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list. she's the host of "the takeaway." peter beiart author of "the crisis of zionism" political writer for "the daily beast" and will cain is a columnist for theblaze.com. nice to have you all. another trayvon martin march this morning, this time of course the defense team for the martin family is hoping to bring some pressure on investigators, not only to arrest george zimmerman as they've continually maintained, they also want to look into the attorney who apparently sort of dismissed the lead investigator's efforts to have george zimmerman charged. >> that's right. it was on the original police reports as manslaughter and supposedly they're alleging it was interfered with and want the department of justice to open a second investigation. they're opening an investigation into the case of trayvon martin's death and they want to open a second one to see if the florida officials interfered. >> it will be interesting to see hate crimes of course are notoriously difficult to prove anyway, but you've heard from lawyers on all sides saying that early on that they thought in this particular case it's going to be more difficult to prove. >> that's because we have so much evidence and yet nobody was there except george zimmerman. in the end it's a he said/she said argument, and therefore it's difficult to prove whether trayvon martin attacked him or didn't. at that point no one really knows. we just have circumstantial evidence. >> the latest is the audio, i guess investigation into who exactly was screaming, a big question remaining in the case. who was it crying for help. could you hear it over 911 when people would call in, could you hear the shrieking on their phone calls. we have a little bit, i want to play it. >> i've heard that now 20 times and every single time it still stuns me. there are different witnesses accounts to what exactly happened. here's how one witness described it to anderson cooper. we've enhanced the voice, disguised it because we're trying to hide the identity of this witness so listen. >> i heard the yell for help, one yell for help and then i heard another as i described excruciating type of yell, didn't even sound like a help, it just sounded so painful. >> zimmerman said he was yelling for help as he was being attacked by martin. according to the original police report, zimmerman said this, "i was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me." a top forensic audio expert has analyzed the 911 tapes for "the orlando sentinel" tom owen with owen forensic services. give us a sense of how you do this analysis. >> soledad, it's done in a manner in which there's a comparison made between a known and unknown voice. in this instance, george zimmerman is a known voice. he identified himself on the 911 call. so we know who that is, and then we have the voice of the person who is screaming, and we consider that the unknown, because we really don't know who that is at this point. >> we've played a couple of times the screaming. i want to play that and then compare it to george zimmerman's voice that we know from the 911 tapes first and i'll ask you a question on the other side of us listening to that. [ yelling ] so i know you were able to sort of compile all that different screaming and put it together into one approximately nine-second-long clip and here is a little bit of george zimmerman from the 911 tape. >> how is it possible to compare two voices when the context is so different. one is shrieking and the other one is speaking almost quietly into the phone? >> well, the difference between the old comparisons where you had to have verbatim speech are the people saying the same thing. >> right. >> and today is the biometric software is able to define three different things, spectographic information, picture information and galsium variation, and how much between the words people speak. the software at use at nsa, cia and fbi is able to do that and do that efficiently with no subjectivity whatsoever being thrown into the mix. that's what this particular software does. >> so from your software, what was your takeaway? >> well, let me just do this for you quickly. we have the tape of zimmerman. we have the tape of the screams. and then we can start the comparison, and basically it's going to do this comparison, if you can see the screen now, and it's going to give me some false rejection rates, some false acceptance rates, and a likelihood ratio, okay. and this gray dot over here designates the very lower end of the scale, which in essence is translated as it's not him. >> meaning what, there must be a percentage, of course that you're determining you don't believe it's george zimmerman. what's that number? >> right, well the number that the if it was george zimmerman, for example, let me just do something else here. let's go back and compare zimmerman with zimmerman, and let's see what that gives us. >> so you're talking about -- >> 99%. >> so speaking voice compared to speaking voice gives you something. so yelling voice to speaking voice, whoever is screaming on the tape, what percentage are you coming up with? >> well, it's 48 likelihood ratio for the screaming voice versus zimmerman. i just wanted to show you even if we take the screaming voice and compare that, just so, you know, you have something to compare it with, and you do the comparison here, this is what we come up with. 99%. >> screaming to screaming. let me ask you a question -- >> the software -- the software is able to delineate the difference between the two voices. that's my point. >> are you brought into a courtroom to do this exact thing with this exact software? >> yes. i've testified at approximately 300 times in 41 different states and not always on voice identification, but the last voice identification was with this software in connecticut, state versus davalieu a murder trial and the 911 call was the focus of the trial. >> 48% likelihood it would be george zimmerman. what is the bar in a courtroom? is it 78%? is it 99%? where do you say for you as the analyzer that it clearly is not the individual you're trying to match it to? what's the number? >> because what would happen is, you would see a green dot like we saw the green dots when we compared zimmerman against zimmerman and the screams against the screams. i don't know if you notice that but right here there was a green dot and it said 99% over here. so if we're comparing zimmerman versus the screams, then we're getting a likelihood ratio of 48%, and a false rejection rate of 12.35%, and a false acceptance rate of 14.9%. those low numbers get translated it's unlikely it is the same person. what the software is telling -- >> yes, what would that number be though? for you to be comfortable to go into a courtroom, what would that number have to be, in the 70s, the 80s? at what point do you get the green dot that says yes, we sort of have a match? >> well, you'd have to get over 60%, and the green dot. the green dot just delineates the software and the filters that are used, the three set of filters that are used in the software. >> quick final question before i let you go. >> the green. >> there's no indication at this point that is the confirmation that that's trayvon martin's voice, is there? >> no. i have nothing to compare it with. if i was, if i had something to compare, then i would be able to tell you whether that's trayvon's voice or not. >> you have reached out or do you intend to reach out to veigh von's family and get an audio clip of him in some way, shape or form and try to match it? >> well, actually the public is doing that. i've received a number of e-mails where people have attempted to reach the family or the police forces as well, or even george zimmerman. i would be happy to do an exemplar of george zimmerman. >> as you know a lot of the conversation that we've had about this 911 call has focused about 2:20 in, where i hear a curse, and then a racial slur. you know what i'm talking about on this? >> on the 911 call? >> yes, if you go about 2:20 in, lots of debate over -- >> right. >> have you investigated that at all? what is your analysis say, can you clarify that so people can hear and decide yes, in fact, that is what i think it is or that it's not what i think it is? >> i could certainly clarify that, but i've not been asked to do that. >> so if i asked to you do that, would you do that? >> i very well may do that. >> how long does it take, like hours or weeks? >> it would take me at least a day or two. >> okay, you know i'd be hugely interested in that, and if you can clarify that and tell me that it is what i think it is or it's not what i think it is, i'd be very interested in knowing what forensic analysis says those words are. mr. tom owen is a forensic consultant. was there a final word you wanted to say before i let you go? >> yes, i'll be happy to do that and maybe i'll see you again. >> i think wednesday is what you've promised me. thank you, sir. appreciate your time. i'm doing my own forensic analysis on what you just said, he's confirmed for tuesday or wednesday morning with us. thank you, mr. owen. appreciate your time this morning. all right, we got a lot to get to on headlines. christine has a look at those. good morning. >> good morning, soledad. a passenger plane crashes during takeoff, killing 31 people on board, including all four crew members. this plane was traveling from an oil-producing town in siberia. officials say air traffic control lost contact with the pilot just after takeoff. the plane burst into flames, broke into pieces. all 12 survivors are in intensive care right now. crews recovered the plane's data recorders. experts from russia, france, canada and britain are investigating now. a dramatic rescue at sea, two injured sailors were plucked from a racing yacht by the u.s. coast guard some 270 miles off the california coast. the yacht was disabled after being hit by a monster wave. the four-person crew was competing in an around the world race on the high seas. the sailors were air lifted to san francisco for medical treatment. pro-democracy leader and nobel laureate aung san suu kyi was claimed a landslide victory for her party in elections for myanmar's parliament. kyi has led the struggle against military rule in that country for two decades. the election marks the country's first steps towards reform. she says she hopes the historic vote will prompt the west to ease sections. nfl players could soon face criminal charges in the case of those bounty hits, where they made money to take out opposing teams' players during games, according to reports this morning that also say the players association has hired lawyers to represent them. commissioner roger goodell is still weighing punishment for players connected to those bounties. he's already suspended saints' head coach sean payton for the season and team's former defensive coordinator gregg williams indefinitely. gm mickey loomis and assistant coach joe vitt were also suspended. the champion in the ncaa tourney will be crowned tonight. kansas and kentucky go head-to-head. kansas pulled a stunning comeback over ohio state saturday to get there and kentucky held off rival louisily to advance. this is coach john calipari's second championship. his first was four years ago when kansas defeated them. kentucky fans starting fires and rioting after the win, some carried out a sofa and set it on fire. the reports police arrested more than two dozen people and thankfully no one was seriously hurt. police are taking some extra steps tonight to prevent a repeat. it might just be the worst movie ever. adam sandler's "jack & jill" made history becoming the first film to sweep every category at the annual razzy awards, honoring the worst in cinematic achievement. adam sandler was named worst actor and worst actress for playing both jack and jill. did you see it, soledad? >> of course i didn't see it. honestly. i have too little time to see movies, really it has to be like an academy award nominee before i spend my time. >> it looked so good, the concept. >> i saw him this weekend. >> really? >> i was down in miami. he was there. no, i just ran into him. >> what's going on in kentucky? why do you riot for a semifinal win? you haven't even won the whole thing. >> excited i guess. >> they're practicing. they want to make sure they get it right if they win. >> the bar is lowered. >> they were very happy, it was ebulience spilling over. >> i can't even spell ebulience. still ahead, mitt romney punk'd, sort of. >> here comes mitt romney, the next president of the united states. >> yeah, this is an april fool's joke but of course they were recording it, so i wonder how much this is, you know, doesn't he seem like a, the common man? i've become so suspicious of politics. check mates, waiting for the three mega millionaires winners to claim their prize, may not get the big photo op. lottery officials are talking about their rights to privacy. would you take the photo with the big check? >> no. >> no. >> absolutely not. >> i don't know if i could do the cooling off period. i'm hitting the stores. >> our "get real" over the hill at 4 1/2 years old, that is apparently the age when babies aren't cute anymore. we'll tell you about that. don't miss a thing, check out our live blog at our website cnn.com/startingpoint. this is from christine romans playlist, the foo fighters "ever long." you're watching "starting point." short break in a moment. 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>> no, first of all our office frankly hasn't been open since the drawing on friday night. so there would be a claim -- sorry, i'm getting a lot of background. >> we'll fix that for you. >> in my earpiece. >> is that any better? keep talking. >> there we go, a lot better. the office hasn't been open since the drawing on friday night and it will open at 8:30 this morning so i think that if we had a winner come forward this morning would be the first opportunity, but we've obviously advised the winner, wherever they are out there, to seek legal and financial advice and we've had a couple jackpot winners last year and it took several days and over a week in one case before the winner came forward. >> so $656 million on the line and you don't have like a saturday number? is that the same thing, mr. jones, in the state of illinois? >> well our state is gripped by one of the three winners and we reached out and asked whoever the person might be to call a couple of numbers in case they wanted to contact us so that we could begin the winner claim process and especially give them advice that steve gave them as far as seeking counsel, signing the back of their ticket, keeping the ticket in a safe place. >> what other advice do you give them? do they have to come forward? do they have to be publicly available and take their photo with the big giant check? i've walked through this many times personally in my head when i win. i would just never ever, ever in a million years go public ever. >> well there's a reason for that. >> isaa state of maryland it's not required -- >> we'll start with you mr. martino. >> sorry. >> i was just going to say in the state of maryland it is not required that a winner do publicity. so that is a choice that the winner would have to make. i think that the law and mikical talk about this in illinois is different. here they would have the choice and last year the two power ball jackpot winners decided not to do publicity. they have to come into the office. we know who they are. they have to claim through us, but there was no media release identifying who the winner was. >> that's different in illinois, isn't it? >> well again, it's interesting. there's an historic reason for it. 19th century, private lotteries that collected the money but never awarded the prizes so in a lot of states in the modern day lotteries in the '60s on there is a requirement. we try to work with a winner to protect them but a reporter like yourself, soledad could ultimately find out who won and it's not a bad thing. we want the equation to work. you bet $1 against long odds and someone won it and here is the person and we proved it. >> in the state of maryland how is the money divvied up? some of it goes into paying off the winners, but where does the rest of the money go? >> well the revenue that the lottery generates, about 30% of our sales, soledad, goes to the state general fund and that is then used by the governor and the legislature to support all the good causes in the state, be it k through 12 public education, higher education, protecting the environment and social services, so the lottery generated $519 million last fiscal year for the state of maryland, we're the fourth largest source of income for the state of maryland, after sales, corporate and income taxes, and so we're obviously pleased about the contribution we make to the state. >> mr. jones final question this morning, the winning ticket in illinois i'm told was bought at the moto mart, i guess in a town that's just south of st. louis, about 30, 35 miles south. at the end of the day, is that do you think someone in that small town, 4,000 people or someone driving through? >> it's a conjunction of several roads but rumor, rife in redbud and everyone is trying to guess who the winner is. >> me too. i wish it were me. not this time around. gentlemen, thank you, appreciate it, good luck and we look forward to the official announcement. ahead this morning, get real, why your kid is not cute anymore. apparently it's scientific. here's peter's playlist, "call me al." we're back in a moment. ♪ mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. interviewer: you were there the day the priceline negotiator went down in that fiery bus crash. sister kathleen: we lost a beautiful man that day but we gained the knowledge that priceline has thousands and thousands of hotels on sale everyday so i can choose the perfect one for me without bidding. ooh, my. this one has an infinity pool. i love those. they just...and then drop off... ...kind of like the negotiator. narrator: save right now on thousands and thousands of hotels during the spring sale at priceline. like splenda® essentials™ no calorie sweeteners. this bowl of strawberries is loaded with vitamin c. and now, b vitamins to boot. coffee doesn't have fiber. unless you want it to. splenda® essentials™ are the first and only line of sweeteners with a small boost of fiber, or antioxidants, or b vitamins in every packet. mmm. same great taste with an added "way to go, me" feeling. splenda® essentials™. get more out of what you put in. ♪ i like that "barefoot and phrasy" off will cain's playlist. our get real this morning, for people who relentlessly post pictures of children on facebook. this is a guide it might be time to stop. according to science your baby stops being cute at 4 1/2 years old. not my children. >> of course. >> they continue to be cute, but a new study that was conducted by researchers in china and canada tried to pinpoint the age at which babies stopped being so irresistably adorable, just before kindergarten. maybe why they push them out of the house at 5. infantile facial cues start going away, the big round face, big eyes, small noses and mouths and that's why when they do animated films they always make the characters with the big giant eyes, basically the face of e.t. was sort of the same things they took off of babies. >> right. we got an extendible neck, not cute. >> the analogy only goes so far. some people's babies do look like aliens but that's another topic. >> i got a 4-year-old and 2 months so sorry, charlie, downhill from here. >> my daughter is almost 4 1/2 so she's got to appreciate it while she can. >> ours are teenagers, stopped being cute a long time ago. >> the eye rolling sullen state when they say things like "mother." >> do they stop being cute to everybody or does that include their parents or just -- >> especially stopping cue to their parents if you haven't washed in by four and a half. still ahead have they dished about their safe househouses and kids, bin laden's widow this is morning have been charged. gop power players past and present are getting behind mitt romney. rick santorum feeling any more pressure this morning? 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remind me. >> we have a long way to go, soledad. this is only half way through the process. wisconsin starts the second half. there's still a lot more votes out there to be counted and why would we want to not allow the rest of the country to have their say and voice their vote? it's a little premature, ridiculous to be talking about getting out of the race. mitt romney doesn't even half way where he needs to be to 1,144. there's a long way to go and a lot of states out there, a lot of votes to be had. rick santorum's done extremely well. we've won 11 states so far, a couple shy of mitt romney's and we'll keep pushing out until someone gets to that number because i think the people deserve it. i think everyone wants to have their voice heard and vote cast. >> you just said that governor romney hasn't gotten half way and you said senator santorum is running well but he's so far behind governor romney. if you look we have three, wisconsin, we've got maryland and we've got washington, d.c. look at the polls. let's throw those up there. mitt romney polling at 40%, rick santorum is polling at 33%, sorry, behind him, and then you have ron paul at 11% and newt gingrich at 8%. if you look at the delegate count, mitt romney at 571, rick santorum 264, gingrich and paul sort of rounding out that list. how do you consistently maintain you have the strongest candidate and there's so much evidence to the contrary? >> well i mean look, after all these states and all this money that mitt romney spent, you got to remember he did this just a few years ago, and two-thirds of the conservative vote don't want mitt romney to be the nominee. how can you say that he's the best person to take on barack obama, when consistently he's proven to be on the same side of the issues of barack obama. >> oh goodness you know i've never said that, i know you're speaking metaphorically. i'm just asking the questions. go ahead, you can jump in. >> this is will cain. i want to ask a question. the list is getting long, former president bush to jeb bush, not just the party establishment but tea party stalwarts, senator ron jo johnson and senator marco rubio. are you saying they're also premature in the process? >> look, if this were all about d.c. endorsements we should have gotten out of this thing a long time ago. this isn't about washington, d.c. it's about the rest of the country and that's why we've been able to do so well in all of the states and that's why rick santorum has won a lot of votes in states. rick made a good joke on the campaign trail talking about paul ryan and marco rubio, said they're great people, they have a lot of respect but they're young and entitled to make mistakes. we still have a long way in the process, 1,144 is the number and everybody will coalesce behind the republican nominee because what's important is beating barack obama but there's a long way to go and there are a lot of votes out there and we'll keep pushing forward and see what we can do. >> rick santorum, i think, has to take more than 70% of the delegates from now on. >> i think it's 80 now. >> to win the nomination. is that realistic? >> it's not necessarily realistic to get to 1,144 at this point for anybody. the bottom line is we've got to keep pushing forward to see where the votes shake out and pull off some surprises, which we've done many times already along the way and we've got to weight out the process, move back into may, where the states shift back to santorum, the southern states. we know mitt romney has a horrible problem in the south, he can't win those states at all. if we move that process and play it all the way out it's set up this way for a reason so we have the best nominee and the best person that our voters have gotten behind to go against barack obama, and it's a long process. we have a long way to go, and right now, if mitt romney won every single state moving forward, it would still be june before he could lock up this nomination. so to talk about this thing being over now is almost ridiculous. we have a long way to go. rick santorum can and has pulled off some surprises and some shockers so far, and we expect to do that moving forward. >> hogan gidley joining us this morning, nice to see you. thank you for being with us. >> thanks, god bless. >> thank you. ahead on "starting point" a groundbreaking new study commissioned by anderson cooper and his "360" staff, it's about children and race. anderson joins me to break that study down coming up next. you're watching "starting point." short break. we're back in a moment. 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"360" teamed up with a renowned child psychologist to measure kids' attitudes about race scientifically. 6-year-old children were shown the picture, what's happening in this picture? are these two children friends? would their parents like it if they were friends? the picture is designed to be ambiguous. it's all about what's happening in the eye of the beholder. then they showed them this picture and asked them the same questions. the only difference is the race of the kids are flipped in those pictures. at cnn's request the testers asked kids open-ended questions about race. the experiences they described were shocking. i had a chance to observe some of the testing and interview some of the kids and parents for the project as well. this is the reality of what kids see, hear and think about race. listen. >> why would a parent want you to get in trouble if you wanted someone to come over to your house who was a different skin color? >> probably because they don't allow. >> why not? why would some parents not allow other skin colored kids to come over? >> probably because they might not like that skin color. >> people have the same skin, you can play together but if you don't have the same skin, you can't play together. >> why can't you play together if you have different colored skin? >> because your mom might not want to you play with that friend. >> i spoke to anderson cooper, asked him what he thought the study discovered. listen. so overall what were the findings of the study? >> there were a lot of different findings. one of the things that surprised me i guess is that the difference in pessimism and optimism about the potential for interracial friendships, amongst 6-year-old white kids, they were, the majority were very pessimistic about the possibility of having interracial friendships, whereas the majority of african-american kids who were 6 years old were much more optimistic about that. i found that interesting. i also thought it was really interesting when you show kids of different races ambiguous pictures, two different pictures in which the races of the people in the pictures changed just to see people's interpretations of what was going on in the pictures, i found really eye-opening, to realize i think a lot of people, a lot of parents in particular don't think a lot of people, a lot of parent in particular, don't think that their children think about race or have formed opinions of race, or have biases. everyone likes to think their kids are colorblind. the color clearly shows that 6-year-old kids have very clear ideas about race and already have, in somebiases. >> why do you think that is? >> just in the study, it seemed more -- more frequent that african-american parents would have conversations about race with their children, whereas, white parents often assumed their children were colorblind and hadn't really had those conversations at all. the other thing that is really important is the environment that the child is growing up in, whether it's a diverse neighborhood, whether the school is majority white, whether it's diverse school majority african-american who saw a distinct differences in attitudes about the potential of having racial friendships among kids and majority of white kids as we did in diverse or majority school kids. >> we did this a year ago. why do you think it's interesting and do you see any connections with the trayvon martin case everybody is talking about? >> i think the study comes at really at a time when questions of race are being asked and debated and, you know, over the killing of trayvon martin. so much of that case hinges on what was george zimman thinking and trayvon martin thinking in the time that they terribly met? >> the perceptions of each other? >> the perceptions of each other. why did george zimmerman view trayvon martin suspicious and why did he get out of the vehicle in order to follow trayvon martin? >> we are talking about pessimism of kids and interracial relationships in 2012. i find that sad. >> i agree. i also think it's interesting that how when it's an interracial friendship, that is one thing. when the kids are 13 and -- >> sort of dating? >> the idea it could be a dating, intimate relationship, a lot of attitudes begin to change even more among by parents or at least kids feel their parents would have a different impression if they actually were intimately involved with somebody from another race. i found that kind of really interesting, surprising to me, frankly. but i think -- i know you agree because you talk with your kids about race. >> probably too much. >> but i do think it can be depressing but i also think not talking about it doesn't seem to be an option either. it's not as if these kids, all of our kids are not forming opinions about race. they are. just whether we talk about it, acknowledge it and figure out a way to make the best of it. >> i thought that was the big take-away conversations and then general relationships. not just with the kids which i think, we, as parents, tend to do. go play with jimmy and bring you here. relationships the parents have and who the parents have in their circle will determine their kids's perception of race. >> the parent acknowledges some much of the kids' perceptions come from the kids early on and you know kids hear everything. even if you think they are not hearing, they are listening and absorbing it. >> thank you, anderson. appreciate it. there were signs of hope and progress as well. take a look at this. >> my grandparents are racist against african-americans and like other races, but it's 2012 so they have to like push that aside. they just keep fighting back and they will will be like, no, that's wrong. you want to stick with your own race. i'm like, no, i'm friends with everyone. >> cute little girl. one of the most fun parts about doing she's interviews is sit down and talk to the 6-year-olds and talk to the 12-year-olds about sort of their just friendships in general. not even about race, just their conversations are really fascinating. for parents who think 6-year-olds aren't having conversation about race, they absolutely are. we got a chance to talk to the parents who had watched their kids on tape. >> and they were surprised. >> who were so brave. i never would do that! let people take my kid and watch. no, no. they were great and what they said is fascinating and that is on anderson's show as he goes through the special tonight on "ac 360." >> still ahead, jokes on mitt romney at a pancake breakfast in milwaukee. we will show you how a staff got him, kind of, on april fool's. also is this the best it's ever been? 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>> i can't see him. i don't want to go out there and i don't know what is going on. they're sending -- >> you think he is yelling help? >> yes. >> all right. what is your -- >> this morning, we spoke to tom owen, an audio forensics expert. here is what he said. >> if we're comparing zimmerman versus the screams, then we are getting a likelihood ratio of 48% and false rejection rate of 12.35% and a false acceptance rate of 14.9%. those low numbers get translated as it's very unlikely that it is the same person. >> now, he says he has not compared the screams with the voice of trayvon martin so it's impossible for him to say whether or not the screaming is, in fact, trayvon martin. let's get to barrel parks an attorney for trayvon martin's family. thanks for being bus. have you done your own forensics testing on the shouting and screaming in that audiotape? it could be relevant if this entire thing goes to court. >> well, i think it's important because of our use of expert lawyers, you may not know this, but i'm also president of the national bar association. so my familiarity with expert witnesses is very, very in-depth. i think that this expert's opinions are very important in this case and analyses that was done by both pertains will go a long way with assistanting us in this case. >> he did not have an audio clip of trayvon martin to do a comparison and determine what percentage likelihood was that it is, in fact, trayvon screaming on that tape. is that something your going to provide to him or another expert analyst? >> we are more than happy to do that immediately so he can do additional testing. i think it's important -- he did make it clear the test he did was one way of testing it and the second aspect that he would do if he had a replica of trayvon's voice which we will give to him. >> george zimmerman if you read the police report maintains he was the one screaming for help. he said i scream for help and no one came to help me. do you think that is at all possible there is some screaming he has done on that tape? >> i doubt it very seriously. our clients tell us that that voice they hear screaming is trayvon's voice and we believe them. >> let me ask you about some of the facts of the case and some of the forensic evidence you're looking for. have you gotten a copy of the autopsy report yet? >> not yet. >> is that typical or is that unusual? really, it's been over a month since trayvon was killed. >> it's very typical. at our firm, we do a lot of work involving wrongful death type work and the toxicology of an autopsy report takes a good deal of time. normally, the range can go between four weeks and eight weeks in our state in terms of the return on an autopsy report. there are some circumstances where it can be rushed but that hasn't been done in this particular case. so it's not out of the ordinary for to to some amount of time. >> the copy of the police report i have says partial report only and it's sort after list with some stuff blacked out of the witnesses and then george zimmerman and trayvon martin's information is basically on it, but sketchy details of what happened that night. i have to imagine when george zimmerman was brought into the police station they got more of a detailed account of exactly what happened that night. that is missing from the police report. do you have access to that? have you seen that? >> yes. we have seen the reports. the report you're speaking of is the initial report was done february 27th, around 3:00 a.m. it does have a good deal of information on there. as you may recall, one of the information that we take exception to is they list trayvon's address and date of birth, yet they don't contact the family. there's some concern whether that information was put in there initially or added at a later date. all of those, i think, are fair game for the inquiry by the officials that they do a fresh look at this case in its entirety. >> i was going to ask you about that. you say you would like to investigate the role the state attorney who decided not to follow the recommendations of the homicide investigator in this case. explain that to me in greater depth, please. >> well, two things. one, as you know, the lead investigator asked that -- wasn't buying mr. zimmerman's story. we have strong concerns about the process that was -- that took place here and possible influence that may have went into that decision. as you know, when we met with the justice department, they told us that any concerns that we may have had about this situation in its totality and if we raise those concerns to them, we would look into it. we have concern and our clients relayed that to us and we relayed it to the justice department and hope they will look at this to determine what is the process, was there some influence, that probably should not have taken place to lead to that decision. let me say this here. we understand completely here in america, prosecutors are normally given broad discretion. however, we believe in this situation, this decision may have went beyond that discretion. >> daryl parks joining us this morning, nice to see you and thank you for talking with us and appreciate the update. >> thank you. >> you bet. we have heard the protesters shouting "i am trayvon martin." who exactly is trayvon martin? we have talk to trayvon martin's former football coach, jerome horton and he will join us later in the hour. christine romans has a look at the headlines. experts from all over the world are investigating a deadly russian plane crash. 31 people were killed when a plane crashed in a siberian oil town. the plane went down during takeoff and bursting into flames and breaking into pieces. only 12 people survived and they are recovering from intensive care. two injured sailors pulled from their crippled racing yacht nearly 300 miles off the california coast. the yacht and four-person crew had been disabled in a storm this weekend when it was hit by a monster wave. they were competing in an around the world race. the injured sailors were air-lifted to san francisco for medical treatment. nfl players could soon face criminal charges in the case of the bounty hits where they made money to take out opposing teams' players during games. that is according to reports this morning that also say the players association has hired lawyers to represent them. commissioner roger goodell is still weighing punishment for players connected to those bounties. he has already suspended saints head coach sean payton for the yeven and the defensive coordinator gregg williams indefinitely. gm mickey loomis and joe vitt were also suspended. payton, loomis, and vitt are suspending. kentucky and kansas go head-to-head for the national title in new orleans. kansas pulling off a stunning comeback over ohio state on saturday to get there! kentucky held off in-state louisville to advance opinion meanwhile, kentucky fans starting fires and rioting after their win. there are reports police arrested more than two dozen people. no one was seriously hurt, though. thankfully. police are taking some extra steps tonight to prevent a repeat of that. new study reveals that u.s. airlines are performing at an all-time high. the annual airline quality rating tracks the 14 largest carriers. the 2011 rate wag the highest in the 22 years since the study began. researchers cited improvements in baggage handling, fewer delayed and overbooked flights and fewer customer complaints. soledad? my twitter is on fire already! people are like, i'm sorry, what? it's the best? >> all i'm going to say is well, huh. i had a nice experience on jetblue. no pilot blocked himself out of the cockpit. i have a low bar. it all went fine. my husband missed that entire story. i was explaining. what, what happened? >> you flew jetblue? >> i did and it was a great weekend and went smoothly. i very rarely have complaints but i cover them a lot on the tv but i'm not sure how i feel about that study. thanks, christine. ahead, we will talk to members of the muslim brotherhood, the force behind the change we have seen in egypt but feared by many people and talk about why they decided to pull an about-face and put up a presidential candidate now. the amazing thing books and teachers and suspended for it. detroit students walk out of class because they say they have nothing left to lose. we leave you with christine's playlist. you're watching "starting point." ♪ i'm walt gale, i worked at the colorado springs mail processing plant for 22 years. we processed on a given day about a million pieces of mail. checks, newspapers, bills. a lot of people get their medications only through the mail. small businesses depend on this processing plant. they want to shut down 3000 post offices, cut 100,000 jobs. they're gonna be putting people out of work everywhere. the american people depend on the postal service. introducing gold choice. the freedom you can only get from hertz to keep the car you reserved or simply choose another. and it's free. ya know, for whoever you are that day. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. ♪ ( whirring and crackling sounds ) man: assembly lines that fix themselves. the most innovative companies are doing things they never could before, by building on the cisco intelligent network. ♪ you didn't show up that night there must be some misunderstanding must be some kind of mistake ♪ ♪ ♪ >> that is genesis, "misunderstanding" from your playlist. i haven't heard that in a long time. education secretary duncan has called this the worst school in the country. a group of students agree and took action nearly 50 students walked out of classes chanting "we want education." students say there is a shortage of teachers and books among other issues. one said this. we have wronged and disrespected and lied to and cheated. they didn't listen to us when we complained to the admission, they didn't listen to the parents when they complained to the administration, so i guess this is the only way to get things solved. the detroit area students were reportedly suspended for the protests. lets get to steve perry a cnn contributor and i see you shaking your head like this. what do you find most stunning about this story, steve? >> what i find most stunning about this story is that we don't really lies how much our children want an education. so many times, children from historically disadvantaged are malaligned. the reason they don't give one the adults in position to give them one are not held accountable. every single teacher and custodian and principal and everybody else in the school need to write a letter of apology to every single child in the school and every single taxpayer because the children have been robbed what we believe in this country a basic human right. >> i guess that is not forthcominging ever in the history of forever. i thought it was pretty unusual you have young students as steve points out, get a wrap for not caring about their education. i think maybe even more often it happens to kids who are in schools that are doing badly. no sense they have these high expectations. i thought it was interesting to see the kids literally protesting because they felt like they were being ripped off honestly. >> kids in many cases protest, but they don't organize. the way in which many kids protest, they just stop coming to school. they don't feel like everybody wants them. children are the first people in my school to inform me typically that a teacher is not doing their job. kids are paying attention. they are kids. they are not dumb. because they are young doesn't mean they don't understand they are being played. they understand that they are -- that there is going to be expectations once they leave these failed schools to participate in the economy, not the urban economy, not the black economy, not the poor economy, but the whole economy. they know. one student was quoted as saying i know when i go off to college i'm going to be behind. i recognize that. it shouldn't be. if i go to school 187 days out of the year, i should get 187 days worth of education. >> i think the reason that we are all so surprised by this we personally identify say today the substitute teacher came in. we were excited and we didn't have to work as hard. what if that was like every day? this is efficient day all year long for students and becomes unacceptable. how about a revoke of the suspension? why are all of these kids suspended? >> how ironic. you walk out and you're suspended and not going to class any more unless it's in-school suspension. >> i hope it catches on. trayvon martin is safely rights issue of today and this is also a civil rights issue of today. i'm sure lots and lots of schools and i i think other kids see this and say adults not demanding we get a good education. we should demand it. to make it a national issue people say -- >> walking out, right? in the short term, drama. but in the long term, what happens to the student? they miss a day. monday comes again. they are back in school. what happens? >> it puts pressure on the teachers and the principal. >> it gets us having this conversation. they walked out of frederick douglass. they said enough is enough. these kids get it and own the namesake of their school and these are young black men who often malaligned themselves as not caring about education. the first ones to be identified as special ed, the first ones to be suspended these kids are saying that is not us. you are missing the point. we want an education. we came here to learn and nobody is teaching us. one teacher out 68 days? are you kidding me? >> yeah. that was kind of a stunning number in some of the statistics on the story and shocking. steve perry, nice to see you. still ahead, we will talk about women voters when are fleeing the gop and some key swing states. new polls showing that president obama is trouncing republicans among female voters. we will break down those numbers for you. the actor who is going to play steve jobs in a new movie. he is not really known for playing thoughtful, brilliant men. we will tell you who it is. we leave you with peter's playlist. elvis costello. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: slow ] [ sighs ] [ announcer ] all work and no play... will make brady miss his favorite part of the day. ♪ [ upbeat ] [ barking ] [ whines ] that's why there's beneful playful life, made with energy-packed wholesome grains... and real beef and egg. to help you put more play in your day. beneful. play. it's good for you. wow. this is new. yep, i'm sending the dancing chicken to every store in the franchise to get the word out. that could work. or you could use every door direct mail from the postal service. it'll help you and all your franchisees find the customers that matter most -- the ones in the neighborhood. you print it or we'll help you find a local partner. great. keep it moving, honey. honey? 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>> well, soledad, this has been our decision from the beginning and we have taken this decision based on the democratic choice of our organization. however, the -- the -- during this transitional period, many updates happen that made us change that decision. >> what kinds of things made you change your mind? >> yeah. currently, we feel that the current candidates, they lack some leadership potential that would bring about stability in egypt and in our international relations. we believe there is some type of leadership vacuum among the current candidates and we feel that we now have historic responsibility to feel the candidate who we believe will provide this kind of responsible leadership and who will safeguard the democratic process, which we feel now is threatened by many attempts to dissolve the current parliament or to hinder the establishment of the current assembly. >> doctor, it's like she is saying they don't like the flow. is al considered to be more conservative? he woys about women working outside the home and would like to abolish the peace treaty between egypt and israel. is the reason to put up a candidate because of him specifically? >> first of all, thank you, soledad, for having us. >> it's our pleasure. >> it's very important for us to bridge the understanding so we know each firsthand experience. i think the reason why we are having engineers as a candidate after the egyptian revolution a year ago. egyptian is having democracy, freedom, and rule of law at the time being. when we made that decision not to have a candidate, it was a democratic decision. we changed it through democratic process as well. we think it is very important for the egyptians to have variety of candidates so that they can issue as long as the bottom line is the voting process. the bottom line is the freedom to vote and if the vote for one or the other, it's an egyptian vote and we will commit one way or the other. >> help us understand. because one of the charges that is often made against the brotherhood when you do what do you now you make a tour around the country you say things to us in english you would be opposed to female genital mutilation but in egyptian you speak the option. which is the truth? >> we expect that conspiracy theory is somewhat of the third world. not in the united states. we would like to believe one another. i got a ph.d. from the university of pittsburgh. this is what we believe in and look what we did in the past and what we want. we participated in the revolution in egypt to create the democracy rule of law and justice for all egyptians and that is what we focus on. >> of israel and you are opposed to female genital mutilation? >> we have reiterated our position both towards the treaty with israel and all of the treaties that have been signed by previous governments and we expressed our full commitment to these. and we are not willing to change any of these treaties unless there is a popular will to change that. actually, now, we have our own priorities at home. we have our priorities are mainly economic and we would like to bring about economic stability. we would like to bring about security and we want to build sustainable democratic institutions and this is what the egyptian people want. the egyptian people now are not preoccupied with any confrontation or any kind of instable relations with the outside world. >> so what is islamist rule look like under the mus rim brolim brotherhood? you said women have a role in the work force? >> absolutely. >> what else? you have minority, religious minority that makes up roughly 5% to 10% of the population. describe for me what it would look like. >> as our name indicates, we are the freedom and justice party. what we would like to achieve in egypt is actually a civil democratic state that is based on the rule of law. and we adopt the demands of the egyptian revolution on top of which was the human dignity, freedom, and justice and democracy and these are the principles of our party and this is not new. this has been our belief since the establishment of our organization. >> but can't a presidential candidate is new and i wonder if that is because -- although you control most of parliament i wonder if you guys want to have a more controlling role over the writing of the constitution? that is not really our decision. it is the decision of the egyptian people and we will speak to what the egyptians -- as they can do and everyone has the right to run for election in his own country. if the egyptian people choose another one, that is egyptian decision and that has to be respected by all. >> that has to be our final question this morning. i want to thank you for coming in to talk with us. we will continue to talk to you as you make your tour around and hopefully come back to new york to talk to us. thank you both. we appreciate your tichlt thank you. >> take a break. he calls president obama the jewish president in his new book. our panel member, peter beinart will talk about his new book. who is trayvon martin? 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>> i've called for us to commit and invest in democratic israel. israeli's original lines where all people have the right to citizenship and makes me proud as a zionist of israel that israel was founded as a democracy but not to spend our money in the west bank where only jews have citizenship and palestinians don't because that actually violates israeli's founding ideals. >> you say a risk if you don't do that? >> the risk if you don't do that you create a choice where israeli has to choose between being a democracy. >> are you getting hammered from the right and left on this book? >> sure. a lot of think there shouldn't be a jewish state. my conservative jewish friends feel we should keep it within the jewish family but i really believe we have an obligation to our children to tell the truth about the dangers that israel faces so we can pass a jewish state democratic jewish state down to our children. it seems to me the miracle of israel for me is not just that a jewish state was created but in the shadow of the holocaust and declaration of independence promised complete equality of rights and irrespective of sex. >> nice to have you talking about your book. appreciate your joining our panel today. take a break. back in a moment. we will talk to trayvon martin's former coach and ask him what trayvon was like as a kid. and who ordered the yummy cereal? 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how was it? >> oh, it was amazing. just the fact of seeing that many people come together in one place just for trayvon was great. >> tell me a little bit more about trayvon. his mom spoke a little bit about him at the rally but i think for a lot of people who are outside of the case, they are trying to understand what this young man was like. give me a little more insight and information about him. >> trayvon was -- he was an excellent, smart kid. i mean, he loved to smile. he loved music. he loved airplanes. for some reason, he just got into airplanes and he just -- that was something he took to. >> i'm curious to know if he was confrontational. the reason is matters, of course, is from what we are hearing about what might have happened that night, according to george zimmerman's side of the story told through his friend joe oliver told through his brother and also told through his father. here's a little bit of what his father had to say. >> trayvon martin said something to the effect of you're going to die now or you're going to die tonight, something to that effect. he continued to beat george and, at some point, george pulled his pistol and did what he did. >> the three of them speaking for george zimmerman had said that it was trayvon that attacked and was literally slamming george zimman's head in the concrete in excess of a minute. was he at all a confrontational, aggressive young man? >> in all my years of knowing trayvon, i have never known trayvon to get into a confrontation, a fight of any sort with anybody. i mean, whether it's kids or adults. anyone that knows trayvon, especially adult, they will all tell you he is most respectful kid you will ever meet. i take phone calls now because everyone doesn't believe that is the trayvon that is being portrayed in the media. >> there were some reports of his suspensions that had been leaked because that kind of thing would be protected in his school record, would be protected. it seemed like someone was trying to paint a picture of a kid who maybe wasn't such a great kid. looked like one of the suspensions was due to a baggy that had some kind of marijuana residue in his backpack. tell me about his behavior. was he a good kid? >> he was a great quid. i mean, he was your typical normal teen. trayvon didn't do anything that any of us did from the ages of, you know, 14 to 17. i mean, everything that you hear coming out. i mean, we all expect stuff like that to come out because of the hype of this case. we understand that but people who truly know trayvon and you know everything that trayvon deals with, you know that none of that means anything that makes what he was. >> you had the chance to spend the weekend with trayvon's family and one of the things i've noticed now having interviewed them a bunch of times is just how exhausted, physically exhausted they are. how are they holding up and what is helping them kind of keep it together? it's been a very grueling process for them. >> that is so true. they are very, very tired. but, you know, when i talked to them and as coach tracy and sybrina tell me the same thing. what would trayvon do? trayvon would want them to keep on going. they will keep fighting until they have justice. when they have justice, like they said, then they will be able to mourn their son. but right now they will fight and fight until they don't have any fight in them. >> jerome horton is trayvon martin's former football coach. thank you for talking with us and painting a more in-depth picture of him. we apressure that. >> thank you for having me. >> a pleasure. we will take a break. do our end point up next with our panel. everyone in america depends on the postal service. i get my cancer medications through the mail. now washington, they're looking at shutting down post offices coast to coast. closing plants is not the answer. they want to cut 100,000 jobs. it's gonna cost us more, and the service is gonna be less. we could lose clientele because of increased mailing times. the ripple effect is going to be devastating. congress created the problem. and if our legislators get on the ball, they can make the right decisions. a living, breathing intelligence teaching data how to do more for business. 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