cup of coffee sitting over here. that looks delicious. >> it is delicious. drink it up, friends. drink up milwaukee. >> it's good. >> you know, it's like alice cooper said, this is a special place, right? >> i don't -- let's bring in a guy that knows something. >> yeah, he knows all about it. >> old milwaukee. that's wisconsin's own charlie sykes. charlie, they can try to spin it. first, they lied, of course, because they're trump republicans, saying, oh, he never said that. his spokesperson, oh, that's b.s., trump never said that. then, of course, we find out later -- you hate beer. you don't have to pretend anymore. >> okay. >> then later, they admitted that he said it. and we're spinning the rest of the day. the fact is, let's just say what it is. donald trump trashed the most important city in the upcoming 2024 election. you know why? because he's donald trump. >> yeah. and then, by the way, joe and mika, you're making me thirsty this morning. even by milwaukee standards, it's a little bit early. i mean, this is a farce inside of a fiasco. it was really interesting watching local republicans struggling to get their stories straight after donald trump dumps on milwaukee. again, thank you for the montage at the beginning. look, i am a milwaukeean. i've been there a very, very long time. look, we have our struggles. there are messes. there are challenges. but this is a great city on a great lake in a beautiful region. the bucks, the brewers, harley-davidson. we have a fantastic lakefront art museum, symphony, ballet. wait until people see the range of restaurants we have there. donald trump comes in and dumps on all of this. by the way, the idea of having this convention in milwaukee, this was the brain child of revis, who learned nothing over the last eight years. i regret not giving him a copy of "everything trump touches dies." >> yeah. >> but with donald trump trashing milwaukee -- and, of course, you can imagine how that is playing here -- you're seeing republicas you know, denying it or coming up with various spins. i guess the unfortunate thing is you know that, you know, given the trumpian media, this is going to be a talking point that goes from, you know, trump didn't say it or trump meant this to, you know, trump was absolutely right. milwaukee is trash. i think you made a key point here. milwaukee can't take it too personally. i think milwaukee is going to look gorgeous over the summer. we have these fantastic lakefront festivals. but trump says this about every major city. if you noticed this, he trashed new york, trashed washington, d.c., trashed baltimore. donald trump hates urban america. you know, again, this is not a news story. it is not a breaking story. he wants to be president of the united states. but only the real united states, apparently not great cities like milwaukee. but what a blunder. what a way to kick all this off. if mika doesn't want that beer, i am definitely down for it. >> i got it. >> i'll have it this afternoon. >> we'll fedex it to you. >> it'll go in my plants. >> couple years ago, i was having a conversation with mark halperin who has traveled all over the country. i said, what's your favorite city in america? he said, that's easy. it's milwaukee. >> yeah, well -- >> he said, he said, it's just -- you'd absolutely love it. it's called the city of festivals for a reason. there is always something going on in milwaukee. of course, they have great sports teams. but they've got this great urban downtown. they have an incredible art museum. georgia o'keeffe is a milwaukee native. >> right. >> they have the largest collection of georgia o'keeffe artwork in milwaukee there. it's a really vibrant, wonderful city. so, again, it just shows you how clueless this guy is who lives in a palm beach country club. >> doesn't feel like going anywhere. >> lives in a skyscraper in manhattan. outside of palm beach and manhattan, he hates the rest of america. >> fun fact about milwaukee, it has a large polish population, willie. lots of pols there. >> it does. what's nice, you could have chosen from any number of beers for your tall boy. you went with milwaukee's best. i respect the choice. could have done pbr, a miller highlight, the champagne of beers, of course. also, giannis lives there, a closing argument. >> okay. >> i'll interject fact into the conversation, but when they pivoted and said, no, he was just talking about crime, the murder rate is down 39% in the first quarter. >> whoa. >> this year in the city of milwaukee following a national trend of violent crime dipping this year. >> good job, milwaukee. >> biden campaign jumped all over trump's comment, posting a photo on social media of the president hosting the milwaukee bucks at the white house in 2021, along with the caption, "i happen to love milwaukee." >> there you go. >> the campaign is also selling t-shirts that read, quote, "not a horrible city," over a map of wisconsin. milwaukee with a star. the democratic mayor of milwaukee had this to say about trump's attack on his city. >> donald trump wants to talk about things he thinks are horrible. all of us lived through his presidency, so right back at ya, buddy. i'd say that. look, obviously, donald trump is wrong about something yet again. i find it kind of perplexing. i find it kind of strange that he would insult the largest city in wisconsin. to insult the state that's hosting your convention i think is kind of bizarre, actually. it's kind of unhinged. >> yeah, it is unhinged. let's bring in the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief, jonathan lemire. associate editor of "the washington post," political analyst, also a huge fan of milwaukee, eugene robinson. >> yes. >> as well as washington bureau chief at "usa today," susan page. jonathan lemire, couple weeks ago, i said, we're not sure if this trump trial is going to penetrate swing voters and whether they're going to notice. let me tell you who did notice what happened yesterday. mi milwaukee's most important newspaper, wisconsin's most important newspaper. they wrote it up on the front page, that donald trump trashed their city, said it was a horrible city. >> "milwaukee journal sentinol" led with that. and we have no drink service here at 30 rock. >> sorry, guys. >> this is an odd strategy, to attack the biggest city in the largest battleground state in selection. i wonder what he has for philadelphia, atlanta, phoenix, detroit. just go after all of them. to charlie's point, this is an us versus them rhetoric he's used a bit. painting cities, more liberal, progressive, diverse, has less american than the real red states in rural parts of this country. that is nothing new. we should also note, in 2016, the rnc when trump was nominated was in cleveland. he trashed cleveland, too. you know, then there wasn't an rnc in 2020. they had it at the white house because of pandemic. but this is something that is breaking through. you're right, we've seen the polls move a point or two in the wake of trump's trial. democrats struggle to keep it in the news, though it'll be forefront at the debate in two weeks' time. this is what the biden campaign has been looking for. trump out of the courtroom, back on the trail, making news, and making news that hurts him. >> exactly. >> this was an own goal, if you will, yesterday in d.c. >> well, and this is why, of course, the trump campaign wanted donald trump to stay in the courthouse. they didn't want him on the campaign trail. they don't want him on capitol hill. he says really -- >> gaffe machine. >> -- stupid things. he is a human gaffe machine, gene robinson. here, he did it with milwaukee yesterday. i mean, the thing he doesn't understand about these midwest cities, especially, you know, when we were in cleveland a couple years ago for the convention -- how long ago was that, '16? >> is that the khaki gate? >> decades ago. >> yeah. >> when we were in cleveland, the thing i noted about cleveland was, first of all, a great city, but also the immense pride people took. >> yeah. >> we'd say, where are you from? >> right. >> denver, been all over the place. >> love their team. >> they're like, cleveland. been here my whole life. i love it. i found the same thing with, like, milwaukee. >> absolutely. >> people in milwaukee, it's not democrats in milwaukee, it's not republicans in milwaukee. >> it's everybody. >> it's milwaukeeans. >> outside of the republican politicians who trash it, they take great pride in their city for a great reason. it's a great town. >> cities like cleveland, like milwaukee, that donald trump hates, have had such a rebound over the past couple of decades. their downtowns are just sparkling and active and so much fun. art museum that charlie was talk about, the design by santiago, the famous architect, it is gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous there on the lakefront. >> gorgeous. >> it is a great city. but, you know, so that's a crazy thing for donald trump to say, right? but, you know, it just reminds me that he says crazy, irrational, weird, and -- >> mean. >> -- unhinged things all the time. he doesn't make sense. he doesn't -- there is something seriously wrong inside his head. this is yet another manifestation. we're going to see it again and again and again because that's the way he is. so, yeah, i guess the biden campaign is just really, really happy that he is out there, just sort of spewing it out. >> eugene, you know, i agree it seems counterintuitive for trump to have done this. maybe he's playing chess and we're playing checkers. but does it seem remarkable to you that it is more politically damaging for him to have said that milwaukee is a horrible city than for him to be on trial for 34 felony counts and then convicted? >> yes. >> this is like a clearer political shot in some way that i don't, i have to admit, don't fully understand. >> yeah, it is counterintuitive. you would think that being on trial and being convicted on 34 felony counts would certainly be more damaging to the campaign than an offhand remark. it just says something about, you know -- let's face it, donald trump is, indeed, a unique figure in our politics, and i hope will always be a unique figure. i hope there is never anybody like him again. but that's kind of where we are. his loyal base, the people who have drunk his kool-aid, will stick with him kind of no matter what. but you go into the city, talk about the city where you'll have your convention in a state that you have to win if you want to have any chance of winning the presidency, and attack it in that way, that's just nuts. you're going to take a hit. >> you'll take a hit. look at the beautiful city. the sun is starting to rise over milwaukee, wisconsin. 5:15 there, central time zone. charlie, as we look at the beautiful skyline, a city you know and love so much, and we hear gene talking personally about how moved he is by the art museum there and just the life there, it is an absolutely great city. i want to give you final thoughts on this as it pertains not only to milwaukee -- and i will tell you, these wisconsin voters which, strangely enough, i would have never predicted this four years ago, but it looks like over the past year, when biden has trouble, wisconsin has been sort of a firewall. because older voters, especially older white voters, are surprisingly moving to joe biden. a lot of it just has to to with the fact, sort of the midwestern common sense and midwestern values, where there are a lot of people there that are saying, listen, i might like some of his policies, but he's just not fit to be president of the united states. >> yeah, that's true. by the way, it's great just to see a picture of milwaukee city hall where i worked for many years. you know, of all the crazy things that donald trump has said in the last week, this is probably not the craziest. with everything that happened yesterday, the drunken uncle going back and, you know, having republicans kiss his ring, this was probably not the most significant thing. but this is going to stick. you know it'll be mentioned every single day if not every single hour during the rnc convention here in milwaukee. i will tell you, one caveat, one of the things that the trump republicans are going to try to do is they're going to try to divide the rest of wisconsin from milwaukee. they'll say, milwaukee is this terrible thing. other people in wisconsin will go along with that kind of view. i don't think that that's going to work because, and i think you touched on it, cities like milwaukee have a great deal of pride but also have a chip on their shoulder. they have a little bit of sensitivity to this sort of thing. back in the 1950s when the milwaukee braves defeated the new york yankees in, i believe, the 1957 world series, remember, there was a lot of sort of sneering about milwaukee, you know, being a small town. milwaukeeans resented that. donald trump has messed with a city that, you know, we may, here in wisconsin, be willing to criticize ourselves and, you know, talk about the problems, but they don't need donald trump coming in and dumping on a city that we love and that i think is going to really shine next month. >> msnbc contributor charlie sykes, thank you very much. we salute milwaukee. cheers. >> there you go. ahead on "morning joe," the latest cease-fire negotiations between israel and hamas as president biden signals there won't be a deal anytime soon. plus, the latest from the g7 summit in italy, as world leaders agree on a long-term support plan for ukraine. you're watching "morning joe." we are back in 90 seconds. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein! those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. (♪♪) 21 past the hour. it appears the biden administration does not expect to see a cease-fire deal between israel and hamas anytime soon. white house national security adviser jake sullivan says while mediators are working to bridge the gaps between israel and hamas, there's no clear timetable for reaching an agreement. earlier this week, hamas submitted amendments to the latest proposal, but the white house says some of those changes are unworkable. president biden expressed concerns the deal won't be done soon while speaking to reporters at the g7 summit yesterday. later in the day, he criticized hamas for a lack of progress. >> president biden, did you all have a chance to discuss a possible cease-fire? >> yes. >> are you confident it is going to be done soon, sir? >> no. i'm not. i haven't lost hope, but it is going to be tough. >> the bottom line is, we've made an agree -- i've laid out an approach that has been endorsed by the u.n. security council, by the g7, by the israelis, and the biggest hangup so far is hamas refusing to sign on, even though they have submitted something similar. whether or not it comes to fruition remains to be seen. we're going to continue to push. i don't have a final answer for you. meanwhile, tensions are rising along israel's northern front after the iran-backed militant group, hezbollah, fired hundreds of rockets on wednesday. it was in response to an israeli air strike that killed a senior hezbollah commander. joining us now from beirut is nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. keir, what's the latest? >> reporter: just the latest along that northern border with israel, the southern border here in lebanon, just this morning, we count three israeli settlements targeted by hezbollah rockets just this morning. at the same time, on the lebanon side, two women killed, 20 people injured by an attack by israel. not clear what that attack was targeting. earlier in the week, we did see a hezbollah commander killed by israel. that led to the latest escalation in tensions. the concern, the enduring concern after nine months, what was happening in gaza could escalate here to a wider war. now, there doesn't appear to be any indication right now -- you don't want to make predic predi of course -- but there is no indication that is about to happen. hezbollah leaders the past nine months indicated, suggested they do not want to see that kind of escalation. i think, ultimately, hezbollah is happy to continue this fire across the border without using its very substantial missiles and other weaponry in a wider escalation at this stage. president macron over the g7 there, you saw president biden saying that he is now trying to put -- to reignite, reheat a road map for getting more stability in this part of the crisis. president macron has his own problems back home and, frankly, i think it is unlikely that the tension here is going to kind of dial down until you see a cease-fire in gaza. you mentioned at the top there, mika, that question over whether there is going to be one. effectively, these have been cease-fire negotiations that have been under way since late april. we saw president biden come out and kind of push things forward by making a very public statement, that israel had an offer. we saw during that process, too, of course, those claims that hamas had been offered something different. the language actually was different than israel had agreed to or seen. it's been a really difficult road. secretary blinken still in the region trying to get toward some kind of deal. there were two things happening. one, both israel and hamas are trying not to be blamed for the negotiations not working, but both are sticking to their maximalist goals, ultimately. israel is to see hamas' political and military capability dismantled. on the other side, hamas determined to still exist and to still be running gaza after all of this is over, when finally it is. >> as you say, hezbollah will not stop lobbing the projectiles into israel until they see a cease-fire in gaza. chief international correspondent keir simmons reporting from beirut, lebanon. keir, thank you, as always. the second day of the g7 summit is under way right now in italy. moments ago, president biden met with italy's prime minister in a joint appearance. according to a senior biden administration official, the president will meet privately with pope francis later today before heading back to the united states. during yesterday's events, president biden and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy signed a ten-year bilateral security agreement that provides ukraine with a $50 billion loan. >> 2 1/2 years ago, putin unleashed a brutal war on ukraine, and it has been a horrifying ordeal for the ukrainian people who are so brave and incredible. it's also been a test for the world. would we stand with ukraine? would we stand for sovereignty, freedom, and against tyranny? the united states, the g7, and countries around the world have consistently answered the question by saying, yes, we will. we'll say it again, yes, again and again. we're going to stand with ukraine. >> joining us now, former chief of staff at the cia and the department of defense, jeremy bash. jeremy, good morning. it is good to see you. i'm curious what you make of this ten-year, bilateral security agreement, kind of cleverly created off frozen russian assets the last couple of years. what does this provide ukraine right now? >> well, this is critical, both symbolically and tangibly, willie, because president biden is saying on the world stage that the united states is going to stand up for ukraine, going to stand four square against putin, against tyranny, and it is a clear message that the united states is going to stand with our allies together with nato. one of the things that president biden is showcasing during his week in italy at the g7 is that america is back leading on the world stage. we are strengthening nato. we expanded nato. we are standing with ukraine. we are standing up to russia in the same way that president biden is saying we're standing shoulder to shoulder with allies to stand up against iran, which is fomenting violence in the middle east. as you referenced, its surrogate and proxy, hezbollah, is attacking america's ally, israel, and also standing up against china, whose coercive practices are undermining democracy in the west. this is biden leading on the world stage. it is a stark contrast to what trump is offering, america go it alone, america first, and obviously breaking our alliances around the world. >> you know, mika, it needs to be said. i mean, you have joe biden here with a schedule that would be brew fall for anybody. >> oh, my gosh. >> any president of any age. going to europe. >> twice. >> d-day, spending five days in france. going over to the g7. >> in the middle of the personal struggles. >> in the middle of the personal struggles. >> the public personal struggles. >> the hunter trial. yesterday, even critics were saying that he did a strong job, very good job representing the united states, even though, again, we have some cheap fakes that the rnc, once again, are spreading vicious lies about joe biden. that's just who they are. >> we should point those out. >> we will point that out in a second. jonathan lemire, i was struck by that. struck by the strong message, as well, that joe biden delivered yesterday. the united states and our great allies in europe have really stood shoulder to shoulder here. other than mike johnson and donald trump holding up badly needed security aid to ukraine, now that that roadblock has gotten past and people who actually love freedom and love democracy and hate authoritarians who invade other countries, it seems to me we have them outnumbered, as far as people in europe and america that actually support freedom. at all times, unlike a lot of republicans in the house. but a very strong message. the united states followed the eu in its support, and now they get together at the g7 and another $50 billion going ukraine's way. how important is this for ukraine? >> first of all, both presidents, biden and za nmsz, zelenskyy, acknowledged the consequences of the delay in american aid, hurting ukraine's cause. now, of course, it's reached the front lines, and we've seen russia's offensive slow, in part because of it, as well as the biden policy change that allows ukraine to use u.s. weapons to target sites in russia that were threatening kharkiv. that has slowed the assault there, as well. that's the good news story here. no doubt. you heard the rhetoric, and you underscored the rhetoric from president biden, saying that the u.s. will be with ukraine for as long as it takes. but, jeremy, there is an asterisk to that. a lot of this measure right now is done to set up security for ukraine down the road in case the biden administration is still not in place. we see the polls that show a dead heat. we also see a lot of the european leaders are politically weakened at this moment, coming out of tough elections, facing poor poll numbers, facing upcoming elections. this is a moment of uncertainty. colleagues at the g7 really point to a high level of anxiety among the leaders there. talk to us about why it is so important that this was put in place to try to prevent trump from undoing things, but also what would happen if trump gets into office, what changes could he make to u.s. support for ukraine? >> president trump has been clear, jonathan. he could end the war many 24 hours, which is code for yanking support from ukraine. i'd even argue yanking support from nato. that would embolden putin, and putin would say, i have a clear shot, not only to work my will all the way to kyiv, but perhaps to go into moldova, actually to go into a nato ally and to ultimately try to force the united states into living up to our article 5 obligations, to defend nato allies and partners. so, look, it is a split screen moment here. you've got president biden clearly leading on the world stage. he's got his allies standing next to him, talking about the importance of standing up to tyranny in russia, standing up to china's coercive economic practices, and then you have trump saying, i'll give it all away to russia. i'll basically do any deal to even give away taiwan. he suggested he won't defend taiwan. he suggested certainly he won't defend ukraine. people say trump is transactional. it is a polite way of saying he'll sell our interests and values to the highest bidder. president biden is articulating the opposite approach. >> all right. former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense, jeremy bash, thank you very much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. coming up, the supreme court rejects the latest effort to roll back access to the abortion pill. we'll break down yesterday's decision and the door it leaves open for future challenges. 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change the fact that the fight for reproductive freedom continues. the stakes could not be higher for women across america." vice president harris echoed that take at an event yesterday. >> i just want to quickly address the supreme court's ruling today on medication abortion. this is not a cause for celebration. because the reality is certain things are still not going to change. we are looking at the fact that two-thirds of women of reproductive age in america live in a state with a trump apportion ban. this ruling is not going to change that. this ruling is not going to change the fact that trump's allies have a plan, that if all else fails, to eliminate medication abortion through executive action. so we must remin clear-eyed about the threats to reproductive freedom in america. >> yes. and yes. >> yes and yes. susan page, it's so fascinating. yesterday, brett kavanaugh sounded a good bit like john roberts when he refused to strike down obamacare, which john roberts said, "do not ask us to do on this court what you can do in the ballot box next year." yesterday, justice kavanaugh's reasoning seemed to be, don't ask us to do what either congress or the fda could do better. so there is all the reason in the world to be worried about who is going to be running the fda over the next four years. it remains a potent political issue. >> yeah. >> of course, this decision was based not on the merits of medication abortions or access to medication abortion, it was on the standing of those who sued in this particular case. so i think that's what vice president harris was trying to elude to. this leaves the door open to other challenges by people who might have more standing or, as the decision itself said, encouraged those who opposed medication abortion to go to regulatory agencies, to go to congress, to go to state legislators, to try to get what they didn't get in the court yesterday. it's a reminder that we're going to continue to see ivf, access to ivf treatments, access to contraception, access to medication abortion, continue to be in play in the united states over this year and beyond. >> gene, it's fascinating. just yesterday, to see donald trump on capitol hill in the closed door meetings with members of the house and the senate, effectively saying to them, stay away from this. stay away from this abortion issue that i created by appointing the three supreme court justices, getting them on the court. he has run for the hills from all of this, including the alabama supreme court decision on ivf. he knows it is a toxic issue for him in this election. yet, the biden campaign can say, rightly and clearly, that it is because of him that we're in this place, because of those three justices. >> yeah. you heard vice president harris call it a trump abortion ban. say that two-thirds of, excuse me, child-bearing aged women in this country live under a trump abortion ban. you are going to hear that phrase about 80 million times, i think, between now and the election, because it's true. he created the majority on the supreme court that got rid of roe v. wade. it turns out that roe v. wade, what roe v. wade said, where it left the country -- while there was no consensus about it, there's a majority view that that was right, basically. that women do have reproductive rights. they belong to them. they are private rights that cannot be completely stripped away, yet they have been. so, you know, now you have the southern baptist convention, the largest protestant denomination in the country, coming out four square against in vitro fertilization, which is nothing short of a miracle for couples that infertiity and who have also, you know, can't afford the procedure. but it is a miracle, really. now that's in the mix. it's not just abortion. >> right. >> it's all reproductive rights are now up in the air thanks to donald trump. >> i can say for our family, i mean, my gosh, it is really personal. there are people in our family who have now experienced the miracle of childbirth, and they've done it through ivf after suffering and struggling for years. >> yeah. >> so it is really a miracle. >> i also think the issue is -- you know, i think sometimes when we focus on women's rights and women's right to abortion and a woman's right to choose, republicans like to make it sound like women are lining up, saying, i'll have a mifepristone and day after pill, hand it over to me. how about a doctor's oath to preserve life and to use everything in his medical knowledge and education and the tools that he has available to him, approved by the fda, created by science, to save life, to preserve life, to save a woman's life or perhaps keep her from anguish, pain, sterilization, mental health problems? you know, doctors are frustrated, too. they're scared. >> right. >> they're scared that they will be put in jail if they actually deliver life-saving care. this is crazy. >> well, for good reason. >> this is what donald trump has given america. >> i remember donald trump telling chris matthews that he believed the doctors should be punished, women should be punished. >> right. >> he's talked about contraception, that should be left to the states. he, of course, will say these things and then reverse, then he goes back and forth and back and forth on so many issues, you really don't know how to keep up. i will tell you, all of this is breaking through. it is very fascinating. the ivf debate, what gene was just talking about as far as americans are concerned. they're really taking notice. you look, jonathan lemire, at the numbers. gallup put out a poll recently and said that the number of americans that consider themselves pro choice are higher than ever. the number of americans who say that they are voting exclusively on the issue of abortion will not vote for a candidate who does not support choice, higher than ever. i mean, you have the numbers that continue to go up, up now 13 points over the past decade. there is just no doubt. by the way, people who consider themselves pro life down nine percentage points. then i'd only vote for someone who shares my abortion views, now 32% compared to 24%, 20%, 17%. also, something else i noticed, jonathan, in this poll that was fascinating, and it was the number of pro-life americans who are really engaged on this topic is dropping. why is it dropping? they got what they wanted. after the cold war was over, the cold warriors were out of vogue. bill clinton could get elected a year after the soviet union fell. winston churchill could be voted out of office in 1945, after he won the second world war. they won the big battle. this was a generational battle that pro-life forces had been fighting, and they won. they're just not as engaged on this as women who actually know this is personal. this is personal to their freedom. this is personal to their families. this is personal to whether they're able to have a baby or not. this is personal to whether their 10-year-old girl who gets raped is going to be forced by the state to have a child or be sterilized because of tragedy that befalls them. i mean, this is having such an impact. you're seeing it in these numbers. >> yeah. it is possible that all of the election analysis, all the punditry of 2024, is missing the sleeping giant of this election, which is the same as the last couple, abortion rights. you know, we're so confused with conversations about president biden's age or even donald trump's criminal convictions or, yes, milwaukee, but, really, this here will be the definitive issue again, like it was in 2022, like it has been in a number of special elections all since the dobbs decision. the democrats, well, have basically been undefeated on this issue ever since. abortion rights, certainly the biden campaign believes, along with the economy, will be the two biggest components here. we are seeing, there are so many americans, joe and mika, who are going to vote on this issue and this issue alone, not limited to suburban women who may be the deciding demographic of this election. we shouldn't be overlooking how important this all is, particularly as democrats, eugene is right, expect to hear the phrase trump abortion ban a lot from vice president harris and others going forward. they're also going to warn them about threats to ivf, contraception, and more. >> since the trump abortion ban, pro-choice, pro-choice votes in state after state after state have broken for pro-choice forces, in states like kansas, kentucky, ohio. >> yeah. >> it's not really even close. >> yeah. >> it's way above the majority in all of those states. >> the people are speaking on this issue. >> the reddest of red states. >> these nightmare stories that keep pouring out of women suffering because of these bans, i mean, really, what did you expect? >> because of donald trump. >> still ahead -- >> by the way, donald trump still so proud of it. >> i know. >> still brags about terminating roe. >> 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out! >> okay. no zionists. we're good. >> when i see individuals on a subway being terrorized by individuals in masks, it's a cause for great concern. subway is the primary focus right now, but also people are wearing masks, are able to commit crimes because they're now undetected, it's a challenge for our law enforcement. >> that is new york governor kathy hochul speaking yesterday, considering a partial ban on mask wearing inside new york city subways in response to a series of recent anti-semitic incidents, like the one you just saw, by people concealing their identities with masks. joining us now, the ceo of the antidefamation league, jonathan greenblatt. jonathan, good morning. we can talk about the mask issue in a moment, but we need to pause and consider that, in the year 2024, on a subway car at union station, union square station, 14th street in new york city, a group of people are saying, "raise your hand if you're a zionist." translation, a jew. this is your chance to get out. how did we get to this place where those people are so emboldened to think that they can say those things, number one, and, number two, get away with it? >> yeah. willie, i mean, this is a frightening sign of our times. i mean, i look at that video, and i think, what if i was on that train? what if one of my kids was on that train? what if one of the 90% of american jews who identify as zionists, have a deep relationship with israel, was on that train? what would have happened to them? when these people, again, with their faces sheatheded in handkerchieves, scarves, what would have happened? we had that incident and the disgusting protest in front of the nova exhibit, memorializing hundreds of teenagers and innocents raped and murdered at a peace festival. you had people outside of it claiming that it didn't happen. a kind of holocaust denialism for our time. on tuesday, you had the jewish directors of the brooklyn museum, the executive director, their homes were targeted. their homes had red triangles painted on them. as the actor wendell pierce described, the red triangle is like a burning cross being put on the front lawn of a black family. that's what wendell pierce said, and he is right. the red triangle is used by hamas to identify and target their victims. it's a bull's eye, if you will. just yesterday, on thursday, dozens of synagogues in the new york area got bomb threats. i mean, this is a moment in time like we've never seen before, willie. we really need action now. >> as we said many times, and you, yourself, have said, there is legitimate protest of the way the war in gaza has been prosecuted by israel, civilian death and suffering. >> of course. >> this is not that. this is not that. the crime by the director of the brooklyn museum, the pictures we're showing, was being jewish. the triangles are marked for death. that's what it means when hamas puts a target on someone. what can be done to change the directory of where this is going, where people feel, i can go out and do that and nothing is going to happen to me? >> i think there are a few things. i think governor hochul is right, what she said at the press conference. we have to figure out this masking issue. there is a framework. there is a model where you could allow for people to exercise freedom of expression or to wear a mask if they're concerned about, you know, communicable diseases, if you will, like covid, and, yet, not to hide and conceal your identity so you can menace, threaten, and commit acts of violence. i mean, there is a balance here that's got to be struck. i think that's number one. i think number two, you know, these people are waving flags, willie, like, of hezbollah and hamas and the pflp. these are foreign terror organizations. by the way, willie, that have killed americans. hezbollah has killed hundreds and hundreds of americans over the decade. i think we've got to try to understand, how is this happening? and material support for foreign terror organizations is a problem, no matter who the group might be. finally, people of good conscience on all sides have to speak out. yes, me as a jewish person, i speak out against anti-semitism and all other forms of hate. we need faith leaders, civil activists, actors like wendell pierce, more of that to happen, to step up and say, this is absolutely unacceptable, no matter how appalling the violence in gaza. this isn't a way to demonstrate your frustration about the middle east. >> correct. >> you know, i'm just tired of the lies. i'm tired of the lies that suggest that all of what we see, all of what we saw there, all of what we see in protests, it's just a good faith disagreement on jewish and palestinian relations in israel. it's not -- you can look at what the leaders of the so-called student groups protested and laid siege to college campuses throughout the spring, you can look at them celebrating openly with statements, the worst slaughter of jews since the holocaust. you can see what happened here. it's just sick. there's no other word for it. just sick that we had the protests and the holocaust denialism outside that extraordinary exhibit for the nova music festival. a music festival that was to celebrate peace. to celebrate peace. it was savagely attacked on the morning of october 7th. so many young, young people slaughtered by hamas. and these people outside actually denying it and praising those attacks. >> yeah. you know, joe, i have to say, like, look at this footage. people denying other individuals the right to enter that building, that's a violation of their civil rights. people being on the subway, being attacked because of their ethnicity or their faith, how they pray or where they're from, that's an attack on the civil rights. this isn't just a local issue. it's a federal crime. so we need consequences applied. again, i have no problem with free speech. it is a kind of gaslighting to suggest that i don't care about civilian lives in gaza. i do. i don't want another civilian to be killed. it should stop tomorrow. that will happen when hamas just releases the hostages. but today, here and now, we really want federal authorities to look at this. i think this is a bigger problem. by the way, joe, remember this, it will spread. it may start in manhattan or brooklyn. >> yeah. >> but it will spread if we don't have some kind of deterrence all over the country. >> completely agree. >> 100% correct on that. by the way, we want to mention a special honor that was given to joe last week. the auschwitz jewish center foundation, which uses the lessons of the holocaust to fight anti-semitism and all forms of hatred, held its annual gala in new york, honoring those who aid in this crucial work. holocaust survivors were sharing their stories with young military cadets from all branches of the service, selected for the foundation's one of a kind intensive course in ethical responsibility in the military. joe received the group's excellence in media award for being a critical and clear voice in the fight against hate. last year, he broadcast for "morning joe" from auschwitz on holocaust liberation day and had an exclusive interview with second gentlemen doug emhoff, who has emerged as one of the president's most prominent voices combating anti-semitism. >> yeah. >> so -- >> you know, jonathan, i'm a baptist. but this battle is far every american. this battle is for everyone who loves freedom. this battle is for everyone who wants to speak out against racism, bigotry, anti-semitism. it's just so important that we join together in this fight against hate. >> absolutely. i mean, i am never more proud than when i stand with reverend al against racism. i'm never more proud than when i stand with the asian-american foundation against aapi hate. and i am never more proud when the rev and norman chen, the ceo of the asian-american foundation and others stand with me in the fight against anti-semitism. frankly, mika and joe, you have focused on this on the program, the two of you and willie, for years, and i so appreciate the moral clarity of your voice. often, that's what's missing, moral clarity. it says, yes, you can have your views on politics. yes, you can have your views on tough issues. but holding any group of people collectively responsible is contemptible. this, again, as you're just saying, joe, it's not just the anti-semitic but it is anti-american, anti-democratic. >> it is. >> people who think they can overtake public spaces and silence people because, again, how they pray or where they're from, these are the enemies myey and diversity. it's wrong, and it has to stop. >> enemies of truth. >> it has to stop. >> ceo of the antidefamation league, jonathan greenblatt, thank you for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. >> thanks, you guys. >> thank you. donald trump was back on capitol hill yesterday for the first time since the january 6th, 2021, insurrection, and republicans gave him a hero's welcome. the presumptive 2024 gop nominee briefly addressed the press after gathering with house and senate republicans in two separate meetings, touting his great relationships with everyone present. >> this is an outstanding group of people. i'm with them 1,000%. they're with me 1,000%. we agree just about on everything. if there isn't, we work it out. >> he said complimentary things about all of us. we had sustained applause. he said i'm doing a good job. >> he saw me, i was sitting back, and he was like, hello, marjorie. he is always so sweet. recognizes me. >> he is electric. he's got an incredible fastball. i think it was just exciting, after all he had been through, how strong this man is. i've never seen someone be able to take all the heat that he's taken and come in there ready to lead. >> he was the team captain, and we were glad he was leading us. it was the single best meeting i've ever seen between the united states republican senators and president trump. >> you know, willie, just in case you're keeping score at home, they were saying this about a man convicted of 34 felonies, found liable for sexual assault against a woman, was found to be guilty, by definition, definitional purposes, by a judge in new york of raping that woman. he said, you can call it what you want to call it, but everybody else outside this courtroom calls it rape. when he talked about definitions of the u.s. army or definitions of -- again, medical organizations. this is who the republicans are throwing their arms around with reckless abandonment. again, i just, for political purposes, let me say again because i'm so nice, i like to warn people before they stick their hand on the stove for the eighth time, this is also the man that led republicans to defeats in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and it'll happen again in 2024. one of those people talking, lindsey graham. the guy who said in 2016, and got it right before that losing streak, he said, if we nominate trump, we will be destroyed as a party, and we will deserve it. here we go. it's about to be an eight-year losing streak. >> i mean, you could go to a taylor swift concert this summer and see less giddiness about her from teenage girls than we saw from republicans on capitol hill about donald trump right there. >> yeah, brutal. >> staggering. these are grown men, supposed leaders, who just cannot be more excited to be in the same room, to breathe the same oxygen as donald trump, to jump up to standing ovations. as you say, joe, many of the people in that room giving him an ovation, getting as close as they can to make sure they're in all the photographs with him for their campaign ad, are the ones who condemned him on january 6th and the days after january 6th, before they put their fingers in the wind and realized that his supporters still liked him and changed completely. it is not surprising anymore, but to see it up close, with him side by side with them, then running to cameras to talk about how excited they were to have been waved at or recognized by him in some way, it is something to behold. that meeting with republican senators also, by the way, marked the first time trump and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell have come face-to-face since 2020. after the meeting, mcconnell told reporters, the meeting was, quote, good. >> it was a good meeting. >> did he say anything about you? >> no. >> did you talk to him directly? >> huh? >> did you talk to him directly? >> yeah, we shook hands a few times. he took questions from the audience. and it was an entirely possession. >> so after seeing that photograph of mitch mcconnell shaking hands with donald trump, liz cheney posted -- i won't read all of it but you'll get the gist -- mitch mcconnell knows, writes cheney, trump provoked the violent attack on our capitol and watched television happily as his mob brutally beat police officers and hunted the vice president. he knows trump refused for hours to tell his mob to leave. even then, with police officers bleeding, he kept repeating his election lies and praising the criminals. he knows trump committed a disgraceful dereliction of duty and is a danger to our republic. trump and his collaborators will be remembered, and how mitch mcconnell reacted. >> 100%. >> liz cheney, what she wrote there, mitch mcconnell basically said when he was talking about what happened on january 6th. >> yes. >> you talk to people, liberals, conservatives, you talk to people who were there on january 6th, no one was more angered by what happened than mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell talked about it. when he was on the senate floor, he talked about all of those things that liz cheney said right there. now, again, it's just a collective sort of amnesia. just complete moral vacuum at the core of the republican party. what about mike johnson? we gave him sustained applause. it's so painful. >> yeah. >> it's just -- >> that was, like, by the way, exactly what trump wants to hear. a lot of people were clapping for him. >> yeah. >> that's, like, the childish 5-year-old mentality about his audiences and clapping. very strange. very lame that mike johnson would add to that. former prosecutor and senator, claire mccaskill. co-host with jen palmieri on the podcast, "how to win 2024." also, senior columnist for "politico," jonathan martin. >> j-mart. >> i'll leave that there. staff writer for "the new yorker," susan glasser, as well. >> j-mart, you have traveled around the country. >> look like it. >> you have talked to republicans. you have talked to elected leaders on both sides of the house. >> yes. >> you know, like i know, because i've talked to them, too, all of those people clapping and all of those people hugging donald trump and all of those saluting donald trump, all hate donald trump, all say terrible things behind his back. >> yeah. >> you know, that guy right there said, if you're a christian, jd vance, at one point he said, if you're a christian, you cannot vote for this man. yet, here we are, j-mart. >> they're living a life that they're not terribly thrilled about, but it is the life they've chosen. their voters like him. joe, voters love him, actually. they live in fear of their voters. look, that's the issue, right? there is a fundamental difference between the leadership class of the party and the rank and file voters. they're not the same party. you've got a residue of an earlier party that still is left, especially in the senate, that does not reflect where the party's voters are. they have to fake it, and they've been doing that for going on a decade now. some of them quit or retire or are defeated, but if those who stick around, they make this accommodation. they do it unhappily, but that's the life they're living. boy, guys, i have to say, to have doug mills, the prize-winning photographer for "the new york times," come to shoot that session, to record it for history, trump knows what he is doing. he is getting the best photographer in journalism today to come record all the supplecants kiss the ring. >> claire, willie and i talk about it all the time, because we're men, we talk about how we'd respond as men if somebody insulted our wives and called them ugly, and if somebody accused our father of being part ofjfk assassination, or if somebody gave out our phone numbers like trump gave out lindsey graham's phone number and insulted lindsey as much as he did, i mean, we could go down the list. you know, mitch mcconnell shook hands with a man who has unleashed a torrent of racist comments about his wife, but he did it. i have to say, i'm just going to say, i'm an old guy so i'll say it the way we'd say it, and willie and i talked about it now. as a man, you do any of those things, you cross that line, there is no going back. you insult my father, my wife, like, there's no going back. there's no shaking your hand. there's no endorsing you. in fact, i will focus on destroying your political career for the rest of my life. by the way, people who know me know when they have insulted close friends who have passed away, i literally spent the next 20 years going after them. because, well -- >> it's wrong. >> -- you don't let bullies beat up friends and family members. >> yeah. i watched that video, and my former colleagues were going, ah, power, self-respect? power, self-respect? okay, i'll go with power. i'm not going to go with self-respect. couple of things stood out to me about his meetings on the hill yesterday. one, did you see that awkward moment where joni ernst was forced to kiss his cheek? katie britt rushed him and was, like, i love you, hugged him. he walks by joni ernst and sticks his cheek out, and she has to peck it. by the way, there's a picture of josh hawley. i wish somebody would ask him what he was running for that day on january 6th when the cameras caught him running. why was he running? if he's written a book on masculinity and how to be a man, i don't know what men run from. usually it's because they're afraid for their lives. then the other thing, think about this for a minute, guys. donald trump got in front of members of congress and wanted to talk about whether taylor swift was going to endorse him. i mean, that's just weird! i mean, that is a scrambled brain. first of all -- >> so weird. >> -- under no set of circumstances is taylor swift ever going to endorse donald trump. ever! and so him bringing it up is such a self-own, that he cares more about taylor swift endorsing him than any of those losers that he was requiring to applaud him. >> that was a strange scene. >> it's a strange obsession. that's come up a lot lately. he doesn't understand why taylor swift doesn't like him. he thinks that she should come out and endorse him. i think he is obsessed with people who are really, really famous, because that's a thing that matters to him. i guess it's stardom, something like that. susan glasser, we should point out, today is donald trump's 78th birthday. you're writing a piece about his age. also, the senate republicans brought him a cake, brought him out a cake yesterday. >> getting up there. >> we have it, there it is. there's your cake, sir, mr. president. i'll lean in and get you blowing out the candles. house republicans saying happy birthday to him, as well. a significant day, though. so much is made about joe biden's age. the rnc deceptively editing clips while he is overseas to suggest that he is too old to serve. 78, no spring chicken either, though, is it, susan? >> yeah, it's pretty remarkable moment, i have to say. donald trump is making the case, you know, that people try to make against president biden. it seems to me that he ought to be the poster boy. i note they did not have the televised photo-op singing "happy birthday" to trump because it might underscore the very visible -- i mean, even the trump of 2016 or 2020 was far more coherent. you know, we're only a few days away from his infamous sharks, electric boat, electrocution speech in las vegas, truly one of the classics of the genre. yesterday, in that meeting with house republicans, according to various reports, he even said that the city where republicans are going to nominate him for president was a horrible city. milwaukee. he talked about taylor swift. he rambled on about nancy pelosi and claiming that, you know, maybe they would have made a good couple. i mean, crazy stuff like this. i think it's really the kind of unspoken, you know, naked man in the room problem with donald trump. all those people applauding and cheering him are afraid to talk about the reality of who he is. >> j-mart, i know you're a man who likes milwaukee. i know that's the republican host convention city. donald trump just bashed it yesterday. you can weigh in on whether you think that has electoral impact there. waves of negative headlines in a key swing state. to susan's point, that was just one of a number of off the wall things that donald trump said yesterday. >> yeah. >> he's now 78 years old as of today. there's been so much concern about that looming debate, now just two weeks' time away, about what president biden will do. will he deliver a strong, coherent performance? don't republicans and trump staffers have to be worried about the exact same thing for donald trump who is going to be up there with no audience to cheer him on, no crowd to feed from and, yet, might be exposed saying, frankly, a lot of things that don't make a lot of sense? >> that's precisely the biden calculation. they know that they have to show to the country that biden can stand up there for 90 minutes and prove that he is still fit for office. and they have to get trump back into the camera frame, which he's really not been for the last year, and remind the country of why they voted trump out. yeah, that's the dual biden motivation, john. the hope, the bet that biden is making is that, you know, he's going to obviously stand and deliver and that trump is going to have a repeat of the performance he did in the fall of '20 when he had covid famously on the debate stage and really was sort of a rampaging, you know, for an hour plus. that's the biden hope, the country sees donald trump and says, you know what? i have some questions about biden's age and capacity, but, boy, i can't bring this guy back to my living room for four more years. i just can't do trump once more. that's certainly the hope and the plan. given what trump has been saying lately, he does seem more prone to some colorful explanations. i can't guarantee, susan, we're going to have the shark death versus the battery death underwater question, one of the great deliberations of our time. but we can hope. >> there we go. >> j-mart, brought up hannibal lecter again yesterday. >> what is the obsession with that? >> a good guy. again, the rambling just goes on and on. >> trump or biden? >> he is tougher than hannibal lecter. >> exactly. >> it is unfortunate. >> so how important -- talk about wisconsin and how important what we're seeing in the polls, showing that older voters -- >> yeah. >> -- especially the upper midwest -- >> yes! -- and older white voters in the upper midwest who were always considered to be trump voters, how they have broken toward biden. >> it's one of the most fascinating phenomenon. students of the midwest, like claire mccaskill, will appreciate this. i think especially in the upper midwest, wisconsin, minnesota, michigan to some degree, there's a healthy civic culture. there is a tradition of what politicians and what presidents look like and sound like. i think there's an expectation of a certain level of dignity, joe. if you are somebody who lives in oshkosh or la crosse, wisconsin, and you're 75 years old and a moderate, and you know what nixon and ford and reagan looked and sounded like because you were an adult for their presidency, i just think trump is pretty darn hard for you to swallow. i think it's a huge asset for joe biden. he does have older white voters in the midwest still on his side. he's lost them in other parts of the country. >> i mean, again, the milwaukee comments are just another reason why the campaign perhaps would have preferred he stayed in a courthouse and kept his mouth substitute. susan glasser, we'll give the final word to you this morning. >> donald trump doesn't like to stay in a corner and keep his mouth shut, does he, mika? >> no. >> you know, i think the more he talks, the more one is reminded that the very best campaigner this year for joe biden is very likely to be donald trump. >> yeah. >> susan glasser, thank you so much. >> great point. >> we'll be reading her new piece for "the new yorker" online now. and politico's jonathan martin, thank you, as well. >> thanks. >> thank you, jonathan. both of you come back soon. still ahead on "morning joe," house minority whip katherine clark joins us to weigh in on the supreme court's decision on the abortion pill and what it could mean in the fight over reproductive rights and health care. plus, the headline in today's "new york post" about president joe biden doesn't tell the whole picture. >> it is unbelievable. not only does it not tell the whole picture, it's a lie. that is a bold-faced lie. they actually cut out what he's looking at. we will show you what he is appropriately looking at. again, the fact that we've seen lies on the front page of the "wall street journal," the fact we're seeing this lie on the front page of "the new york post" -- and, of course, the campaign -- two murdoch-owned newspapers. we see the lies every day on fox news about this. i'll tell you, they're lying to their readers. at the same time, they're doing joe biden a great favor. willie, it's just -- it can't be a simple tease. the fact is, they're deliberately lying to their readers and sending disinformation to their readers in a way that helps joe biden in the end. because they keep lowering expectations. >> yeah. >> then everybody is shocked. oh, wait, he's great at the state of the union. he is great at the g7. then when the debate comes up, they find out they've been lied to again. >> yeah, the narrative is pushing very hard this morning. that photograph now picked up by morning shows on other cable news networks, entire segments done on them without showing the whole picture. we'll show you what he actually was looking at, what he actually was saluting when we come back in a little bit. >> exactly. >> also, willie, jack, i mean, it's friday. it is only friday. >> that means he is up early today. >> jack is up early today. >> yup. >> he wants to know what you've got for him sunday morning. >> here comes jack. >> do i hear his little feet running down the stairs, little saddle shoes coming down the stairs? >> tiny. >> 6'4", 230 pounds. >> huge boy. >> yeah, little pitter-patter of jack's feet, yes. >> thundering through the hallways, actually. well, i think jack is going to be very happy. jon bon jovi is my guest this weekend. >> cool! >> a special conversation at home in jersey at his place. >> fun. >> man, he is one of the all-time great guys, obviously, a music icon. i don't think a lot of people realize, he lost his voice, had risky vocal surgery two years ago. there was a good chance he'd never sing again. he's been working hard every day to get it back. bon jovi is out with a new album, also on the heels of the hulu documentary about the rise of the band. we talk about his life, his career, about new jersey, about whether he might welcome richie back to the band. a great father's day conversation with the one and only jon bon jovi, on "sunday today." we'll be right back here on "morning joe." 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two-thirds of american women live under a health care ban. an abortion ban in this country. we have seen the cruelty, the devastation, the injury that has happened as a result. and to have donald trump in town yesterday while they're serving him cake, the american people are under attack by his policies. he is the architect of the national abortion ban. he is the architect of overturning roe v. wade. to see them kissing the ring, wishing him all the best, while american women are literally fighting for their lives to get the health care they need. >> you know, we've already seen, and i don't know if this perhaps has helped open the eyes of even some republican women and men who might have been on the line about this, that this is health care. this isn't some weird, lazy thing, where you show up and say, i need an abortion, mifepristone or day after pill. this is life-saving procedures and treatments, and we are seeing women risking their lives, being forced to bleed out at home, becoming sterilized. it's not just sort of some elusive what might happen. it is happening now. >> that's right. >> are you wearing from constituents and others? is there an im% to the -- impact to the country? >> i would describe it as a roar of anguish. i go to red states, blue states, purple states. florida, texas, kansas. everywhere i go, people understand what is at stake. when donald trump wants to come into your bedroom, come into your doctor's office, and make a decision for your family on if, when, and now how you are going to have children, this is -- the american people understand this level of government intrusion into their lives. however they feel about abortion, they want to make that decision. women want to make it with their family, in consultation with their doctor, in accordance with their faith. they do not want the gop to come into those decisions. that's why every single time this has been on the ballot, it has won. in kansas, ohio, tennessee, kentucky. this is fundamentally about freedom, and it is so well understood. the republican party and the gop extremists are out of touch on this issue. we don't want to see our doctors criminalized. we want to make sure that when we show up in an equipment room, and this right is very much at stake in front of the supreme court this month, that when we show up in an emergency room, having a crisis and our pregnancy that could be threatening our lives, future fertility, that we get that care. that is the case in front of the supreme court, saying, not so fast. if you need reproductive health care, we want you to be denied that. >> right, right. >> just today in our defense bill, we have the house gop saying we're going to take a bill for our security, for the readiness of our troops, and destroy it in order to control women and deny our veterans and active military members health care. >> democratic congresswoman and minority whip katherine clark of massachusetts, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. despite yesterday's supreme court ruling, women living in states with abortion bans still have few options when it comes to reproductive rights. advocates in a number of states, including missouri, are working to get abortion access on the ballot this november. let's bring in nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk. tell us more about those efforts. >> hi there, mika. yeah, you'll see it in a number of states. florida, south dakota, a number of places. some of the most conservative places in the country voting on abortion. as you mentioned many times this morning, the story of abortion is really taking place right now in these states where bans are in place. yes, the supreme court is going to be dealing with a number of issues, but ground zero are these states. states like missouri. i had the chance to sit down with a woman whether has her own personal story and how she turned that personal story into her own activism. it tells a much broader story about what's going on in the country. >> what did you feel comfortable telling the doctors in the emergency room? >> my name. >> that's it? >> that's it. i just kept saying over and over, don't [ bleep ] die. don't say you took those pills. >> love holt had taken the abortion pill after buying it online, even though there is a total abortion ban in her home state of missouri. already a single mom of five, she worried going through another pregnancy would be too hard on her family. >> i would have been putting myself and my children at risk for not being able to supply them with income and food and housing because my work schedule would be curved. >> reporter: moments after taking the abortion pill at home, she knew something was wrong. >> i was bleeding out quite a bit. i kind of knew then, like, you're going to have to probably go to the hospital. >> reporter: she eventually went to the emergency room, reluctantly. >> i was in fear, honestly, that i was going to be carted away from my hospital bed to a jail cell, had they found out. >> reporter: missouri's ban is one of the strictest in the country. no exceptions for rape or incest. abortion is only legal to save the life of the mother. >> can a woman be arrested for getting an aabortion? >> not in the state of missouri. women in the state of missouri will not be prosecuted. the only ones that could be held liable are the companies and physicians for taking in this and preying upon women in these sensitive times, i guess you could say. >> is your story something you hear over and over again? >> i'm sorry. i wish my story was an isolated incident. it saddens me to know there are stories that even more egregious than my story. >> reporter: fear of criminalization is not isolated to missouri, according to the organization if when how, which provides legal assistance for abortion issues. in exclusive data shared with nbc news, calls to the if when how healthline spiked 875% after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. >> the impact of criminalization goes far beyond the numbers of people who are arrested. it is this much bigger question of people who are unable to get the care they need because they're worried, they're confused about what the law is. >> do you think black lives are at risk as a result of this overturning of roe v. wade? >> oh, yeah, 100%. legislators know it. we are the ones who don't have the resources to take a flight to a safe haven state and get an abortion. >> reporter: together with abortion action missouri, she helped gather nearly 400,000 signatures so that a proposed state constitutional amendment guaranteeing abortion rights would be on the ballot this november. >> what will you do if a majority of people in the state say, you know what, we want access to abortion? >> i will stand to protect life from womb to tomb. >> we know what is at stake. we're excited to have this win i know is coming in november. it's going to be like the greatest pivot of all of our lives. >> what's interesting about the state of missouri is that there was an effort to make it harder to pass an amendment to the state constitution, much like there was one in ohio that failed. it failed in missouri, too. lots of parliamentary rules inside baseball. ultimately, there were people within the republican party in missouri who were lukewarm on it. of course, now you have the issue on the ballot in november. it's unclear which way it'll go, mika. >> nbc's stephanie gosk, thank you very much for that report. coming up, we're going to go through donald trump's pitch yesterday to dozens of ceos for their support this november. and this clip was shared by an account run by trump's campaign. but there's much more to this video that millions of people are not seeing. we'll show you exactly what happened yesterday in italy. 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"the wall street journal" talked about the entire meeting yesterday with trump, and members of the senate and house did not mention the fact that donald trump said that milwaukee was a horrible city. so here we go. it's election season, and it's disinformation in the mainstream media. >> yeah. what mika just laid out, that's the definition of disinformation. they know. they know exactly what they're doing. they used an angle that told a different story than what actually happened to push a narrative. we're seeing it all over the place. it makes you, is donald trump worried? is this all they have? is the economy so strong, and inflation getting better? is the abortion issue such a problem that they have to change the subject? >> yeah. >> we've said it before, yes. joe biden is old. he is old, and sometimes he talks slower and moves slower as 81-year-olds do. donald trump is 78 today. if that's a concern of yours, that's totally fair, but play it straight. show what's actually happening out there. he was saluting the troops in that case. there was another video circulating the "new york post" yesterday suggesting that president biden awkwardly saluted the prime minister of italy. you watch the video. it was less than a second in the middle of a handshake. he puts his hand down like that. so they're trying aggressively, and let's be clear. rnc research is run by donald trump's daughter-in-law. she runs the rnc, and they're funneling that straight into the "new york post," onto fox news and apparently even into the "wall street journal." >> you know, the truth of that video shows that joe biden is really kind and wanted the talk to the -- it's unbelievable. >> giving the thumbs up. >> joining us. our troops. joining us now, barbara mcquaid. she's the author of the book, "attack from within: how disinformation is sabotaging america." >> and usually, barbara, we talk about disinformation taking place online, websites that somehow go viral or, you know, from communist chinese controlling tiktok and, you know, them pushing algorithms one way or the other. this is just out and out on the front pages of newspapers now, and it's also on fox news. this is the disinformation and the constant lies that in the end, benefit joe biden because they lower expectations for the debate, but it's still disinformation. >> yeah. in fact, this reminds me so much of something that shows up in the mueller report, a tactic that russia used in 2016. you know, i think when people hear the mueller report, they think about what he did or did not find about donald trump, but a huge part of the mueller report talks about russian disinformation tactics, and one of the strategies in 2016 was to make hillary clinton look old, look sick, look like she lacks stamina. that was one of the coordinated messaging points that robert mueller found was occurring between the trump campaign and the russian efforts to spew disinformation, and one of the themes this election cycle is that joe biden is too old to lead, and so everyone is seizing upon this, and it is a classic disinformation tactic to take a germ of truth. there is this video. he does look away, but as you point out, he is looking away to troops to salute them, but instead, if you edit it in such a way, you can make it appear that he fits this narrative, that he is slow, that he is wandering off, and so this is a tactic. i'm sure we're going to see it again and again, and i'm sure the best thing we can do is to prepare the american people for this false narrative. >> barb, it's interesting to me that disinformation is used in another way, also and it's to deflect from other things that are going on. when you do this, then people don't notice, ah, you know, it's interesting to me that yesterday all but two republicans in the united states senate voted against protecting ivf. that is stunning. that is just unbelievable. last week, they did the same thing on contraception. >> what is going on? >> but because trump is on the hill, and because that got a lot of coverage, and because they had this tape that they could use on morning conservative tv that is not accurate as to what joe biden was doing, it has not even been mentioned. that should shake the foundation of this country that the republicans refuse to protect ivf yesterday. so talk about how disinformation is used to say, look over here because if you look straight ahead, you're going to be shocked at what the republican party is doing. >> yes, you know, distraction is absolutely part of the game, and you will see leaders including donald trump, including vladimir putin, inject outrageous things into the headlines in an effort to distract the public from things that are bad. you may remember that donald trump himself resuscitated the colin kaepernick kneeling controversy when he was facing criticism over his handling of a hurricane in puerto rico. it is -- i'm going to say something outrageous in the news, something my supporters will say, yeah. look at that, and it'll get everybody talking about my latest outrageous statement, and not this bad thing that i'm being criticized about in the news. it's a tactic that putin has used in russia. he'll say something outrageous about the lgbtq community for example, instead of talking about some, you know, bad story in the news about him, instead suddenly everybody is talking about this outrageous thing that he said in the news. so in the same way, if there is a bad headline, we'll see it spewed out. this is also something, claire, that we saw leading up to the election. remember when the "access hollywood" tape came out. on that same day, that's the day when wikileaks released the stolen emails from the dnc because they wanted to get "access hollywood" out of the headlines and so instead, they published accurate, but stolen and certainly damaging email messages to own the headlines and get people talking about the palace intrigue in the dnc as opposed to the "access hollywood" tape. it's a technique we should be on the watch for. >> our former u.s. attorney, barbara mcquade, thank you very much. congratulations on this book. the timing is incredibly important. "attack from within: how disinformation is sabotaging america" out now. a great father's day gift, but a great gift for young american citizens learning about the atmosphere that they have to navigate, the political atmosphere. >> it's so important. >> thank you, barbara. coming up, ahead of the republican national convention, donald trump calls the host city, milwaukee, horrible. we'll go over those comments and how the allies are scrambling to explain what he meant. "morning joe" will be right back. at he meant. "mniorng joe" will be right back (vo) in two seconds, eric will realize they're gonna need more space... (man) gotta sell the house. (vo) oh...open houses. or, skip the hassles and sell directly to opendoor. (man) wow. 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the room. instead of being the cite of the rnc, milwaukee is also -- in addition to being the site of the rnc, it's also the largest city in the key battleground state of wisconsin. >> you had -- you actually have republicans saying, oh, you know, he never said this. >> tall boys? >> about milwaukee, right? he never said this about milwaukee, but he later admitted he said it about milwaukee, right? can i just say something? they're milwaukee. they're milwaukee. >> so good. >> but so they start, willie, by saying -- we're not saying this about milwaukee, right? >> we love it. >> then they come out and find out that trump has admitted that he said all these horrible things about milwaukee, and they go, oh. well, he was just talking about, you know, crime. then another guy said they're talking about i guess, the brewers' bullpen. help me understand. why would you do that? >> i don't understand either. it's so good. >> they keep making it up. just milwaukee -- milwaukee's wonderful. just drink it down, my friend. >> right. >> just drink it down. your thoughts, willie? >> i mean, opening the show with a pair of tall boys of the beast is just one of the great moves in the history of "morning joe." i just feel a little left out. i've got a lean cup of coffee sitting over here. that looks delicious. >> it is delicious. drink it up, friends. drink up milwaukee. >> it's good. >> this is a special place, right? i really -- i don't understand -- let's bring in a guy that knows something. >> yeah, he knows all about -- >> about old milwaukee. that's wisconsin's own charlie sykes. charlie, they can try to spin it. first they lied because, of course, they're trump republicans and said, oh, he never said that. his spokesperson said, oh, that's b.s. trump never said that, and then of course, we find out later -- mika, you hate beer. you don't have to pretend anymore. >> okay. >> and then later, they admitted that he said it, and were spinning the rest of the day. let's just say what it is. i mean, donald trump trashed the most important city in the upcoming 2024 election. you know why? because he's donald trump. >> yeah, and then by the way, joe and mika, you're making me thirsty. this is a farce inside of a fiasco. it was interesting watching local republicans struggling to get their stories straight after donald trump dumps on milwaukee. thank you for the montage at the beginning because look. i am a milwaukeean. i have been here for a very, very long time, and look. we have our struggles. there are messes. there are challenges, but this is a great city on a great lake in a beautiful region. the bucks, the brewers, harley davidson. we have a fantastic lakefront art museum, you know, symphony, ballet. wait until people see the range of restaurants that we have here, you know, donald trump comes in and dumps on all of this. now by the way, the idea of having this convention in milwaukee, and this was really the brainchild of reince priebus who has apparently learned nothing over the last eight years. i regret not giving him a copy of "everything trump touches dies." >> right. >> here we are, with donald trump trashing milwaukee, and of course, you can imagine how that's playing here, and so you're seeing republicans in, you know, denying it or coming up with various spins, but i guess the unfortunate thing is you know that, you know, given the trumpian media, this is going to be a talking point that, you know, goes from trump didn't say it or trump meant this to, you know what? trump was absolutely right. milwaukee is trash, but i think you made a key point here. >> right. >> milwaukee can't take it too personally. i think milwaukee's going to look gorgeous over the summer. we have these fantastic lakefront festivals, but trump says this about every major city. i mean, he's trashed new york. he trashed washington, d.c. he trashed baltimore. donald trump hates urban america, you know, and again, this is not a new story. it's not a breaking story. he wants to be president of the united states, but only the real united states. apparently not great cities like milwaukee, but -- but what a blunder. what a way to kick all this off, and if mika doesn't want that beer, i am definitely down for it later this afternoon. >> i will not waste it. >> we're going to fedex it to you. we'll fedex it to you. >> it's going to go in my plants. >> it's so interesting. a couple of years ago i was having a conversation with someone who travels all over the country, and i said, what's your favorite city in america? he said, that's easy. it's milwaukee. >> yeah. well -- >> he said -- he said, you just -- it's just -- you would absolutely love it. it's called the city of festivals for a reason. there's always something going on in milwaukee. of course, they've got great sports teams, but they've got this great urban downtown. they've got at incredible art museum, you know, georgia o'keefe is a milwaukee native, and they have the largest collection of georgia o'keefe artworks in milwaukee there. it is -- it's a really vibrant, wonderful city, and so again, it just shows you how clueless this guy is who lives in this palm beach, beach country club. >> he just doesn't feel like going anywhere. >> he lives in a skyscraper in manhattan. outside of palm beach and manhattan, he hates the rest america. >> and fun fact about milwaukee, it has a large polish population, willie. lots of poles there. >> it does, and what's nice about milwaukee is you could have chosen from any number of beers for your tall boy this morning. you went with milwaukee's best. i respect the choice. you could have done pbr. you could have done a miller high life, the champagne of beers, of course. and of course, giannis lives there which is sort of a closing argument. i will -- not to inject fact into this conversation for donald trump, but when they pivoted and said, no, he was just talking about crime, the murder rate is down 39% in the first quarter this year in the city of milwaukee following a national trend of violent crime dipping this year. the biden campaign -- >> good job, milwaukee. >> -- all over donald trump's comment of the president hosting the milwaukee bucks saying, i happen to love milwaukee. the campaign also -- >> there you go. >> -- is also selling t-shirts that read, quote, not a horrible city over a map of wisconsin, and milwaukee there with a star. meanwhile, the democratic mayor of milwaukee had this so to say. >> if trump is talking about things that are horrible, all of us lived through his presidency. right back at you, buddy. i would say that. trump is wrong about something yet again. i find it kind of perplexing and i find it kind of strange that he would insult the largest city in wisconsin, to insult the state that's hosting your convention is kind of bizarre actually. it's kind of unhinged. >> yeah. it is unhinged. let's also bring in the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief jonathan lemire, associate editor of "the washington post," and also a huge fan of milwaukee, eugene robinson, as well as washington bureau chief at "usa today," susan page. jonathan, a couple of weeks ago i said, you know, we're not sure if this trump trial is going to penetrate voters, swing voters, and whether they're going to notice. let me tell you who did notice what happened yesterday, milwaukee's most important newspaper, wisconsin's most important newspaper. they wrote it up on the front page that donald trump trashed their city, said it was a horrible city. >> "the milwaukee journal sentinel" led with that. as you might expect, no drink service at 30 rock this morning. >> sorry, guys. >> we'll have to work on that, but this is an unorthodox campaign strategy to say the least, to attack the biggest city in one of the biggest battleground states in this election. i can only imagine what donald trump has in store. say, philadelphia or atlanta or phoenix or detroit, like, just go after all of them. >> yeah. >> and to charlie's point, this is certainly an us versus them rhetoric he's used quite a bit, painting cities which are more liberal, more progressive, more diverse, as less american than the real red states and rural parts of this country. so that's nothing new. we should also note in 2016, the rnc when trump was nominated was in cleveland. he trashed cleveland too, you know, and then there wasn't an rnc in 2020. they had it at the white house because of the pandemic, but this is breaking through. you're right. we've seen the polls move just a point or two in the wake of trump's trial. it'll be forefront of the debate in just two weeks' time, but this is what the biden campaign has been looking for. trump out of the courtroom, back on the trail, making news -- >> exactly. >> and making news that hurts him, and this was such an own goal yesterday in d.c. >> well, and this is why, of course, the trump campaign wanted donald trump to stay in the courthouse. they didn't want him on the campaign trail. they don't want him on capitol hill. >> a gaffe machine. >> he says stupid things. he's a human gaffe machine, gene robinson, and he did it with milwaukee yesterday. i mean, you know, the thing he doesn't understand about these midwest cities especially when we were in cleveland a couple of years a for the convention -- how lon ago was it? was that '16? >> '16, yeah. >> the khakigate? >> the thing i noted about cleveland was, first of all, great city, but also the immense pride people took. when we would go around and say, where are you from? >> right. >> denver. we have been all over the place. oh, we're from denver. they were, like, cleveland. been here my whole life. i love it. i found the same thing with, like, milwaukee, like, people -- people in milwaukee, and it's not democrats in milwaukee. it's not republicans in milwaukee. >> it's everybody. >> it's milwaukeeans. >> it's everybody in milwaukee outside of the republican politicians who love trashing it. they take great pride in their city for a great reason. it's a great town. >> yeah, absolutely, and these cities like cleveland, like milwaukee that donald trump hates have -- have had such a rebound over the past couple of decades, and their downtowns are just sparkling and active and so much fun. that art museum that charlie was talking about designed by santiago called it, the famous architect. >> it's gorgeous there. >> it's gorgeous there on the lakefront. so that's a crazy thing for donald trump to say, right? but, you know, it just reminds men that he says crazy, irrational, weird, and -- >> mean. >> -- unhinged things all the time. he doesn't make sense. he doesn't -- he's not only -- there's something seriously wrong inside his head, and this is yet another manifestation. we're going to see it again and again and again because that's the way he is, and so yeah. i guess -- the biden campaign is just really, really happy that he's out there just sort of spewing it out. >> eugene, you know, i agree it seems counterintuitive for trump to have done this. maybe he's playing chess and we're playing checkers, but does it seem remarkable to you that it is more politically damaging for him to have said that milwaukee is a horrible city than for him to have been on trial for felony counts and have been convicted? >> yes. >> this is a clear political shot in some way that i have to admit, i don't fully understand. >> yeah. it is counterintuitive. you would think that being on trial and being convicted on 34 felony counts would certainly be more damaging to a campaign than an offhand remark. it just says something about, you know, let's face it. donald trump is indeed a unique figure in our politics, and i hope he'll always be a unique figure because i hope there's never anybody like him again, but that's kind of where we are. his loyal base, the people who have drunk his kool-aid will kind of stick with him no matter what, but you go into the -- into the city, you know, you talk about the city where you're going to have your convention in a state that you have to win if you want to have any chance of winning the presidency, and attack it in that way. that's just nuts, and you're going to take a hit. >> and charlie, as we look at the beautiful skyline of the city you know and love so much, and we hear gene talking personally about how moved he is by the art museum there, and just -- just the life there. it is -- it's an absolutely great city. i just want to get your final thoughts on this as it pertains not only to milwaukee, and i will tell you these wisconsin voters, which -- which strangely you enough, i would never have predicted this four years ago, but it looks like over the past year when biden has had trouble, wisconsin has been sort of a firewall because older voters, especially older white voters are surprisingly moving to joe biden, and a lot of it just has to do with the fact that -- it's sort of that midwestern common sense and midwestern values where there are a lot of people there saying, i might like some of his policies, but he's just not fit to be president of the united states. >> yeah, that's true, and by the way, it's great to see a picture of milwaukee city hall where i worked for many years. you know, of all the crazy things that donald trump has said in the last week, this is probably not the craziest. with everything that happened yesterday, the drunken uncle going back and having republicans kiss his ring, this is probably not the most nift -- significant thing, but it's going to stick. it's going to be mentioned every single day, if not every single hour during the rnc convention here in milwaukee. i will tell you one caveat, one of the things that, you know, the trump republicans are going to try to do is they're going to try to divide the rest of wisconsin from milwaukee and say, yeah, you know, milwaukee is this terrible thing, and have other people in wisconsin, you know, go along with that kind of view. i don't think that that's going to work because i think you touched on it. cities like milwaukee have a great deal of pride, but they also have a chip on their shoulder. they have a little bit of a sensitivity to this sort of thing, you know, back in the 1950s when, you know, the milwaukee braves defeated the new york yankees in, i believe it was the 1957 world series, remember there was a lot of sort of sneering about milwaukee, you know, being a small town and milwaukeeans resented that. >> right. >> so donald trump has messed with a city that, you know, we may here in wisconsin, be willing to criticize ourselves, and, you know, talk about the problems they have, but we don't need donald trump coming in and dumping on a city that we love, and that i think is going to really shine next month. >> yeah. >> msnbc contributor charlie sykes, thank you very much, and -- >> thank you. >> we salute milwaukee. >> there you go. >> cheers. still ahead on "morning joe," 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would we stand for sovereignty, freedom, and against tyranny? the united states, the g7, and countries around the world have consistently answered the question by saying, yes, we will. we will say it again. yes again and again and again. we're going to stand with ukraine. >> joining us now, former chief of staff at the cia and the department of defense, jeremy bash. jeremy, good morning. it's good to see you. i'm curious what you make of this ten-year bilateral security agreement kind of cleverly created off interest from frozen russian assets over the last couple of years. what does this provide ukraine right now? >> well, this is critical both symbolically and tangibly because president biden is saying on the world stage that the united states is going to stand up for ukraine, going to stand four square against putin, against tyranny, and it's a clear message that the united states is going to stand with our allies together with nato. one of the things that president biden is showcasing during his weekend in italy during the g7 is that america is back on the world stage. we are strengthening nato. we expanded nato. we are standing with ukraine and standing up to russia in the same way that president biden is saying we're standing shoulder to shoulder with allies to stand against iran which is fermenting violence in the middle east. its surrogate proxy, hezbollah is attacking america's ally, and standing up against china whose course of practices are undermining democracy in the west. this is president biden leading on the world stage. it's a stark contrast, willie, to what president trump has offered, which is america go it alone, america first, and obviously breaking our alliances around the world. >> you know, mika, it just -- it needs to be said. you have joe biden here with a schedule that would be brutal for anybody. >> oh my gosh. >> any president of any age going to europe, you know -- >> twice. >> for d-day, and spending five days in france, going over to the g7. >> in the middle of the personal struggles. >> mt. middle of the personal struggles. >> very public personal struggles. >> and yesterday even critics were saying that he did a strong job, very good job representing the united states even though again, we have some cheap fakes that the rnc, once again spreading vicious lies about joe biden, but that's just -- that's who they are. >> we should point those out. >> that's who they become. >> we will point that out in a second. >> but jonathan lemire, i was struck by that, struck by the strong message as well that joe biden delivered yesterday. i mean, the united states and our great al lice in europe have really stood shoulder to shoulder here. other than mike johnson and donald trump holding up badly needed security aid to ukraine, now that that roadblock has gotten passed and people who actually love freedom and love democracy and hate authoritarians who invade other countries, it seems to me we have them outnumbered as far as people in europe and america, they actually support freedom at all times unlike a lot of republicans in the house, but a very strong message. the united states followed the eu and its support, and now they get together at the g7 and another $50 billion going ukraine's way. how important is this for ukraine? >> first of all, both presidents, biden and zelenskyy, acknowledged the consequences of the delay in american aid that hurt ukraine's cause. now of course, it has reached the front lines and we have seen russia's offensive slow in part because of it as well as the biden administration's policy change that allows ukraine now to use u.s. weapons to target silents in russia that have threatened kharkiv. that's the good news story here. no doubt, and you heard the rhetoric. you just underscored the rhetoric from president biden saying that the u.s. will be with ukraine for as long as it takes, but jeremy, there is an asterisk to that. a lot of this measure right now is done to set up security for ukraine down the road in case the biden administration is still not in place, and we see the polls that show a dead heat. we also see that a lot of these european leaders are also politically weak at this moment, coming out of tough elections, facing poor poll numbers, facing upcoming elections. so it is a moment of uncertainty and colleagues at the g7 really point to a high level of anxiety among the leaders there. so talk to us about why it's so important that this was put in place to try to prevent trump from undoing things, but also talk to us about what would happen if trump does get into office, what changes could he make to u.s. support for ukraine? >> president trump has been pretty clear, jonathan. he said he could end the war in 24 hours which is really code for yanking support from ukraine, and i would even argue yanking support from nato, and that would embolden putin, and putin would say i've got a clear shot not only to work my will all the way to kyiv, but, in fact, maybe to go into moldova, in fact, to go into a nato ally, and to ultimately try to force the united states into living up to our article v obligations to defend nato allies and partners. so look. it's a split screen moment here. you've got president biden clearly leading on the world stage where he's got his allies standing next to him, talking about the importance of standing up to tyranny in russia, standing up to china's coercive economic practices, standing up to iran, and then you've got the split screen of donald trump saying, i'll give it all away to russia. i'll basically do any deal to even give away taiwan. he's suggested he won't defend taiwan. he certainly suggested he won't defend ukraine, and people say donald trump is transactional. i think that's a polite way of saying he will sell our interests and our values to the highest bidder, and president biden is articulating just the opposite approach. >> all right, former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense, jeremy bash. thank you very much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. and coming up, the supreme court rejects the latest effort to roll back access to the abortion pill. we'll break down yesterday's decision and the door it leaves open for future challenges. 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in the face of other challenges to reproductive rights. quote, today's decision does not change the fact that the fight for reproductive freedom continues. the stakes could not be higher for women across america. vice president harris echoed that take at an event yesterday. >> and i just want to quickly address the supreme court's ruling today on medication abortion. this is not a cause for celebration because the reality is certain things are still not going to change. we are looking at the fact that two-thirds of women of reproductive age in america live in a state with a trump abortion ban. this ruling is not going to change that. this ruling is not going to change the fact that trump's allies have a plan that if all else fails, to eliminate medication abortion through executive action. so we must remain clear-eyed about the threats to reproductive freedom in america. >> yes. and yes. >> yes and yes. so susan page, it's so fascinating. yesterday brett kavanaugh sounded a good bit by john roberts when he refused to strike down obamacare which john roberts said, do not ask us to do on this court what you can to in the ballot box next year. yesterday justice kavanaugh's reasoning seemed to be, don't ask us to do what either congress or the fda could do better, and so there is -- there is all the reason in the world to be worried about who's going to be running the fda over the next four years, so it remains a potent political issue. >> because of course, this decision was based not on the merits of medication abortions or access to medication abortions. it was on the standing of those who sued in this particular case, and so that -- i think that's what vice president harris was trying to allude to. this leaves the door open to other challenges by people who might have moral standing or as the decision itself said, encouraged those who had medication abortion to go to regulatory agencies, to go to congress, to go to state legislatures to try to get what they didn't get in the court yesterday. it's a reminder that we're going to continue to see ivf access, access to contraception, access to medication abortion continue to be in play in the united states over this year and beyond. >> gene, it's fascinating just yesterday even to see donald trump on capitol hill in those closed-door meetings with members of the house and the senate effectively saying to them, stay away fro this. stay away from this abortion issue i created by these supreme court justices getting them on the court. he has run for the hills on all of this including the alabama supreme court decision on ivf. he knows it's a toxic issue for him in this election, and yet the biden campaign can say rightly and clearly that it's because of him that we're in this place because of those three justices. >> yeah. you heard vice president harris call it a trump abortion ban, say that two-thirds of -- excuse me. child-bearing women in this country live under a trump abortion ban. you are going 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♪♪ ♪ one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight ♪ ♪ we're gonna do it ♪ ♪ give us any chance, we'll take it ♪ >> so, do you come to milwaukee often? >> milwaukee has certainly had its share of visitors. ♪ nothing's going to turn us back now ♪ ♪ straight ahead and on a track now, we're gonna make our dreams come true ♪ ♪ doing it our way ♪ ♪♪ >> it's over! the bucs have done it. the milwaukee bucs are nba champions once again! ♪ we're going to do it our way, yes, our way ♪ ♪ for me and you ♪ absolutely. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's just before 8:00 a.m. in our favorite city of the morning, milwaukee. welcome back, everybody. that's a city that donald trump trashed yesterday. he called it horrible. milwaukee, of course, is host to next month's republican national convention, and the largest city in the key battleground state of wisconsin. while speaking to house republicans, trump called milwaukee, quote, a horrible city. the comment was first reported by punchbowl news' jake sherman and confirmed by someone in the room and heard it. however, trump insists to fox news he was only referring to crime in the city and the way the city runs its elections. by the way, murder rate is down in milwaukee. it's a great city. when he wasn't insulting milwaukee, donald trump was basking adoration of republicans lawmakers. they clustered around him in a group clapping for spanky. hallie jackson has the details of yesterday's meetings in washington. >> great meeting. there's tremendous unity in the republican party. >> reporter: a show of political force as former president trump rallies republican leaders around him. >> i'm with them a thousand percent. they're with me a thousand percent. we agree just about on everything. >> reporter: but in the shadow of the capitol, the specter of the january 6th attack looming large in mr. trump's first visit to the hill since then. outside one stop, protesters holding a sign reading "failed coup." suzanne collins and lisa murkowski, no-shows at the senate meeting, citing conflicts. mitt romney and mitch mcconnell attended. mitt romney hadn't spoken with mr. trump since his 2020 loss and previously described the former president as morally responsible for the capitol attack. now, a thaw. ali vitali with the gop leader. >> senator, how is it seeing the former president? >> we had a good meeting. >> reporter: in a series of closed-door conversations mr. trump aired his grievances on everything from nancy pelosi to the justice department. the president also given an early birthday cake. [ applause ] >> reporter: multiple sources say mr. trump on abortion access acknowledged the issue had cost republicans, expressing support for policies that include exceptions even as some conservative states implement stricter bans after the former president's appointment of supreme court justices who later helped overturn roe v. wade. >> what does it say to you about the republican party with mr. trump's visit to the hill today? >> he is the choice of our voters overwhelmingly. he is the leader of the party. >> there was energy, enthusiasm, excitement. >> reporter: including several in the running to become mr. trump's vp, a pick set to be revealed in the next month. >> i think probably i'll do it the way it's usually done. >> with us, we have a member of the "new york times" editorial board mara gay, former msnbc host chris matthews and former democratic u.s. senator al franken joins us as well. chris, we could talk about milwaukee, but i also want to talk about that shot of trump surrounded by his followers -- let's put it that way -- republican leaders clapping, clapping, clapping. i'm sorry to make the comparison, but i have to. joe biden would tell them to stop. this man needs so much from his followers. i guess they made a decision here. a lot of them made a decision between self-respect and reality. your thoughts? >> clearly there's ted cruz there. he made fun of his wife, he made fun of his father, said he had something to do with killing jack kennedy. it's awful. lindsey graham mystifies me that he's applauding there. of course, they should remember that in green bay, wisconsin, not far from milwaukee, donald trump also said there needs to be some form of punishment for any woman who has an abortion. i hope they keep remembering that. they keep forgetting, the democrats. mr. trump is on the record, on tape saying that. that was his initial, frank, if you will, belief on abortion. now he's all over the place trying to talk about exceptions. i'm thinking of philadelphia, which is leading the division in baseball by almost 700% in wins, and the brewers are leading their division. you know, people not just in south philly drive their cars to the phillies games. it's all over south jersey, all over the entire state of delaware. it's all over southeastern pennsylvania. it's not just the city. it's everybody in the neighborhood roots for the team, especially when they're doing well. so he's got to be careful when you start insulting cities where people really do have their neighborhood. that's where they root for. they pick up the paper and say, how'd the phillies do? you make fun of major cities. people still consider them their downtown. >> i'll just note that the phillies just lost 2 out of 3 to the red sox this week. senator franken, this is not just republicans showering donald trump with applause and praise. they're doing so in the shadow of the building where so many of them had to run for their lives on january 6th from a mob that donald trump incited. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell who that night, the night of january 6th, 2021, with sharp words denounced donald trump and said he would be held criminally responsible for what he did. yesterday he warmly received him back to the capitol. >> he did that in his speech when he announced that he was not going to vote to convict him, right? that was the speech where he said there's no doubt that he's responsible. and he did one of those speeches which had the but in it. i think howard fineman wrote about that and said that there is that but, which is the most important word in a lot of politicians' speeches. and he says, but this is that the court should take care of. i don't think he believed that there was immunity for the president when he said that. yeah. so i don't think mcconnell had talked to trump in four years since that time. >> one of the reasons we had you on today was to talk about howard fineman, and we'll do that in just a moment for sure. looking at that video and seeing is these republicans bend over backwards to welcome the man in the place where he incited a riot and that place was trashed because of him. people are in jail because of him. and yet these people are willing to do this. i mean it in all honesty. we've already lost 50 years of rights. how can you trust any republican who supports donald trump at this point, which is most of them, to defend women in the face of other battles ahead when it comes to our freedoms and our rights and our health care? >> looking at this room that i don't want to be hyperbolic, but it has a feel something more akin to what you would see out of state media from north korea than it does from the united states, just the obsequious flattery. it takes us back to 2016 when there were many reasonable, smart americans who said to themselves, well, i don't really like either candidate, but how bad can trump be? i think there was just a failure of imagination about how bad things could get, about how much of a threat this man and his movement really was to democracy. i think this is a moment to reexamine these stakes, which are even higher, because of course, this is a candidate who has said if he was elected again, he would have an entire term based on retribution. it's very clear that the republicans, the american political party that has allowed themselves to be corrupted by him, there are very few people left in the room, if anyone, who will stop him from desecrating this democracy, from using the country's institutions to dismantle that democracy. so you wonder, you know, will we even see the same kind of moments of political courage that we did from some republicans on january 6th? it doesn't look like that's the case. it looks like those people are no longer anywhere near donald trump. and what's left is a room filled with people who will do anything that he wants and says. that should send a chill down the back of every american. we really should be thinking about that, because voters have a tendency to forget how bad it was under donald trump, but also a lot of people didn't think it was going to be that bad. we should use our imagination. things can get much worse. >> joining us now, senior spokesperson for the biden/harris 2024 reelection campaign adrienne elrod is with us. there's so much material to work with. joking aside, where does the campaign begin with the latest antics from former president trump making his comeback to the capitol, the site of the january 6th riot, but also these incredible threats to women's reproductive freedom and health care? >> mika, thank you for having me. it's a couple of things. number one, i think the overarching theme of this campaign, the ultimate contrast between president biden and donald trump is that president biden is fighting to expand your freedoms. he wants to lower your costs, expand your personal freedoms. donald trump is fighting for himself and to seek political revenge from his enemies. that's exactly what he would do on day one if he walks back into that white house. i listened to your conversation all morning about the supreme court ruling. just to reiterate and underscore the fact that yesterday's supreme court ruling does not change anything. if donald trump came into the white house, he's made it very clear that he will do what he can to limit access to abortion. there's a lot he can do without the supreme court. there's a lot he can do without an act of congress. he can take executive actions to limit abortion pill access. he can take executive actions to continue to support a ban in all 50 states that gives women access to abortion. so, yes, vice president harris has made it very clear that 1 in 3 women right now live in a state where they cannot access abortion. they have to drive to another state. they have to take extreme means to go somewhere to get an abortion, especially if it's a life-saving abortion. in light of yesterday's ruling that we continue to make it clear that donald trump wants to take away the personal freedoms of women to make their own decisions about their bodies. president biden is doing everything he can, by the way, within the limitations of being the president to try to stop this and do what he can to protect what's left of a women's right to make her own decision about her body. >> i note that the biden campaign has wished donald trump a happy birthday. the e-mail lists 78 things he did this year, which includes a bunch of felony conditions. happy birthday, donald. you're a crook, a failure and a threat to our democracy, economy, rights and future. donald trump is only three years younger than president biden. many in the right conservative media with a picture of president biden seemingly wandering off in italy, when really, as we showed the full video earlier, he was turning to congratulate and salute some of the troops who just parachuted down to greet some of the world leaders. how do you combat disinformation? >> thanks for raising this. we have to point it out where it is. we have to make it clear that disinformation is alive and well. we have to use surrogates and voices across the country to combat this and make it clear that not only do we not play this game, but to your point, president biden was out there literally representing america at the g7, saluting our troops, doing what he does as president of the united states. we're going to see more of this. this is just the reality of campaigning in 2024. so we have to combat that disinformation and hit it hard when it happens and make it clear that these are dirty tactics that maga republicans are using. they can't run on the issues. they have to use dirty tactics because they are not right with americans on the issues. we're going to do what we can to combat it. it does take voices of surrogates across the country. it does take the media to call it out. it does take social media platforms to point it out as well. we just have to call it out where it is and do everything we can to push back against disinformation, because we're going to continue to see more of it and it's important that we call it out when we see it. >> you mentioned surrogates to call it out. i see your fingerprints all over this fundraiser, hollywood fundraiser that is being put on by the biden campaign. talk about a-listers, you guys have put together something pretty big here to make a pretty important point. tell us about it. >> yeah, mika. i'm joining you live bright and early from los angeles for the event that's taking place tomorrow. we still have tickets left if people are in the los angeles area and want to go to joe biden dotcom and buy tickets. julia roberts and george clooney are putting together the event. jimmy kimmel is moderating the conversation with president biden and president obama. jimmy kimmel has spoken a lot about his son's health struggles and has talked openly about the affordable care act, how his family has benefitted from that act but also how he can't imagine other citizens in this continue not being able to get critical medical care for their children who have preexisting conditions. it's going to be an incredible conversation. you're going to see jimmy kimmel talking seriously about issues but also having some fun and light hearted moments. we have jack black that is going to be speaking. we have a number of celebrities, surrogates in the audience who will be here, a number of elected officials. we also have some surprise guests, which i will not give that away. if anyone wants to come, we still have plenty of tickets available online and we would love to have you. >> senior spokesperson for the biden/harris 2024 reelection campaign, adrienne elrod, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> chris matthews, joe biden seems to be firing on all cylinders. correct me if i'm wrong, what does the company need to do at this point? you see him on the world stage in normandy, his speech there, his meeting with survivors of d-day, his dinner at the palace with president macron. now he's at the g7, he's working on the $50 billion loan for ukraine. he's dealing with major family crises with his son going to trial, managing that and standing up for the rule of law and saying he will not mar don -- pardon his son. if you were saying the campaign needs to do, dot, dot, dot, what would it be? >> when he was at normandy, just like ronald reagan, he understood the role of history and the american psyche about who we are and who we've been as a country. i think he needs to talk about the patriotic string of our country. i would talk about not just the history, but what was done fairly recently in history, like the peace corps and the moon program, the space program, fixing up the roads and bridges. i'd carry it forward. i'd talk about the iconic things people think about, going over the road, going over the bridge right next to baltimore which is being fixed. i'd talk about 95. i'd talk about all the roads, all the way we're going into the future, in other words. i'd talk about this leading into the future and what he's doing to build the future, whether it is the peace corps, the space program and road building and bridge building. i'd talk about the future and bring that patriotic streak into 2024 and 2028. we're learning that supreme court justice clarence thomas took at least three additional undisclosed trips on the private plane of gop mega donor harlan crow. according to documented obtained by the senate judiciary committee, thomas traveled in 2017, 2019 and 2021 within the united states and to indonesia. the justice has come under scrutiny for his failure to include the trips on his financial disclosure forms. an attorney for thomas defended his disclosure practices, arguing the information crow provided fell under the personal hospitality exemption and was not required to be disclosed by justice thomas. the documents did not list the cost of the trips or why thomas took them. senate judiciary chairman dick durbin wrote, the investigation is producing new information like what we revealed today and makes it clear the court needs an enforceable code of conduct, because its members continue not to meet the moment. al franken, does clarence thomas even care? he could have disclosed that. he was called out for nondisclosure. that's the time to get it all out there, right? he doesn't even care, does he? >> it is puzzling, because he's had this problem before many, many times. as each one comes out, you're just kind of wondering, well when are the next three. >> right. >> evidently somebody's going to find out about them at some point. why not just come clean with all of them? the whole pattern is having this guy pay for his son's education and where his mother lives and then all these trips. there seems to be a drip, drip, drip that is -- why don't you just get them all out there, unless he thinks there's so many you can only do three at a time. >> yeah. it's crazy. makes no sense. >> let's bring in democratic senator sherrod brown of ohio. so good to see you this morning. let's start here with issues on the supreme court. latest revelation is from justice thomas, adding to the litany of questions surrounding the court's conduct in recent weeks and months. yet, they continue to rebuff any efforts to have any ethics oversight. what needs to be done? >> i appreciate what senator durbin and senator whitehouse are doing to try to hold them accountable. it's one thing after another after item. it makes the public more cynical with this court coming down on making these wrong decisions. i think about what the court did two years ago in roe, and i think about my race against a hand-picked candidate by the former president who's wrong on abortion rights. he says he's 100% pro-life, no exceptions. that's what's at stake in this election and many election and many others. are we going to allow women to make these decisions or politicians in columbus or washington who want abortion bans make these decisions? >> we heard from the supreme court yesterday on the abortion pill, letting it stand, but making it clear it was just because of standing, leaving the door open for future challenges. at the same time in the senate, there was a vote to protect ivf rights for american women and families, and that failed. republicans voted against it. what's going on here? >> the republicans are not giving up on abortion. again, my opponent wants a national abortion ban, so do many others. it shows what's at stake. i ask people to come to sherrodbrown.com and make their voice heard because they don't give up. they look at the fact that this court case that never should have been brought, and they are unrelenting. ohio passed by 57% a constitutional amendment in a state that people think is pretty deserve by 57%, an amendment in support of abortion rights. they don't care about that. they want a national abortion ban. they're trying to undo that kind of decision by ohio voters. that's what's at stake in this race and so many others around the country. >> so many reproductive rights are just on the chopping block right now. but it was surprising to see the measure to enact protections for ivf fail. can you just give americans a sense of whether there's actually room to negotiate to kind of enshrine some rights into law? and what happened there? is there really no broad support for something like ivf in the senate right now? >> probably if you count murkowski and collins -- >> for the broader measure, right. >> no. they come up with other compromise bills, but they're not compromises. ohio women, i know in all parts of the state ohio women don't trust people like bernie marino on abortion rights. they know their position on supporting women and women's health care. people have said don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. they continue to aggressively, actively try to take away women's rights. voters have spoken loudly and clearly. their arrogance and certainty on this and following like sheep what they conceive is their political base is just wrong. >> senator sherrod brown of ohio, thank you so much for being on the show. have a great weekend. >> thank you. i want to turn back to chris matthews and al franken. this week we lost veteran journalist howard fineman. president biden paid tribute to howard by saying, great journalists hold up the nation and reveal the good, the bad and the truth of who we are as americans. for four decades howard fineman was one of the great journalists of all time. >> he had this sort of medical sentence hanging over his head for more than a year and a half. he took it like -- it's an old expression, but it means something to me. he took it like a man. he just took it. he knew what he was facing and how it was going to end badly. until there, he was there in the room, on the porch in his house, i sat with him like al franken did. we sat with him and he was totally there and he knew exactly what was coming to him. joe has talked about this with me and you know this. these shows like "morning joe," they make it because of who comes on the show. i mean, you really do. it's not just a couple personalities. it's these people that show up. howard would have his notebook out. i used to watch him. right before he'd come on air, he'd be taking notes at the white house. he was deeply sourced. he was coming with facts, with reporting. he was a great reporter. he was a great reporter. and he was always reporting. we used to kid because we're about the same age and we would kid about how i was groucho marks and he was george fennman. he was always there with the facts. he was just there on the porch with me. i hope i can always remember that with him and his beloved wife amy and his kids nick and meredith. he was so happy with his family. he really loved them, and they were number one with him all the way. >> al franken. >> can you talk a little bit about your connection with howard fineman and your memories today? >> well, i was a big fan of howard's before i met him. i met him on a plane going from chicago to des moines in 1987. this was going to the iowa caucuses to do some reporting. i was at "saturday night live" at the time. i had a satellite dish bit that i was going to do there. this maybe had something to do with show business versus journalism. howard was in coach. i asked if howard could come up and sit next to me. we got to know each other and became fast friends. he returned the favor by inviting me to the savory hotel to have drinks with all the press corps where i got to meet them. it was a fascinating window for me into this world that you're in of reporting and of journalism. i was very impressed with everyone. but howard was beloved by, i'd say, the whole press corps. you've seen the outpouring of millions of reactions online now. it speaks to the kind of guy he was. he was a really good friend of mine. he had a deep and wide understanding of america and american history. and of nfl football. when kirk cousins went from the red skins to the vikings, he told me you're paying tom brady money for kirk cousins. he was right. cousins has a great arm. he just isn't mobile enough. so we overpaid for him. everything chris says is true. he was an amazing family man. the outpouring that i've seen from journalists and his cohorts is just massive. >> former senator al franken and chris matthews, thank you both very much for being on this morning. we appreciate it. thank you. coming up on "morning joe," we'll go through donald trump's meeting yesterday with dozens of business leaders and the policies he's floating if he wins another term. 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>> donald trump yesterday also met with at least 80 ceos in washington, promising tax cuts and regulation rollbacks if reelected. that is according to cnbc, citing people who attended the meeting. people at the meeting also said trump floated lowering the federal corporate tax rate from 21% to 20%. his pitch to business leaders comes as his 2017 tax law which slashed rates from 35% is set to expire next year, but not all executives are buying trump's plan, including our next guest roger hockschild worked for george h.w. bush, a republican. tell me what you heard from president trump yesterday. >> it's not surprising that trump would want to spend time with ceos. he's all about money and power. to your point, trading off policy promises against things that help these companies and hurt the american people. but i think if you talk one on one with any ceo, they could not say with a straight face that trump is qualified to be president. his failures as a business leaders were so numerous you can't count them. on a personal level, convicted of 34 felonies, liable for civil fraud, liable for sexual assault. but just a terrible leader. what's ironic, none of these companies would ever consider hiring him as an employee, consider him for the board of directors. i'm not sure, again, you could say with a straight face they think he's qualified to be president. >> there's some reporting out of that meeting yesterday that some ceo's leftconcerned about baffled by trump. let's talk about the ceos and the calculation they have to make. they can make their money in a flourishing, functioning democracy which would be potentially at risk if donald trump wins. walk us through some of the compromises some of them may be willing or unwilling to make. >> i'm not surprised by that reaction. if you take rex tillerson, the ceo of exxon, he was part of the first trump administration and had horrific things to say about how scattered, disorganized trump was. i think as business leaders, there are short-term benefits traditionally associated with a republican administration. you talk about lower corporate tax rates, less regulatory intensity. surely all these big companies would love to have more lax anti-trust enforcement. tax breaks for the wealthy, which apply to these ceos individually. putting those first is such short-term thinking. it's like mortgaging your company's earnings just to make the numbers for one-quarter. the long-term economic chaos that a new trump administration would bring, if you look at what politicians he's talked about, deporting 15 to 20 million people would have a devastating impact on the economy, on the construction industry, on agriculture, but also that would impact every consumer. it would bring back inflation. it would worsen the housing shortage. broad tariffs, both very high ones on china would bring back inflation, bring chaos to these companies' supply chains. if you look at the policies he's talked about for his next administration, i can't imagine any ceo would not be -- >> let's bring in andrew ross sorkin. he's also a columnist for the "new york times," editor at large at newsweek, tom rogers joins us. also joining the conversation is "new york times" best-selling author rashir sharma. his new book is titled "what went wrong with capitalism." andrew, more take-aways from trump's meeting with business leaders. what was the reception like? >> i spoke to a number of the ceos who were at that meeting yesterday, a number of whom had been predisposed to former president trump, in fact. they walked away from that meeting, i think, a bit disheartened, a bit questioning -- i don't want to say his mental fitness, but questioning just how meandering. one said to me, he could not keep a thought straight. he would go in one direction and then another direction and there wasn't necessarily a through line to the way he spoke or what he was even talking about. at one point, he discussed his plans to bring the corporate tax rate down from 21% to 20%. apparently at some point in the meeting was asked why he had chosen 20%, and he said, well, it's a round number. i think that unto itself had a number of ceos shaking their heads, given that 1% of the total tax burden on the country is actually a huge number in terms of what is needed to support the revenue for this country. while i do think there are policies and major policy differences between president biden and the former president trump and that many in the business community think ultimately that some of the policies that president trump would enact may very well be better at least for business than the ones that president biden has on offer, i think there was a concern about whether we were going to see a similar movie to the last presidency where there were so many different issues that came up and made their jobs not easier, but ultimately harder. >> there have been moments where the business community stood up to donald trump. they swiftly denounced that happened in charlottesville and then again after january 6th. that's not happening right now. despite all that's at stake on the ballot this fall, outside of some concern in that meeting, we haven't gotten a real outspoken moment from the ceos and business leaders. >> you're absolutely right. it's a stark contrast. it was a real coalition of ceos who were willing to speak out forcefully against donald trump in late '20/early '21 on the democracy issues. while you could say there are a bunch of other groups not being that forceful now too, labor unions and others, that the contrast with where ceos were and where they are now was very stark. yesterday was a great day to drive that contrast between biden and trump on business. andrew did a phenomenal interview yesterday with treasure secretary yellen, and i heard her at the economic club later that day. she put together how the infrastructure bill, the chips act, the inflation reduction act and its impact on green industries and combatting the leadership china is developing in those key future industries and how nobody's done more for the business community in terms of legislative package and leading than those legislative achievements represent. donald trump did none of that, talking about 100% tariffs on top of rounding up, as the previous guest said, millions of workers for deportation. that's only going to drive inflation. i think the policies donald trump announced yesterday, we should be calling him all about make inflation surge again. that's what he's about. >> let's connect this conversation to what we're seeing with trump with the themes in your book "what went wrong with capitalism". >> i think the point i make in this book is that it's a deep investigation. why are so many people in america today disaffected? why are biden's approval ratings so low despite the fact that the economy seems to be doing okay? the numbers show nearly 70% of americans think the economy is not doing well and the system needs to be torn down, in that sort of language. most young americans today, particularly democrats, think they would rather have socialism rather than capitalism. in the book what i try and do is to investigate how did we get to this place. why are so many people feeling down on capitalism today when it's supposed to be associated with america? and the answer i have is this has been a bipartisan project of deteriorating fundamentals on capitalism in america for the last so many decades, like you mentioned here about donald trump talking more tax cuts again. is anybody really talking about the fact that we have a budget deficit of 6% of gdp today, and the attitude across the aisle is all the people scare mongering us about deficits, nothing has ever happened, so why should we bother about this, right? but we're getting to a stage now where this is getting really sort of out of control and no one is talking about that in a serious way. biden has gone out there and he's spending a lot, but there's no talk about are they going to reign in spending. trump wants to come and do more tax cuts. where is the fiscal control that we should be having? that's a fundamental problem with capitalism today. >> when you talk to americans, as you know, on the street, when you talk to voters about deficits, their eyes glaze over. >> yes. >> can you help us understand how americans are feeling this in their everyday lives? where is that disconnect that is not working for them. >> trust in government is at a record low. if you look at economic mobility and social mobility, they're all at record lows. people feel that capitalism today is no longer about equality of opportunity. now, capitalism always leads to inequality of outcomes. today in america, just 35% of americans today feel they will be better off than their parents. 50 years ago, 70 to 80% of americans felt they would be better off than their parents. i try to address in the book how we got to this state, why people lost faith in capitalism. i trace the 100-year history of why this has happened and why this had been a bipartisan project leading to such little faith in the economic system. >> speaking of rampant capitalism, elon musk looks like he is going to get a massive pay package after he spent a lot of energy fighting for it. tell us what he got and what it means. >> well, he had been granted a pay package back in 2018 that if he hit a number of targets that people thought were impossible, he would get as much as $56 billion. a judge in delaware just this year overturned that contract, saying that it was not in good faith and that the 73% of shareholders who approved it back in 2018, that effectively they will be duped. what did the board of tesla do? they said let's do the vote all over again. now there's a massive fight over there shareholders say we don't want to pay you $50 billion. in fact, that week they have said that again, 77% of shareholders voting in favor of reinstating the pay package from 2018. it means that he is firmly in control of the company. it is a rebuke in many ways to the critics of elon musk and of tesla. in response to all of this, what's happened? shares of tesla are up on the back of this news. >> the shares at tesla may be up, but way down from their highs, while every other major tech company hits new highs in the stock market. elon musk may have won his compensation package, but he's not putting the kind of effort into marketing that really drives tesla cars and, more importantly, the whole ev revolution. it would be great if he put that kind of effort into that kind of marketing rather than pushing a compensation package. he's got a real branding issue. there are an awful lot of people because of twitter, because of anti-semitic remarks, the drift toward trump, where tesla is suffering a real branding problem. you have a ceo who says i'm going to take my ai efforts and put them elsewhere if you don't pay me more. that, again, reflects badly on companyleadership. he's got a lot of efforts that he needs overcome. >> thank you. the new book "what went wrong with capitalism" is on sale now. thank you all very much. by the way, this week's episode of "morning mika" just dropped on peacock and youtube. we talk about how kids and some a lot of them are not okay and how for so many young women dating men has become a total nightmare. my co-host jen psaki, symone sanders townsend and huma abedin and i discuss the reasons why and what we can do to bridge the loneliness gap. our viewers also shared a ton of solutions to the dating in the digital era challenges. you can watch the entire episode by searching "morning mika" on youtube. it's also streaming on peacock. it's a good one. we also want to wish a happy father's day to all the dads out there, including one of our viewers, world war ii veteran david marshal of baldwin, new york. the 99-year-old served with the army's 84th infantry division. his unit landed on omaha beach on november 1st, 1944. marshal later fought in one of world war ii's largest and bloodiest battles, the battle of the bulge. he was in normandy last week for the 80th anniversary of d-day. we are told the father of two, grandfather of six, and great grandfather of two is a loyal viewer of "morning joe." wow, well, we are honored, so we want to thank david for his service and for watching. thank you, sir. we're back in two minutes. i c breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. long live life and long live you. ask your doctor about kisqali today. what do you think this documentary is about? >> slave play. >> slave play. >> slave play was recently nominated for a record breaking 12 tony awards. >> but also in whole about me. >> over the next few hours, things are going to be hard. >> i'm an actor, okay? >> i'm not white. >> i wanted to invite us to truly imagine all of the ways slavery still lives with us. >> phillip! >> like a dog? >> yes, lake a dog. >> no mother [ bleep ] i'm the prize! >> okay. so let's like process. >> that was a look at the new documentary with the title "slave play," not a movie, a play. the film goes behind the scenes with tony-nominated playwright jeremy o'hare ris as he workshops his play. slave play which first ran on broadway in 2019 received 12 tony nominations and dealt with the legacy of slavery in america often shocking audiences in the process. at the time of "slave play's" premier, "the new york times" called it one of the best and most provocative new works to show up on broadway in years. and the playwright, jeremy o. harris joins us now. he is also the director of the new documentary. jeremy, thank you so much for being here. let's start, just refresh audiences' memories about the play itself. >> what do you want to know? >> tell us why "the new york times" would call it one of the most provocative works ever staged. >> here's the thing, i say it in the doc, and i say it all the time. i don't tell people what slave play is about. i invite them to watch it. watch it, read it, or google it. everything's on wikipedia. the minute i tell you it becomes a fact. >> so why then now this documentary? >> well, so the documentary it's too convoluted a process of how i ended up making the documentary, but the reason why now is because i think that i'm a theater advocate, right? i'm like a theater supremacist, if you will, and part of my excitement about this documentary is that it gets to exist like that great ephemera of theater that used to exist all around us in the '60s, '70s, '80s inside the actor's studio or the penny baker doc about company, which was like a failed musical but someone decided we need to like have this documentation of this amazing -- a moment when people were trying and failing to commit this musical to a sound track. so i'm like i want to add to that history as well and give fans of both the theater, new people who have never seen the theater an entryway into the process of making a play. >> jeremy, i saw the play in 2019. it was a really amazing experience. it does have a lot of shock value. we're now in a very different moment in which we see across the country lots of republicans especially creating laws to take away discomfort whether that's learning about history, things that happened in this country, so why do you think it's important to not just shock audiences but to really ask them to kind of contemplate their own role in culture in american history. >> that's so -- thank you for framing that question that way because, like, i think that -- i'm from virginia, right? i'm from a place that is completely embattled. i have a 13-year-old niece, an 8-year-old nephew, and a 7-year-old niece. so i'm witnessing the ways in which their education, their understanding of themselves and the world around them are constantly being policed by people who do not want them to articulate to the world the ways in which their lived experiences as young black kids in the south might be very different than the lives of the white kids at their private school in danville, virginia. and a lot of that difference of the ways in which our lives are experienced come from a history that people have to reckon with, and so i think that like i am -- i am not shocked by anything because i know my history, right? and i know what that history looks like when looked through a lens of media, which is what the play is also exploring, and i think that i want to live in a culture where in 100 years, 2 200 years people are not shocked by this history. they are aware of it and able to move with a stiff backed awareness of how to never repeat it. >> all right, well, the documentary with the title "slave play. not a movie. a play" will debut thursday june 20th at 9:00 p.m. on hbo and will be available to stream on max. jeremy o. harris, thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> thank you, guys. so kind. that does it for us this morning. thanks for watching today and all week long. have a good weekend everybody, we'll see you on monday. ana cabrera picks up the coverage here on msnbc in just one minute. ere on msnbc in just one minute with chewy, save 20% on your first pharmacy order so you can put an end to the itch. get flea and tick medication delivered right to your door. 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