handful of steps made by the federal government in recent years to address the deadly scourge of gun vile innocence america. the court opening the floodgates now to the spread of a tool that made possible the deadliest mass shooting in our country's history. in a 6-3 decision that splits on the ideological lines the nation's highest court eliminate add ban on bump stocks. now, bump stock is an accessory that make as deadly weapon a semiautomatic rifle. imagine this. even deadlier. bump stocks banned by the trump administration after a lone gunman perched on the 32nd floor of the mandalay resort in las vegas armed to the teeth with semiautomatic rifles outfitted with bump stocks and rained bullets down on a crowd of 22,000 people there to enjoy a concert. a mid panic and confusion, many didn't realize what was happening. he murdered 60 people and injured more than 500 more. in a series of rapid-fire bursts of gunfire made possible by bump stocks. this was that scene. [ gunfire ] [ bleep ]. >> they're not -- >> what is it? >> oh -- >> what it is, is bump stock amplified semiautomatic rifles firing into a crowd of people. and today the supreme court allowed for that kind of carnage to take place. again. writing for the majority justice clarence thomas said the federal government overreached using a 100-year-old law banning machine guns to ban bump stocks, because, he writes, a semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock does not meet the technical definition of a machine gun. which is banned. or justice sotomayor put it, it does not meet majority's torture contrived definition of a machine gun. in a scathing dissent she read trt bench to underscore her xas feration and frustration with the decision, justice sotomayor sewed, "today the court puts bump stocks back in civilian hands to do so it casts aside congress' definition of a machine gun and seizes upon one that is inconsistent with the ordinary meaning of the statutory text and supported by context. when i see a bird walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, i call ta bird a duck. a bump stock semiautomatic rifle fires more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function at the trigger. i, like congress, call that a machine gun i respectful listy dissent. this will have deadly consequences." where we start today with favorite experts and friends. senior editor for slate host of the amicus podcast is here. plus former top prosecutor at doj and msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann is back with us at the table. author and "new york times" best-selling book "columbine" and "parkland: birth of a movement" back with us and host of "politicsnation" the reverend al sharpton is here. i read, reported earlier in the week, the newtown class of kids in first grade graduated this year. just to think of how much of our adult lives, an for those high school graduates, they're entire childhoods are now shaped by these searing national tragedies of mass shootings, and that we choose to continue to live like this. it makes this decision extraordinary. >> it does. you know, the reason the parkland kids rose up so quickly and powerfully is because they were born to this. when they went to kindergarten already having the drills and were so angry and waiting for this to happen to their school so when it happened, like, they were ready and went for it. and you know, it's just astounding. you know, i'm sure others can speak to this others, but, oh, yeah. this is so historic, because the first major gun legislation, biggest ever had, two in the 1930s, i believe in '33 and '38 where it was specifically in response to al capone and the gangster era of the tommy gun and machine guns. that they did this. it was the first and most important thing congress ever addressed, the machine gun. and nearly a century later, six politicians on the supreme court repealed that act out of nowhere. you know, the great thing for them is, like, they don't have to get the president's signature. there's no veto. they should just do it by fiat. dictator of six to legislate whatever they want and this is just astounding. >> so it isn't lost on anybody, so that people understand what they did today. i really do want to show people what a bump stock is. i want to try to eliminate what justice sotomayor wrote in her dissent. watch this. >> so watch here as my hand pulls forward on the barrel of the gun. this bring as trigger up to my stationary trigger finger. my finger never moves but still connects with the trigger due to the forward motion of the gun. the gun then fires. and the recoil brings the gun back to my stationary finger over and over causing the trigger to be pulled again and again very quickly until i run out of ammo. accuracy is severely compromised but accuracy isn't the point of full auto. here's the semiauto firing rate one more time. [ gunfire ] my finger was pulling the trigger manually. here it is again with the currently fully legal bump stock installed on thear 15. [ gunfire ] rapid gun fire ] >> covering the trump trial, the world is watching. think think this is the thing that makes mtd world feel differently about tourism. feel differently about work visas. feel differently about student visas. feel differently about the mind of the people living in a country that think that that's necessary. >> right. what i do, when i do interviews after these horrible things i do a lot of u.s. and then abroad. they're completely different. the opening questions from uk, australia anywhere in the world, africa, starts out with a version, what the hell is wrong with you people? why haven't you done something about guns yet. they're astounded and can't believe it and now we just took a huge step backwards, not just forwards. and i served in the u.s. infantry and we had on our f-16s both a semiautomatic mode and flip a switch and it became a machine gun. automatic machine gun, and that looks just like what we did flipping that switch. so glad to hear justice sotomayor say that about walks like a duck. my first response. first i thought, well, i'm not an expert in mechanics or guns. maybe i'm wrong. then i read that and thinking, like, sometimes it helps just to be a civilian. saying, this is obviously a machine gun. from somebody who's fired a machine gun in the infantry, it's quite obvious. glad she said they're tortured logic. had to invent a ridiculous thing to say machine guns are okay now, you know, technology figured out a re-create machine guns and said, okay. >> andrew weissmann. show you what jamie raskin said about what the supreme court is up to on this front. >> the supreme court has been on a, on a rampage with the respect of states and localities to pass reasonable gun safety measures and they turned the rhetoric of originalism on and off according to their ideological purposes. so nobody is saying that the flint stock musket is the only protected weapon because that's what existed in the 18th century. the nra has succeeded in poisoning reasonable public debate about this. 90% of americans want to see a violent criminal background check and want to close the loopholes in the brady legislation so that people can't get the firearms online or get firearms at a private gun show without going through a background check. and yet the supreme court is driving everything in the wrong direction. >> we cove the crisis at the supreme court in terms of the public space in it. it's sort of a tortured breed of ethics lapses and decisions that are so far out of the mainstream. ban of bump stocks was a trump administration policy. >> so i think it's very hard to look at this and not just get increasingly cynical about the supreme court. i mean, i try very hard to be thinking about, well, is there some rational argument for majority here? and it's very hard to see, because you sit there and say, okay. you have to conceive that the sotomayor dissent is at least, should i say a rational view that the executive branch could take of this law. in other words, look, let's assume the sort of best case. reasonable minds could differ. this could be viewed as fitting within the definition of a machine gun, and maybe some people would disagree. and that's where the court is -- they're not in the legislature. they're not in the executive branch. and it really comes down to sort of who on god's green earth do they think they are? this was a decision that either congress has made or that the white house has made, and it is a reasonable one, and it is impossible to see this other than through the lens of the second amendment and because they want to see the second amendment in anything that would interfere with even the right to bear a machine gun, which by the way not in the constitution, we are going to strike down. and that's where it's just such disrespect for the other branches of government, and so it's just so hard to not view this through a political lens, when it's just impossible to view what justice sotomayor wrote as being irrational, and the standard then is. so what deference is the court giving at all to either congress or to the white house in making a reasonable restriction here on saying that -- because everyone agrees. machine guns could be banned. they're just trying to come up with a technicality that allows it to not be here. and it just isn't their role. so i just think this is an example of justice roberts with all due respect who said he's here to call balls and strikes. i don't think so. that's not what was going on here. >> it made me think, andrew of the lord windsor under cover stape with roberts where he said just here to cite cases. this doesn't feel like that and to congressman jamie raskin's point, you know, he accuses the court of being on a "rampage" with respect to states and localities to pass reasonable gun safety measures. have any of those survived this supreme court? >> some do survive, but not a whole lot. i mean -- and here, that really i think gets at the core, which is what is the standard of deference? and what you see is that when there's a law that they don't like, the standard of deference to congress or to the white house, even to the trump white house, is put on the back burner. and that is not supposed to be their role. and that's where i think the combination of justice sotomayor and the clip you just played is so hard not to see this in black and white. like, anybody would look at what, the clip you just played and say that's a machine gun. and even if you could come up whip the good lawyers could always come up with a different argument, that shouldn't be the standard. it shouldn't be, can you come up with some standard? is should be, no. guess what? you have to defer to congress saying machine guns out and the executive branch saying we have determined this is sufficiently akin to a machine gun in terms of harm and the mechanisms, the sort of walks and talks like a duck, that you're deferring to it, and so it's so hard to not view this through a sort of prism of we want to get to this end result. >> dahlia, i keep thinking of justice sotomayor and put this out there. how are they connected, the dots. i think history of this court is told in part through statements and dissents, one is the quote stench of the court. not because of what it decided in dobbs because because of the way the case made it to the supreme court, reverse legislation waiting for appointments confirmed and overturning roe. the pain she said she was in an ain interview at harvard goes back to her office and "cries" sometime. then walks like a duck. she is speaking to all of us. is that intentional? >> it is intentional. it's very much i think in the vein of what justice ginsburg was doing. using dissents core to say to the american public, hey, are you out there? this is not appropriate. you need to be acting on this. and i just think one other thing to amplify andrew's really smart point about this is one justice, clarence thomas, substituting his judgment, right, for all of the fact-finding years of thinking and working on this by atf and here's clarence thomas and he's got some info graphics and he's got a gif. pops those into the opinion as if to say this is -- i'm not the expert on bump stocks and i know more than the atf and than congress. just to be super clear. these come from the gun supporters, right? these are coming directly from lobbyists who did the work-around to turn not machine guns into machine guns and then to say these aren't machine gun. so when clarence thomas at the end of this is whole line of influence is, like, hey, i agree. these aren't machine guns. this isn't the process working. this is the exact outcome desired by a gun industry that created a product to end the machine gun ban and went to the court to shea muir sure the product end runs the machine gun ban. this is not the supreme court acting not like a court. this is justice thomas seemingly instituting the will of the gunmakers for fact-finding and government. >> i came up and recall politics when every republican campaign was about the supreme court. the dog caught the car. the court is now unpopular all wait across the ideological spectrum through much of the republican party in america. it is now doing things that only the fringe on the right is excited an animated by. what is the political moment like, in your view, in terms how this court is on reproductive rights, on voting rights and on gun safety? >> i think they have really pushed the envelope to where i think normal just reasonable people are going to say enough is enough. anyone in their right mind knows the reason that they even created bump stocks was to get around the technical definition of what a machine gun was. so now the supreme court is saying, yep. we're going along with that. and stacked by trump supporters? trump nominees. so you're going to quote all kind of technicalities with anything else, but with this, this technicality stops everything. we're not even talking about how harmful it can be. 60 people were killed in las vegas. this is not one of those, well, you know, rev, you don't know it's going to happen. it has happened and it happened because of a bump stock and you are now saying, well, you don't define it right. what other definition would you give it if it was created in order to make that kind of weapon, an assault weapon, operate like a machine gun? with that bump stock in, it is a machine gun and we're going to really argue that when 60 families are going through father's day with some fathers dead and you're going to sit and play games in the supreme court? this is an affront to all of america. >> you understand politics in sort of a campaign climate. i mean, do you feel like overturning a trump era gun safety measure is, you know, one of these things is not like the other in terms of illustrating how extreme this court is? >> i think you would think if you heard from mr. trump and the republican maga crowd today i think you played raskin. i'm waiting to see where are the maga republicans saying, how bad this is? where's donald trump? he has something to say about everything. right away on truth social. i guess this isn't enough truth and not enough social for him. >> suddenly without wi-fi. still to come for us, reaction from the biden campaign on the supreme court's decision today. campaign co-chair mitch landrieu joins us. asking him about the spreading disinformation and deceptive videos amounting to what could be described or feel like or experienced as election interferes with now less than five months to go until the general election in november. plus the lies and conspiracies about law enforcement when it comes to donald trump. supporter of the ex-president charged criminally after making a horrifying and frightening threat against an agent connected to the hunter biden trial. and later trash-talking american cities opinion this time milwaukee. mayor of the largest city, battleground wisconsin called his attack "unhinged" our guest. all of those stores and more after a quick break. don't go anywhere. with cascade platinum plus i have upped my dish game. i just scrape... load... and i'm done. in that dishwasher? 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"firing multiple shots using a semiautomatic rifle with a bump stock requires more than a single function of the trigger. the shooter must also actively maintain just the right amount of forward pressure on the rifle's front grip with his non-trigger hand. too much forward presh around the rifle will slide back far enough to relief and reset the trigger preventing the rifle from firing another shot. too little presh around the trig letter not bump the shooter's trigger furl with sufficient force to fire another shot. without this ongoing input a semiautomatic rifle with a bump stock will not fire multiple shots. thus firing multiple shots requires engaging the trigger one time and then some -- what, this is -- you know, justice sotomayor's line about tortured contrivance. does this represent a farther escalation and articulation of the nra's world view or just the latest window into it has always been clarence thomas' approach to these kind of cases? this wasn't a second amendment case. this was a challenge to the administrative state, to the power of the of the government agencies to make laws, but this is an extraordinary thing to read and behold. >> yeah. let's be super clear. this is not a second amendment case. this does a statutory interpretation case. we still have a second amendment case, rahimi, the adjudicated domestic violence perpetrator who is seeking to have his gun rights restored because at the time of the founding there was no such thing as domestic violence. that case is still coming and that is a second amendment case. i think you're right. i don't think there's any other way to read clarence thomas' page after page of sort of gun fetish fan fiction. like i said, accompanied with photos and images and lots of substituting of his own understanding how guns work for that of the atf. it's their job to do this. it's his job to be a justice, but i think it is, and you're saying really an essential thing, which is this is of a pattern we've seen over and over and over again, where justices take it upon themselves to decide what clean water is. what swamp land is, what is air pollution? what is a particle? what is covid? i think that the idea that government agencies don't know what they're doing, and so the justices can sort of read a quick tutorial and become experts on all things is really at the sort of beating heart of what is so very scary about this opinion and so many others. it is a systemic effort to dismantle the administrative state as we know it and to substitute the ideas that justices get. principally from amicus briefs from interested parties as truths. >> and this comes literally day after we learned about more lavish gifts that harlan crow gave just one of them, clarence thomas. what is the state of the rest of the court's sort of being able to absorb and survive this combination of opinions and dobbs that makes clear marriage equality in america is not safe, that makes clear that writing in technical terms, language lifted from the most radical elements of gun rights groups in america is totally in his view appropriate for supreme court justice and that adds to that 4.2 million dollars in gifts that weren't disclosed properly or in a timely manner? >> you heard me say this to you before but i want to say it one more time with enthusiasm. we keep telling these two stories as though they're two different stories. right? an ethics story to justices alito and thomas who have gifts, conflicts of interests, wives who are flag fliers, happy flag day, by the way, and then we have this other story what's happening, right, on the docket and what's coming in the 20-some cases we'll get between now and end of the term. i just want to say again. it's the same story. this is a really good example of that where you have people like the koch brothers. you have people like leonard leo and falsinger pouring money into advocacy groups and supporting clarence thomas. not too distinct stories. this is a story bought and sold by a couple of al oligarchs and there's a supreme court problem. >> the most important thing uttered in a long time on this program that i'm so happy you put it that way, and i have the reporting that in this news cycle underscores that. share that with you and get to you weigh in on this. andrew, "although the case centers on firearms it is not a second amendment challenge. rather it is one of several cases terms seeking to undercut power of the administrative agencies." challenger, michael a gun shop in texas backed by new civil liberties alliance advocacy group with financial ties to charles koch. a billionaire long supported conservative and libertarian causes. the organization primarily targets what it considers unlawful uses of administrative power. >> the old left-right framework around abortion and gun safety is dead and i hope no one tries to lay it over the electorate because these opinions are on the other side of 85% of american whose support gun safety legislation and dobbs 76% of all americans thaw roe was appropriately decided. the supreme court in the tiniest, tiniest pocket of political enthusiasts awb 9 to 15% of americans supporting their positions on reproductive health care and guns. >> so two quick points. one, when trump was first returning in 2016, there were people, you know, i'm a lawyer. there were friends who were conservative lawyers who said i'm voting for trump because of the court. and because of judicial restraint, and the idea that liberals were going to have this expansive view how they interpret rights of the constitution and that conservative justices understood the role of the court was to be, to show restraint in terms of their power and to let congress do its job and the executive branch do its job. for those people i would say look at this decision. this is the complete antithesis of that. this is the court reaching out and it's not in anyway showing judicial strength or in any way saying we need to respect the other branches. this is them just acting as another political arm, and to dahlia's point in terms what is going to come, we, right now, without the decision on immunity that we thought might come today but it's going to come in the, either next week or the week after, that decision has been made already. that we have a supreme court that is complicit in making sure that one president will not be held to account as nancy pelosi said yesterday on msnbc that people want to white pwhitewash happened january ofth -- 6th and forget it. a supreme court is acting in a political sphere regardless of their decision. it's the non-decision and the stay imposed that is completely at one with what we saw today in the gun case. in other words, all of this is linked. they're coming out in different spheres, but you're seeing the court act in a way that is so antithetical to what we used to think of as sort of traditional republican views of what the role of the supreme court should be. >> my concern is as with trump, as norm after norm filed, disorienting. took a long time to quack like a quack you're a duck walk like a duck you're a duck. and the supreme court continues to act in ways that are -- help like you and dahlia we call it like we see it. they benefit when we don't and that's what they saept. dave's book "columbine" extraordinary. 25th anniversary of that book. edition out. and others stick around with us. up next joined by the biden campaign co-chairman. much more ahead. don't go anywhere today. where . 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>> first of all thank you for having me. this decision today just is another kick in the gut. it's not a surprise. it shouldn't be for anybody that's watched with the maga wing of the republican party, what they've tried to do with seizing power in state legislature, the congress and, yes, the supreme court. this is donald trump's supreme court. what a supreme court who wants to take america back again into the dark ages, it looks like, and should cause people in america to shutter when you take it not only for what it said today but take it in context. the decision today to basically make peaceful streets in america by putting a machine gun in everybody's hands is something that just, it's hard to fathom. pt number of americans killed on american soil from gun violence since 1980 is over 1 million people. more american citizens killed in all wars americans fought in in the 20th and 21st century. sit on that. of course, clarence thomas thinks give everybody a machine gun is how you deal with that. you saw the president and vice president said. here's the most important message. this election is going to be a choice between a guy named joe biden who gets up every day fighting for the american people who passed the largest gun safety mesher in history of the country tried to fund the police, trump has tried to defund the police. appoints supreme court justices that reflect the ideas of america and hold true to the constitution in a way that thoughtful judges should. this court has demonstrated in the last couple months how they are so willing to eviscerates rights from dobbs to the redistricting decision made the other day and now to this incredible legislation. there is a much bigger picture here and if you want more clarence thomas and alito then vote for trump. you want a thoughtful reasonable court, kind of court joe biden presided over for the years a senator, vice president and now president you pick joe biden. it's a really sad, sad, sad decision tortured in language and reasoning from justice thomas. >> listening to you, interesting. the polls support everything you just said. 85% of americans support gun safety measures. even higher on bump stocks specifically. i think it's closer to 90 something. i think 83 is the number that supports background checks. the decision before them about domestic abusers. most women murdered are murdered by someone they know. the victims of the extreme right policies. everyone knows someone who either hasn't had access to health care they need. the women at the campaign, on my show talking about experiences in texas after abortion bans are living, walking, talking examples how devastating republican policies are. do you think the race is close, because people aren't focused in on the people in our own communities suffering and hurting because of the extreme republican policies? on where it is on the calendar? no one's thinking about it? what is your theory on state of the race? >> it's a close race and will be through election day. everybody has known and that and seen that in the past, but you could note have the a more stark contrast between two visions of america. joe biden really everybody who knows him likes him. people who work for him want to continue to work for him. he's demonstrated and ability to ross the aisle get massive pieces of legislation done and thoughtful and reasonable and respectful by the way of people that don't think like he does. on the infrastructure bill, go everywhere. make sure everybody gets in on it. i'm the president for all of america. donald trump told you many, many, many times i'm in this more myself. seek reribution on people who were against me. disgusting. watch him walk into capitol hill a place he sat and watched it guess desecrated by the insurrection what did maga republicans do? do what they said a couple days after? no. embraced him and gave him the game ball from the congressional race. if that doesn't mean donald trump owns the republican party lock, stock and barrel and now has a court who represents him. people should know he will continue to do what he said, which is being worse than he was the first time that he was president. this is what this election is about. a stark choice. we have to continue to talk to people. it's going to be a very close election. we have to continue to tell them what stakes are. evidently the supreme court and congress will help them figure out quickly what is really looks like when you take america back again. where he wants to take us. i don't think women want to go there or reasonable and thoughtful americans want to go back to the way it was a long time ago when we did not share democracy in the united states of america and have to preserve it. democracy is on the line. freedom on the line. our rights on the line. of course, the ability to actually live in a reasonable thoughtful place with neighbor whose are different from ourselves all on the line. joe biden will protect it. donald trump is going to destroy it. >> always more to talk to you about. hope you'll come back soon. thank you for joining us today. >> anytime. thanks for having me. >> thank you. up next for us, donald trump -- has a problem -- we think. i wonder if he thinks so, too, with black voters? 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the black population. it's incredible. black people walking around with my mug shirts. $19 apiece. amazing. >> i admit makes me uncomfortable to play that. five moss out from an election too close for comfort people need to see him. nobody says, nobody believes. knowing what he says to people he wants them to vote for him. amazing those words come out of the mouth of someone who's one of our two choices to be president of the united states in 2024. of course, always more. you heard someone accuseds being a racist before saying this. he said he has many black friends. that's his defense when asked how he responds to black voters or other whose call him a racist. >> i have so many black friends if i was a racist they would be my friends. back with the rev and andrew. rev, two questions. one, how do we process this and how do we cover it? >> i think we cover it by not biting the bait having to prove donald trump is a racist. i think clearly i've known donald trump. i've marched on him and then he tried to befriend me. come to my convention. i believe he's a racist, but that's not what we have to prove. just look at his record. he has always race-baited. he started with the central park five, five innocent men in new york. called for the death penalty. ever calmed death penalty for anybody else? political career black man not a real american. born in kenya. >> i think everything about race, he's always race-baited against blacks. look at this record. i've said to any of those that support him, show me where he was on the right side of any race issue? we forget this is the man that said when we saw the march in charlottesville, to protect a confederate statue, robbed e. lee, and saying -- fired people on both sides. he was the president sitting in the white house, president, during george floyd. probably the biggest race case of our time. what did he say about george floyd? oh, i'm sorry. he had cleared protests from prs from in front of a church, held up a bible and condemned the protesters. never tried to say anything about police reform. so if the record is -- if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. he's always on the wrong side of legislation. i believe every racist votes for donald trump. >> what do you make of their very deliberate, public strategy, to talk about really running up trump's numbers amid black voters in '24? >> i think the strategy that he wants to try to get some more black votes or dissuade blacks from voting, and that, he feels, is enough to get him over the hump. which is why i think the biden people have to really invest in a counterargument, because you can't take that for granted. now he's going to a black church in detroit, he went to the bronx. if you notice, the crowd the bronx, he imported the crowd. he couldn't import a lot of blacks and the blacks he put on stage was two indicted rappers, which he probably should get lessons on how to handle that. but for him to say, when we've spent generations telling our kids, this is father's day sunday, to do the right thing, follow the law, do what is right, for him to say that we are in some way synonymous with mug shots -- he didn't say some blacks, he said the black population identified with him, because that's who we are, criminals, thugs. that's what he thinks of us. for him to say that, imagine if barack obama had said that about whites. imagine if anybody had said that about any other race. but he gets away with it in the name of swagger. >> why? 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it's not even viewed as news when he rails against doj, when he calls the fbi vicious monsters. it's just how he rolls, right? especially now, finally, finally he's seen some questions for his illegal criminal actions. we should be careful when we ignore those words, because the fear and the distress and the anger he has already stirred up is causing people to act now, today, in our communities. following the fbi's lawful search, court-approved search, trump's mar-a-lago property, a man wearing body armor and armed with an assault rifle and a nail gun attempted to attack the fbi office in cincinnati. he was subsequently killed in a shootout with police. there's been an increase in threats of violence against the fbi following trump's recent false claim that the fbi was authorized to assassinate him during that search, which, of course, is not true either. just yesterday a man was arrested for threatening to, quote, slaughter a fbi agent involved in the hunter biden investigation. this man says the agent apparently covered up for hunter who was convicted last week. according to the criminal complaint, the man left the agent an extremely violent voicemail just hours after the guilty verdict came down. quote, so here is how it's going to go, trump is going to win the election and then we're going to [ bleep ] go through the fbi and just starting you [ bleep ] in jail, or you can steal another election and then the guns will come out, end quote. the voicemail gets worse, much more disturbing. this guy says he will hunt down the agent in his own home and then slaughter his entire family. he followed it up with equally vile text messages to the fbi agent. the last of which invoked the big lie about the 2020 election, and went like this, quote, did you really think you were going to disenfranchise 75 million americans and not die? lol. end quote. it's happened, it's happening. messages sent to the cell phone of an fbi agent, parroting the things said by donald trump at his podiums, amplified by his friends and allies and right wing media all the time, probably right now on another network on your dial. i know none of you have dials. horrific and vile display of the real world impact to real life human beings with spouses and kids of trump's rhetoric and daily lies. when the ex-president tells his supporters to defeat a corrupt doj and fbi that's coming after them, it begs the question, what did he think would happen? it's where we start the hour with some of our most favorite experts. former assistant director of counterintelligence at the fbi is here, still with me at the table, msnbc legal analyst, andrew weissmann is here, democratic strategist and the director of the policy program at hunter college, msnbc analyst is here. frank, we'll start with you. >> so many directions to go here. look, for the first time in its history the fbi has a dedicated unit working solely against threats to its own personnel. for the first time in its history, fbi employees just going in and out of work at the gate getting to work with their coffee or breakfast sandwich now have to worry whether they'll get ambushed at that gate. we're at a place here where we have a single man who is generating violence and belief systems that are causing people to get arrested and go to prison, and as you just cited, causing some of those people to die at the hands of law enforcement, the guy at fbi cincinnati, the man in provo, utah, who was about to get arrested by the fbi for threatening to kill joe biden, judges and others, and he swings a weapon reportedly at the arresting agents and they have to neutralize him. so it's wonderful to have a cause you're willing to die for, we wouldn't have military troops if we didn't have people like that. we wouldn't have fbi agents and police officers if we didn't have that. but when you're willing to die because you've been duped, none of this is true, the man in cincinnati had a belief system that was false. the guy in utah was mistaken in his belief. the guy here in the most recent arrest out of texas thought that the fbi agent supervisor over the hunter biden case was leaving out and covering up something else about hunter biden. let me say this clearly, the fbi is not going to stop because you threaten them. they've got more agents and more employees, and they're not going to stop doing their job. what is going to happen is you're putting yourself and your future at risk and you're either going to go to prison or you're going to die trying in your mistaken beliefs. so this is a decision you have to make. take your head out of the rabbit hole that you're in and get some truth and fact, or die for the cause that you are mistakenly adhering to. >> i remember when sean hannity put up the mueller crime family when i worked in republican politics, i knew sean hannity and he had been descending into trumpism. but it was a really stark look at how dangerous the right wing detachment from reality, i thought, was to you guys, to mueller and to you and to the folks involved in the investigation into the trump campaign's ties to russia. i also thought, what is trump so afraid of, what is there? and i have the same thoughts now, but the tactics have accelerated. most people who have investigated trump or been covering the investigations into trump or been touched have been swatted. do you want to explain what swatting is? >> sure, it's a crime and it's when you call up law enforcement, it can be police, it can be the fbi, state troopers, and you falsely report that there's an incident happening at the home of person x, and you take the resources of law enforcement that should be going to real crime, they go, guns drawn, to a location where obviously that means increased risk of a mistake happening. but it's also scary. but for law enforcement going there, because they don't know whether -- they may strongly suspect it's fake, but they don't know. and then it's, of course, scary for the people who are the victims of the swatting. but it's a crime, just to be clear. >> let me read this from "the new york times." the police and fire vehicles were responding to a report that a shooting had occurred at the home of the judge, chutkan, who has been handling the case accusing mr. trump of the 2020 election. they did not name judge chutkan, officers were advised she was not injured and there was no one in her home. the episode came two weeks after the special counsel, jack smith, who filed the election sub diversion excitement was a victim of swatting at his home. anthony fauci has security for the rest of his life. mark milley has talked about threats he'll live with for the rest of his life. at what point do we have a different conversation about whether this is an acceptable threat environment or whether this is a domestic terrorism problem? >> well, the case that was just brought by the department, many, many more of those cases have to be brought in the same way that they brought so many cases in connection with january 6th. this is unacceptable. but i would like to tie it back to our conversation in the 4:00 hour about the courts, because donald trump is one human being, he's a defendant. defendants tend to say prosecutors and judges are making it all up and they hate them. that's what defendants do. he's a defendant. he's a defendant four times over. that's understandable that he's going to say that it's deplorable, but understandable. it is the enablers, and the enablers are not just -- i'm going to call her out again, susan collins who darn well knows better, where you have people joking about paul pelosi, nancy pelosi's husband being attacked, thinking that's a subject to joke about. whether it's a republican or democrat who is is a victim, we're adults at this table, of course it's deplorable, and the idea that you don't have serious people calling it out. but you go to the courts, one of the messages when you have a supreme court with a lack of accountability for donald trump, where they weigh in in a way that's so clearly disproportionate to say that's not going to happen, where we're waiting for a decision that could result in the overturning of the obstruction, one of the obstruction charges, with hundreds of january 6th defendants. when that is the message coming from the supreme court, when you have judge cannon clearly not obeying her oath, when you have that permission structure coming from the top, you end up with not just donald trump saying it, but you have all these members of congress giving permission to it, and you have the courts at the highest level, but not at the district court level also giving this lack of accountability. and that, to me, is how you sort of have to look at the big picture of what's going on here, which is really anti-law enforcement, antirule of law message in this country. what you're seeing with this one individual is not isolated, it's not happening just because that person has a mental disease or is an aberration. they're acting on something they have been given permission to do by many, many people. >> right. and we should say, not all trump supporters represent a threat to anybody. most of them don't. but most of the people that represent a threat to law enforcement and prosecutors and judges believe the same things that trump said from the podium that we played there. >> what i would say is of course not everyone who is supporting donald trump falls in that category. but they should speak up. because if you're sitting there saying -- >> they should kick the violent threat out of the coalition and they don't. >> if you're saying, okay, i like x, y and z, but attacking paul pelosi, that is not good. threatening the fbi, saying that you're going to slaughter their family, that is unacceptable. so, to me, that is -- it's not in for a penny, in for a pound. if that's where you are, then you are complicit. >> here is the damage that's been done. this is where we are right now. a bell that can not be unrung. a quarter of americans, according to the "washington post," believe the fbi instigated the january 6th attack. 25% of americans say it is, quote, probably or definitely true that the fbi instigated the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. a false concept promoted by right wing media and repeatedly denied by law enforcement. you know who knows that's not true? all of these republican lawmakers who welcomed trump back into the scene of the crime. now, i didn't see any video of republicans running slower than the democrats or hiding in any less of a committed fashion to stay away from the insurrectionists. i mean, josh hawley's run became famous. he seemed to get his knees up and run swiftly. he was not unafraid. only one of the two parties welcomed the instigator of the deadly insurrection back to capitol hill yesterday. >> seemingly with open arms. and as we're talking about these threats against the fbi, i can't disassociate it from the reporting of a man arrested for potentially inciting a race war by deciding he wanted to go out and murder african americans recently. so when you think about the atmosphere that trump has enlivened, whether it goes back to him saying i can shoot anybody on 5th avenue, or there's something else feeding into that, we know that trump is consistently feeding into that. and there are no brakes, there are no guardrails once you've opened that door. and as you talk about the supreme court and that sets policy, particularly for these large scale machine guns that now can do the damage that these individuals are setting out to do, but i also think about trump's language in trying to tie what's happened to him with the searches and the arrests and him going out and saying, look, they came after me, they could be coming into my house guns drawn because what he's trying to do at that point is both associate himself with african americans thinking that we talk about police tactics, so maybe he can associate himself with that. but what he's also saying is don't trust law enforcement, don't support law enforcement, be on your guard. that is not patriotism. that is insurrection. and it has left the grounds of the capitol and now gone into multiple aspects of our lives throughout this country. and the concern, as you're talking about fauci and others needing armed guards, i mean, what do we have to do for even folks like us that are on camera to be able to go out and talk about these issues and organize and do the work that we do when, you know, there's fear, also, in terms of the kind of retribution we may get. >> i mean, being diplomatic here, anyone that appears on these shows has faced a lot of these tactics, doxxing and swatting. sometimes when you cover swatting, you become a heightened risk of being swatted yourself. we were swatted over the easter holiday. you talk to journalists and it's happened to most journalists. not a minority. i haven't asked anyone who hasn't been. so i think some of it is the asymmetry, because i think an ordinary american may not know what swatting is, but if you're involved in a case that involved trump or as a journalist, most people don't want to think of their country that way. this is a tactic of the right meant to terrorize and scare people and make them not cover trump. i think any journalist that was covering the trial or tweeting about the trial had to look over their shoulder and wonder if the trump mobs would be turned on them. this is the culture that trump has ushered in. this is the culture that the republicans celebrated when they opened their arms to him on capitol hill yesterday. and this is the climate where the fbi has to try to keep everybody safe. 40% of the country thinks they are, let me quote accurately, quote, vicious monsters. >> yeah, been there, done that myself, as with you. this is a form of domestic terrorism and an attempt to intimidate. but let's take a moment here and talk about what the fbi might not be doing right now, because they're too busy dealing with trump's nonsense and hisinstigation. they're working chinese cybersecurity incidents, they're working public corruption cases, working violent games and organized crime and crimes against children and trafficking. what is it that we don't want our fbi to do? we are less safe because the fbi is dedicating time, precious time and resources to dealing with knuckleheads who are going to hurt somebody or get hurt themselves because they're believing a lie. think about how much safer we would be if fbi agents could actually do all the other stuff they have to do to protect our communities. just a thought. >> it's a thought that someone on the political side should run with ahead of november. frank, andrew, thank you. it's a difficult conversation. thank you for having us and starting us off this hour. when we come back, so much reaction to trump calling the city of milwaukee the site of his own convention this summer the largest city in a state he desperately needs to win, quote, horrible. he called it a horrible city. milwaukee's mayor will be our next guest as he defends his city from the disgraced convicted felon who attacked it. also ahead, what we saw yesterday as trump returned to the scene of the crime he instigated on january 6th. it was a disturbing embrace by republicans, who left their dignity at home years ago. this really was something, even for them, which prompted observers to liken the day to something out of north korea. a surprise from a party that has increasingly warmed authoritarianism. 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trump: milwaukee is horrible. the disgraced ex-president, the presumptive republican nominee who desperately needs to win the state of wisconsin calling their greatest city horrible. soon, ten of these massive billboards over their city will remind them of what trump said about them over and over. it's not only an insult to the more than 500,000 people who live in milwaukee, the city hosting the republican party's convention one month from tomorrow, it's also a really terrible political strategy for winning votes in a state he lost four years ago, picking and choosing which, if any, u.s. cities he would contemplate supporting. joining us now is the mayor of the great city of milwaukee, cavalier johnson. mr. mayor, we carried our comments yesterday. first, for anyone that hasn't had the pleasure of being in milwaukee, tell us about milwaukee. >> milwaukee is a terrific city, an outstanding city on the southwestern shore of lake michigan. it is a city that is diverse, probably the most diverse place in the entire state of wisconsin. there's no better place to be, i don't think, in the country than milwaukee in the summertime. we're the city of festivals, home of hary davidson and northwestern mutual and bastille days and wonderful activities that go on each and every weekend in the summer. this is the best place to be. >> if you're a sports fan, not a lot of american cities with more to offer. tell me, it's actually a city with a pretty large number of republican voters, do i have that right? >> tens of thousands of republicans call the city of milwaukee home. there are probably more as a bloc republican voters in the city of milwaukee than any place in the state of wisconsin. that's why the former president's comments were peculiar to me. >> when he was president, i was on the air when news leaked out that he had called a bunch of countries -- he called them shithole nations, i couldn't think of an edit, and it was clear that he didn't like countries, he compared it to scandinavian countries, which he liked a whole lot. what do you think his attack on milwaukee is about? >> well, there are some similar qualities to cities across the united states in that they are big and diverse places, right, where people from different backgrounds, different heritages call home. so, to me, regardless of what his motives were, i think it's incumbent upon all of us who live in these cities to work to make sure that he doesn't go to live in another city that he probably thinks is horrible, and that's washington, d.c. this fall on november 5th, election day, which is actually my birthday, so i'm looking forward to making sure that on the former president's birthday today that he doesn't get a gift on my birthday. >> your home state is one of the battlegrounds, not just between republicans and democrats, but between truth and lies about the 2020 election, and i wonder how you assess sort of the enduring impact of trump's lies about his defeat in 2020. >> you know, that's the sad thing, is that here in milwaukee and across the united states, we hold the transfer of power as something that's really, really important to us in this community and in this country, and to have somebody like donald trump, who has gone out and told these lies about milwaukee and other communities around the country, saying that there was rampant voter fraud and this and that, now these days, he's leading the charge to have republican voters to do the same thing that was happening in 2020. the hypocrisy is thick. here in milwaukee, if there were any instances, we would call those out. i would take that very seriously. and we work to make sure we have a thorough and transparent elections here in this city, as we always have and will this coming election. >> you know, saying what he said yesterday is part of a pattern on the right. you turn on the news on any day that's a bad news day for trump and they're usually running story after story about the crime rates in my hometown, new york city, the fbi released statistics last week that literally every category of crime, including violent crime and murders, theft, robberies, everything is down. they run against the cities as places attracting unwanted immigrants and asylum seekers and migrants. they run against the cities as being dirty and filthy. trump uses most of those words, as do his allies in the media. what is your thought on this effort to divide, not just republicans and democrats, but people living in cities from people living in rural communities? >> well, the fact of the matter is that there's more that unites us than separates us, right? that's true in cities like milwaukee as it is in other communities across the united states. i mean, here in this city, we're very likely the largest market for the green bay packers in the united states of america. not even green bay, but right here in milwaukee. fans here in the city rival with any other community across the state. we like beer and cheese and all the things that folks know about wisconsin just as much as any other community, urban or rural, across this entire state. and milwaukee matters. milwaukee's economy is intrinsically linked with communities all across the state. so we're all actually more connected than what our politics and at least one politician would suggest. i call on people to work to realize that. the more we come together, the better off we will be as a country, because there's only one flag in the united states, and all of us pledge an allegiance to it. i think when we all come back together and understand that, that we're all stronger together, we'll be better as a city, as a community, as a state, and really as a country. >> mr. mayor, do you think this hurts trump in the state? >> well, look, again, in a place where tens of thousands, tens of thousands of republicans call home, to say that the place where they live is horrible, i don't think that's a smart political move. and not just that, i mean, the former president is trying to make inroads with the african american community, more black people live in the city of milwaukee than any other place in the state of wisconsin. so this is a very, very diverse city, and elections in this state are decided on a razor's edge. to say milwaukee is a horrible place, milwaukee matters, not just in terms of our diversity, our economy and elections statewide, too. so i absolutely think that this will play out in november in the presidential race, and president joe biden will be re-elected. >> milwaukee mayor cavalier johnson, it's great to get to talk to you. we would like to continue to check in with you and find out if this stays on people's minds. i know trump will be there later this week. we'll be watching to see how he's welcomed. thank you for spending some time with us today. >> thank you. when we come back, our political panel heard us from what we heard from the mayor, as well as the growing brace of authoritarianism in the republican party in the age of trump. hi honey. ahhh...ooh. look, no line at the hot dog stand. yes! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty.♪ okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. 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a few days ago he was standing out in nevada talking about boat batteries and sharks and the ceos are going, wow, this is amazing, this guy can't put together a coherent thought. have you been paying attention? the answer is no. it's interesting, you described them as low information voters and i think that's one of the challenges of this year, and i wrote a piece the other day saying that the voter ignorance is, right now, donald trump's super power. people haven't been paying attention, they have forgotten what he did, they don't know many of the things that he is saying. so it may be a super power right now, but ultimately a weakness, because the more they see of this guy, the more they'll have the same kind of reaction as those ceos, and the more they see these guys, maybe they'll start to remember, this collective amnesia, people will go, yeah, maybe it wasn't that great. so i think that was an interesting 24-hour period where the people, once again, this pattern, the people who see him up close, the people who listen to what he actually says, often come away going, we've got a problem here. >> i mean, charlie, i think we're right, i mean, i kind of said it jokingly about low information voters. but if you're a ceo, you have a leadership team, you have management, a board, this is trump's leadership team and they're not voting for him, pence, kelly, mattis, esper, corker, kensinger. they saw you in and out of the meetings, before and after the zooms, they saw everything and they're not for you. why is the business community so slow to see the parallels to the people that saw trump up close and personal for four years and are running, not walking away from him in 2024, and the way they would act if it were happening in their own companies? >> well, the simple explanation is, of course, that for them it's transactional. what affects their bottom line. and trump's tax policies look attractive to them right now. but the other question you're raising is this question that i think a lot of americans have to have themselves, is would you want that person in your office, would you put that person into a position of possibility, would any of these ceos want him on their boards. and if the answer is no, if you don't want to hire him to fix your car or walk your dog or take care of your kids, do you really want him with his hand on the nuclear button, do you really want to put him back into the oval office as commander in chief? maybe we're naive to think the ceos will think in those terms, but the entire country over the next five months is going to get a pretty good up close and personal look at donald trump and the mind of donald trump and the things he's been saying. and i have to say, after eight years you think there's nothing more to say, but a lot of people have not been paying attention, do not understand how he has changed since 2016, but, also, the kinds of things he's saying that a trump 2.0 presidency would bring. so who knows what the reaction is going to be. >> none of those companies -- i didn't go through all of them, but none of those companies allow convicted felons. it's a screen on most of their applications for entry level jobs. so he's a convicted felon. as a convicted felon, he couldn't be hired, most dog walking companies have background checks, every child care company that screens and offers background checks, which is a big feature for parents, he couldn't do anything as charlie just said. he couldn't walk anyone's dog or watch anyone's kid. he had a bizarre mouth kiss yesterday. he couldn't submit an application for entry-level jobs at any of the companies represented by the business roundtable and couldn't do any of the tasks that charlie just named, dog walking or babysitting, because he's a convicted felon. >> you know, i have this in mind, i have to quote this comedian, i forgot her name, but she said that incredible runner, sha'carri richardson, smoked weed, couldn't run 100 yards, but donald trump can run for president. the disparity, whether it's racial or otherwise, just the disparity in that and where we are as a country and the fact there are going to be people voting for this guy, and how and why? and it's what people -- you know folks can't wrap their head around it. so as we talk about what democrats can do, democrats can continue to remind voters about what he's done, who he is, and if they're not paying attention now, you kind of leave a marker this summer, say if you're not paying attention now, when you do, just remember these two or three things. when you come back in the fall, whenever you start paying attention again, just remember i said these two or three things a couple of months ago. so when you do see it and he does reveal consistently who he is, donald trump, then the voter will say, you know what, i've been reminded of that all summer, here is the proof positive. >> i also think everyone in their own lives couldn't get out the door with his baggage and his convictions and his corruption and his civil judgments and the idea that he wants to skate over all of us and be president again is offensive to a lot of people. >> it's incredibly offensive, it's also offensive when he says i can't be race ist because i have black friends. just because you're around black people doesn't know you know black people and understand the plight. he'll go to the bronx and all these places, hold these rallies, he'll pull up some african americans that people don't know to say here are my folks, and it's pandering, condescending. what the mayor didn't say, what connects the countries and cities he talks about is race, he racializes everything in the hopes that that will scare the suburbs into voting for him. and it hasn't worked. it didn't work in new york when this was tried in the congressional races or the gubernatorial race in 2022, and hopefully a mayor like cavalier johnson in milwaukee will make sure it doesn't happen there either. >> we need to sneak in a quick break. we'll all be right back. be righ. 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[ laughter ] >> charlie, quote, an incredible fastball 48 hours, after it took him 30 minutes to get out a story about getting electrocuted in a battery-operated boat, a guy named roger marshall, who is certainly a senator from kansas kansas. >> united states senator. >> we as americans have covered north korea and iraq and other places with a lot of mocking toward the people that have the press secretary jobs for kim jong-un and hussein while he was in power. those guys are giving the press officers a run for their money. trump sent his supporters to the capitol on january 6th and every one of them ran for their lives. there's no video of any of the republicans running more slowly than democrats, because they were terrified because of what trump did on that day. trump supporters, according to nancy pelosi, defecated in their offices and it shows no dignity or self-respect. what can we do about them? >> first of all, it was off the charts there, it was like watching a bunch of giddy junior high kids. in part, i think it's to compensate for the fact that they know they just welcomed in a convicted felon, embraced him as their nominee, and they also know that this is donald trump returning to the scene of the coup. donald trump, the last time he was in and around the capitol, he was inciting an attack on the capitol. on one level it is hilarious, north korean level, watching their behavior. on the other hand, you do have to ask the question, at long last, have you no sense of dignity whatsoever? i mean, you are a united states senator and you have this sort of giggling toe-kissing approach to donald trump. a man whose character you know. a man who you know -- i mean, you know how incoherent he is, you know how dishonest he is, and you know what he did on january 6th. so maybe they think they're compensating in some way by this sort of some way by this sort of just giddy, you know, fan boy, fan girl behavior. but it was embarrassing for them, and it's embarrassing for the country, i'm sorry to say. >> yeah, and i don't know enough about human dignity and human spirit to analyze how they became those things, but i do know about losing elections. and he's a loser. he cost them elections and seats in '18, election in seats in '20, election in seats in 2022. i think the political sadism almost matches the lack of dignity. >> political s&m. it's amazing because it's made them think he's the only thing they've got. i always think about power deferentials. there's two types of power, direct and hirearchical. there's also power through influence. i dovent to say anything but you're going to do what i say because you think it's going to make me happy and you're going to get a benefit from it. what's more scary is when he actually starts to give directives if he would ever get elected potentially from the white house or whenever he is -- >> or jail. >> or jail, exactly right. to be able to start giving people directives to do things on his behalf. you see what's happening with folks going out there and attacking or threatening fbi agents, people buying guns and going and try and start a race war. all of these things are happening if not because donald trump says to do it, it's because they think they're going to get some benefit from doing it. and that is what donald trump has been able to do in our country, and that is incredibly scary. >> and we know that's true because michael cohen testified to that before congress. basil, charlie, thank you so much for spending time with us today. what a time to be alive. quick break for us. we'll be right back. e alive. quick break for us we'll be right back. wait! t-mobile has home internet? 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