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0 biden has spoken with the president of poland. we are expected to hear from him at any moment. this as we learn vice president harris will be visiting poland on monday. also secretary of state antony blinken will hold a news conference in brussels. thank you so much, brit hume, for joining us on "outnumbered." "america reports" starts right now. >> has to be separated. >> we got border and then had to say good-bye and he had to go back. >> john: fox news alert to kick off "america reports" this friday as ukrainians fight for their survival and heart wrenching moments from the battlefield. john roberts in washington, hi again, sandra. >> sandra: hello to you. sandra smith in new york. fox news learning moments ago the white house will be sending vice president kamala harris to poland monday to meet with a bipartisan congressional delegation and secretary of state antony blinken is in brussels. he will be speaking moments from now. we'll have his remarks for you. all this happening after meeting with nato allies on moscow's invasion. this after a heavy artillery set a building on fire at europe's largest nuclear plant located in europe. in ukraine. that briefly raised concerns of a radiation release but the head of the u.n. atomic watchdog says there has been no such leak. l>> john: camera-equipped drones capturing the scale of devastation, a smoldering apartment building destroyed by russian airstrikes, as they make significant gains in southern ukraine. the sound of gunfire resonating in the port city of mariupol where constant fighting is underway, plunging the city into darkness, knocking out most phone service and raising the prospect of food and water shortages. >> sandra: try to cut resistance to cut the country off from the sea. another round of talks yielded a tentative agreement to set up safe corridors inside ukraine to evacuate citizens and deliver humanitarian aid across the border. washington to kyiv, we find trey at this hour. trey. >> sandra, good afternoon. fighting erupted overnight at a nuclear power plant in enerhodar, ukraine, a city in the southern part of the country. officials say no radiation leaked amid the battle, it is significant as this is europe's largest nuclear power plant. russian forces have seized the plant, the incident left the international community on edge with concerns clashes were taking place so close to radioactive material. the russians in control, it supplies ukraine with the 25% of the energy. zelenskyy had this to say about the attack. >> russian people, after we fought together in 1986 against the chernobyl catastrophe consequences. you must tell your authorities, go to the streets and say you want to live, that you want to live on earth without radioactive contamination. >> the shelling and gunfire at a nuclear power plant comes as russian forces move closer to the ukrainian capital. tanks and soldiers crossing into the kyiv region. intense air campaigns against areas just outside of kyiv with schools and residential buildings hit in the past 24 hours. the shelling is often indiscriminate and comes today as president putin of russia commissioned a ferry, and he spoke about the situation saying russian has no ill intentions to its neighbors. scenes tell a different advisory. president putin saying there are no ill intentions but yet civilians are dying in the streets of ukraine. residential areas being hit. as we talked about the southern sport cities, mariupol surrounded as ukrainian forces are being closed in on. back to you. sandra, john. >> john: trey, i noticed on the map the russian forces out of crimea are moving to the northwest, that is right up the highway from where they were in kherson and it's just a little ways away from odesa. looks like they are travelling the main roads to cut off odesa. >> absolutely, it's the plan of the russians to move forward from crimea, they have gone through kherson, the city in the south, and they are going to be able to take over the cities pretty quickly once they move more forces in. what they are trying to do is establish a clear front line here in the south. it will give them not only a supply line but also easy movement of russian forces. from there, experts believe they will try to make their way north and connect with the forces who are working their way down from places like kharkiv. that will take many, many days. but it's significant because they already have the russian-backed separatists in the eastern part of the country. connect those with the troops north of kherson, they'll be able to control a large portion of eastern and southeastern ukraine as they continue with the invasion. >> sandra: as you stand there reporting live from kyiv you have been on the ground there from the very beginning as we have seen and heard and seen various reports in recent days, harder and harder for journalists to continue to core the war. a glimpse into your day today and how it is to hang in there and continue to tell these people's stories. >> look, our coverage continues around the clock. there are millions of ukrainians who without journalists in the country would be left voiceless. so, it is dangerous to be here but it's important to stay to tell their story. they are the true story here and as they continue to try to simply survive amid this chaos and invasion, the bottom line and the message from so many ukrainians, they plan to stay and defend their country but don't want this to be happening. they were living in peace, this capital city of kyiv, a population of nearly 3 million people. it was bustling. got here, bars and restaurants and cafes and museums. today it is totally shut down, there are no shops open, checkpoints every single block, and russian forces miles away. sandra, john. >> sandra: trey from kyiv, thanks very much. we'll check back in with you shortly. meanwhile, the u.s. continues to move forces towards europe's eastern flank in response to the invasion and to avoid any misunderstanding between russia and the u.s. military, the pentagon set up a direct communication link with moscow, known as a deconfliction line. but first, jennifer. >> we have new information about how some of the training and equipment the u.s. and allies have had an impact and slowed the russia military advance, especially north of the capital where the convoy has been stuck for days. ukrainian forces blew up the bridge at the front of the convoy. a u.s. defense official says the blowing up of that bridge by ukrainians north of the city has had a big impact on halting the convoy. we spoke to the senior u.s. defense official who is overseeing the delivery of weapons and security assistance to the military, $60 million package was transferred to ukraine by november of last year as concerns about russia grew. in late december the white house authorized $200 million worth of military aid and that aid by the end of january, that had all been delivered, we are told. in terms of the $350 million in u.s. military aid announced last friday, we are now told $240 million worth of it, about 70% to include anti-armor capabilities, have arrived in ukraine. the rest should be coming in a matter of days. u.s. defense officials have been very impressed with how ukrainians are fielding these weapons, a real impact. these are weapons taken from existing stockpiles of u.s. weapons not bought on the open market. the process to get these weapons normally takes months, we are told, given all the bureaucracy, but "we have compressed the process to hours and days," that according to the senior u.s. defense official who speaks with ukrainians every day to coordinate the weapons shipments. and also extensive training, we are told, extensive training program for the ukrainians on this equipment, including what was described by this defense official as just in time training in december, in the december time frame, so they were already familiar how to use the weapons, especially the anti-tank missiles. remember the florida national guard and operations trainers in ukraine until hours before russia invaded, some of them had moved out to lviv and were continuing the training up to the last moment. total u.s. assistance since 2014 to ukraine, $3 billion. $1 billion of that has come in the last year alone. we also have more information on the deconfliction phone line, it's staffed at stuttgart, germany, and under the pursue of todd walters, act as a direct line, and told by the senior defense official it was set up march 1, tested a few days ago and the russians did answer. >> sandra: we are watching for the secretary of state blinken holding a press conference, and also john kirby live from the pentagon. jen griffin, thank you very much. see you shortly. >> john: come over here to the touch screen and bring in retired general david patraeus, former c.i.a. director. any time zelenskyy or the ukrainian parliament are on television they talk about the no fly zone, put nato aircraft across the skies of ukraine like this, declaring it the area where no russian air assets could fly. kurt volker suggested yesterday perhaps a no fly zone maybe here in the western part of the country, sort of west of kyiv as a humanitarian corridor, but the ukrainians want it across the entire country. where do you come down on the idea, general. >> you have to enforce a no fly zone and that means u.s. aircraft, we are not certain the countries whose air fields we may logically use would support this. you have to keep in mind, remarkable nato unity, something we have not seen since before the end of the cold war and i'm not sure the answer of the question can we fly out of this country or that country would give us theens a we want. again, the whole problem here is starting at the very top in nato, in washington, and in other capitals, there is a real concern about having a direct confrontation with russia that could expand this conflict and turn into world war iii. that's the issue. now, clearly as the continued horrific attacks, barbaric attacks, the crazy, stupid attacks around a nuclear generating station take place, as we see civilian casualties mount and civilian infrastructure struck indiscrim nately, russia is violating the rules of engagement we work very hard to follow, we make mistakes but we were trying hard to follow the rules established, there is going to be understandably more and more concern. i had this conversation with your colleague martha yesterday and look, it is understandable you and i and others on the edges of this say we must do something. the problem is if you do something and you get into a direct confrontation with russia, you may come to regret that. so right now the leaders of nato, keep in minds, the leaders of nato, it's not the secretary general, it is the body, the 30 heads of government of the countries that comprise nato, they clearly have been very, very cautious, arguably prudent in this regard, though our humanitarian impulses, obviously, lead us to want to do more than it is that we are doing right now. that's understandable, but those are the very top, get paid to take the very tough decisions that they have in this case. >> general, let me ask you about what's going on in the south. forces out of crimea are working on a couple of axis here. gone through kherson, and basically following the road out of kherson, to lead them into odesa and get behind it and cut it off. the same time, forces are moving up to mariupol, bombarded, almost completed the land bridge to donetsk, and six reactors, a big facility, the biggest in all of europe. i know you talked about the recklessness of the russian forces attacking about you now that they have control of it what is the strategic asset of this for russia and what could the potential outcome of their occupation of it be? >> well, it could be to turn out the lights, if they so choose to do so, to stop generating power, keep it all working, but stop generating power using the engineers inside to do what they want them to do at gunpoint. but you are right to identify on the map these two offensives, one going west to try to isolate as you say odesa and watch and be wary about an amphibious assault, and then east, to correct to the donbas, controlled by the russian supported separatists and that would separate it from the sea and the two major ports. mariupol and then odesa on the black sea. that would be very significant because it would cut ukraine off from that particular shipping route. it's very important to the ukraine economy and now they would be completely dependent what comes in by land from the west. so, that's one very much to watch. i think that the resistance in odesa will be quite -- quite significant. i think that's where you'll see the ukrainians try to draw a line. once again, we'll see what russia has done in other cases when there is this very effective and couragegous and determined fighting by the ukrainian forces and citizens and they will just back off and begin to destroy the city piece by piece. that's certainly what has happened in kharkiv, it's tragic, it's certainly what has happened, beginning to happen, of course, in kyiv, a much bigger city, nearly 3 million people and russian as we have discussed before has a history of doing this, in aleppo and syria, and chechnya, but reporters like trey, the intrepid, courageous reporters on the ground, and tightening the screws and economic and financial and diplomatic sanctions and other creative ways of supporting the ukrainians without putting our soldiers, air, marines directly in combat with russians. >> john: even impossible for russia to get a full hold on. general, a minute left, the flow of arms coming into ukraine, obviously flowing in from latvia, lithuania and estonia into poland because nothing is flying in now, coming up across from germany, through to poland and poland by land into ukraine. can we resupply ukraine quickly enough to allow it to remain effective against russian forces and what happens if russia says you know what, the arms shipments coming in, those are targets and we are going to attack those. >> they have not shown a particular ability with air power so far. they have not even grounded the ukrainian air force. they can bomb indiscrimnately and they have been doing that. you heard jennifer griffin's report, nearly 300 million in the last week or two, and i'm quite confident we can continue to do that. the question, john when they encircle kyiv entirely, if that happens, and perhaps ultimately just the weight, the quantity of russian forces has a quality of its own, even the quality overall is pretty marginal, that's going to be the concern. can you still get them through to the cities that are besieged by russia, in particular kyiv and kharkiv, and odesa as well. >> john: general patareus, thank you, we'll speak with you again soon. appreciate it. >> pleasure, john. >> sandra: brand-new video seen for the very first time right now out of ukraine. brian on the breaking news for us. >> new video out of the russian parliament which has voted unanimously, 401 to 0 to enact a brand-new law that makes it punsishable, 3 to 15 years for spreading fake information about the military war that is happening in ukraine. this is a major step forward for -- major escalation by russian authorities and vladimir putin to go after dissent there in the country. at the same time, reuters is now reporting, sandra, that russia has blocked facebook inside of russia. this is coming from russia's communications agency, they have cited 26 cases what they call discrimination against russian media and information resources by facebook since october of 2020. again, this also comes at the same time we have seen the top independent radio station and top independent television station in russia have stopped operations after threats from russian authorities. talking about whether or not the pressure in russia would be enough to force putin's hand but he is clamping down dissention, punishable up to 15 years in prison for anyone who spreads what they deem as fake information of the war, they call in russia a special military operation. sandra. >> sandra: brian, we'll get back to you. refugees are pouring into poland fleeing the russian inflation. >> we were driving for six days to get to the polish border. during this time we were basically living in the car. many people are going and like the roads are closed, like jammed six days, nonstop, barely not sleeping, you know. so yeah, we got to the border and then we had to say good-bye and he had to go back. >> connell mcshane reporting live for us. he is there in poland at a train station, connell, what's happening there now? >> well, there are people coming in every few hours, a train will come in from ukraine and what we have sensed, and i think we can pass along to you, when you read out numbers, 2 million leaving ukraine or 700,000 coming into poland, what does a refugee crisis or humanitarian crisis really look like? this family has been a few hours, marissa is here with her grandmother, mom is here to speak with other people who spent time on the train with them, they are from kharkiv, hit so far, little dogs had a long trip with them as well. she picks up her own story when they all arrived in the capital city of kyiv. listen to this. >> when we went to kyiv we then started to like full bomb and then when we came to the railway station in kyiv it started to bomb from the sky and it was really scary. just came here and bomb exploded something. >> you saw that happen. >> yeah. >> at the railway station. >> yeah. >> wow. >> the rockets, they, like near the railway station they were falling, and it was really scary. cannot explain how it was. we were praying every second that we were in kyiv. >> they finally got out of there, praying every second they were in kyiv, there's the dog, he's had a long few days and so has the entire family, but they are here now, get on another train and head to a different part of europe later today. that's what we are hearing guys over and over again, so, you know you are going to hear more of that, just as a challenge for the european union as we have been talking about throughout the week. the numbers will grow. this is just one family. 1.2 million total, 700,000 in poland, a war still raging and everybody predicting the numbers are only going to multiply in the weeks ahead, and so will the stories like you just heard. john, sandra. >> john: one of the reasons there are not more people across the border, in eastern cities of kharkiv, and others, it's impossible to get to western ukraine and across the border into poland. but if the ceasefire in certain areas takes hold and the humanitarian corridors are opened up, we could see hundreds of thousands more people, if not millions fleeing suddenly for that border with poland. >> exactly. it's a really good point. if you think about this particular family, for example, that's three days at least, right, since they left. they are from kharkiv, so they left, they make it to kyiv and then they finally make it here and the other thing we heard, we were speaking to someone else who made it here yesterday from lviv, in the western part of the country where it's been relatively safe and what she also added to us, adds to what you are saying, that part of the country is getting really crowded. it's almost impossible to get on a train in lviv, so many people that barely made it out of the east before the fighting got terrible, not all the way across the border but moved west. so you have the people caught in the east, and the west who have not made it here, and the third group, the ones who did make it out, and that group is above a million, think about that, in just a week. >> sandra: connell, we are taking in the images you continue to bring us, the babies behind you, the strollers, dog, the little beagle we have all been reacting to. it is just quite remarkable and a lot of people waiting. >> i'll tell you what -- i think the most remarkable part about all of this, sandra, like marissa here, on the phone, and we have been talking to her all day, you know, and she's just a perfect illustration of what the people of ukraine have been through. they have been through so much over 3, 4 days. the camera in her face, she's smiling, up, taking selfies with us before, you know, she shouldn't -- she has no right to be acting that way. she should be much more upset. but somehow they are able, i mean, i don't know how they are doing it, frankly. for us, just, i think, we talk about it when we are not on the air among ourselves, it's really hit us how impressive these people are, after everything they have been through to still be handling themselves this way, i've never seen anything like that. >> sandra: telling their stories, connell, thank you very much. see you again soon. >> john: update from the secretary of energy, jennifer granholm, tweeting about the power plant, it's important the plant is designed to withstand significant shelling, we have seen no elevated radiation ratings, they are extremely responsible, safely taking two reactors off line. they have one operating at partial capacity to keep the power grid stable but took every measure necessary to try to stop something catastrophic from happening at the nuclear plant. so, that is good news to report. americans are feeling the economic side effects from russia's war on ukraine. national gas average price for a gallon sky rockets to 3.84 today, nearly $0.20 increase from two days ago. we have fox team coverage on this, charles payne for analysis but first of all, jeff is live in philadelphia, waiting two days for the price to go down and jeff, it's not going down. >> john, i'll tell you, you watch the images out of ukraine that connell just provided, you know, seems like a small price to pay perhaps if it can do some good, but nontheless, it takes a bite out of people's pocket books. and we were here yesterday keeping an eye on things. 4.09 at one station, 4.19, 4.05, shop around. up $0.07 on thursday and now up $0.11 to average of 3.84. diesel the same thing, even worse, up $0.14 to 4.26, the average gallon of diesel right now. and we are close to breaking records for all time records for both diesel and regular gasoline, just to talk to andy, the noted oil analyst who told us what he thinks is going to happen. >> i expect national retail price of gasoline will hit 4.25 per gallon, and that exceeds the record that was set back in 2008 of 4.11. >> that is of course just an average, john, and here in philadelphia, as well as places like new york, as well as california paying a whole lot more. just got this news in, you know, baker hughes, keeps an eye on how many oil rigs are out there in the u.s., talked about increased u.s. production, they tell us in the last week there were 0 now rigs added, so that does not bode well for future production. u.s. producers are chomping to bring prices down and help the folks in europe and ukraine put more oil into the system. >> john: bulletin from the financial times, c.e.o. of pioneer natural resources says the united states will be unable to replace crude supplies from russia this year. so the price of gas likely continuing to march upward. thank you. >> sandra: and let's bring in charles payne, i'm sorry, my mind was just so occupied with everything going on right now and you look at the energy situation and you and i have had a chance to take a deep dive into this. and then you wake up after that employment report here in the united states on jobs, and while it's good news, it was better than expected, that's great. ron klain, chief of staff to president biden tweeted this. biden economic plan is working, capital letters, and getting people back to work. i don't know how out of touch that is, considering the national average for gas prices, flock just showed it to us, straight up, nearly $4 a gallon. oil prices, 113 a barrel, and rising, and you have the average american family, a report from the joint economic committee, the average american family, due to inflation, is paying $385 more a month out of pocket to fund that inflation. >> it's amazing, really is. and it was a good number, but the most important thing was wages. they were unchanged month over month, at 5% year over year. >> sandra: wages here, inflation like this. >> we'll find out next week when the c.p.i. number comes in. >> sandra: consumer price. >> consumer price index, the inflation number. this might be one of the worst months in the last year with respent to real spending, real wages. >> sandra: you would not know that. the jump in jobs is grabbing the headlines. wages are stagnant and inflation going up, that's eaten up by the high prices. >> i expect 600,000 job in a month. i would expect a million in a month. i'm glad 300,000 people came back to the workforce. we are still missing millions out of the workforce. so one hand, ok, it's fine, we are not breaking out the pom-pons. it's getting worse for people. all they do is brag about stuff at the most inappropriate time, by the way. >> sandra: the energy policy is not working, obviously at the center of a war happening right now, and while the united states and see what the white house has to say a short time from now, the united states has not "banned" russian oil, the american oil companies, this is remarkable, are self-sanctioning. saying we don't want it. and i have a guy coming up, tim, we'll have him on the program next hour, he is knee deep in the oil market, a pipeline engineer here in wyoming and he does not know the motivation, doesn't know if it's because the american companies don't like the morality of receiving the russian oil or just not beneficial to them at this point to take on the risk of bringing it over on the tanks, but they are saying no to it before the ban actually happens. >> even more i am president sieve or intriguing, in europe, the euro oil, on wednesday, nine tankers, at least 100,000 tons each and got 0 bids, 0. they did get a bid, breaking news, got a bid today, shell bought some russian oil today, $28 discount. biggest discount in history. so you know, if it gets low enough some people will buy it, morals or no morals. europe, natural gas, up 89% in the last week, 982% in the last year. and u.k. natural gas, 991% in the last year. >> sandra: the b.p. purchase of russian oil is not necessarily coming to the united states. so we could still report 0 purchases. >> in this country we have been pushing back. even in europe they have fought against it. but 28 buck discount, they took some. >> sandra: it is something. john. >> john: sandra, the bottom of the hour and back to the war in ukraine now. russian forces seizing the largest power plant in europe after an overnight attack. vladimir putin ramping up his use of air power to launch hundreds of missiles and artillery attacks. but ukrainians not giving up, many vowing to fight to the very end. trey is live in kyiv with the latest for us. trey. >> john, good afternoon. a few moments ago we heard more explosions around the ukrainian capital of kyiv. cannot distinguish whether it's the air or the ground, but gives you a sense how close russian forces are to the capital city. officials are concerned the forces to try to surround kyiv and ultimately cut it off before moving deeper into the city. we know as of yesterday the ukrainian president when he spoke to us here in the capital has pledged to stay and fight. the images coming in from across the country, not just enerhodar, the southern ukrainian town where the nuclear power plant is at, but mariupol and other cities intense fighting and shelling. outside of kyiv, damage to civilian areas how destructive the russian strikes are. but people are pledging to fight back. new video of civilians making molotov cocktails, destroying bridges, anything to slow the russian offensive. and here in kyiv, large metal barriers set up, cement blocks and sand brought into the roadways to slow what is an expected russian offensive. if this does happen, you will see bloody urban warfare taking place in the ukrainian capital. president putin is expected to hammer the city, according to u.s. defense officials as he tries to work his way in. the latest we know tonight, explosions taking place. last hour, there were air ride sirens throughout the city and people bracing for the days to come, extremely violent as president putin ramps up attacks not only military targets but civilian areas. and you can hear in the distance, john. >> sandra: brian, update as much as you need to, stay safe, obviously. seems it's a quickly changing situation as we have seen on many of these nights as you head well into the evening hours, we see activity pick up. >> absolutely. it's happening all around the clock here, but at night we have seen a number of shellings take place and the outskirts of kyiv and early in this conflict, the early days of the invasion, the russians were sending in advance forces to gather basically a reconnaissance mission, come back with how much resistance they are going to face and there were bloody street battles. we saw the cars and the trucks riddled with bullets, blood on the streets of this capital city and that's the concern in the coming days. as the russians, if they decide to move the large convoy to the northwest of the city forward, then you can see similar fighting inside the city limits. and with the ground and air campaign as heavy as we have seen so far, millions, literally millions of civilians caught in the way amid the crossfire, it's part of the reason we have seen so many try to flee and part of the reason there is a little bit of good news out of this conflict. the conversations taking place humanitarian corridors to allow the civilians to get out of the line of fire. >> john: i wanted to ask you about that convoy that still seems to be stuck northwest of the city and the longer it stays, it's been there almost a week now, the more fire it takes from ukrainian resistance who apparently have done significant damage to it. and blowing up the bridge over the river, might the convoy get stuck out there and become useless? >> look, that's the hope of the ukrainian military. they are definitely hitting the convoy, responding to what have been devastating scenes in places like a city along that river, and as they move forward they are going to try to stop as many of the russian troops outside the city limits as possible. longer they can hold the russian troops out of the city, the more time they have to get supplies and weapons into the ukrainian capital to reinforce the efforts, not only by soldiers but civilians here. you saw the images of people gathering anything they can. if they can keep the forces outside of the city, it will allow them to prepare because it's not just the northwest they have to worry about. russian forces are continuing to make progress from the east and we also know the south, although it would take them days and days to get here to the ukrainian capital. it is a concern, the multi-prong approach to target the city and ultimately overthrow the government. >> john: see you back again soon. >> sandra: into the newsroom, new video for the first time right here out of ukraine, brian, back with the breaking news, as we know there are more and more trying to flee ukraine right now. >> sandra, that's right. this is new video of tearful ukrainians who have made a huge trek from kharkiv all the way to lviv, and lviv is really obviously some 650 miles, about 650 miles away from the city of kharkiv. they have made this journey. it takes 13 hours to get to the border on a good day by car. these are people who according to reuters we know one woman with a child says if they are on the 16th floor of their apartment building and hearing explosions and the child is shaking, we know about one other woman who says she was waiting for six hours maybe, she got, she had arrived, they had arrived from kharkiv at 5:00 a.m., and that everybody is exhausted and another woman talking about travelling there with their kids says they cannot sleep, cannot eat normally because of the terrible pain and anxiety they are all experiencing as they are trying to get on these trains in lviv to make it out of the country after a dangerous trek from the eastern part of the country, from this country's second largest city. we also have the video, we keep seeing the videos of pianists on the border playing for refugees. listen. [piano playing] >> there are just hundreds of volunteers on the border there trying to help these families and children who are just experiencing so much torment and anxiety and this is just again, this is the type of thing we have been seeing for days, sandra, people either playing music or giving out food and providing humanitarian assistance they need. 1.2 million ukrainians have fled, over 600,000 in poland. >> sandra: beautiful scene of the pianist, heartbreaking to see the babies and the refugees as they flee the country. >> john: great to see people stepping up to help. while russia continues the heavy shelling of kyiv, and kharkiv, our next guest says president putin's main target of the assault is ukrainian civilians and may be a turning point in the war. we are joined by a ukrainian member of parliament. maria, you represent districts in kharkiv. what is the situation there now for the people? >> well, we have reached this point of the need in terms of humanitarian aid and green corridors. that's why all our political efforts and diplomatic efforts were united in the line of parliament and ukrainian government, calling on international red cross, which is in ukraine, implemented the mandate to develop the links with local authorities like kharkiv itself, you see the situation there, many people are staying in their basements for several days with no electricity, heating, water, food, that's why we have some delays in the response. now we see there was also peace talks around 2:00 yesterday in belarus, where our representatives managed to, let's say, facilitate the issue of the ceasefire which didn't take place. russians are not providing that. and the green corridors. also seen trains in kyiv and kharkiv, people are taking too long to get on. [inaudible] >> john: maria, we are having a little bit of a problem with your audio. we are going to try to reestablish that. you know, when you look at the scenes of devastation in kharkiv and to the northwest of kyiv, and sumy, to the northwest of kharkiv, it's clear the russian military has extended the operation beyond military targets to include civilian targets as well. do you see this as being a very, very disturbing change in the way that the russian forces are pursuing this aggression? maria, can you hear me? it seems we are having some problems with maria, not surprising. she is in the middle of a war zone where bombs and artillery shells are falling all around. we will try to get her back and get more from the situation on the ground there for maria. meantime, let's go to sandra. >> sandra: dan, first your reaction from what you were able to hear from the ukrainian member of parliament and obviously reaction to putin's main target, civilians. and her thoughts. >> yeah, exactly right, sandra. it is clear that the humanitarian crisis is building by the hour in ukraine, and we are watching it unfold, the whole world is watching it unfold before their eyes. putin obviously does not care that he is slaughtering civilians, and i have to say, sandra, i'm beginning to be reminded of the scenes we saw last year at the end of the mess in afghanistan. i mean, that ended up being a tremendous humanitarian crisis that the whole world watched and here we are again, currently a million ukrainian refugees have fled, it could be 5 million refugees leaving ukraine, across the border with poland and other surrounding countries, and it's as though there is nothing that can be done about it to stop putin from creating a humanitarian crisis. the taliban did not slaughter civilians, vladimir putin is doing exactly that. >> sandra: you have a lot of people talking about your new piece in the "wall street journal," ukraine changes everything, you write, saying europe's long failure to deter putin, like defund the police in america. spending on defense and national security needs to rise significantly in light of the putin army moving west and the threat from china, this as europe's equivalent of defund the police. will there be lessons learned, dan? >> i think the lessons are being learned. we are at the point we have to begin, start thinking into the future what is going to happen when as seems likely putin and the russians occupy ukraine. if they do that, and they secure ukraine in the coming weeks and months, i think that we have entered what you would call the second cold war. that would mean ukraine would become in effect iron curtain country in a newly soviet ties to russia, with all the countries adjacent to it, the former iron curtain countries, now the nations of the west. it does appear the europeans, western europeans have responded to this. there is recognition, scales are falling from their eyes of the reality of vladimir putin. we saw just days ago german chancellor saying he would double defense spending. opinion in germany is turning from passivist to defending themselves. the question i raised, whether the president of the united states will similarly recognize the new reality by saying the united states will have to increase its spending on security and national defense, and there's no indication of that in the state of the union the other night. >> sandra: indeed there was not. dan henninger from the "wall street journal," thank you for joining us. we know antony blinken will be speaking shortly, he is on the ground in brussels, when he begins speaking of course we will take that live. >> john: we were expecting it about 20 minutes ago but president biden was having an event at the white house, i think they were waiting for that to conclude before the secretary comes up. part of a larger trip he is making, which will also include stops in poland, he'll go to moldova, which is that little country that is sandwiched between the southwest border of ukraine and romania, and then baltic states, the leaders of which they believe they are in putin's cross hairs, if he is successful in capturing ukraine, may reconstitute the western border of the former soviet union taking the baltic states as well. keep in mind, if he moves on those three countries, they are nato members, invoke article 5 and chaos. >> sandra: and the white house just put out a statement that kamala harris will be sent to poland to further discussions, and await a white house press briefing in the next hour. >> john: the pentagon coming up as well, john kirby at the top of the hour. continuing coverage from across ukraine and the world, factories are turning out improvised weapons. >> new images from the nuclear facility, trucks going in and out of that nuclear facility. the information, of course, from the i.a.e.a., despite a fire at a training facility, the safety mechanisms remain intact, reactors were not damaged and no elevated levels of radiation. people pitching in for the effort, tremendous resolve to either join the fight or support it. >> in a war effort like this, all hands on deck, every skill can be useful, certainly metal work is one of them. in this warehouse district on the edges of lviv, we found them making roadblocks. >> we are making gates before the war, now we need to support our army. these can stop tanks and heavy armored vehicles. putin is [bleep] if he thinks he is fighting the military, but he is fighting the ukrainian nation. >> one of the finished products is called the hedgehog anti-tank roadblock, not sophisticated at all, eye -- i-beams, and railroad ties, they can slow down advancing armor. so they take the hedgehogs, load them on trucks and send them to where the fighting is, kyiv. and they are seeing these things pop up on the streets and you have the people out here to the western part of the country not only making the roadblocks, but stingers, jacks that pop the tires of the trucks that are on wheels and not necessarily the tracked vehicles, but seen people making molotov cocktails, shipping them to kyiv, camo netting, anything to pitch in. >> sandra: your guest there, the ukrainian civilian on the ground, words saying that putin thinks he's fighting the ukrainian military, he's fighting the ukrainian population or civilians, not exactly sure what he said, but so much analysis has been putin's under estimation of the ukrainian people but that was a ukrainian himself making that statement. >> and putin's miscalculation that he thought he would come in here and be welcomed or at least not face as much resistance the way he did when he went into crimea in 2014. one thing i have heard again and again and again, it's not 2014. not only is their resolve different, they have better weapons and clearly a lot of patriotism and unity. >> john: so mike, i see the resourcefulness of the ukrainian people where you are is remarkable. but the weapons are being shipped to where the battle is in kyiv, and other places east of there. are they resigned to the fact the battle may come to them and defending their own cities as opposed to shipping these wares elsewhere? >> they think they are in the war and they are part of the war. in the short-term, i'm not necessarily convinced if putin will come west. you look at the targets around lviv, hit a couple of air strips, and attempted helicopter insertion that the mayor of lviv says fighters repelled whether they made contact with them at the airport. but it's possible that was just the paratroopers marking a target and got back on their helicopters and left having completed the task. so, let's see what the future holds. i'm not entirely convinced putin will come west. >> john: even if he does, it will take a while to get there. mike tobin in lviv. >> sandra: an american company, mike, thank you, is responding to ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy's request, donating a million rounds of ammo, from manitowac, wisconsin. >> unique donation, it's not food, blankets and clothing and toiletries. for those who have fled the country. this is going straight to the men and women on the front line, and the ammo they need the most is for the ak-47. it's a little bigger than this ammunition here. this is now being sent to the folks over there, a million of these. what does a million rounds of ammunition look like? come over here, let's show you. each of these crates carries about 60,000 rounds of ammunition. this is obviously a little different, what you see on the machine gun on the apache helicopter, on top of the tank, but right now they shipped 16 of these crates over to europe where they are now waiting to get final approval before they are allowed into ukraine, and that is expected in the next few days. the c.e.o. of ammo, inc., says this donation is for the ukrainian fight for freedom. >> proven by watching tv every day the ukrainians are smart people, hard working people, and i think they want their country to be free, and i think they are fighting to the end, and i think they'll put this ammunition to good use. >> sandra, more help could be on the way as well. over the last few days, the company has been flooded with requests from folks across the country who want to make donations for ammunition of their own to help the men and women who just a few weeks ago were just like them and are now fighting the world's super power. sandra. >> john: garrett, it's john. rounds, they are not really expensive but not exactly cheap either, somewhere between, you know, 30 and $0.50 per round. when you look at shipping a million rounds to ukraine, by the time you manufacture them and on board transport and over there, that's a substantial investment. is the company shouldering the entire cost or are they asking for donations? >> just for the bullets, take you over here and show it to you, a little bigger than this, they said just to make these is about 600 to $700,000. shipping, went through a private company to make sure it got over there as quick as possible, they foot all the bill. and now, because of the flood of requests they have had from folks, trying to look into plans and other opportunities to make even further donations and get the donations to the folks who need them most as quickly as possible. >> sandra: garrett, manitowac, wisconsin, south of green bay, north of milwaukee, as a midwesterner, i know they are proud, and interesting to hear the company talk about the ukrainians something they share, proud, hard working people. >> yeah, and across the midwest this week and north outside of duluth, minnesota this week, and every person we talked to there wanted to do more to help the folks in ukraine. they appreciated everything being done, humanitarian aid is done, but wanted to have more of an impact as they watch these folks fight for their lives and their freedom and this is really unique in the sense that this is very much going to that war effort and something that rather than tax dollars going to pay for that, this is going straight from an american company and the folks that work here to the folks fighting in ukraine. >> sandra: thank you very much, garrett. john. >> john: amazing to see how private companies are jumping in that. william is in the los angeles newsroom and watching the inflation ticker. >> it's also rippling through the supply chain, food. wheat prices are up 40% in a week, 14-year high. corn, 21%. driving inflation even higher. not just for cereal, bread, pasta, but beef, pork, chicken, processed foods. these grains, like oil, are global commodities. russia and the ukraine export 30% of the world's wheat, 80% of sunflower oil, creating shortages worldwide. >> inflation in food is mind boggling. chicken, pork, beef and the very corn you have to feed those animals and soybean meal exploding in value. wheat and pasta, being durham, going up at a rate i have never seen in my career. >> while the ukrainian farmers are fighting, ports are closed, countries are boycotting russia, the winner is the u.s. farmer, locking in prices they have not seen in a lifetime, no capacity or inventory to make up the difference. brooks barnes grows wheat in north carolina. >> last year we sold wheat in the $6 range and now a chance to sell double digit wheat, unheard of, never happened before. >> for u.s. consumers, expect higher prices in the grocery, restaurant, john and sandra in the next several weeks. harder hit the poorer countries like pakistan, bangladesh, they get half their wheat from russia and ukraine. >> sandra: and all the grains going to the feed for the animals and ultimately push up the price of all the meat we buy in this country. >> not just as i said all the things you think associated with grains, but as you said, the byproduct, those things going into the meat. it's going to affect everything. >> john: in terms of supply and making up for europe and bangladesh and pakistan and egypt is a big consumer of corn and wheat from ukraine, the u.s. has had surpluses pretty much every year and apparently the corn surplus, twice as much as what ukraine actually produces. possible for u.s. farmers to step in and make up some of the shortfall? >> i am told no, the inventories are so low right now, and of course, you have what you are harvesting versus what you are planting later. the point being there is no way we'll be able to, with the global commodity, that's showing up in the prices to actually effectively lower that because wheat has gone up to like $12 per bushel, up $8 last week. if that was in the cards, john, i think we would have seen it. >> john: william, thank you. >> sandra: remarkable. breaking news as we begin a brand-new hour, two seconds from now, 9:00 p.m. across ukraine, 2:00 p.m. at the pentagon where we are expecting a briefing as vladimir putin's forces ramp up attacks as they make advances in ukraine. also expecting a briefing this hour from the white house and the secretary of state in brussels, that is expected any moment now, and that is a live shot on the left-hand side of your screen. good afternoon, everyone, sandra smith in new york. john, hi. >> john: typically we are celebrating the end of the week but this friday gives us nothing to celebrate. a look at the headlines this hour, ukraine's president speaking a short time ago, pleading for more help from the west and linking the fate of his nation to the rest of europe, saying if ukraine does not stand, neither will europe. >> sandra: workers at the nuclear plant attacked by russia and new under russian control, russia plans to use the plant as part of a plot to blackmail all of europe, allowing putin to turn the lights off to huge sections of the country if he does not get what he wants with this war. the united nations nuclear watchdog closely monitoring the site at the hour. they are saying no radiation was released and firefighters eventually put out the fire caused by that attack. >> john: you can see the tracer fire outside the nuclear power station. the situation in kharkiv continues to deteriorate as russia keeps up the onslaught of the city. debris and burned out cars littering the streets of kharkiv after days of heavy fighting. ukrainians flocking to other countries to escape the devastation. >> sandra: destruction and lives torn apart, one image both heartbreaking and full of hope for new life in the middle of all the ruin. this ukrainian soldier carrying a baby near a bombed out and broken down bridge. >> john: destroyed bridges and blocked roadways are intensifying the panic as families try to get out while they still can. the bridges were blown to keep tanks from advancing. parents and grandparents taking their children and possessions that they can carry with little indication they may ever be able to return to their homes. in kyiv, the main train station swarmed with refugees trying to escape as the reality ticks in putin's thugs will soon be at their doorstep. >> sandra: and the children and the families facing so much uncertainty, begin this hour. benjamin hall is reporting live on the ground in kyiv for us. hi, benjamin. >> yeah, hi, sandra. and intro there, reminder how much is happening in so many different parts of the country. you have the northeast, kharkiv, where the city is being absolutely, you know, flattened at the moment. in the south, mariupol surrounded and the move toward odesa. and for the first week of this invasion, there was optimism, hope that the russian forces held back by the ukrainians. and the ukrainians are still fighting incredibly bravely, there is a sense the momentum is switching to the russians and we are seeing that movement happen at the moment. one of the big stories is the nuclear power station. no doubt it was targeted by russian forces. they moved out with tanks and shelling. one shell hit the facility, we know it was not one of the reactors, it was a side training bl. a big fire at the time but luckily was distinguished. the important thing now in the hands, under the control of the russian army. and reports they are laying it with mines and people who led that attack were the chechnyans, some of the most bloody and brutal soldiers vladimir putin can call upon. international rules forbid attacks on nuclear facilities, russia has signed up for these. president zelenskyy saying it could dwarf chernobyl if something happened. but no radioactive material has been released yet, and more concern that he could weaponize the facility. so, he could easily cut off power to many people here, sandra. >> sandra: benjamin hall reporting, thank you, we'll see you again shortly. >> john: across the potomac river to the pentagon, where john kirby is speaking to reporters. >> locations throughout alaska, arctic edge 22 is linked to other service specific exercises, including the national guard arctic eagle patriot, the army's joint pacific multi-national readiness capability exercise and the ice x and those concurrently or consecutively during the months of february and march of this year. with that, take questions. l>> i don't know, can you give us more detail on the hotline with russia, do you know if it has been used at all? was it used specifically during the attack on the nuclear facility when one might think there might be some cause for concern, and is it -- would it be general walters who would be in charge or on the other end of the phone? can you give us a sense of who -- what this link is, and then just -- >> you want the phone number, too? >> yeah, put the phone here. and anything new on odesa. >> on the deconfliction line, i don't have information whether it's been used. it's only been in place for a couple of days, i think since early this week. >> sandra: out of the pentagon and go live to brussels where secretary blinken is now speaking. let's listen. >> trapped in increasingly dire conditions as russia destroys more infrastructure. mariupol's mayor says most of the city's residents are living without water, without electricity, without heat. bridges to the city have been destroyed. women, children, growing ranks of wounded civilians cannot get out. food and medical supplies cannot get in. the mayor wrote today, and i wrote "we are simply being destroyed." the world has seen russia use these grisly tactics before in syria, chechnya. russia's reckless operation around the nuclear power plant risked catastrophe, a nuclear incident. kremlin should immediately cease all attacks around ukrainian nuclear facilities and allow personnel to ensure the safety and security as both the i.e.a., director general and resolution adopted by the agency's board of governor has called russia to do. they show remarkable courage defending their country, freedom, defending one another. we said that if president putin invaded ukraine we would increase our support for ukraine's ability to defend itself while imposing swift and severe costs on the kremlin. that's exactly what the united states and our allies and partners are doing. that was the focus of our ministerial meetings today with nato allies, with the g7, the european union, as well as in my discussions with nato secretary general, with the e.u. commission president, with the e.u. council president. we want our alliances to be strong enough to meet any threat. that's why from day one president biden made reinvigorating the alliances and partnerships foundation of foreign policy. why the secretary of state, i have come brussels, home to nato and the e.u., more than any other world capital and new ways to bring coalitions and allies and partners together. now we are seeing why that work matters. at nato we were joined by the ministers of finland and sweden, e.u. high representative, united king and canada and never before have nato and the european union and other partner nations worked so closely together. this is a new kind of cooperation and will bring this to bear not just in this crisis but in the years to come. and our european allies and partners are stepping up to lead in unprecedented ways. first time nato has activated and deployed parts of its response force. several nato allies, including the u.k., germany, netherlands, denmark, spain, france, have sent troops and aircraft and ships to reinforce the alliances eastern flank. every nato ally is providing military or humanitarian aid to ukraine, both are providing both. block swiftly adopted the biggest sanctions package in history against russia. and the e.u. has granted immediate refuge to ukrainians and others who call ukraine home. and individual countries are also taking extraordinary steps, germany is doubling its defense spending. poland has opened arms to more than half a million refugees. switzerland has adopted measures, the list goes on. deepen own capabilities and cooperation. do not undermine the trans atlantic security lines, they deepen our collective might. as recently as a few weeks ago some questioned whether, if the regional or international order came under threat whether the european allies and partners would be willing to shoulder their fair share of the burden, risk to defend it. they have demonstrated they are more than willing to stand up and stand together and the united states is standing with europe. pursuing complimentary actions and policies in close coordination with allies and partners. a few examples, we have deployed additional 7,000 troops to europe and repositioned forces on the continent to strengthen nato's eastern flank. we continue to tighten our severe economic sanctions on russia. last night, suspended temporary status to tens of thousands of ukrainians in the united states, and assistance for ukraine and the surrounding region over the coming days and weeks. yesterday president putin said his so-called special military operation is proceeding exactly as planned. well, it's hard to imagine his plan included inspiring the ukrainian people to defend their country with such tenacity. strengthening the resolve and solidarity in the e.u., uniting the world in opposition to moscow, including 141 countries at the united nations, and businesses, associations, cultural institutions that have cut ties with russia. causing the russian economy to go into freefall, motivating tens of thousands to protest and countless more to leave the country and turning russia into a pariah state. if that was the plan, you can say it's working. russia has never been so isolated, we have never been more united. but let me reiterate one thing, it's very important. we take these actions not because we oppose the russian people. we do not. we regret that tens of millions of russians will suffer because of the dangerous decisions made by a tiny circle of corrupt leaders and in that cronies, everything they can to hide their war of choice from the russian public. today's discussion with nato, g7, eu, we are aligned on goals and determination to meet them. deepen the support for the brave defenders and the civilians suffering as a result of the deepening humanitarian crisis. raise the costs for president putin and all who carry out and enable the war of choice and the devastation it's causing. continue to strengthen the capacity to defend the collective security and deter escalation by russia by upholding article 5 commitment, attack on one is attack on all. nato is a defensive alliance. we have never sought and will not seek conflict with russia. but as president biden has said, we will defend every inch of nato territory. no one should doubt america's readiness or our resolve. the same time, keep open the door to dialogue and diplomacy, while making clear to the kremlin unless it changes course it will continue down the road of increasing isolation and economic pain. and support ukraine and for the ceasefire and unconditional withdrawal of russian forces, something we have been discussing on a daily basis. in the meantime, working urgently with the government of ukraine and others to create humanitarian corridors to allow civilians out and let food, medicine and other supplies to get in. now all countries have a responsibility to pressure the kremlin to alleviate some of of the misery it has wrought. of all the consequences of moscow's unprovoked attack, one of the most unexpected is the spark it has lit in people around the world who have come out to demonstrate for freedom, for the rights of ukrainians. that includes valiant individuals in places where protesting the kremlin's war means risking arrest, beatings or worse. l as thousands of russians and others have done. for years we have seen the dangerous tide rolling back democracy in human rights and undercutting the rules based order fueled in no small part by moscow. with this brutal invasion, we, european allies and partners and people everywhere are being reminded of just how much is at stake. now we see the tide of democracy rising to the moment. with that, i'm happy to take some questions. >> mr. secretary. >> hi, paul. >> you've -- the west has put unprecedented sanctions on russia very punishing, yet it does not seem to have slowed the russian military's advance on ukraine. today nato seemed to foursquare absolutely putting in a no fly zone that might protect the ukrainians. given that, nothing seems to have slowed this invasion, what can you tell the ukrainian people who only see things getting worse, seeing a disaster, seeing more suffering, and are pleading for more help from the west, and i have a little follow-up, i could ask now or in a moment. >> go ahead, please. >> nato has been involved in supplying arms which you have mentioned to ukraine. can't it supply more effective arms, larger weapons, being jets have been talked about. nato is engaged in this. can't it do more for ukraine? >> thank you. let me take the secretary part first. we are in constant contact with ukraine, with government officials, and leaders on their needs and in constant contact and coordination with allies and partners on providing for those needs when it comes to security assistance. we have already been engaged in a remarkable effort, speaking for the united states, with the various drawdowns president biden has done. we have provided over the past year and change more than a billion dollars in security assistance to ukraine. the most recent draw down that was issued by the president of $350 million, we have already sent into ukraine about $250 million worth of the draw down. so, this is happening every single day, and you are seeing the means that ukraine needs to defend itself, get into the hands of ukrainians who are doing that. having said that, one of the things we talked about at length today in our various meetings at nato and the e.u., what more we can do and how to do it effectively. i would add that i think as you know foreign minister kalaba came into the meetings by video, heard from him directly. some additional things that ukraine is looking for. we are working on all of that every single day. we are also a week and change in to this horrific war brought by russia. the -- we have had already a dramatic impact, far beyond what anyone expected on russia and the economy. the ruble is worth less than a penny. authorities are expecting exporters to sell 80% of the foreign currency they have to prop up what is a rapidly weakening currency. stock market has been closed for days due to a fear of capital flight once it opens. the longest stretch since russia defaulted in the 1990s. the c.b.r. has doubled the interest rate, central bank to 20%, highest in almost 20 years. capital controls, etc. we are seeing -- i have a list five pages long of all the businesses that have left russia. but the impact is there, it's powerful, it's real, and it is building. so, let's see how russia responds to that as this really takes hold and takes -- second, as we have been demonstrating by not only what we have been saying, but doing, the support for ukraine is real, profound, extensive. security assistance we just talked about that continues to go in, the amount of support that we continue to build in response to the humanitarian horror that russia has brought, as well as economic assistance. unfortunately it's not like flipping a light switch, it takes time, and in the case of russia and president putin's russia, a country prepared to go to excessive means to achieve its results, it is a real challenge. but not only are we at it every day, but the ukrainian people can see is virtually the entire world, united in support of them, their cause, independence, territorial integrity, freedom, demonstrated by the meetings we had today, demonstrated by the 141 countries that came together at the united nations to make that clear. so, so there is a huge tide of support for ukraine, a huge weight bearing down on russia. let's see what the impact is. >> hi there, thank you so much. we heard this morning that nato, the situation will get worse before it gets better. tell us, what do you know that we don't, and is the no to the no fly zone set in stone completely or would you consider it if this conflict does become a massacre and was it naive of you and the europeans to offer diplomacy. thank you so much. >> when we say it is likely to get worse, unfortunately based on everything we know about president putin's methods when it comes to have another country do his will or another region in his will, we saw it in chechnya, in syria, in 2014 in ukraine, and what we are seeing on the battlefield is russian forces seeking to encircle the major cities, including kyiv, and seeing them use increasingly brutal methods, including going at civilian populations. so i think the terrible expectation is the suffering we have already seen is likely to get worse before it gets better for as long as russia pursues these methods. so, that is, unfortunately, more likely than not, although we were doing everything we can to try to move us to a different track. with regard to the no fly zone, i think you heard nato secretary general speak to this earlier today. one of the responsibilities we have, even as we are doing everything we can to give the ukrainian people the means to defend themselves effectively against russia, we have a responsibility, as the secretary general said, to ensure the war does not spill over beyond ukraine, and again, because i think he put it so well, as he noted, the only way to actually implement something like a no fly zone is to send nato planes into ukrainian air space and shoot down russian planes and that could leader to a full-fledged war in europe. president biden has been clear that we are not going to get into a war with russia. but, we are going to tremendous lengths with allies and partners to provide ukrainians with the means to effectively defend themselves and seeing every single day their extraordinary heroism as well as very real results in what they are doing to achieve that. and i'm sorry, i missed the last part of your question. >> do you feel like, we spoke together last spring when you were here in brussels at the nato headquarters and i feel the question then was do you feel that you were naive or the europeans were naive to trust in putin that he would come to the table and choose diplomacy over this invasion. >> i'll only speak for the united states. i think we were -- the opposite of naive. we have been saying, warning for months that president putin was planning and carry out aggression of ukraine, and of course in recent weeks before the invasion began, i laid out before the united nations the security council exactly what we expected putin to do, and how he would do it creating bogus pretext for war, and then using those false flags and other operations as justification for invading ukraine, and for months we made clear -- >> sandra: we are going to continue to monitor antony blinken's comments, secretary of state in brussels met with the nato and e.u. leaders and as he continues, what a remarkable moment this is, john, live update happening at the pentagon, john kirby, we are going to dip back in, talking about the possibility of the no fly zone and his thinking on that, and jen psaki briefing at the white house, all happening at the same time, all live pictures. and jen psaki just making some news on skyrocketing oil and gas prices, blaming the volatility in the global oil markets on what is happening in ukraine right now, not because of, and this is a direct quote, steps the president has taken. go to her in a moment. but first to you, john, as we look at the live event at the pentagon. >> john: in fact, why don't we jump to jen psaki, jacqui asked about the humanitarian crisis. >> i don't think i have any more details to convey here, but i think obviously saying you are going to do humanitarian corridors or conveying openness to that, to your point is very different from allowing food, you know, water, medical supplies, and civilians to move and certainly there would need to be an implementation seriously. >> is that something nato would get involved in doing? >> i don't have more details on the implementation to outline from here, but certainly the establishment and, of humanitarian corridors, the implementation of it, the russian leadership taking that effort seriously would be -- would be something we would welcome. >> and then following up on the question about cyber attacks, obviously it did happen leading up to the invasion, do we have the capability of knowing whether or not they tried to do something like that? >> we have a range of k5i capabilities, i'm not going to get into them from here. >> what happened, you talked about the legal review happening, war crimes element earlier. what happens next if the review finds that putin did commit war crimes. then what happens? >> well, there's a range of means. i would say first, while we have our own internal review going on and if we, and as we continue that we will provide any information to both the international criminal court, the u.n., other entities investigating from an international standpoint. and helped pass a resolution at the u.n. human rights council, entity to provide information that could support future investigations and also determine to your question, accountability measures. we also joined 44 other countries in establishing an expert mission through the o.s.c. to investigate possible violations and obviously we have a range of resources here as other countries do and our focus would be feeding that into the international process. >> in terms of what you laid out there, and i know yesterday you said you did not see russia -- [inaudible] how do you reconcile potential that you have a member of the security council that flagrantly is undermining the charter. is there anything that can be done, especially if he is found to be committing war crimes? >> i think that's part of the accountability question, right, jacqui, and determination of the future role of any country in an organization would be up to the member countries of that organization. we are one, we are not the only one, but certainly accountability would be a part of that process. >> because it would be a concern for the u.s., or for the u.n., for everything they stand for -- >> i think the u.n., and the vast majority of countries in the u.n., incredibly aligned and outspoken about the horrific and barbaric actions that they have seen by the russian military and at the direction of president putin on the ground. >> zelenskyy said yesterday he felt like the whole world was too late. what's the president's thought on that? >> i would say that one, president zelenskyy has been standing up courageously and bravely in a moment where his country, his own security, you know, his own concerns about his security are understandably under threat. we have been, united states has been working for months to build a global coalition that will hold president putin accountable. we have been providing historic amount of security assistance, military assistance, humanitarian assistance, economic assistance, to president zelenskyy and the ukrainian leaders and we will certainly continue to stand by his side. go ahead, kelly. >> john: jen psaki answering questions from our own jacqui heinrich, the last one why the united states waited so long to help out ukraine, because ukrainian officials were asking for weapons for months ahead of the invasion. they were providing, not with the weapons at that point but with the threat of sanctions, but now weapons are beginning to flow toward ukraine. sandra. >> sandra: we monitor jen psaki, the white house briefing and also secretary blinken in brussels, and now the pentagon, john kirby is talking about the stalled russian convoy in ukraine. let's listen in. >> at this point, senior defense official earlier said that most of their ukrainian air capability is still intact. does it seem like that's a need, are you aware of any questions of the ukrainians for more aircraft and if they have most of their air power still in fact, they have the extra pilots to fly extra aircraft at this point? >> i don't want to speak for the ukrainians. what i can tell you, we are in direct communication with them nearly every day about their requirements and we are doing the best we can to fill those requirements. i'll leave it at that. jeff zeldon, voa. >> john, thanks very much for doing this. ukraine's embassy in washington says it has listed about 3,000 american volunteers, including former military who want to go and join the fight in ukraine. does the pentagon have any position on americans going to fight in ukraine, and is there any broader effort to track foreign fighters of all nationalities? >> i certainly can't verify the numbers that you have put up there. we have seen no such list, and no such compilation. i would just say this, and i talked about this a couple days ago. two things. one, this is not the place for americans to be in ukraine right now. and state department has made that very clear in urging over so many weeks for americans in ukraine to leave and urging americans not in ukraine not to go. it is a war zone. now number one. number two, should americans want to help ukraine and laudible they do, there are organizations trying to alleviate what has now become a very acute humanitarian crisis in ukraine and countries bordering ukraine as the u.n. estimated yesterday more than a million people have fled the country, and that does not even count the tens of thousands displaced in the country. so if you really want to help the people of ukraine as a private citizen find a way to donate resources to these organizations that are trying to alleviate that crisis. tom. >> any prohibitions on u.s. military personnel, let's say an army reservist who wants to go over? >> tom, i mean -- the president has been clear. no u.s. troops fighting in ukraine. an army reservist to fight with the ukrainian army, under the law, or d.o.d. regulations about that? >> i'm going to -- i'm not a lawyer, i have to take that one, tom. let me be very clear. the president has made it clear, u.s. troops are not going to be fighting in ukraine, that includes in the skies over ukraine. it is not a military mission that the united states military would take on. i know, you are asking a very specific potential scenario. let me find out rather than speculate and guess about that. tom. >> thanks. >> sandra: so you have been listening to the briefing at the pentagon, secretary blinken has concluded his remarks, calling the russian attack on the nuclear plant a reckless operation and demanded the kremlin immediately cease all attacks around ukrainian nuclear facilities and went on to say how putin will be held accountable, his costs will continue to rise, said blinken a moment ago. we are going to continue to monitor jen psaki at the white house as well. to you in washington, john. >> john: former general keith kellogg, co-chairman of the american first policy for american security. all the talk, general, this afternoon has been this appeal that zelenskyy has made to nato to commit to a no fly zone over ukraine, which basically, the color blue, because nato is known as the blue force, that would basically make all of this an area north of crimea, where russian planes could not fly. what the nato secretary general said about it. we are not part of this conflict and have a responsibility to ensure it does not escalate and spread beyond ukraine. we understand the desperation but we also believe if we did that, a no fly zone, we would end up with something that could lead to a full-fledged war in europe involving much more countries and much more suffering. general, you say there is a way to do it, how. >> i think there is, and i think we are walking into act two of a greek tragedy, and that act two will start with the russians going into the major build-up areas, primarily kyiv, a city of 3 million and you are going to see street to street fighting, a lot of casualties, civilian casualties, and i think when you start seeing those visions of those people dying, the civilians, i think the world is going to say i'm tired of this, enough, stop. and i think what the united states could do is that, not get nato involved but go to the u.n. and articles 27 and 52, wait a second, a way to do this. a u.n. no fly zone, not a nato no fly zone where article 5 does not apply. >> john: who would enforce that? >> we would be involved under the u.n. cover. you need nine of the 15 votes of the u.n. security council to get it -- article 52 says if you are part of a conflicted party, you are supposed to, by u.n. rules, abstain. so if we can get interlock tory like macron to pick up the phone and call putin and maybe president xi and say we want you both to abstain. putin is not winning this fight, he is losing this fight and look at ways to say well, where is my off ramp, and my off ramp with the economic problems, if the united nations comes in as a world body and says it's a u.n. no fly zone, keep nato out of the flight, high risk, of courses t, perfect plan, no, no plan is perfect but there is a way to do and at least explore it. >> john: interesting, and we go to the south, most of the action on the part of the russians. they have moved past kherson, heading toward another city which follows the road into odesa. i assume the russian plan is to surround the back part of odesa, you have rivers over here on this side, you could basically cut the city off, and the same time, moving to the northeast to mariupol and then here in ener dohar, they have captured the nuclear power station. in terms of strategic positioning, what does that give russia now that it can use for the future? >> odesa would be a fight in the city, a major battle if they want to go in there, and you are right about the plan to do it, probably cut it off and isolate it and sea access and the ground access if they want to go in there. on the nuclear power plant, you asked the question a couple days ago, a great question and people did not pick up on it. they are trying to shut down the power grid. attack on the civilian populus of ukraine and you caught it, and they have now got both of the major power plants, the nuclear power plants. there are two more on the western edge they can't get to those at all. but if you start shutting that down, clearly attack on the humanitarian centers and without power it's going to start putting more and more pressure on them. i think that's why they are doing it. i think what they did was way out of bounds. american military we would put big boxes around, no fire areas, you don't go into those and they have accelerated the problems they have right now. >> john: we got news today ukraine claims one of the snipers took out, i guess what is one of the leading generals of the airborne assault into ukraine. you were airborne yourself. what sort of morale booster is that for the ukrainian forces? >> i've always believed a dead general is good for morale, to support the troops out there. that proves they are attacking, the ukrainians are attacking the targets correctly. backhanded compliment to the russians. but when you take out a senior commander like that, it builds everybody up. we are actually fighting this fight, winning the fight. if you don't have generals dying on the other side, are we accomplishing the mission. the reason why it's important, the airborne forces, primary assault forces, it's not bad to kill those generals out there, get it right. >> john: as jack keane was pointing out earlier today, russia has plenty of generals. >> ukraine has plenty of ammunition, too. >> john: we have a special general here, thank you. >> sandra: secretary of state antony blinken live in brussels a short time ago following his meeting with nato leaders. ruled out a no fly zone over ukraine saying member nations were not willing to put the planes in the sky and risk a direct confrontation with russia. president biden has the same position, despite repeated pleas from president zelenskyy for a no fly zone to keep russian planes from attacking the people. travelling with the secretary of state, reporting live from nato headquarters in brussels, rich. >> sandra, the approach here in brussels in the day of meetings with nato and european officials and secretary of state antony blinken has been to continue the sanctions, continue tightening the sanctions, saying that russia has never been more isolated, west never more united in this, and makes the case the sanctions are going to take time, not like flipping on a light switch but plenty of critics and those asking for the west to do more or do it differently. for one reason, you have the ukrainian government asking for the no fly zone. so the european union nato today trying to talk through that and consider it earlier today but the result and decision they reached on that, simply going over the same battle space with nato and american aircraft is not something that's going to work. two nuclear armed powers, the united states and russia should not be over the same military space, the line established in all of this, and it's not something they are ready to do, at least not for now. and people are asking whether the administration, united states or the west will implement sanctions on russian energy. putin gets hundreds of millions daily from energy sales and the argument is, if you want to go with the russian economy you go at energy. secretary just making the case what happens when you sanction energy is that you drive the price of energy up, drive the price of oil and natural gas up and that ultimately benefits vladimir putin and makes americans pay more for energy, he says it's something that the administration is not ruling anything out, but still considering sanctions on a daily basis. this is something that began today with the attack on the nuclear facility, the secretary of state and the nato general secretary calling the attack reckless and something that they will continue to be on and basically the secretary saying russia, kremlin, get out of the areas, do not attack anything close to a nuclear facility. you need to be a little more mindful of that in this campaign. the west wants you out of ukraine to begin with. that's the approach for now. this is only the beginning of the six-day, six-country trip for the secretary of state. he goes to poland and moldova, you have hundreds of thousands of refugees that have flooded into the countries, and you've also got a trip at the end of this of the three baltic states. countries that have been warning since their independence in the early 1990s of russian aggression, even well before this operation in ukraine. so that's another piece to this whole issue, are too. there's one more issue that the ukrainian government has brought up. the ukrainian foreign minister did participate in this nato meeting, did so virtually from ukraine. he says he wants to be thankful for the supplies but wants more military aid and wants it faster. back to you. >> sandra: rich reporting live for us, following secretary blinken's remarks. thank you very much. let's bring in former u.s. defense advisor at nato and distinguished professor of international affairs at georgia tech. thank you, a lot to take in. heard from blinken, from jen psaki at the white house and john kirby at the pentagon. so nato is rejecting the requested no fly zone over ukraine. do you see like general kellogg made the case any possibility that this would work? >> well, i respect general kellogg but in this case i disagree with his formula. i think we have the united nations assembly strongly behind us, that russia withdraw their forces to russian territory. i commanded a squadron in the air force and air force leaders know that we are not going to put our airmen at risk unless we take due diligence before we send them into the skies. sandra, it's important to understand, there are two kinds of no fly zones. a declared no fly zone where you hope the other side won't come up and attack your forces, and there's an imposed no fly zone. we would only, and nato in the past has only made clear that it would do a no fly zone when it first prepared the battlefield, sent in missile strikes and airstrikes to take out the adversaries' radar, command and control, and in this case, what russia would see a sanctuary basis on russian soil. so we would have to lay down 24, 48 hours of shock and awe attack before we would want to put our airmen in the air and then i do think you are into a much wider war. >> john: it does seem as though something like that would be difficult to contain, robert. let me ask you this question this hour, president biden is meeting with the president of finland. finland has not been a member of nato, nor has we sweden. however, finland is in the majority for wanting to join nato and sentiment is increasing in sweden. vladimir putin has warned both countries there would be military consequences if they made any moves toward nato. but it does seem to suggest that vladimir putin, rather than breaking apart nato, is only solidifying, and potentially panned it. >> finland has special status already, they decided to buy the b-35, shipping anti-tank weapons to the ukrainian army, it's quite admirable what they are doing. in terms of joining nato, understanding is pretty clear, i think, that finland and sweden would act together. a little like butch cassidy and the sundance kid, they both decided to jump at the same time. if finland will come into nato and request the invitation extended, be done in the context of a joint decision with sweden. attitude in sweden is changing to be sure, but they are not over the 50% mark yet in terms of wanting to come in. >> sandra: robert, it seems that zelenskyy's explanation for asking for the no fly zone, he makes the argument that it is only that, that will guarantee that russia won't bomb, his words, ukraine's nuclear infrastructure. based on everything you just said, in what way could zelenskyy continue to proceed on his own, obviously with his fighting on the ground, what happens next with all of this? >> well, you know, the skies are still being contested over ukraine. russia has not achieved air superiority. maybe they have the upper hand, but still ukrainian fighter planes flying and the russian air force has not been the major element in this war so far. there's a lot of things that nato and the west are doing to try to atrit, cause attrition against the russian air force. stinger missiles, for example. actively, i think, all the nations in eastern europe that have soviet legacy fighters, older mig fighters that the ukrainians already know how to fly, i think those nations are trying to find ways to get those airplanes into the hands of ukrainian pilots who have lost their own planes without intervening directly in other words, is there a way to bring iranian -- excuse me, ukrainian pilots who don't have planes but know how to fly an mig to get airports, pick them up and shuttle them back into the war. >> john: i would think russia would not be too happy about that. and this is about the nuclear threat, vladimir putin has repeatedly waved at the west and some countries in eastern europe. he has said that any intervention could potentially be met with a nuclear response. would putin risk the existence of the country he is trying to expand over something like this? would he pull the nuclear trigger knowing that his nation could be laid waste to? >> well, john, i think the big question here is the trigger word you used, intervention, as you said, that's what putin said. in effect, he's trying to dissuade us from crossing a red line he is saying is intervention. clearly we are interfering, that's the actual word he used, in this war by providing arms, by imposing sanctions, he has not acted, thank god, because it would be totally counterproductive for russia to start a nuclear war, but i think the question is, he's trying to use a nuclear threat to dissuade us from a direct intervention, much like the united states did during the nixon administration in 1973 when we went to defcon 3 and said if you send soviet airborne forces into israel, we are prepared to use nuclear weapons. >> sandra: robert bell, thank you for joining us. >> john: thank you, robert. >> sandra: video showing new peacekeeping forces arriving in the region. brian has the breaking news on that. >> hey, sandra, 500 troops from european nations, including bulgaria, as well as romania, slovakia and austria have arrived in bosnia. 500 troops helping in the european force peacekeeping forces that are already there. already 600 there. of course, this is all what nato and our european allies are doing, bolstering the forces on the eastern flank of the continent in a defensive posture. nonthe less, you can see more troops arriving there. and this video of ukrainian emergency rescue teams returning destroyed anti-tank cassette elements from a destroyed building in ukraine. if we can pull that video up, it shows essentially, in odesa, they are still removing the ammunitions after missile strikes. they are going into the buildings and removing the bomb parts and ammunition parts out of the buildings as life continues to move forward there, despite the bombardment from the russians. and this video, refugees arriving on the border of ukraine and romania, bare essentials. lydia, one woman, 38 years old, this is what she had to say about her journey. >> i said good-bye to my husband, he cried, we cried, our children cried because we don't know how long we will stay apart. last his words were i will kill that bastard. it's very hard. we are safe but our hearts are crying still. >> hundreds of thousands of people, sandra, are without water, power and heat in ukraine. >> sandra: brian, breaking news and new video, thank you, john. >> john: talked to and recent days whether or not the united states should buy oil from russia given everything going on. let's go to alexandra. >> white house has said it would hurt us more than them, accounts 10% of what we are bringing in in total. but jen psaki said the white house is working with congress to try to find ways to lessen the need for this, and the use of it. meanwhile, senator joe manchin has introduced legislation to cut off russian imports of oil into the united states. it has been called a moral obligation and has earned bipartisan support. >> energy has been weaponized. we have the ability to basically counter that weapon, we really do. >> first of all, i think there is a moral obligation here. i don't want u.s. dollars to be funding this carnage in ukraine led by putin. >> i'm all for that, ban it. >> ban the oil. >> ban the oil coming from russia. >> we would have to get it from somewhere, and labor secretary waltz said domestic drilling has not been on the table up to this point. the president did hold an event earlier today. he reinforced that he is really just looking towards electric vehicles, moving away from fossil fuels, it's not an immediate remedy for the oil and the country will need, the white house says they are looking out for gas prices but either way, those are still high. sandra, john. >> john: if you are looking for gas prices, look up, that's where they are. alex, thanks. >> sandra: tim dallinger, a pipeline engineer. unique perspective on the oil market. you see the oil flows, where they are coming from, how much there is, and i've spoken to you at length and how we are seeing right now american energy companies, purchasers usually of that oil, self-sanctioning. cutting off the flow of russian oil before the white house has even sanctioned it. >> correct. government data is released on imports a weekly basis, and last week we did not import russian crude. it's about 3%, i'm not sure where the white house is pulling 10% data from, but according to the e.i.a., it's about 3% of our crude comes from russia and this week not only was the u.s. not importing crude, but no tanking loadings until today. >> sandra: we know our neighbor canada has black listed any tankers coming in to the point reuters is reporting that midway across tankers were turned around carrying cargo from russia. you have intimate knowledge of the supply and demand of the markets. you have intimate knowledge of the pricing. jen psaki said this a moment ago at the white house press briefing. >> the reason why we are seeing volatility in the global oil markets, the reason why the price of gas is going up, is not because of steps the president has taken, they are because president putin is invading ukraine and that is creating a great deal of instability in the global marketplace. >> sandra: i'll let you respond to that tim, but i want to point out, gasoline prices were up more than a dollar as a national average before putin invaded ukraine. your response to what you heard. >> jen is correct, there is a geopolitical premium added to the current price of crude, but crude oil does trade on fundamentals and u.s. supplies are tighter than what a lot of people expect and we know this because again e.i.a. provides the data on a weekly basis and we can see the stocks of crude, gasoline, distilled, jet fuel, pretty much what we use in our everyday life. >> sandra: and we know at the end of the day the american companies that seem to be self-sanctioning, cutting off the flow of russian oil into the u.s., they have to worry about the bottom line and profits. what do you believe is the motivation or what do you know to be the motivation of the companies cutting off the supply and not buying it. >> one wonders if it's humanitarian that human life is more valuable than profits. on the other hand, if you have a more pessimistic view, perhaps companies don't want to purchase oil that could be sanctioned. you don't want to buy something that you can't sell at a later date. >> sandra: don't want to take on the risk, right? >> absolutely. and so if i were to say the motivation of these companies, i would be speculating. the end of the day, we know they are not purchasing. >> sandra: interesting on that. this is the transportation secretary of the current administration on the possibility of buying oil now from iran, listen. >> well, it has not been to this point and certainly looking at what's happening in the situation in the world right now, that is the conversation. >> sandra: that was marty walsh, the transportation secretary, pete buttigieg, do we have it? >> could the president consider the keystone pipeline, working out something with iran? >> look, the president had said all options are on the table. >> sandra: is that what is going to happen, rather than us ramp up our own domestic production of oil, and now seeing those supplies cut off from russia because the american companies are deciding to do so, if there is a deal done, that would happen. is that what we turn to, iran for our oil? >> it very well could be. we are seeing that our iranian negotiators are expecting some sort of resolution early next week and so on the one hand it might be, might seem like a good idea the united states could just increase our production to make up for it. but actually the type of oil we get from russia isn't like much of the oil we produce in the united states. so we are kind of talking about different grades, and so yeah, we need to get that from somewhere else. we get a lot of that type of oil from canada but canada is about at the max export capacity. part of the reason is because keystone was never built. >> sandra: all really good stuff, inside look, a pipeline engineer, thank you for joining us. >> john: this just in from ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy apparently engaged in a teleconference with people in major american -- major european, rather, cities, who engaged in protests in support of ukraine today. that was in the city's of frankfurt, prague, leon, and others, zelenskyy thanking them saying don't be silent, come to the streets. support ukraine, support our freedom. a victory not only over the russian military, but light over darkness, good over evil. zelenskyy also warning do not be silent, support ukraine. if ukraine does not survive, the whole of europe will not survive. this is a call, a clarion call he has been issuing since the invasion began, that this is about more than ukraine.

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