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and the $15 minimum wage that the house voted to include in the covid relief bill. but even with democrats in control, the possibility of any of this becoming law is nowhere near guaranteed. and without a change to the filibuster, much of this progressive to-do list will die. joining me now is senate majority leader chuck schumer of the great state of new york. leader schumer, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." >> good to be with you, jonathan. >> the old days back in gotham. so, listen, you were able to get the senate to pass the covid relief package, and as a result it became law. how do you hold your razor-thin majority? how did you hold it in order for all of these progressive to-do list items to get through passage? >> well, first, it's such a major piece of legislation. it's the most significant change for middle-class people, for poor people, people trying to get into the middle class in decades in a very long time. and it has amazing things in it. the checks are going to start arriving today. new yorkers should start receiving the checks today, and many of them will get them this week. we promise that. republicans blocked it. we said put us in power, we'll get it done. the vaccination process is moving far more quickly than people imagined. and hopefully as the president said, there will be enough vaccines for everyone by may 1st, by july 4th, maybe we're getting back to normal. taking children out of poverty. half the kids in america out of poverty. that's in generations old. getting the schools open quickly and safely. how did we do all this? plus so much more. we had democratic unity. i think -- look, i have a diverse caucus from bernie sanders to joe manchin. and we have no margin for error with 50 votes. but every member of our caucus to each of his or her credit realized that we had to get this done. and not everyone would get everything they wanted. we tried to incorporate as many things as people wanted. but everyone realized that if you put in something that you really wanted but it would push the other people to vote, no, we couldn't get it done. and i believe that kind of unity will continue. look, this time we couldn't work with republicans. we'd like to work with republicans. but our number one goal is big, bold action. and we have to get that done. there's a moral imperative from the people. if we don't show people that government can work, which we began to do in a very real way this time, they could elect another demagogic person or even trump. they want to see hope. they want to see government work. that's our economic, political, and moral obligation. >> so, leader schumer, you mentioned how child poverty will be cut in half as a result of this package. and that's because, among many things, the childcare tax credits. but they are not permanent. they will only be around for a year. are you going to push to make them permanent? >> absolutely. that's one of the most important things we can do. we can change america if we make them permanent. look, when a child is born into poverty, they don't adequate nutrition, they don't get adequate health care, housing, or adequate education. and by the time they're 18, they're many steps behind. if we can eradicate child poverty, it will be so good for these kids, their families, but for all of america and our economy. it's a very important goal, we want to make it permanent. i'll do everything i can to make it permanent. >> leader schumer, in today's "new york times," there's a story, among all the things in that covid relief package. $1.75 billion that you pushed into the bill for private funding. why do private schools need federal funding? >> let me say first, public schools come first. this package has more money than the first two packages put together, $160 billion. but, look, kids in private schools, especially minority kids, especially poor kids, and there's a provision in there that says that's where it's got to be aimed, public and private, are suffering too. and during this covid crisis, we shouldn't exclude them. senator kennedy had the wisdom during katrina to say that private schools should get some help there as well. so it didn't take any money away from the public schools. but to help these kids, there's 125 billion for public schools, 2.75 billion for private schools. i think it was the right thing to do. >> leader schumer, i listed off a litany of bills that are coming over from the house. a lot of reporting about infrastructure being the next big bill that's going to make its way from congress to the president's desk. is that what you see as the next big priority infrastructure? >> well, it's one of the big priorities. we have three large, grand priorities as the senate democrats. one is climate. one is economic inequality and racial inequality. and the third is democracy. in that category, infrastructure, especially the way it can be structured in build back better and in the drive agenda, deals with not only climate, which it does, but also large amounts of new jobs that infrastructure creates, and we want to train people who have never had these jobs before to have them. they're good-paying jobs and can put them in a good pass for decades to come. and there is also racial equality. we say that we should make sure that minority communities, communities that have been left out come first. we've done that with the vaccines. we've done that with education. we've done that across the board. it's a recognition by this party that minority communities, communities of color have been left out, and we have to move them to the top of the list, not to the bottom of the list. >> right. leader schumer, let me get you on the issue of the filibuster and whether it should stay or go. have a listen to what senate minority leader mitch mcconnell had to say on that score. >> it should not be changed. senator manchin made it clear they do not favor changing it. and we are counting on them to stand up for the institution. the status quo of this issue is exactly where we ought to be. >> leader schumer, do you agree with your republican colleague leader mcconnell on that score? >> let me say this. first, when he wanted to change the filibuster for the supreme court, he did like that. you can't just say, oh, i'll do it for the things i want. we need big bold change, jonathan. that's what america needs, the kind of change we began to do in the arp, the american rescue plan, has to continue in the many ways that it has and in many other ways, infrastructure, democracy, things that we have talked about a little bit here, child poverty. we would like to work with our republican colleagues to bring that big bold change, no question about it. that's our preference. and we will try. but if they vote no on everything in terms of the kinds of change that america needs, then our caucus will have to get together and figure out how to get it done. everything will be on the table. and failure is not an option. we cannot turn away from the big bold change that is needed. >> right. and i hear you on that, leader schumer. and you've been very consistent on that message since i asked you that very same question on a call last week. but what's the tripwire? is there a particular piece of legislation where that will be when you and the democratic caucus say, okay, that's it, we're going to change the rules? >> look, i'm not going to speculate on the future as to what is the tripwire. i'm going to say in a number of ways we need big bold change. again, we welcome our republican colleagues to join us, even in this arp bill we put on the floor, first amendment, you know, majority leader has the power to put things on the floor, was a bipartisan bill by sirnt sinema of democrat, senator wicker of mississippi, a republican. for restaurants to get a six-month grant program. so we're going to try to be bipartisan. but if we can't, we have to move forward, and everything will be on the table. i can't tell you it'll be for this, this, this. let's first see where our republican colleagues are. but then we will move forward. and our caucus, i think every member of our caucus understands the need for big bold change. >> i find it interesting you mentioned senator wicker who voted against the bill but is out there touting the fact that, you know, money is coming to his state. but let me get you on -- >> jonathan, maybe next time he'll vote with us because he saw that we didn't exclude something that he wanted when we thought it was a good idea. but, bold change, job number one. >> let's talk about governor andrew cuomo and the political trouble he finds himself in. earlier last week you put out a statement saying that the new york state attorney general should, the process that she is involved in should, you know, run its course. but then on friday you and senator kirsten gillibrand issued a statement saying governor cuomo should resign. you were among a whole slough of democratic elected officials you see there on the screen who have called on governor cuomo to resign. why do you think he's hanging on? and at what point do you think push will have to come to shove, and he'll have to leave? >> well, here's the bottom line, jonathan. this is an awful crisis in new york and elsewhere. and we need sure and steady leadership. now, i salute the brave women who came forward with serious allegations of misconduct, of abuse. and there are multiple serious, credible allegations of abuse. so that governor cuomo has lost the confidence of his governing partners and of so many new yorkers. so for the good of the state he should resign. >> and at what point -- who in the congressional delegation or in the new york state delegation, who is the person with the stature, someone that governor cuomo will listen to who, as the "new york times" has on its front page, is someone who holds himself in very high regard? >> look, i'm not going to speculate on the future. he should resign. he should resign. >> and with that we are going to leave it there. senate majority leader chuck schumer of new york, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you, jonathan. good to be with you. hope to be back. >> all right. up next, can the american rescue plan rescue america? 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>> lifting millions of children out of poverty. free health care coverage for people who just lost their jobs, debt relief for thousands of black farmers after decades of discrimination. these are just a few of the provisions of the american rescue plan which the "new york times" called the biggest anti-poverty effort in a generation. joining me now is congresswoman pramila jayapal, democrat from washington state, and mark shriver, senior vice president of save the children and author of "ten hidden heroes." congresswoman, forgive me, i'm going to start with mr. shriver. mark, you have a report out, the disproportionate burden of covid-19 among the findings nationwide 69% of families are having difficulty making ends meet. children of color are twice as likely as white kids to face hunger. black and hispanic children are about 1.5 times as likely as white kids to lack remote learning tools. two-thirds of black and hispanic families -- how confident are you that the covid relief package will make a dent in all of these issues? >> thanks for having me on, jonathan. those statistics are amazing, aren't they? the fact that so many kids are going to bed hungry in this country, that kids are struggling with long-distance learning. and this piece of legislation signed by president biden and spearheaded by speaker pelosi, by rosa de laura in the house, steny hoyer, congressman clyburn and others i think is the most major piece of legislation in 50 years. and this is the biggest step to try to eradicate poverty in this country. half of the children living in poverty in america are going to rise out of poverty. and it's really important particularly for childcare. we've heard from leader schumer talking about k-12 system. and it's really important. early childhood learning, what happens to kids up to five? and this plan puts forward strong steps to try to address early childhood poverty and early childhood education with an increased funding for headstart, with a childcare tax credit. these are really important steps to lift children out of poverty. and it's very exciting, and they get a lot of credit. >> congresswoman, you're not only the congresswoman from washington state, but you're also the chair of the progressive caucus. as a progressive and as a chair of the progressive caucus, are you satisfied with what's in that bill? and is there anything that wasn't done that needs to be done? >> jonathan, it's great to be with you and to be with mr. shriver as well. i completely agree with him. this is landmark legislation. when you look at where the benefits are going to flow, the bottom quintisle of americans will get a 20% increase of americans and the top 1% will get zero. that is how we should be crafting legislation if we want to reduce the income inequality in this country, address racial disproportionate, all of those things. and there are so many pieces in addition to what mr. shriver has laid out. we also have a hundred million that will go to addressing air pollution and health disparities in minority communities. we have money that's going to go to black farmers to deal with the discrimination over the last century that they have faced. and we have of course unemployment insurance. we have money in people's pockets. so, to me, this is an incredibly bold piece of legislation. i give credit to president biden for coming out strong and for senate majority leader schumer. but i also give credit to the progressive movement and to progressives who have fought for these ideas and in this bill fought so hard to work with speaker pelosi to make this the most progressive bill. are there still things we need to do? you've heard me on the $15 minimum wage. >> i was about to go there. where is the $15 minimum wage? so where are you going to make the push to make that law? >> well, i've already been making the push in case you haven't been watching. but i spoke to president biden. he called to thank me for the work we had done as progressives on the bill. and i asked him about the $15 minimum wage, made it clear that this is a top priority for us. he did recommit again to passing it. but we are going to have to push. and i think senator schumer said this. we need to pass bold legislation around voting rights, around a $15 minimum wage, democracy reform. and we need to reform or eliminate the filibuster if we're going to do that because i don't see republicans coming along. so we are pushing very hard, and we will have a meeting with the president and the progressive caucus shortly to really think through strategy for how we do this. >> mark, how important -- well, obviously it's important to raise the minimum wage, whether it's to $15 or $14. but clearly $15 is the goal. but what else do you think needs to be done in order to make more of a dent in child poverty? >> jonathan, these ideas that president biden put forth need to be made permanent. i mean, it's pretty much that basic. these are great ideas, but they are temporary. and we have to push forward to make sure that the child tax credit, for instance, is made permanent. we have to make sure that the investment in early childhood education, which save the children has been spearheading and pushing for so long, is an investment that's made permanent. i mean, 90% of the workforce in childcare centers are women. 40% are women of color. and 10% of that population is living on minimum wage or below wages. and that is just an outrageous investment in our children. so we have to invest in the first five years of life as well as k-12. there's no question about it. but we need to make sure that these gestures, that this bill and really law now is made permanent. and that's the next big push. >> and, mark, let me get you on this question, since you're not an elected official here, so you wouldn't have to take a vote. but when it comes to eliminating the filibuster in the senate as a means of getting legislation passed, to your mind, is that something that senate democrats absolutely should do? and do you think there is broader support for that among the american people? or do they even care about that issue? >> i think there's broad support for the government to do something big and bold. i think there is broad support. we know what works in eradicating poverty in this country. we've talked about it. but the political leadership in this country, for one reason or another, hasn't been able to step forward and do it. president biden has done that. the leaders in congress have done that. we need more of that. we need to make it permanent. i mean, the fact that the richest country in the history of the world has so many children living in poverty is outrageous. and this law will cut that number in half. the american people want something like that. they want to cut back adult poverty rates by a third. i mean, come on. this is the united states of america. we put a man on the moon. we've won world wars. can't we do something for our children, for our families across this country? it's not for the entrenched advocates, the power and special interests to get out of the way for us to make an investment. >> congresswoman, we are out of time. but i want to give you the last word and just get your reaction to republican members of congress who voted against the bill who are out there taking credit for pieces of it. >> well, it just shows how popular this is, how in republican districts, independent and moderates, want this package not just progressives. and so republicans are having to go home and try to explain why they would vote no to lift half of kids out of poverty and why they would vote no to put money in people's pockets and help small businesses that are struggling, and why they would vote no to crushing the virus. so, i think that's what you're seeing now is a lot of, you know, trying to show that they are actually for the people when they voted no on the package. maybe, as you said, hope springs eternal, maybe that will lead them to vote yes on the next smart package that we are going to pass, whether it's infrastructure, build back better, democracy reform. but whatever happens, jonathan, we democrats are going to make sure that we advance a bold progressive agenda that delivers for the people. >> and when that next bill comes up, congresswoman pramila jayapal, you are welcome to come back and make the case for it. congresswoman, and mark shriver, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you, jonathan. coming up next, the newly confirmed chair of the white house council of economic advisers, dr. cecilia raus. keep it here. for skin that never holds you back don't settle for silver #1 for diabetic dry skin* #1 for psoriasis symptom relief* and #1 for eczema symptom relief* gold bond champion your skin fine, no one leaves the table until your finished. gold bond fine, we'll sleep here. ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. starting today, nobody has to settle for less than the very best. because only verizon gives you 5g from america's most reliable network at no extra cost. and plans to mix and match, so you only pay for what you need. the plan is so reasonable, they can stay on for the rest of their lives. aww... and on top of that, nobody gives you more entertainment you love like disney+, hulu and espn+ on select unlimited plans. you even get one of our best 5g phones on us when you buy one. and it all starts at just $35. only from verizon. ever notice how stiff clothes can feel rough on your skin? 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>> well, look, i think it's really important to understand how we got to where we are, which is we have an economic crisis, which is caused by a once in a hundred years health crisis, which has put us in a large economic hold. let's remember that at the beginning of this month we learned that since the beginning of the pandemic we have lost over 9.5 million jobs. that is more jobs that lost since the depths of the great recession. so we are in a large economic crisis. many people, 2.3 million women have dropped out of the labor force. we are in a great economic crisis. so, yes, the federal government has had to step in and deliver relief to families, businesses, state and local governments, so that we can all get through this crisis safely. so, from our perspective and from the perspective of many economists across the spectrum, the most important thing for us to do right now in order to ensure we get back on a path of economic growth is to get to the end of this pandemic. the risk of doing too little is actually greater than the risk of doing too much. so, of course, when one makes an economic investment, there are risks. and there is a risk that this will overheat the economy and cause inflation. however, it's really in our estimation that the risk of doing too little is much greater than the risk of doing too great. we can talk around some satisfy the details around that, but that's the fundamental argument here. >> well, why are you so convinced that doing too much is the right way to go? and feel free to push back. i'm actually playing devil's advocate here. because, again, you're going to have republicans out there screaming about the fact that, oh, my god, they've spent $2 trillion on all of these progressive wish list things, and they've put the economy at risk. and, yet, you're saying again that is a risk worth taking. get into the details of why. >> sure. so part of the reason some economists believe that this may be too large is based on an analysis that is based on something called the output cap, which is where we try to assess what the economy, you know, how big the economy should be if we were running at full employment, versus where we are. and we try to just if ill that difference. however, one could argue, is this the right measure to be using in a pandemic-reduced recession? a good portion of the american rescue plan is designed to help us get to the end of this pandemic. and that's not a natural component. two, there are many estimates of the output gap, one of which the one where economists really believe we may be spending too much is based on something known as the -- by the congressional budget office. and that's one of the smaller estimates of the output gap. there are other estimates that suggest that this package is not nearly as large as one might think. we also have to remember that part of the reason why people believe that there may be inflation risk here is based on a concept known as the phillips curb, which is a relationship between inflation and the health of the labor market. this labor market is in really bad shape. so we are nowhere near full employment. we are nowhere near the point where the economy is fully healthy. and so we need to get back to that place. we need to keep our eye on markers of inflation. there's absolutely no question about that. but right now the best way for us to get our economy back going is to get to the end of this pandemic. >> and with that we're going to have to leave it there. dr. cecilia rouse, new chair of the white house council of economic advisers, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you very much. thank you for having me. >> joining me now the senator of the great state of ohio, sherrod brown. welcome to "the sunday show." >> thank you for having me right after dr. rouse. she and my congresswoman were the first two nominees from president biden to be voted out of our committee. and you can see why after the view that she was voted unanimously. every republican joined every democrat and voted for her coming on our committee. and you can see why after listening to her. so thanks for having her on, too. >> sure. senator brown, do you think -- do you share her, i don't know, optimism that we shouldn't -- there's a risk of inflation, but we really shouldn't worry about it, that we are in such dire straits that that's not really going to be an issue? >> well, i've come on this show before when connie schultz and other commentators and other elected officials have come on your show. and i talked to ben bernanke almost across the board economists say it's safer to overshoot. it's better risk to overshoot, better bet to overshoot than undershoot is what dr. rouse said. it's clear to me when yellen said if we don't go big enough, there's a permanent scarring or generational scarring of our economy for decades. we didn't during world war ii general eisenhower didn't call president roosevelt and said we have enough money to storm the beaches of normandy, we need to do what we need to do. in this package you've laid it out, the majority leader laid it out at the beginning of the show what we need to do, and we're doing those things, shots in people's arms, getting kids back to school, it's money in people's pockets. it's going to reduce the child poverty rate by half. imagine that. what we've done here, jonathan, for the first time really since reagan used to say government is the problem. for the first time we're showing government can be on the side -- government can be well run, government can make a difference in people's lives. government can be on the side of the great majority of the public. and that's what happened last saturday. and what happened this week when president biden signed it. >> another thing that could help matters is raising the minimum wage. the house passed it in their covid relief package. the senate parliamentarian stripped it out of the american rescue plan. how vital is it that the minimum wage be raised to $15 an hour? and can it actually get passed? >> think about this. the first time, excuse me, i'm sorry. my first speech on the senate floor, january 2007, i addressed the presiding mr. president, presiding officer was the first-term senator from illinois barack obama. i don't know if that's where he got the idea to run for president because i called him that. [ laughter ] but the point is it's been that many years since the raise in minimum wage. we need to do that. we also need to make permanent the child tax credit and the earned income credit expansion. we need to do a lot of these things long term. we've made a big, big step last saturday and then the president signing it this week. but that's only been 55 days. give us a little more time to move on minimum wage to make permanent to do a number of these things with or without the filibuster. we're going to figure out what's next. >> senator, on the filibuster, yes or no answer. should the filibuster be done away with? >> yes. >> and with that we're going to have to leave it there. senator sherrod brown of the great state of ohio, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." coming up, republicans are on the attack as unaccompanied minors reach the u.s. border. more on that, next. ...to experience lexus. the invitation to lexus sales event. get 0% apr financing on the 2021 rx 350. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. up at 2:00am again? 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>> well, first of all, good to be with you, jonathan. thank you for having me. i think that getting to a place where the rhetoric has begun, a fair and safe and humane and orderly immigration process, is a very difficult thing to do when you're faced with a deterrence-based punitive-based immigration system that has stretched decades both democratic and republican presidents. i do think they're faced with a humanitarian crisis at this moment not because of some open borders, but that children who are overcrowded inside border patrol jails basically on the southwest border right now, because the biden administration reversed the trump administration policy to keep kids out of the country in some of mexico's most dangerous cities, has led to overcrowding. and whether they're in cages, those are the facilities that i was in at the height of the separation crisis, that particular facility i should note is close to renovation or now the plexiglass dividers, those are not places for children. secretary mark mayorkas said they are not places for children. and they aim to get children out of those detention centers as soon as possible. >> one of the reasons why those detention centers have been full, particularly during the previous administration, is that there was a policy, dhs policy of deporting potential sponsors and caregivers if they came to claim the children. talk about how president biden has changed that or ended that policy. >> yeah. it was known as a memorandum of understanding between health and human services and homeland security. and it was put into place before the separation policy. it's why the separation policy so overcrowd the facilities like is happening right now, as a matter of fact. and it was intended to intimidate sponsors to scare them away from coming. they thought if the sponsors would show up to pick up the children that they might be detained by i.c.e. and actually deported out of the country. the biden administration is saying if you want to pick up a child, they've got through the proper vetting and background checks, now you can pick them up to be reunited with their family in the interior of the united states. >> the name of your book is "separated: inside an american tragedy." you've been reporting on what's happening on the border during the trump administration with incredible reporting. i would just love for you in the couple minutes that we have left to talk about what needs to happen. i mean, every year there is an influx of unaccompanied minors and just migrants coming to the border. as you said, this is a situation that spans decades and spans administrations, democratic and republican. from your vantage point, what are a couple things that should be done, need to be done to actually have a humane, a safe and humane policy match the policy needs of this country? >> yeah, couple things. the first thing i want to emphasize is that the border, when the white house says the border's not open right now, the border's not open to anybody but children under that reversed trump administration policy. they were showing the video earlier of the tents i saw in tijuana. you have most haitians, people from african nations who are not welcome into the country at this point. you've got activists, people on the ground who are saying there aren't many reversals yet from the trump administration. and this is going to take -- i mean, that is emblematic of why this is going to take a very long time to move away from what the trump administration was doing and, frankly, obama's deterrence policies deporting so many people, bush's policies of increasing the border at pole, making people cross through the desert because of the first wave of walls. many of them died doing so. president biden says he wants to approach immigration as a humane issue, as a humanitarian issue, not as an enforcement or a punitive or a law enforcement issue. that may not happen within months. it may not happen within years, frankly, or maybe not even within the first term. it is a long entrenched system that now. >> and with that, we have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming "the sunday show." the latest on the derek chauvin trial as jury selection resumes tomorrow. can justice finally be served for the killing of george floyd? 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that is outrageous. that should be stricken down. >> how dare you, indeed. joining me now is house impeachment manager and delicate for the u.s. virgin islands congresswoman stacy plaskett and tim ryan. thank you both for being here. i'm going it start with you, congresswoman. can you -- i said at the start of the show democrats are governing and what exactly are republicans doing? are you surprised, maybe you're not, but are you surprised that even given the state of the economy and the state of the nation as a result of the covid pandemic that republicans are not willing to have their rhetoric match policy? >> well, thank you for having me. it's a wonderful way to have a sunday with you, jonathan. of course, to be with my good friend tim ryan here. republicans are not interested in what the majority of americans are interested. we've seen that over 70% of americans want the package that president biden gave them. we saw throughout the pandemic that they were living in under a veil. never mind all the social ills going on in this country. we as democrats being in the majority will push for those things. it's frightening them and they are scrambling as to what to hang their hat on as a party right now. >> you know congressman ryan, as much as congresswoman es plasket's anger there on the floor chastising another member of congress having the nerve to talk about the black family your speech on the house floor, a clip we showed, i think, crystallizes sort of the american frustration with the republicans as they are operating now on the hill and that is they're against the minimum wage, against child tax credits, against a lot of things that would help the american worker and yet when it comes to tax cuts, they're all there ready to vote for it. is there any way for you, do you think, to work with republicans to actually come up with legislation that would actually be bipartisan? not just among the american people but among the republicans actually there on the hill. >> i'm optimistic about it, jonathan. first, let me say it's great to be with you. i'm a huge fan of yours and even bigger fan of stacy's. i'm glad the world got to see how talented and passionate she is over the last few weeks with the impeachment and this week. i'm not optimistic about working with republicans. i think if you can't support what we were pushing in the last few weeks to rescue communities, to rescue families, i mean, you've got to be living on another planet to not recognize how many millions of americans were worried about paying their rent. they were worried about making their car payments so they didn't lose their cars. if you don't understand that, you're so far disconnected. you're disconnected from what the american people need. i'm not optimistic. i think it's important that president biden is continuing to reach out to offer them an olive branch to come in. we're not going to comprise our values. i love the one magazine article where the chief of staff was sitting in the oval office and republicans trying to get the $1400 number down to a lower number and he was shaking his head no like we're not doing it. we know what the american people need. we're delivering for them and republicans are in the cold. >> congresswoman, they're out in the cold but they're out in the cold reading dr. seuss and complaining about potato head and other things that have no material impact on the lives of the american people. why are they going down that road, do you think? >> well, you know, i think that they have really bought into what their former president trump fed them. they're grasping at straws as way to entice people back to party. what we're seeing now and everyone sees we have a president empathetic to the needs of the american people and what people have been desperate for. i'm here at saint kroix and tim duncan had to donate an oxygen generator to the hospital. during the pandemic, under the leadership of president trump, there are so many things missing. americans are not fooled by what the republicans are trying to put forward in the gop. we have an agenda that is the people's agenda. it's going to get done. we're going to move on to infrastructure and to jobs. we are working on social justice issues. we are working on the things everyday americans are interested in along with wealth creations, support for our children. it's going to be a fantastic four years. >> congressman ryan, i almost slipped there. i almost said senator ryan -- >> yes. >> it's a nice segue into the next question. name it and claim it. i think you've already said you are thinking about running for the u.s. senate seat that is being vacated by, i believe, senator rob portman. have you come to a decision on whether you're going to run for the united states senate? >> not yet. next few weeks, jonathan. but, you know, something we're very, very interested in. when you look at these issues, especially in the senate where it's on the razor's edge as to whether or not working people are going to get relief. and i say working people. white, black, brown, gay, straight people and, you know, live paycheck-to-paycheck and this economy over the last 30 or 40 years hasn't been good to them. i think a strong, decisive voice in the united states senate bringing some solutions and working on behalf of these workers who have been left behind is very enticing to a person like me. we've been on the under side in ohio, globalization, automation, an attack on workers, an attack on communities of color, health care disparities and it's exciting to think about, you know, potentially being in the united states senate and grabbing the floor in advocating on behalf of those people. i'm going consult with stacy and make a decision here in the next couple of weeks. >> congressman ryan -- >> i already told you. [ laughter ] >> i was about to say, congressman ryan, if you're looking to congresswoman plaskett, your decision is made. when you officially make the decision, please come back to "the sunday show". thank you so much for coming to "the sunday show." joining me now president and ceo of sol dad. you have no idea how much i've been looking forward to the panel all week. so chairman steele, i'll start with you. these are people doing this stuff. why are they reading dr. seuss and talking about potato head when we've got a pandemic, we've got an economy that is cratered, millions of people unemployed. i thought the republican party was supposed to be the party of the working person? >> yeah. yeah. well, there was a time and there was a place where we made those arguments and made the case for those workers, but we're down to dr. seuss, at this point. it's the low-hanging fruit. it's the easy thing to do when you don't have a governing agenda that you can put in front of the country. i mean, that -- look, i get there's some aspects of the covid relief bill that are problematic from a fiscal standpoint. from a program standpoint. that's fine! we can have that debate. they didn't have that debate. when asked countless times, what would you take out of the bill? the president himself asked what would you take out of the bill? tell us what you would take out of the bill. and without that conversation, without that participation, you just can't sit and wait. you are left talking about dr. seuss and mr. potato head, you know, >>well, you know, chairman steele, it's potato head. >> okay. i'm sorry. >> potato head. >> it's been neutered. poor man. >> what is your view? >> listen, i actually don't think that it is in spite of the long list of policy issues that need to be worked through. it's actually intentional. i think the actual issue is they're not afraid. what happens in the media, i think the media is willing to give an assist. how many stories did you see on potato head? how many stories did you see on cancel culture and dr. seuss? i hopped in and the first thing the guy said what is going on with dr. seuss? how can they cancel dr. seuss? guess what. those are talkers. and back in the day, when i first started working in tv news, we would put, like, a water skiing squirrel at the end of the newscast. it had no value but people would be like did you see it last night? and i think it's a similar thing. it's easier, of course, to focus on those things and wrap everything in a debate and fight over culture. this is a culture that is failing you. they can't even figure out the gender of potato head. how do you cancel the beloved dr. seuss and say here is what we're going to do on the policy front. here are issues question agree, disagree, or debate and get to something that is valuable for the american people. i think it's very intentional. i think it's easy to get an audience, a crowd for that. honestly, the media assists over and over. i saw so many more stories about dr. seuss than i have seen about the does make and efforts to decimate voting rights, especially for black americans. i've seen so many. >> and i'm going let everybody know, you haven't seen it here. you haven't seen it here "the sunday show." potato head -- they have no material impact on the american people's lives. i want to play this sound from senator ron johnson. what he had to say about his fear of certain insurrectionists. have a listen to this. >> i'm also criticized because i've made the comment that on january 6th i never felt threatened. because i didn't. mainly because i knew that even though those thousands of people that were marching the capitol were trying to pressure people like me to vote the way i wanted to vote. i knew they were people that loved this country, that truly respect law enforcement. would never do anything to break a law. have the tables been turned? have the tables been turned and president trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters, i might have been concerned. >> get him in trouble. go ahead. >> it's straight up racist. it's straight up racist. and i've interviewed that senator many times. i have not remembered him being so crazy and overtly racist, as i have seen of him of the last couple of years. at the end of the day, remember, a couple of weeks ago he was saying antifa, actually, that was on the steps of the capitol. now it wasn't antifa. those were his people. they made him feel comfortable. if they were black people, he would have been worried and we should be scared. it's overtly racist. by the way, he will be booked to talk on the sunday shows, not yours, i'm sure, but will be booked because people don't like to give consequences to people who say things that are overtly racist. >> don't worry. he's not coming here. chairman steele, again, this is your party! i would assume you're still a member of the republican party. >> i am yeah. you know, trying to clear out the idiots. what else can you do? look because this is where i've been for 46 years and i don't get to step off that easily. it's a tough journey. it's in a tough place now. there are a lot of us, like adam king zinger and others trying to fight for solid ground and you have ron johnsons that stand in the way. what i appreciate about the johnson comment is, fine, i like the clarity of letting me know what you think about me. >> that's good. >> so i understand that you are aa trade of black people. this is good to know. you also believe that black people don't love the country as much as white people. this is good for us to know. the clarity is refreshing and it now gives us all a sense of purpose and energy to work in the direction to remove such scabs from our political life. the reality of it is that ron johnson sat there and told the country that, you know, if, you know, white folks can come and cause an insurrection. they can kill a capitol hill policeman, they can destroy public property, they can threaten the life of the vice president and that's not unlawful. if a black man or woman decides to go burn down the target because a police officer shot or killed one of their own, again, or that they overturned the cop car, that's a criminal offense and that's what we should be afraid of. so the clarity is refreshing. >> right. the clarity is welcome. also, on that burning target, that's assuming that the person who burned it is actually a black lives matter protester and not an undercover white supremacist, as we've seen in many cases since last summer. >> thank you. >> chairman steele, thank you so much for coming back to "the sunday show." >> the latest in the derek chauvin trial is next. t in the k chauvin trial is next. there's no such thing as too many adventures... or too many unforgettable moments. there will never be too many stories to write... or too many memories to make. but when it comes to a vehicle that will be there for it all. there's only one. jeep. feeling sluggish or weighed down? 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are you concerned -- are the concerns you have -- you wrote about in the column, are they being alleviated as the process goes forward? >> they're not. we have a jury now that is one person who identifies as black and five white persons. the jurors are asked questions about black lives matter that, to me, face the concern that honest answers are being used to keep people of color off the jury. so the jurors are asked whether minneapolis cops are more likely to use force against blacks, the factual answer is yes. blacks are 20% of the city's population and 60% of the people who the cops put hands on and shoot. the data tells us police brutality against black people happens in minneapolis. judges tell juries they should use their life experience and common sense when they evaluate evidence. life experiences of black people are as valid as anybody else's and should not bar them from jury service in a case where police are accused of murdering a black man. >> kimberly, what is your view on the jury election process so far? >> yeah, i mean, i think that poll is absolutely right. it's crucial. it's in the constitution that people are tried by a jury of their peers. it's also important that there be that impartiality. this is also an extraordinary case in that it's very difficult to find a juror who has not seen that video. who doesn't have some opinion about the protests that have taken place across the country over the last year. but they don't have to not have any opinion at all. they have to be able to render a clear and objective verdict based on the facts and evidence of the case. even in some cases, according to the reports i've seen, somewhere someone said they support black lives matter, they don't excessive police violence, but they could still render an objective opinion in this case were dismissed the jury. each side gets a number of strikes but they cannot remove them on the basis of race. it could be subject to a challenge but at the same time the challenges are hard. it's sort of a protection more on paper than it often is in reality. i share paul's concern about the way the jury is shaping up. >> big news broke, i believe it was on friday, about the fact that the city of minneapolis settled with the floyd family for $27 million look at this, jury selection chauvin sought to block mention of any possible mention of payout arguing it would be prejudicial. >> they instructed jurors don't read anything about the case. hopefully jurors won't know about this settlement. if they do, all of the respective jurors so far have seen the video or heard about the case. they are asked to set it aside and just decide the case against chauvin based on the evidence presented in court. but this settlement is self-important, jonathan. $27 million is a record for a case like this in minnesota. it's just as important as the reform that george floyd's death inspired. ben crumb, the lawyer for the floyd family said he wanted to -- a verdict in the civil case that would send a message that would hit the police department where it hurts. and this $27 million may go as far to make them accountable as a conviction against chauvin. >> uh-huh. kimberly, there's a story coming out of kentucky that sort of boggles my mind. senate votes to criminalize insults to police around the one year anniversary breonna taylor's death. is this a first amendment challenge? >> it is. there are so many. there are constitutional problems with this but i think at its core, the biggest concern and what sort of gives me a shot in my gut and should give americans a shot in their gut, too, it seems to be seeking to criminalize the behavior of a victim of police brutality. it seems to shift the blame if somebody is a victim of police brutality, not only they asked for it but the way they asked for it can, in addition, be criminalized. i think that's really appalling. i think the timing of this is horrific in that it comes near the one year anniversary of breonna taylor's death. something there hasn't been any accountability for. we need that accountability. going through and listening to this trial of derek chauvin, recounting the anniversary of breonna taylor, these are reminders of the trauma that black people suffered but it's compounded with the lack of justice. i agree with paul, the settlement is important for a lot of reasons, including it brings the sense of accountability. without that, black people feel like they don't have a chance. if they are in a confrontation with police. they feel like no matter what will happen to them, there will be no accountability. we may not know what happened because in so many cases, including breonna taylor, it took efforts of family to keep to try to bring attention to this and not have it be swept under the rug as it is so many times. >> we have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." kimberly will be back later. trouble for congresswoman marjorie taylor green from a democratic army veteran in a cowboy hat. you don't want to miss this. n ia cowboy hat you don't want to miss this. ied♪ ♪ cold beer on a friday night ♪ ♪ a pair of jeans that fit just right ♪ ♪ and the radio up ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's. what do we want for dinner? 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>> well, you know, jonathan, we're going to focus right now is covid. that's the big thing. i want people to know taylor-greene voted against the covid relief package but tried to obstruct people for actively trying to help the american people. so we want to focus on covid relief. we want to focus on jobs, small business, improving health care, especially -- you know, an issue that is close to my heart, veteran's affairs, you know, as a disabled veteran who suffered a traumatic brain injury, i want people to understand. >> and in terms of covid relief. the covid relief bill is law of the land and $1.9 trillion package passed and signed into law by the president on thursday. one piece is left out is raising the minimum wage. let's say it doesn't get done in time so that maybe you win the election and you're there in congress. do you support raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour? >> i do support raising the federal minimum wage. >> to $15 an hour? >> it needs to be done. over the next ten years, i think that's what they're looking at getting up to $15 but it's something i support, yes. absolutely. >> and in terms of another thing that was done in the covid relief package was extending child care tax benefits, which has a lot of economists and others saying it'll reduce child poverty by 50%. they're not permanent. they expire after a year. would you vote for legislation that would make them permanent? >> you know, jonathan, someone who grew up in poverty, my adult life has been about serving the country. so i absolutely would love to see millions of kids coming up come out of poverty. make that permanent. >> uh-huh. >> we all want to see that happen. i think most americans can agree on that. >> and in terms of you in the clip that we showed from your launch -- campaign launch video, you talk about your military service, your time -- your deployments overseas. you mentioned afghanistan. you were a defense contractor but in a new republic story that was out earlier this month it points out that you're not very open on transparent about what kind of work you did when you were a contractor, umm, with the defense department overseas. why not? >> jonathan, i think that's a little bit of sensationalism. my background is in logistics. you know, my job has been about supporting the war fighter, doing everything we can to ensure that america's interests are covered abroad. so, you know, i've been clear about signing nondisclosure agreements. a lot of people ask did you work for blackwater. we never worked for blackwater. >> oh, okay. i thought you were going to go on more. look, we're running out of time but i do want to know -- umm, why -- given your deployments overseas, do you see scary similarities between the tenor and tone of our politics, particularly within the republican party now, umm, to what you saw say in afghanistan and other totalitarian regimes overseas? >> well, jonathan, having served in iraq and afghanistan as a soldier, defense contractor. i see that is where marjorie taylor-greene is trying to take america. i know if i'm elected to congress, i can restore honor, don't si -- decency, and integrity to the district seat. >> with that, we'll leave it there. marcus flowers, in the democratic primary with three other people to challenge congresswoman marjorie taylor-greene. thank you so much for coming to the sunday show. >> thank you for having me. and coming up, the latest on the allegations against new york governor andrew cuomo. that's next. rew cuomo. that's next. congestion with vicks sinex saline nasal mist. for drug free relief that works fast. vicks sinex. instantly clear everday congestion. washed your hands a lot today? probably like 40 times. hands feel dry? like sandpaper. introducing new dove handwash, with 5 x moisturizer blend. removes germs in seconds, moisturizes for hours. soft, smooth. new dove handwash. soft, smooth. 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to resign including senators chuck schumer and kristin gillibrand. lawmakers at the state level have opened an impeachment inquiry. back with me are solidad o'brien. thank you very much for coming back to the show. jill for coming on the show. i'm going to open the floor to all of you and just your reactions to not only the allegations against governor cuomo but his insistence on not resigning even though now half of the legislature in albany has call on him to resign. jill, you start. >> this will be controversial but i agree that he should have a full investigation, he is due process. he should have that process. whether it's through the impeachment by his own state, whether it's through the investigation by outside counsel, we need to know all the facts. the facts, as they're appearing, both in terms of his being a bully to men and women, and to behaving in what is clearly inappropriate manners toward women, one of the most powerful pieces i read was by an albany reporter, miss baitman, it was one of the aha moments i get how toxic the environment is but not just for women. her situation was as a woman and any woman reading that is going to get it. it could start a movement. i think we have to wait for the full investigation and then he is right, he was elected by the people. democrats tend to respond immediately to get with out, get out, get out. i'm a litigator. there are two sides to the pancake, no matter how thin you make it. >> that is a good analogy. i have to say, governor cuomo is saying that, you know, part of this is i'm not part of the political club. he's a cuomo. i mean, come on. he is the club. kimberly, your reaction to what is happening with the governor. >> yeah, and i think that point is so important to the quota i will add to jill. i won't disagree. people need to be evaluated and there needs to be investigations but i think one thing we have to keep in mind is the issue of power. of course, the governor saying he's not part of the political process nonsense. and this is a powerful story that jill mentioned by jessica bakeman, i think, reinforces the abuse of power inherit in so many of these allegations. so when you're looking at this investigation, it is false to claim that governor cuomo and the women who are accusing him stand in the same power dynamic. he had an uneven power dynamic in play in each of these allegations that move forward. that's what allows powerful people who know they have that power to try to intimidate women. to try to make women unconsiderable. i was not in new york but i was a young state house reporter covering a governor when i was in my 20s. if i was objected -- subjected to what jessica describes in this article, not only would it have unnerved me. it probably would have shaken me to my core. it may have changed my trajectory of my career. perhaps i might have stopped covering politics if i was in an environment that uncomfortable. that toxic. i think that's one thing to keep in mind. yes, hear out the facts but i'm nervous the whole idea of, well, he is denying it and he won't step down is turned into a shield to keep from holding him and other people like him accountable when they do engage in wrong doing. >> well, you know, that's one of the things. could andrew cuomo do what the governor in virginia did and others? other politicians who find themselves in similar situations quote, unquote, brazen it out. just ignore everybody and stay in power. your reaction to what is happening? >> yes, he surely could. and, listen, i agree. i think either you have due process or you don't. i think, actually, an investigation is very important because clearly the allegations, as it seems to be at least early evidence of a serial harasser, potentially, is very concerning. who were the enablers of this? when you read the women's stories. there are people involved who moved things into place. i would be curious about the results of an investigation, as well. you can brazen it out to a certain point but at some point the political weight becomes heavy. you can argue the governor was brazening it out for awhile. you look at -- it's laughable it's not part of the political team or whatever that quote is. it makes no sense at all. he is, as you said, a cuomo. he's a strong structure in that scene. if you even hear in his apology, which is this idea of casting himself as this clumsy guy. right. and the women misinterpreted. i'm sorry. i'm clumsy, you know, the male fumbler. maybe they misunderstood. maybe they're the ones who didn't understand as opposed to, hey, she's 25 and you're making sexually explicit comments to her as a 62-year-old, making it pretty clear, at least from her story telling, you want to have sex with her. completely inappropriate. i'm all for some kind of investigation. i think it'll absolutely fascinating. he talked about cancel culture, too, which, again, could embrace a republican talking point but i'll say very rarely do we care about the cancel culture of the women who leave politics because it's so upsetting to them. we never fret about the cancel cull chr of those people who never got to rise or who were so upset and so driven out that they just left. we careless about them. so, listen, the governor deserves an investigation and i think probably will spell out clearly what he's done. >> uh-huh. jill, i can't but notice -- what i can see, it looks like a clock. is that right? >> it is definitely a clock. >> so, jill, does that mean time is ticking on the investigation? or time is ticking on how long governor cuomo will be governor cuomo? >> it is any way you want to interpret it. it is certainly that we're way past time for women to be treated as equals. and, actually, in this case, the evidence is that he was as much a bully with men. he did it in different ways, but he was inappropriate with men. he's, obviously, not very well liked, which is why people are pushing him to resign more than the specific allegations. and that's something that the people certainly should take into account in deciding if he should run again whether to vote for him or not. but i think this is a movement whose time has come and that we need to really treat women the way they deserve to be treated and no one should have to feel uncomfortable. i didn't hear his apology to the extent it was an apology as blaming the women as so much of saying he denies the sexual touching but admits he made people feel uncomfortable and he will improve that. i grew up in an era and started work when everywhere i went i would be told whose secretary are you? please get the coffee, even though there was a secretary in the room and i wasn't the secretary. i had a very senior officer of a corporation i worked for put his hand on my leg in public. someone who saw it and reported it to hr and they called me to say do you want to file a complaint? i said i love my job, i am not going to file a complaint. i will make sure i am never alone in a room with him or sitting anywhere near him. and i did have to take actions. i'm sure it didn't help my career but it was a one-time thing and i wasn't willing to take on a senior senior senior person at the company i loved working for. i think that's a choice that so many women have to face. it's unfortunate. we shouldn't be in that circumstance. men have to do the sexual harassment training and it's something that didn't happen in new york. if he were a corporate executive, the board would have removed him. least politically elected by the people and the people should make the choice. >> and with that, unfortunately, we're out of time. but you all will have to come back. please don't be a stranger. coming up next, the byline. e did you know prilosec otc can stop frequent heartburn before it begins? heartburn happens when stomach acid refluxes into the esophagus. prilosec otc uses a unique delayed-release formula that helps it pass through the tough stomach acid. it then 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