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"morning joe" starts right now. 225 came here. after two days of fighting, only 90 could still bear arms. behind me is a memorial that symbolizes the ranger daggers that were thrust into the top of these cliffs. before me are the men who put them there. these are the boys. these are the men who took the cliffs. these are the champions who helped free a continent. these are the heros who helped end a war. >> that was ronald reagan in 1984, iconic d-day speech, about the brave young men who climbed the cliffs of pointe du hoc, to reach a suspected german gun in placement 100 feet up. that is where we begin this morning. normandy, france, for the 80th anniversary of the d-day landings, the invasion that propelled the end to world war ii. right now, president biden is meeting with global leaders and the veterans who sacrificed their lives. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, june 6th. along with willie and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. msnbc contributor mike barnicle. president emeritus on the council of foreign relations and commander of nato, james stavridis. he is chief international analyst for nbc news. also with us, author and nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. willie, if possible, this d-day 80 years later, also so poignant but also so current to our own challenges today in ukraine, in israel, and even in america's own elections. >> it is. we'll hear those themes in a speech from president biden at normandy in a short while from now. 80 years, think about these young men, and they were mostly men, you know, 17, 18 years old on d-day. now in their late 90s. it is incredibly moving to see them return to this sacred place. we have a great group assembled to talk about the meaning of this day. as you say, 80 years ago. we'll do that in a moment. let's begin in paris where we find kelly o'donnell traveling with the president. what theme do we expect to hear from president biden in just a bit here? >> certainly, we'll hear how the history folds over into a relevant, new way for the times we live in now, and history teaches lessons about what was at stake then and what could arguably be at stake now, especially here in europe where there is a war in ukraine. obviously, there is a war in gaza and israel. and the president will talk about how the young men who have come back here as senior citizens, many in wheelchairs, but back. 200 american servicemen who were here at d-day are back for this celebration. they represent the thousands who fought during that operation and many who sacrificed their lives. the white crosses that cover the grasses of normandy represent young men who were 17, 18, 20 years old. no old men are buried at that cemetery. the sacrifice their made are relevant in today's world for countries that believe democracy is worth fighting for, worth preserving, and, in fact, it must be preserved because there are forces in the world that test it. expect those kinds of themes from the president. we have watched this morning as he's been meeting with some of the veterans who have come back. personal conversations, taking photos with them, sharing stories. in one instance, we saw them singing happy birthday to one of the veterans who is celebrating what must be a notable birthday when you consider how time has passed. 80 years is so significant because it connects to those past moments of ronald reagan, of bill clinton, of george w. bush, other american presidents who have come here with other world leaders, sort of fortifying alliances that created a new world order to protect democracies from the kind of conflict where borders were seized and changed at force. the world order that was created because of the sacrifice of those veterans, those young men who were fighting for a cause greater than themselves, really saving the world at that time, but that created a new way for nations to organize themselves. that is very relevant today when the president has done so much to try to, from his point of view, work on building the alliances that support ukraine. it is a harder sell in some ways with israel, given the nature of the way gaza has gone, but these alliances matter. the values underpinning them very much matter and feel relevant today. that's what we expect from the president as he participates in these ceremonies. where you see the faces of those who were here 80 years ago and the leaders who represent these nations today. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell in paris for us this morning summing it up very well for us. kelly, thanks so much. we appreciate it. admiral stavridis, as a military man yourself, i'm curious, on a gut level, what you're feeling this morning as you look at the faces of these men who did nothing short of saving the world beginning on d-day. >> pride. pride in the united states of america. that we produced young men and women who do all of this. on the 50th anniversary of d-day 25 years ago, i was a young destroyer captain, and i was honored to be ordered to anchor my ship off the beach at omaha the morning before the ceremony you're about to see. my crew got up at dawn, unrequired. every crew member, 350 men and women, average age 25 years old, stood, watched the sun come up on that beach, paying homage to the young men of pointe du hoc. we were anchored not far from there. that's first and foremost. secondly, to pick up a practical theme of today, which i think you'll hear repeated, recall 15 allies, 15 different allies were participating in that landing. the british, the canadian, many of the european nations, some of them fighting in exile after their countries had been conquered. as i looked left and right, i saw ships from a dozen different nations. alliances matter. they mattered that day. on hitler's side, there was one nation. it was germany. he had to stand against an alliance. i think those are the two salient themes for me on this morning. pride in young americans and the power of alliances. >> michael beschloss, admiral stavridis just said something that all of us can agree with, probably share the same feeling, that when we watch these pictures from normandy, we feel pride. pride as americans. pride in the job done. pride of what was accomplished. there is another word that comes to my mind, having been to normandy many, many times over many celebrations, and it's history. our history as a nation and the fact that we have forgotten so much of our history here in the 21st century. we have forgotten that when those landings occurred on the five different landing spots on those beaches along the normandy strip, and the boys who climbed pointe du hoc, colonel rudder led them. he once told me the feeling he had was the men, the germans up in the pill box, had to be looking out at the armada, on the channel, and thinking about the men who were about to climb a sheer cliff. they had to be thinking, the germans thinking, they're coming up this cliff after us? wow, that was a point of lethal danger for them. the men that were there, they joined the army. they went voluntarily. they came from small towns and big cities across the united states of america. we seem as a nation to have forgotten what it is to be together. we were all together on that day. i'm wondering what your view is of the history that we shared then and the history that we see now, just forget. >> that was mike barnicle poetry. i hope i can do as well. you know, let's look at it through the lens of 2024. you know, what is meaningful to us right now? number one, we live in a world -- we live in a free country that is not dominated by dictatorships because of the huge sack are i ficrifices made americans that day and the others of the allied armies fighting in world war ii. if d-day had not worked, if that invasion, if that incursion had collapsed, let's say the boats had been driven back into the sea, perhaps, because there had been bad weather, which was, as you know, a very great chance that there might have been, that might have broken the morale that ultimately won that war. this was one of the crucial days in american history, number one. second of all, they were fighting for democracy. you know, just before world war ii, 1940, franklin roosevelt was running against wilke. in october of 1940, wilke was just about beating franklin roosevelt. that was because he was making the argument fdr is going to drag this country into an unnecessary war after election day if he is elected. someone even said, fdr, if re-elected, will plow under, if you can believe a politician said this, every fourth american boy. republican leader said that. that's how divided this country was. yet, in the world of 1941, almost instantly after pearl harbor, the country almost completely united behind the goal of defending freedom at its hour of maximum date. the ultimate general of the army, dwight eisenhower, wrote out a famous memo that wasn't released until long afterwards, to be released if the invasion failed. eisenhower took the blame, which is something i wish every american leader did in that kind of case. he said, if this invasion should fail, the blame will be mine alone. >> to build on the words that come on this day from mike and michael beschloss, pride and history. part of the history is a lot of pain. the losses endured that day. i wonder, looking at the faces of these survivors, the weight of those losses that they witnessed firsthand, they must feel pride but also so many other emotions. living with the memories of those who died on d-day. richard haass, i wonder if president biden will draw that line between the pride of our history and the pain endured for freedom to what we confront today. facing an election that could reshape american leadership around the world. >> he is sure to do that, mika. history, as mark twain mentioned, doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes. i think what president biden today will be doing is highlighting the rhymes. once again, a world challenged by aggression. once again, questions whether the united states will rise to the occasion. the obvious place to think about is ukraine, where, for several months, the united states failed to rise to the occasion. isolationism is a virus that never disappears from the body politic. i expect the president will make a powerful argument that the united states still needs to rise to occasions. we can't pursue the folly of isolationism. we've got to work with othes. that's the great comparative advantage of american foreign policy. we have this pool of partners, these allies to work with. i think he's going to be speaking in many ways to the american people. you know, several people here around the table, we talked about the lack of history, the lack of historical awareness. we don't teach this in our schools. you can graduate from most american high schools and many american colleges never having taken courses in world war ii or learning about d-day. i think the president is going to do something that presidents have to regularly do, which is turn the oval office -- or, in this case, he is overseas -- but turn the presidency into a teaching institution, into a classroom. >> jonathan lemire, you think about president biden. he was a united states senator on the 30th anniversary of d-day. he's seen the 40th, the 50th, the 60th, 70th, 80th as a public official. back when we started in office, this wasn't a distant memory, 30 years prior to d-day. he feels a connection to it. i know this will be an emotional speech. jen psaki was saying don't expect to hear from the cemetery attacks specifically on donald trump, but, as richard said, getting to the importance of democracy and protecting alliances. what do you expect to hear a short time from now from the president? >> yeah, president biden born during world war ii. this is a sense that this will be the last major anniversary to which there will be veterans still in attendance, maybe five years from now, a few still may be, let us hope. an important moment and a solemn moment. we are going to hear from president biden shortly. we should note, today, he's just one of a number of world leaders who are going to speak. his remarks will be relatively brief and focused on d-day. tomorrow, though, he delivers a more significant speech, one the white house will be previewing for weeks, where he'll address the broader themes, connecting what happened 80 years ago to our current situation, particularly as war, the largest land war since world war ii in europe, continues to rage just a few hundred miles to the east there in ukraine. he's certainly not going to use donald trump's name, but he is going to implicitly talk about the threats to democracy aprod abroad and also at home. making the case that america needs to be secure at home and fulfill its obligations to the rest of the world. president biden from his first moments in office stressed the need for alliances. alliances no more vividly on display than 80 years ago on the beaches. france was liberated, and the tide of war turned throughout europe. i think president biden will be using this as a teaching moment, not a campaign moment, but he'll play out the stakes of history back then and also for the future. >> we will carry today's ceremony live, set to begin in just moments. president biden will speak shortly, and u.s. secretary of state antony blinken will join us live from normandy. first, we will dig into new reporting on how some republicans are seeking payback following former president trump's conviction in new york last week. you're watching "morning joe." we're back in 90 seconds. your own. make it easier on yourself. with shopify, you have everything you need to sell online and in person. you can have your inventory, payments, and customers in sync across all the places you sell. it doesn't have to be lonely at the top. join the millions to finding success on their own terms. start your journey with a free trial today. why choose a sleep number smart bed? 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>> welcome, what's happened to me has never happened in this country before. it has to stop. >> wait a minute, it has to stop? >> it has to stop. we're not going to have a country -- >> if you are elected, what does that mean? define that. >> look, what i've gone through, nobody has ever gone through. i'm a very legitimate person. i built a great business. >> focus on those that want people to believe that you want retribution. that you will use the system of justice to go after your political enemies. >> number one, they're wrong. it has to stop. otherwise, we're not going to have a country. look, when this election is over, based on what they've done, i would have every right to go after them. and it's easy because it is joe biden. you see all the criminality. >> will you pledge to restore equal justice, equal application of the laws, to the ending of the weaponization? >> it's awful. i know what you want me to say. >> i'm just asking. >> what they've done to the republican party, they want to arrest on no crime. i will do everything in my power not to let -- but there's tremendous criminality here. what they're doing to me, if it is going to continue, we're really not going to have much of a country left. >> okay, willie. help me out here. first of all, no criminality. this was not biden's justice department in the criminal trial in new york city. it was a jury of donald trump's peers, 12 people and alternates. just to fact check him right there. also, hannity, mr. softball, setting him up, saying, come on, come on, you wouldn't actually have retri -- you're not, you don't mean that? he's like, of course i do. just like with the documents. when hannity was like, come on, you didn't actually take the documents. donald trump is not messing around. he promises retribution. as he even told hannity, when hannity gave him a chance to semi cover it, he will serve it up. so with that, i mean, i'm not sure what more people need to know given a lot of things that donald trump has promised have come to pass. >> yeah, i'm not smiling about the substance of what the president said. i'm smiling at what you put your finger on, which is this entire genre of interview now where sean hannity embeds the answer into his question and tries to lead donald. i wish my oral exams in high school and college were like that, where the teacher would nod along and give you the answer. >> me, too. >> but that's the way they do it. yeah, donald trump in the remarks we played right before the interview clip, he said, a lot of people are saying they're going to want retribution. he likes to separate himself, but, obviously, he means himself. obviously sending cues to others about what should happen. again, he was charged. he was tried. he was convicted by a jury of his peers in new york. the fact that he took classified documents back to his beach club is not some imagined conspiracy against him. it is a thing he did. we'll see what happens in the trial as it moves forward. he wants retribution against people, the justice department, the fbi who are actually bringing him to justice on things he did or is alleged to have done. let's bring -- >> yeah, and -- willie, one thing before we get to our guests. >> yes. >> it is interesting to me he said this has never happened before and that's why something needs to be done. in every case -- well, i will say in the most clear cases, because, obviously, we have to wait for the law to play out, but in the case of the documents, you see the pictures. he says he took them. he says they're his, okay? he admits to the crime. in the case of the hush money criminal trial, where 34 felony counts against donald trump came up guilty, there was evidence presented in court that backed it up. so, yes, yes, mr. president, former president trump, this hasn't happened before. there hasn't been a former president who had sex with a porn star while his wife was pregnant and then, years later, before a campaign was to get into full swing, paid off through hush money, breaking campaign finance laws and having fraudulent business records. i mean, that has not happened before. he has been found guilty of that. he's right, it hasn't happened before, but it's, unfortunately, what happened to him because of his own actions. >> right. and changed the subject from what he did or is alleged to have done to some imagined conspiracy that suggests -- >> right. >> -- the government is out to get him. let's bring in ceo of the sa see messina group, jim messina. he ran obama's re-election campaign successfully, of course. jim, great to see you this morning. you often are the guy who comes in and sort of tries to calm the nerves a bit of democrats when they get panicky. not in some pollyannish way, but looking at data, looking at numbers. let's talk first about the fundraising that scared a lot of democrats after donald trump was convicted last week on 34 felony counts. raised a boatload of money. put that into perspective, though, compared to how the biden campaign is doing. >> yeah, willie, if you look at the overall numbers, biden continues to have a healthy fundraising lead, has way more money in the bank. this sounds wonky and geeky, but the truth is, joe biden's money is all small donors. donald trump's money is from big donors who are giving to his super pacs. that ad buying later in the campaign is more expenexpensive. they can't get the lowest unit rate. most importantly, and you, mika, and i talked about this in the past, what you can't make more of in an election is time. we're 152 days out, and the biden campaign had over 150 field offices with paid staffers in the battleground states. donald trump has zero. every day, these people are talking to voters, both their own base and these swing voters, and you just can't replicate that with money. we always knew trump was going to catch up after he got the nomination. he clearly had an outstanding day after his criminal conviction. it's a little cynical that, you know, they raised a bunch of money after he was found guilty of 34 felony counts, but it is what it is. overall, the biden campaign is doing what they need to do, which is build a massive army in these battleground states to get their vote out. >> yeah. jim, the biden campaign looking forward to that first debate as a moment to sort of change the trajectory of the race. we're seeing polls shift a little toward the president in the wake of the conviction. let's get you to weigh in on this "wall street journal" story about the president's age. we can set aside the merits of the journalism. there were flaws in the story we covered at length yesterday. there is a narrative. polls suggest some americans think the president is too old for office. we know donald trump, though, just a couple years younger. if you were still in the white house, what would your communication strategy be simply to manage this issue, fair or not, it's out there? how would you suggest the white house and campaign handle it? >> by doing exactly what they're doing it. getting him out there as much as they can and getting an early debate. you're exactly right, it is an issue. people have questions about it. we all remember the state of the union, he did a master performance and looked on top of his game. the polls rose then. this debate moment is really, really big for them. i can't believe donald trump is letting them have it. you know, people expect joe biden to not be as good as donald trump. donald trump has set all the expectations to the top of the moon. he's this great guy, and joe is sleepy joe. if there is a good debate, it'll specifically make people think about their perceptions of this debate. it'll be a big moment. biden was smart to ask for a debate as early as he could get it. >> all right. ceo of the messina group, jim messina, thank you very much for coming on this morning. let's go back live to normandy on the 80th anniversary of d-day. we're going to continue our coverage of today's commemoration ceremony, including the remarks from u.s. president joe biden. just moments from now. we'll be right back. ♪♪ "all eyes on me" performed by gi-yan ♪ all eyes on me brand new drip is what they see ♪ ♪ these diamonds, diamonds on my teeth ♪ ♪ brand new whip is what they see, yeah ♪ ♪ in my bag like a bunch of groceries ♪ ♪ all this cheese and greens just come to me ♪ ♪ look at me on the go. always hustling. eyes on me ♪ ♪ all eyes on me, brand new drip is what they see ♪ ♪ these diamonds, diamonds on my teeth ♪ ♪ brand new whip is what they see, yeah ♪ freedom you can't take your eyes off. the new 2024 jeep wrangler and gladiator. jeep. there's only one. craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office... 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>> well, all is not lost. i was thinking as we look at these pictures and talk about these brave, young men, there are other brave young men and women who stood and delivered after 9/11. you can look at those pictures of high school football teams and tennis teams and cross country teams, and you will see the faces of the men and women who stood, raised their right hand, volunteered, went forward. 7,500 of them killed in what were called the forever wars. i think that spirit is still out there. i want to pick up on a point that michael beschloss correctly pointed to, which is, president eisenhower, then general eisenhower, and his resolute determination to take responsibility, to be accountable. there was every chance this invasion, operation overlord, d-day, neptune, would have failed. he literally wrote out the speech. you can go to the eisenhower library and look at that scrap of paper where he says, any blame or fault will be mine alone. underneath "mine alone," he ran a bold, dark line. that kind of accountability is what we need, i think, at every level. again, when i look at the young people today who are all volunteers to join the military, i think you can drop a plum line to these young men on the beaches of normandy. let's hope that continues into the future. >> richard, you wrote about the bill of obligations, civic need for civic good and civic service, commitment, and sacrifice. the military is one thing, but, right now, in an america writ large that the populous of average citizens that has been so strained by our politics of the last decade or so, do you think it would rise to the moment if there were another occasion like this, an occasion like d-day, that took everyone to contribute? >> as the admiral said, we saw some positive elements of it after 9/11. a lot of people, rich and poor, volunteered for public service. but i think, jonathan, we've got to resurrect public service in this country. i'm not talking about a draft. we don't need that. but we've got to privilege the gap between the american people and the american government. we've got to stop disparaging government. we've got to get people out there to work together. you know, this country has become really separate. one of the great things about the world war ii experience, the greatest generation, is it brought americans together who never normally would meet. they forged this common experience. it's one of the reasons i'm excited about various programs we're seeing at the state level around the country to get americans to do things, whether it's for climate issues or teaching, whatever. i think we've got to resurrect the spirit of public service in this country. it's a little bit of the kennedy inaugural speech. the ask not line. ask not what your country can do for you, what you can do for your country. you know, all this reminds me of laws only take us so far. talk about eisenhower. you talk about these young men and women. ultimately, what really matters is character. what really matters is the willingness of individual americans to serve, to do the right thing. that's not something you can legislate. you can't dictate it. you've got to build the society where this is taught and where these behaviors are modelled. >> you know, i -- >> we're -- >> -- could not agree more. let me just pick at a phrase, which is, thank you for your service. we who are veterans hear that constantly. it is very welcome. i'm glad that we do that. we need to take that concept and broaden it. there are so many ways to serve this country, not just the military. it's peace corps, volunteer for america, teach for america, schoolteachers impact classrooms, making $37,000 a year. you think she served the country? boy, i do. diplomats, cia officers, police, firefighters, emergency medical technicians. to richard's point, what we need is a sense of obligation to our society that is rewarded and incentivized incentivized. i'll tell ya, every time i see a policeman, fireman, a teacher, or a returning peace corps volunteer, i walk up and say, "thank you for your service." we need to broaden that concept. >> you know, mike barnicle, it's hard not to think about how demented our politics are today when we look at these heros and we ponder this moment of unimaginable magnitude. this conversation reminded me of something i think is worth saying about the republican leaders right now. i say it with republican, but our democracy is a privilege. it is fragile, and it is a privilege. and republican leaders following donald trump's autocratic tendencies are validating and reinforcing his violent anti-democratic ways on such a grand scale. they almost remind me of sort of the entitled children of america's democracy. entitled because they don't care what it took to build it. unappreciative of the sacrifice that it took to get here and emboldened for their own advancement of power. so i hope they watch today and open their hearts to the concept of democracy rather than their own anti-democratic road to power. >> that'd be wonder if it would occur, mika, but i doubt it will, given the tenor and the tone of american politics today. the admiral and richard just mentioned a key word, leadership. we need leadership in this country. we presently have pretty good leadership. a veteran of politics, joseph r. biden, a man who knows what he is doing. what's happened to him? well, he gets, you know, every day, he's 81, he's too old to be president, get him out of there. we have the other guy running against him who absolutely just said, we heard him say it, talking about his court case, "i went through something no one ever has gone through." look at the pictures we're showing right now. look at the pictures we're showing right now. this human being says, "i went through something that no one has ever gone through." we need leadership in this country. what we don't need is people running for public office, in either party, but specifically you mentioned the republican party, and the republican leader, mr. trump, who has made it a point to attack the fact that 12 ordinary citizens, 12 ordinary american citizens, strangers to each other, with various jobs or various religions, of various ethnic backgrounds, gathered in a room, the heart of democracy, and came one a verdict in his trial, and now it is a point of attack for him and for nearly every other republican sycophant who follows him. that attack is a direct attack on our democracy. it is the modern day version of a sneak attack on america. it is the modern day version of attacking the fundamental progress we've made in this country and the roots of our country, which is democracy. >> if you're just waking up, you're looking at live pictures from normandy, france, where it is just before 1:00 in the afternoon. we're awaiting a ceremony. we'll get a c-130 flyover in a bit. you're seeing some of the heros of d-day now on the stage. we'll hear from french president emmanuel macron, u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin, and then the president of the united states will speak there. he'll lay a wreath at that american cemetery before heading to omaha beach for an international ceremony. admiral stavridis, as we think back to what was happening right now 80 years ago on those beaches across normandy, and the armada that mike barnicle ref referenced earlier, that came over the germans that were in the nests. you see the dot marks from the artillery that dot the landscape there. can you speak to the operation, operation overlord, the planning of it, and just how overwhelming it was, what a risk it was, and how unlikely it was, frankly, when you look back, that they could have pulled it off the way they did? >> it was remarkable in every regard militarily. if you want a sense of what it was like on the beach, take a look at "saving private ryan." watch the first 30 minutes of that film. which take you inside one of the landing crafters, showing one right now, what it was like when the front door dropped and the bullets started whizzing by your head. or suddenly you just weren't there anymore. it's a dramatic, highly accurate portrait of close combat. the second point to pick up is the use of the word armada. it was a maritime operation. here's a number. 150,000 plus soldiers landed on the beach. there were 250,000 naval personnel. you know, the admiral is going to say this. they were the ride to the beach. by the way, the longest military campaign of the second world war was not the island hopping through the pacific. it was not north africa. it was not the european march to berlin. the longest campaign was the battle of the atlantic. went on for six years, 75,000 sailors were killed. we wrested control of the atlantic from the germans. that's what enabled all of those u.s. troops to get to england, to make d-day. so this really was army, navy, marines, air force. at that time, the army air corps. this was all hands on deck in the military. but it all came down to that point of combat when the front door of that lcs dropped, and young men walked through the surf as bullets whizzed by them, as explosions occurred. moments of extraordinary heroism enabled by the whole u.s. military, enabled by the whole country, which put its heart, its soul, its war effort behind the veterans you're seeing here today. final fact to know, when world war ii started in earnest after december 7th, 1941, the u.s. government took over all of industry. we didn't make a car in america for the duration of those years. we turned everything we had to this effort. these young men were at the very point of a very large spear that ultimately ended the tyranny of hitler and the imperial japanese empire. >> as the stage is set there in normandy, we are awaiting comments by french president emmanuel macron, defense secretary lloyd austin, secretary of state antony blinken, and then the u.s. president of the united states, joe biden, live in normandy on the 80th anniversary of d-day. 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(♪♪) ♪♪ the weather was none too good, but the ships went to the beaches, bringing enormous support of manpower and weapons, and bringing also the mechanical needs of the army and air force, the means to build our first airfields and fronts since 1940. wider and wider grew the sea. the beachhead grew in depth and width. from the beaches, spearheads struck out in land. through the villages, and going toward the north. fighting over open country and in the streets, destroying the german conquerors of france, capturing their supplies and taking prisoners. they fought close to the gliders in which they had landed. [ gunfire ] and here, out of action, come german soldiers in surrender. the first victory for the united nations. >> images from a sky news d-day newsreel on this 80th anniversary of that historic day. we're looking at live pictures of normandy, france, just before 1:00 in the afternoon. a short time from now, french president emmanuel macron will speak. then, of course, president biden will speak, as well, with some of the heros of that day on stage now, in place and waiting for the ceremony to begin. we, of course, will take it live as soon as it begins. michael beschloss, i was thinking as i watched the old newsreel footage of robert capa, the legendary photographer who took the images on the beach at d-day. the story goes, hundreds of them were destroyed in the development process, and only 11 of them survived. magnificent 11. steven spielberg is said to have been inspired to make his incredible film, "saving private ryan," based on those 11 still images he saw. i'm curious ability fdr and churchill and that relationship. we were talking yesterday about churchill writing the famous love letters for years to fdr, trying to compel him to join the fight in europe. fdr kind of holding him at pay bay for a long time. then the attack on pearl harbor brought the united states into the war. what can you tell us this morning on this 80th anniversary about that special relationship? >> well, one thing, and you know this, willie, churchill once said, and he was thinking of his relationship with roosevelt, he said, in any romance or in any alliance, there's one person who kisses and there's someone else who offers his or her cheek. he felt roosevelt was offering the cheek. in 1940 and 1941, as you know, roosevelt had this enormous, you know, growing arsenal of democracy, as he called it, and had the person power that would help churchill to hold off the nazis. churchill was privately almost begging him to help in a political situation, 1941, most americans didn't want to help. it was a war we did not want. the essence of leadership, churchill was asking for, the point is fdr gave it. they had to build 50,000 planes. he said to fdr, don't be frightened this means i'm going to drag you into a war. i'm doing this to keep you out of war. hitler and mussolini look at america, and we don't have a proper national defense. war and dictatorship will come to our shores all the sooner. we're going to take a short break as the events in normandy are slightly delayed. the sights and sounds and words of remembrance that we are expecting include a c-130 flyover, the french national anthem, the u.s. national anthem, and, of course, we'll hear from president emmanuel macron and president biden, as well. stay with us as world leaders and veterans mark the 80th anniversary of the d-day landings, live from normandy. we'll be right back. what causes a curve down there? 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>> what this was was not a localized threat but really a threat to the entire world. if you added up the war-making machines that were germany and japan, it was a threat to all of europe, to some extent the atlantic, as well as all of the asia pacific. that's what this was about, was to reverse the momentum in the war. it truly was a global contest. i think now, it's less than that. you know, that's, i guess, if there is any glimmer of good news, that the threat posed by russia and so forth is slightly less. it is more localized. i don't mean to diminish it in any way, and i'm not suggesting it couldn't spread, mika, but i don't think we're facing a threat of the same magnitude. russia is limited in certain ways in what it is prepared to do. we've seen the limits, the weaknesses, the flaws of its military. increasingly its reliance on mass and, god forbid, nuclear weapon. we'll see how china evolume it was evolves as a major power. i don't think we're facing the same scale as potentially global warfare, but i don't mean to, again, diminish it. history, as you said, is not exact, but, yes, there are parallels here, about aggression and about the challenge to the united states and its allies to stand up for it. the question is whether we rally. i think that's the big issue of our time, is whether we have both the will and the ability. i think the ability is there. to me, the question is the will. whether we have the national unity in this country, whether we have the unity with our allies to meet these challenges. i think that's an open question. we can sit here and be sanguine about it and say, sure, we'll do it, but i don't believe that is intellectually honest. that's the real question for our time. roosevelt had to take a reluctant america and bring it along, as michael said. the question is, will this or future presidents be willing and able to take a reluctant america, a reluctant europe, elements of reluctance in the asia pacific, to meet the challenges of this year? that's what leadership is all about. >> this ceremony commemorating the 80th anniversary of d-day will begin shortly. we see secretary austin seated and in place. we expect to see president macron and president biden a short time from now. we just heard from president biden meeting with the d-day veterans, shaking hands, thanking them for their sacrifice, and president macron saying, quote, we'll never forget your sacrifice. talking to the men, some 100 years old who were there 80 years ago. it gets to something you've seen with your own eyes, something you've experienced on your many, many visits to normandy, to that region, which is the enduring gratitude we've seen even again this week from young people in france, giving these heroing standing ovations as they walk through the streets and visit their schools, that france hasn't forgotten the sacrifice of americans, the british, the australians, the canadians who helped to liberate them 80 years ago. >> willie, it is overwhelming on the anniversary of june 6th each year, but specifically, you know, the 40th, the 50th, 60th, 70th, and now the 80th. if you travel along the coast from normandy through st. mariglese, back up the coast. in every small village, every lamp post, every wireless post, telephone post, whatever, there are pictures of young americans, young canadians who died on that day. they're obviously older pictures but have been recreated and are hanging from post to post the post as you travel 30, 40, 50 miles alongside the shores of the english channel that were crossed on june 6th, 1944. it's overwhelming to meet the veterans themselves. when you meet them. in 1984, 1994, doesn't matter, you realize, my god, this guy who was 17, 18, 19 years of age when he crossed the channel that day and fought, he went home. he was a high school football coach. he was a firefighter. he was a schoolteacher. he was whatever. and they lived with it. very rarely talked about it. they were your neighbors. they are our neighbors. the attention that is given them each and every anniversary, not just the big ones, 60, 70, 80, things like that, is well deserved. pause they are the most humble and most courageous generation, i think, america has ever created and spawned. >> as we have been discussing, american veterans who fought in world war ii, some of whom were on the beach that day 80 years ago, have returned to normandy to mark this anniversary. they received a hero's welcome when they arrived yesterday. most of the veterans 100 years old or around that age. they were young men, teenagers many of them when they fought to drive out the nazis. nbc's kelly cobiella spoke to some of them. >> what do you think, floyd? >> i think it's great. let's keep going. >> reporter: floyd blare is 103. dick was 19 on a transport boat taking tanks to shore. floyd flew above, giving cover. >> to me, it looked like every ship and boat in the world was right out there. >> dead bodies are already washing to shore when i got there. >> incredible. as we await the commemoration ceremonies to begin, i want to read a piece written for the boston globe in june of 1994 remembering d-day. about those who were lost. "these are the heros who all died young. they missed sunsets and baptisms. they went without 50 world series and 50 new year's eves. they never stood at the door anxiously waiting for a daughter's first date to arrive or witnessed their kids' junior proms and college graduations. they never saw men landing on the moon or a fax machine. they were not allowed to walk on a beach with the girls they loved or hold the hands of grandchildren who would have asked about their great crusade. in our increasingly selfish country, where everything and nearly everyone is part of some special interest, we're defining any enemy or current threat to live or moral values is as difficult as peering through the murky fog that envelops this french coast, it is stunning to realize these 4,410 and millions of others sailed to a certain danger with no thought of conquest or profit. they came because they were asked and because they were need needed." i'll go now to the man who wrote those words, mike barnicle. you wrote it for "the boston globe." your thoughts? >> thank you for reading that. it was a long time ago. you know, i grew up in a gold star house. i lived on a street where the flag flew every day. a street filled with firefighters and immigrants. people from italy, from russia. it made an impact on my life, a huge impact, clearly. it still rebounds within me. every time i would go to normandy, i would find something new and even greater about the country we live in, the country that we all share. i have one -- i have many, many specific memories. there was a man named robert murphy, and he was one of the first paratroopers to land in the village of sainte-mere-eglise. >> i had the chance to go once, a presidential trip, but it stays with you forever. i took forward to taking my own kids one day to see it. this particular anniversary, 80 years, comes in an american election year. it comes when the stakes are very high. america's relationship with the world could really change depending on who wins in november. we're going that hear from president biden in a few moments. he, of course, is steadfast in his belief in alliances. his competitor, trump, even with him in the polls, we know he is very much not a believer in alliances. tell us a little bit about, with d-day as the backdrop, america's place in the world. actually, richard, it looks like we'll come back to you in a moment on that. it looks like we are about to listen into the ceremony in normandy. >> order, halt. center face. right. >> almighty god, our sons, pride of our nation, this day, have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity. believe them straight and through, give strength to their arms stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith. >> june 6th, 1944, d-day. france has been occupied by nazi germany for almost four years. some countries have suffered under their sinister yolk even longer. unfathomable crimes were committed against whole peoples. but the burdens of nations can only be lifted by the efforts of individuals. early that morning, lieutenant john spalding, a 29-year-old sports writer from owensborough, kentucky, with philip streczyk, a truck driver from new jersey, were in the 16th infantry as part of the first wave onto omaha beach, where more than 2,400 men would be killed or wounded that same day. navigaing rough waters, they took on machine guns and artillery fire but were able to make it out of the water and across the beach. bypassing a german machine gun in placement 100 yards to their left. mercilessly cutting down men from their company. the radio not working and cut off from the rest of e-company, lieutenant spalding and sergeant streczyk led their company behind a demolished building. pinned down from gunners above, they took stock of their situation. we can still see no one to the right, lieutenant spalding said. we didn't know what had become of the rest of the e-company. back in the water, boats were in flame. a tank ashore was knocked out. after a couple looks back, we decided we wouldn't look back anymore. taking relentless fire from above, avoiding land mines under foot, lieutenant spalding, sergeant streczyk and their men pushed up inward. they reached the top and overran the machine gun nest, opening a path for the men below to follow. fighting onward, they continued along the bluff, attacking enemy fortifications from the rear, clearing trenches and pill boxes and taking prisoners. lieutenant spalding, sergeant streczyk, and the rest of their platoon secured a pathway for the thousands of men bottled up on the beach behind them. the advance could now continue. but military prowess and tactical skill like this were only part of what propelled america's sons to the top of that bluff and beyond. there was something more. in the words of general dwight d. eisenhower, supreme allied commander, they had embarked on a great crusade, and the hope and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere marched with them. that great crusade would eventually free the tyrannized peoples of europe and help save the world as we know it. and it all began right here on june 6th, 1944. >> distinguished guests, please rise if you are able for the arrival of the official party. ♪♪ [ bell tolling ] ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ >> distinguished guests, the president of the united states of america and dr. biden, accompanied by the president of the french republic and mrs. macron. [ applause ] ♪♪ ♪♪ >> distinguished guests, please remain standing for the national anthem of the french republic, followed by the national anthem of the united states of america. [ speaking in a global language ] ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ [ applause ] >> distinguished guests, please remain standing for the invocation. [ speaking in a global language ] >> let us bow our heads in humble reverence and solemn remembrance. let us pray. god, when you needed someone to defend freedom, you made a soldier. when you needed someone to fight tyranny, you created a marine. when you needed someone to protect the skies, you made an airman. when you needed someone to guard the seas, you made the sailor. and to patrol the shores, the coast guard. when you needed to send someone brave and true, it has always been and always will be the men and women of the armed forces. when the world needed heros, you called the greatest generation to courage, and their answer still echoes in the soul of the nation. shine your eternal light upon those whose gravestones encircle us, as silentsentinals. comfort those who mourn empty tables and empty chairs of those who gave their best hopes for our brighter tomorrows. be our witness, o god, as we stand on this hallowed ground, consecrated in blood, that we will be devoted to the preservation of peace, with the same determination as these here who fought four score years ago, as storm clouds gather on the horizon once again, rise up, o. god, the next greatest generation to meet every challenge with an unbreakable resolve to do what is right and good in your sight. not counting the cost but weighing the unfinished work of freedom, of vision where all people can pursue the life to which you have created them. may it be so, i prayer, in your holy name. amen and amen. >> distinguished guests, please take your seats. [ speaking a global language ] >> please welcome the secretary of the american battle monuments commission. [ speaking a global language ] [ applause ] >> thank you. president and first lady biden, president emmanuel macron, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the american battle monuments commission, normandy american cemetery. d-day is the hinge of history. it is here we reflect the very best of america's values. for america sends its young, its brave, its finest. we do not send them to fight for a king or crown. we do not fight for a sect or denomination. we do not fight for a motherland or a fatherland. no, and we never, ever fight for conquest or plunder or enslavement of another people. when america is at its best, america sends its young, its brave, its finest to fight for simple, humble values. the values of freedom, liberty, and democracy. and when the job is done, when the mission is accomplished, when the tyrant is taken down and democracy is stood up, america does something unique in the history of mankind. we go home. all america asks for in the sacrifice of our young, brave, and finest, are a few plots of land to bury our dead. all of you are seated here in one of those small plots of land. that is why this date, june 6th, this place, normandy, and this ceremony here is so important. it is a reminder to all of us of the true cost of war and the real price of freedom. it is a price that we paid on d-day 80 years ago. it is a price that we remind all authoritarian dictators today, that, if necessary, we will pay that price again to ensure the success of freedom. and that is ultimately why france knows, the united states knows, and we know -- [ speaking a global language ] -- that the world's most powerful weapon system is not a t-72 manned by mercenaries, it is not an aircraft carrier patrolling artificial islands, it is not a suicide terrorist killing and slaughtering innocents. no, the world's most powerful weapon system was, is, and shall forever be a free people willing to fight for freedom. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming here. thank you for remembering here. thank you for renewing your faith in freedom. [ speaking a global language ] may god bless each and every one of you, france and the united states of america. [ applause ] >> distinguished guests, the president of the french republic, emmanuel macron. [ speaking a global language ] [ applause ] [ speaking a global language ] [ speaking a global language ] [ speaking a global language ] [ speaking a global language ] [ speaking a global language ] >> we are listening to the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day. that is french president emmanuel macron speaking right now to an audience of world leaders, members of the military, luminaries from around the world. yet, the images that bring tears immediately are the faces behind these world leaders, and perhaps in the audience, as well, the faces of the last survivors of this selfless, seemingly impossible battle that took place on that soil in normandy, on the beaches of normandy. we'll be hearing from president biden next, but, certainly, the theme of the day is what this battle was all about and what it was not about. it was about values and a fight for freedom and for liberty and for democracy. and we hear that point already being made. willie, everybody seems to be marking that especially on this 80-year anniversary, and perhaps given the challenges we are facing today. >> yeah, as the president of france, president macron, continues to speak in french, we will be listening in. he will switch to english in a moment, and we'll bring that to you live. yeah, a powerful message from the secretary of american battle monuments commission there about democracy, about the preservation of these ideals that we're celebrating today. mike barnicle, as we look through the crowd, you see the faces of men like those who were there, who still have that living connection to this hinge day in history, 80 years ago. we also, by the way, saw the faces of tom hanks and steven spielberg. much more than celebrity cameos there. they helped bring the story alive again in "saving private ryan." hanks and spielberg together taking an interest in the story in 1998. the images of the opening 20 minutes that can't be reraced erased from your mind, depicting what happened on the beaches 80 years ago. your impressions so far of what we've seen and heard? >> you mentioned, you know, obviously, it's the 80th anniversary. many of the faces we're looking at on tv of the elderly veterans, many of them approaching 100 years of age, some over 100 years of age, this is their last tour of duty, no doubt. they will not be there for the 90th, i would not think so. again, in the spielberg/tom hanks combination, what they did with that movie was they caused america and many americans who saw that film for maybe just to stop and pause for maybe a minute or two and think about who we are as a nation, what we were then and what we are today. i think that's a good thing, richard. you just mentioned earlier the fact that we don't teach our children, young children, in grammar school and even in high school our history, who we are as a nation, what we've done, and what we've still can do. >> we've got to. we talk so much on this program, mike, about democracy. it's worth preserving. we've got a lot to be proud of. this is a great example about how the united states, working with the other democracies, met the challenge of fascism in europe and in asia. we've got to remind this next generation that we've accomplished great things and we can again, but it takes collective effort. it doesn't just happen. >> it's hard. >> good things don't just happen because they should. we've got to make the case for who we've been and who we are. we just don't do it in our schools. we shouldn't take it for granted. we're two years ago, literally two years and one month away from the 250th anniversary of the declaration of independence. we've got to make sure we have it around for another 250 years. we shouldn't take it for granted. >> president macron now speaking in english. let's listen in. [ applause ] [ speaking a global language ] >> for the great generation -- [ speaking a global language ] >> president maron had spoken to some of the american veterans in english there, but he is back in french. we'll come back to it in a moment. wanted to speak to you, michael beschloss, about news that underlies the themes of alliances, the themes of pushing back, dictators and authoritarianism. we learned that president bidn and president zelenskyy, traveling from normandy, a moment of symbolic significance. >> there are many people who rightfully say that perhaps the president of ukraine is not churchill, but there is a parallel in that churchill was asking americans in 1940, 1941 not to get our -- not to give our lives at that point but to help him stand up to the dictatorships of hitler and others. but i think one other point, willie -- >> yeah. >> -- and that is that we're talking about all these american and allied soldiers, sailors, and airmen. they had been trained, at least the americans were, in democracy. every single one of them was a leader because when you brought in an american democracy, you learn to think for yourself. that is one reason why democracies and america helped the allies to win world war ii in europe. because as hitler's regime crumbled, a lot of the soldiers who were nazis were looking for the top person to look what to do. what we saw in "saving pry yat private ryan," we saw in wartime, a democracy does a better job of fighting than a dictatorship. >> mm-hmm. we are watching right now just live here in normandy, french president emmanuel macron presenting the legion of honor. again, these are the last survivors of the fight on d-day. this emotional commemoration is for them and for the sacrifice of their brothers on that day 80 years ago. richard haass, i want to ask you more about the presence of ukrainian president zelenskyy and the move he is making, given that ukrainians know and believe and say out loud that they are fighting, not just against russian oppression but for the safety of the world. i'd love for you to talk more about the significance of that on this day. >> well, they are. it's important that russia be frustrated, that it cannot succeed. it is not just the threat to ukraine but potentially the threat to europe. we don't want the lesson to stand that aggression pays. it's the same reason, mika, decades ago, the united states resisted what iraq did in kuwait. we didn't want the post cold war period to be one of open aggression. zelenskyy has a point. i think there is potentially friction between the united states and ukraine, it's going to be over the definition of victory. what has to be accomplished with arms? i think that's a difficult conversation to come. the basic idea that the united states has massive self-interest in making sure that ukraine continues to be a liable, well-protected, successful country, absolutely true. that's why it is important that president zelenskyy is there. >> richard, let's revisit what we were talking about before the ceremony began. the idea that there's two different visions of american foreign policy and american alliances and intervention around the world on the ballot this november between president biden expressing faith in alliances, standing with ukraine, versus donald trump, who, every chance he gets, seems to side with vladimir putin and russia. we know nearly detonated nato when he was in office some years ago. just lay out for us the stakes here. also, how europe is watching this and doing so wearily. >> there is a fundamental difference. you can almost summarize it between alliance first and america first. that's the difference between the biden and trump foreign policies. what's also different, jonathan, is almost every other presidential election in a lifetime, even something like goldwater and johnson, the similarities between the candidates were closer than the differences. here, the differences are greater than the similarities. there is not the presumption of continuity in american policy, and that gets to your last question. when europeans were allies in europe and asia, they are -- uneasy doesn't begin to capture it. this was not something they were prepared for. they had the expectation of continuity. that's what alliances are about. there is a certainty with alliances or near certainty. they no longer can have that. they no longer have the luxury. they're going through fundamental questions about what they do in a world where they can't rely on the united states with anything like the confidence they have for the last three quarters of a century, essentially since american entry to world war ii, which is what we're watching today. the commemoration of that. that's why it is really interesting. here we have this election. very few americans are going to vote on the basis of foreign policy. yet, the foreign policy consequences of this election are potentially profound. the rest of the world doesn't get vote. yet, their lives are going to be affected by it. that's why so much of the world is uneasy. >> you know, what we're watching here stands to the point that you've been making, richard, about the history of world war ii, specifically the history of d-day. we have seen a number of veterans being awarded a medal by the president of the united states and the president of france. many of them in wheelchairs, struggling to stand in order to receive the award that both presidents give them. struggling mightily to get up from their wheelchairs at the age of 98, 99, 100, and they do. they stand up. they push themselves hard, and they stand up. the way they stood up 80 years ago this morning, jumping out of landing crafts, walking through water riddled with bullets, risking their lives as the men around them dropped, over 2,400 killed on that beach in a matter of hours. this is a powerful, powerful ceremony to watch. the pictures all morning long have been such symbols of where we are today and the memories of what we were 80 years ago. we've got to revive that spirit, i would suggest, in america. you've eluded to that several times this morning. we've got to revive that spirit because it is who we are as a country. we stand up. >> such a beautiful sign of respect and honor that you can see. president macron and, of course, u.s. president joe biden deliver these medals to these heros. you can see the love and respect in this moment. michael beschloss, i'm wondering if you can talk more about the valor that is being honored today. the valor that these men embody but also hold the memory forever throughout their entire lives, until the days they die, the memory of their fellow soldiers who are not here today. >> absolutely, mika. we've heard this before, about one hallmark quality of that greatest generation that we're talking about, is they came back to the united states in 1945. they rolled up their sleeves and went to work, and they didn't talk about their heroism. it was totally against their natures. contrast that to the generation that we're in in 2024, when an awful lot of americans are adept at calling attention to themselves and their accomplishments. the other thing is that, you know, they were asked to give their lives after pearl harbor mostly in world war ii. it didn't occur to most of them to even think about saying no or, you know, holding back. it was part of their dna as americans and all the way back to 1776, and they were demonstrating what the founders always dreamt of, which was the founders thought we would have to fight wars. we americans would have to make sacrifices. but we know how tough it was for us to win our independence from england. we believe so much in the qualities of democracy that young men and later women would be willing to give their lives for that. we're seeing those people here today. i pray that it's still part of our dna as americans in the year 2024. >> so as we watch french president macron and president biden pay tribute one by one to these american heros of d-day 80 years ago today, the men who stormed the beaches, these are the ones who survived. others lay in the cemetery behind them right now. we're going to hear next from defense secretary lloyd austin, who will give remarks, followed then by president biden. jonathan lemire, this is a significant week for this president. the speech he'll give today, remembering what happened on that day, thanking those veterans there today, but also, as you've been pointing out, another speech tomorrow at sacred ground for world war i for the united states marine corps, for the american military at bellow woods, france. what do you expect today and tomorrow? >> it is a sequence of events fr this president who stands for re-election in five months' time. today, told relatively brief remarks, focused on the heroism of those men we're seeing right now. those who fought in d-day 80 years ago. tomorrow, he'll head to pointe du hoc, the cliffs ronald reagan used as a backdrop for his speech on the 40th anniversary. there will be more of an expansive speech, again, focused on the heroism of world war ii but connecting it to the present day and the battle we're seeing in ukraine and the need to preserve democracy, both at home and abroad. saturday, while he is still in france, he'll be honored at a state dinner in paris by french president macron. he will, as you say, willie, make a stop at the cemetery from world war i bello woods, which was the birth of the marine corps. it'll be an implicit contrast between biden and the man he is running against, donald trump. trump infamously skipped a visit to the cemetery come years ago when he was president because of bad weather. he chose not to go, though members of his cabinet still traveled there. and that will be part of the message from this president who, as richard and i were discussing, is one who is going to talk about the need to preserve alliance, to stand for democracy. donald trump, of course, is at the opposition of that. we saw president biden hand presidential challenge coins, 80th anniversary, to those survivors at d-day. it is a significant week for this president on the world stage, followed up next week with an appearance at the g-7, in italy. he'll head back to europe in a few days' time again, meeting with his fellow world leaders to talk about the need to stand together, to preserve democracy against the fate of aggressive forces across the globe. >> as we watch the presenting of the legion of honor to these survivors of that day, i want to read to you some of their own words, recounting the moments that they experienced 80 years ago. floyd blair, who is 103 years old, flew above giving cover. to me, he says, it looked like every ship and boat in the world was right out here. floyd says this will be his last trip to the beaches. veteran ed bertold looks back at a letter he wrote. dear mom, just a few lines to tell you that we are all okay. we flew mission number ten on d-day. this, "the associated press" reports, is from dick rung, who was 19 years old when he was assigned to a tank landing craft that landed on omaha beach on june 6th, 1944. at 99 years old, the memory is still alive for him as he recounts time spent hosing down the deck, blood of those who were killed. quote, "two of the soldiers who got hit, badly hit, we couldn't save and the blankets soaked up their blood. finally, the skipper said we can't leave it like this. so we got out the fire hose and we washed down the deck of the blood. it sort of disappeared. i was only a kid, and most of the crew was too. i wasn't trained for this, i said. rung's craft stayed in normandy for almost five months transporting troops, supplies, and vehicles from larger ships to shore. he then headed to the pacific theater where he spent the rest of world war ii describing the brutality of war. rung concluded, i'm a peacemaker. i'm not going to do this again. and one more from veteran andy negra who is 101 years old, and he was born in pennsylvania and he was the first in his family to graduate from high school. he joined the army in 1943 and landed on utah beach in normandy on june 18th. he said, quote, he didn't think of dying. you knew what you had to do, and when the time comes, you did it. that's the way i looked at it. here's u.s. defense secretary, lloyd austin. >> dr. biden, president macron. this is macron. distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen, and above all, the veterans of world war ii. i am honored to stand again at this pallid place. we bow our heads to remember the more than 9,000 u.s. and ally soldiers killed or wounded on d-day by hitler's forces. on behalf of the united states department of defense, i am here to give thanks, inadequate as that word may be. 80 years later, we thank the young americans who took the beaches, who helped liberate france, and who helped free this continent from nazi tyranny. we thank every allied warrior who fought for freedom on june 6, 1944. and we thank the american and allied veterans who have rallied once more on the shores of normandy. victors of d-day, we are umbled by your presence. the young americans who fought through the clamor and the chaos on d-day have grown old or left us. and whenever a veteran of d-day is gathered to his maker in the fullness of time after a long life lived in freedom, he wins a final victory over hitler. you helped defeat what churchill called a monstrous tyranny amid the catalog of human crime, and you laid the foundation for a more just, free, and decent world. together with our allies, we built peace out of war. a heart-headed peace. a peace renewed by constant commitment, a peace forged by the generation that won the bloodiest war in human history. and so our gratitude must never fade. our memories must never dim, and our resolve must never fail. we still seek a world where aggression is a sin, and where human rights are sacred, and where all people can live in freedom. and so we must rally again to defend the open post-war world of rules, rights, and responsibilities. those rules protect us. those rights define us. and those responsibilities summon us once more. at this hand in history, we must, again, stand firm against aggression and tyranny. and as i said here last year, if the troops of the world's democracies could risk their lives for freedom then, surely the citizens of the world's democracy can risk our comfort for freedom now. so let us again uphold the spirit of d-day. let us again defend the principles that the allied armies carried, and let us again thank the heroes of d-day who kept freedom alive for us all. you saved the world. [ applause ] save the world, and we must only defend it. gentlemen, we salute you. [ applause ] may god bless the american and ally troops who fought here. may god bless the united states of america, and may god bless all who cherish human freedom. thank you. [ applause ] >> papa, what was it like on d-day? ♪♪ >> we had no idea what we were going to do or where it would happen, but it was the beginning. >> it was a very decisive battle for us because our mission was to establish ourselves on the beach. >> but when we were on that boat, that higgins boat, everybody talked about the same thing. >> we started at this sandy area, and there were hundreds of men inside. >> my father jumped about 1:30 in the morning on june 6th. the plane was too low. it was too fast. the fire coming us one so thick. it was like you could walk on it. >> it was nothing like we had ever seen before in all of our training. >> i always have to say that there was this power of my mother's prayers that saved me that day. >> and it gets to me, thinking about it. but as i look over all those crosses, i see people standing up, waving. i have to go back because there's something there that draws you back. >> i have a very close friend that i knew by the name of edward morozewicz, and he had a huge wound and you couldn't bandage it properly. we said good-bye to each other forever. he's laying here on the cemetery here in colleville. he paid the ultimate price for the freedom of europe. >> what young people want to know, and need to know, everybody i saw that i was glad to fight alongside them, they were willing to stand up. and not all of them came back. >> and they all have a story to tell, and it's our responsibility to tell those stories. people will not be forgotten as long as we keep talking about them. ♪♪ ♪♪ >> i am not a hero. i just did my job. the real heroes are laying there on the cemeteries. these are our heroes. we should never forget them. [ applause ] >> the 46th president of the united states of america, joseph r. biden jr. [ speaking in a global language ] [ applause ] >> the hour had nearly come monday, june 5, 1944. the evil stirred right that has devastated the world. nazi germany that once subjugated europe through brute force, lies, and twisted ideology of racial superiority. millions of jews, murdered in the holocaust, millions of others killed by bombs, bullets, bloody warfare. hitler and those with him, thought democracies were week, that the future belonged to dictators. here on the coast of normandy, the battle between freedom and tyranny would be joined here on that june morning the testing was at hand. president macron, mrs. macron, secretary austin, secretary blinken, distinguished guests. most of all, our honored veterans who met that test of ages to that moment 80 years ago. 80 years ago today. [ applause ] people, as commander in chief. it's the highest honor to be able to salute you here in normandy once more, all of you. god love you. [ applause ] winston churchill called what happened here, quote, the greatest, most complicated operation ever, end of quote. after years of planning, operation overlord was ready to launch. just as soon as the weather turned, across the choppy english channel, the supreme commander of the allies, dwight d. eisenhower waited, the largest force ever of its kind, built by 12 nations. men, guns, planes, naval craft of every description waited. the world captive and free waited. finally, eisenhower's forecasters said there was a window in the weather. it would open briefly on tuesday, the 6th of june. the general weighed the options and gave the order. at dawn, the allies would strike. great crusade to free europe from tyranny would begin. that night, general eisenhower drove to the english town of newbury to visit paratroopers of the 101st airborne. there were men from all over america. it was estimated that 80% of them would be killed within hours. that was the estimate. but they were brave. they were resolute, and they were ready. one soldier told general eisenhower, quote, don't worry, sir. the 101st is on the job. everything will be taken care of. that's what he said. and because of the courage and the resolve, because of the courage and resolve of their allies, it was taken care of. from the sea and sky, nearly 160,000 allied troops descended on normandy. many to state the obvious, never came home. many survived that longest day, kept on fighting for months until victory was finally won. in a few, the notable band of brothers are here with us today. on that day, under heavy artillery fire, the operated and range finder and radar on the first american ship to arrive at normandy's coast providing direct gunfire support for the rangers scaling the cliffs, and appoint the hawk on their daring mission to take out the german batterist. bob gibson is here. he landed on utah beach about 10 hours after the invasion began. bullets flying everywhere, tracers lighting up the sky. bob drove an m-4 tractor with an aircraft mounted on top providing critical intelligence for the infantry against the german air force. on that day and for many days after, he continued. ben miller is here. a medic with the 82:00nd airborne. at 3:00 a.m. on june 6th, he and 13 other medics flew over the channel in a glider. his wings were ripped off by giant poles that the germans buried halfway in the ground to stop them from landing. they crashed, but they survived, and they did their duty, dragging injured soldiers to safety, treating wounds, saving lives while the battle raged. every soldier who stormed the beach, who dropped by parachute or landed by glider, every sailer amid the thousands of ships and landing craft, every aviator who controlled bridges and railroads, all were backed by other brave americans including hundreds of thousands of people of color and women who courageously served despite unjust limitations of what they can do for their nation. louis brown is here. part of the red ball express, a truck convoy made of most african american drivers. they landed in normandy in the wake of d-day. they rush supplies to the rapidly advancing front lines. woody woodhouse is here. members of the legendary tuskegee airmen who flew over during the war. marjorie stone is here. she enlisted in the women's branch in the naval reserve, became an aircraft mechanic, spent the war keeping american planes and pilots in the air. theirs has always been the story of america. just walked the roads of the cemeteries i have. nearly 10,000 heroes buried side by side. officers had enlisted. immigrants and native born, different races, different faiths, but all americans. all served with honor when america and the world needed the most. millions back home did their part as well. from coast to coast, americans found countless ways to pitch in. they understood our democracy is only as strong as all of us make it together. the men who fought her became heroes not because they are the strongest or toughest or fiercest, all though they were, but because they had given an audacious mission, knowing every one of them knew the probability of dying was real, but they did it anyway. they knew beyond any doubt, there are things that are worth fighting and dying for. freedom is worth it. democracy is worth it. america's worth it. the world is worth it. then, now, and always. the war in europe didn't end for another 11 months, but here the tide turned in our favor. here we proved the forces of liberty are stronger than the forces of conquest. here we proved that the ideas of our democracy are stronger than any army or combination of armies in the entire world. we proved something else here as well. the unbreakable unity of the allies. here with us are men who served alongside the americans that day wearing different flags on their arms, but fighting with the same courage for the same purpose. what the allies did together 80 years ago far surpassed anything we could have done on our own. it was a powerful illustration of how alliances, real alliances make us stronger. a lesson that i pray we americans never forget. together we won the war. we rebuilt europe including our former enemies. it was an investment of what became shared, and a prosperous future. we established nato, the greatest military alliance in the history of the world, and over time, you got it. it is. [ applause ] and over time, we brought more nations into nato, the nato alliance, including the newest members, finland and sweden. [ applause ] today, nato stands at 32 countries strong, and nato is more united than ever and even more prepared to keep the peace, deter aggression, defend freedom all around the world. america has invested in our alliances and forged new ones, not simply out of altruism, but out of our own self-interest as well. america's unique ability to bring countries together is an undeniable source of our strength and our power. isolationism was not the answer 80 years ago, and is not the answer today. we know the dark forces that these heroes fought against 80 years ago, they never fade. aggression and greed, the desire to dominate and control, to change borders by force. these are perennial, and the struggle between dictatorship and freedom is unending. here in europe, we see one stark example. ukraine has been invaded by a tyrant and on domination. ukrainians are fighting with extraordinary courage, suffering great losses, but never backing down. [ applause ] they've inflicted on the russian aggression. they suffer tremendous losses in russia. the numbers are staggering. 350,000 russian troops dead or wounded. nearly 1 million people have left russia because they can no longer see a future in russia. united states and nato and a coalition of more than 50 countries standing strong with ukraine. we will not walk away. [ applause ] because if we do, ukraine will be subjugated and it will not end there. ukraine's neighbors will be threatened. all of europe will be threatened, and make no mistake. the autocrats of the world are watching closely to see what happens in ukraine. to see if we let this illegal aggression go unchecked. we cannot let that happen. to surrender to bullies, bow down to dictators is simply unthinkable. [ applause ] were we to do that, it means we would be forgetting what happened here in these hallowed beaches. make no mistake, we will not bow down. we will not forget. let me end with this. history tells us, freedom is not free. if you want to know the price of freedom, come here to normandy. come to normandy and look. go to the other cemeteries in europe where our fallen heroes rest. go back home to arlington cemetery. tomorrow, i'll pay respects at point. go there as well and remember the price of unchecked tyranny is the blood of the young and the brave, and their generation, their hour of trial, the allied forces of d-day did their duty. now the question is in our hour of trial, will we do ours? we're living in a time when democracy is more at risk across the world than since the end of world war ii since these beaches were stormed in 1944. now we have to ask ourselves, will we stand against tyranny, against evil, against crushing brutality of the iron fist? will we stand for freedom? will we bend democracy? will we stand together? my answer is yes and only can be yes. [ applause ] we're not far off from the time when the last living voices, those have fought and bled on d-day will no longer be with us. so we have a special obligation. we cannot let what happened here be lost in the silence of the years to come. we must remember it, must honor it, and live it, and we must remember the fact that they were heroes that day does not absolve us from what we have to do today. democracy's never guaranteed. every generation must preserve it, defend it, and fight for it. that's the test of the ages. in memory of those who fought here, died here, literally saved the world here. let us be worthy of their sacrifice. let us be the generation that when history is written about our time in 10, 20, 30, 50, 80 years from now, it'll be said when the moment came, we met the moment. we stood strong. our alliances were made stronger. we saved democracy in our time as well. thank you very much, and may god bless you all and may god protect our troops. thank you. [ applause ] >> distinguished guests. in honor of those with us today, and hallowed ground, katherine viamasu will now read the watch. [ speaking in a global language ] >> detail, attention. center face. >> when a sailor retires, it is traditional that a younger service member read the watch. today, we want to read the watch for all world war ii veterans here today both behind us and all around us. 80 years ago, these sailors stood the watch while some of us were in our bunks at night. these soldiers stood the watch. while some of us were in school learning our trade, marines, airmen, and coasties stood the watch. yes, even before some of us were born into this world, the men behind me and their brothers and sisters who lay before me stood the watch. in those years when the storm clouds of war were seen brewing on the horizon of history, they stood the watch. many times, they would cast an eye ashore and see family standing there, needing guidance and help, needing that hand to hold and those hard times, but still they stood the watch. they stood the watch 80 years ago. they stood the watch so that we, our families, and our fellow countrymen and women can sleep soundly and safely each and every night knowing that these veterans stood the watch. today we are here to say world war ii veterans, the watch stands relieved. relieved by those you have trained, guided, and led. american world war ii veterans, you stand relieved. we have the watch. [ applause ] >> order. center face. present arm. >> distinguished guests, please rise if you are able as we salute those memorialized here at normandy american cemetery and remain standing for the playing of taps and a departure of the official party. [ speaking in a global language ] ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ [ applause ] >> all right. you're watching live the ceremonies in normandy, france commemorating the anniversary of d-day 80 years ago. president biden and the first lady as well as french president emanuel macron will be walking through the graveyard there in normandy in just a few moments, but the president had an extremely moving and pointed speech about the value of freedom and democracy, first honoring the men there on the stage with him as well as those who were lost, but he actually turned around to salute the remaining heroes calling them a noble band of brothers, and he told their stories, calling them the stories of america. he talked about their diversity, their very many different hometowns, but the one thing he had in common, and that was the duty to serve, their mission. the president talked about the massive collective effort to end tyranny and the bravery of the daring mission on d-day 80 years ago that these soldiers carried out, not for glory, not for money, not for power, not for notoriety, but because they were asked to for freedom, for the values that make our democracy what it is today, and the president also highlighted the importance and the strength of nato calling it the greatest alliance of all-time to applause. pointed out that nato is growing and plans to defend freedom around the world. he talked about the dark forces that those soldiers fought against and how those dark forces never fade. tyranny and domination never fades, and even pointed to ukraine and what ukrainian soldiers are doing right now, with the losses the country has endured. volodymyr zelenskyy is there. pretty important symbolic presence that he has brought to this commemoration. president biden said on ukraine, we will not walk away. there will be no surrendering to bullies, no bowing down to dictators. he called that unthinkable. he also said the price of unchecked tyranny is the blood of our young, and we will stand up to that tyranny. the question is will we? he says the answer is a resounding yes. the president saying, freedom is worth it. democracy is worth it. then, now, and always. our coverage will continue after a short break, and coming up as part of our live coverage marking 80 years since d-day, we will speak to secretary of state antony blinken. 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you're not allowed to talk. when that happens, we are no longer a democracy, and we're not going to let that happen, and i know a lot of republicans who want retribution. they want to do that. we're going to see what happens. >> people are claiming you want retribution. people are claiming you want what has happened to you done to democrats. would you do that, ever? >> look. what's happened to me has never happened in this country before, and it has to stop because -- wait a minute. >> i want to hear that again. it has to stop. >> it does have to stop because we're not going to have a country -- >> if you're not elected, define that. >> look. what i've gone through, nobody's ever gone through. i'm a very legitimate person. i've built a great business. >> focus on those that want people to believe that you want retribution, okay? you will use the system of justice to go after your political enemies. >> so number one, they're wrong. it has to stop because otherwise we're not going to have a country. when this election is over, based on what they've done, i would have every right to go after them, and it's easy because it's joe biden and you see all the criminality. >> you pledged to restore equal justice, equal application of our laws, and this practice of weaponization. is that a promise? >> you have to do it, but it's awful -- look. i know you want me to say something -- >> i don't want you to say. i'm asking. >> i don't want to look naive. what they've done to the republican party, they want an arrest on no crime. i will do everything in my power not, but this tremendous criminality to me, if it's going to continue, we're really not going to have much of a country left. >> okay, willie. help me out here. first of all, no criminality. this was not biden's justice department in the criminal trial in new york city. it was a jury of donald trump's peers, 12 people, and alternates just to fact check him right there, but also hannity, mr. softball, setting him up saying, come on. come on. you wouldn't actually have retribution. you're not -- you don't mean that, and of course, he's, like, yes, i do. just like with the documents when hannity was, like, come on. you didn't actually take the documents. donald trump is not messing around. he promises retribution, and as he even told hannity, when hannity gave him a chance to semi cover it, he will serve it up. so with that, i mean, i'm not sure what more people need to know given a lot of things that donald trump has promised have come to pass. >> yeah, and i'm not smiling about the substance about what the president said. i'm smiling with exactly what you put your finger on which is this entire genre of interview now where sean hannity embeds the answer into his question, tries to lead donald. i wish my oral exams in high school and college were like that where the teacher just kind of nods along and gives you the answer. >> me too. >> that's the way they do it. he said donald trump and the remarks they played before that interview clip, he said a lot of people are saying they're going to want retribution. he likes to separate himself, but obviously he means himself and sending cues to others about what should happen. again, he was charged. he was tried. he was convicted by a jury of his peers in new york. the fact that he took classified documents back to his beach club is not some imagined conspiracy against him. it's a thing he did. we'll see what happens in that trial. >> yeah. >> as it moves forward. so he wants retribution against people, the justice department, the fbi who are actually bringing him to justice on things that he did or is alleged to have done. >> yeah, and willie -- >> let's bring into the conversation -- >> just one thing before we get to our guests, it's so interesting to me that he says -- this has never happened before, and that's why something needs to be done. in every case -- well, i will say in the most clear cases because obvious that we have to wait for the law to play out, but in the case of the documents, you see the pictures. he says he took them. he says they're his. okay? he admits to the crime. in the case of the hush money criminal trial, where 34 felony counts against donald trump came up guilty, there was evidence presented in court that backed it up. so yes. yes, mr. president, former president trump, this hasn't happened before. there hasn't been a former president who had sex with a porn star while his wife was pregnant, and then years later before a campaign was to get into full swing, paid off through hush money through a fixer, breaking campaign finance laws and having fraudulent business records. i mean, that has not happened before, and he has been found guilty of that. he's right. it hasn't happened before, but it's -- unfortunately, what happened to him because of his own actions. >> right, and to change the subject from what he did or alleged to have done from some imagined conspiracy that suggests the government is out to get him. let's bring in ceo of the messina group, jim messina. he ran obama's 2012 campaign successfully of course. good to see you, jim. you often are the guy who comes in and sort of tries to calm the nerves a bit of democrats when they get panicky, looking at data, looking at numbers. so let's talk first about the fund-raising that scared a lot of democrats after donald trump was convicted last week on 34 felony counts, raised a boat load of money, put that into some perspective though as compared to how the biden campaign is doing. >> yeah, willie. if you look at the overall numbers, biden continues to have a very healthy fund-raising lead. he has way more money in the bank. i know this sounds a little won i can and geeky, but the truth is joe biden's money is all small donors whereas donald trump's money is from big donors who are giving to his superpacs. that ad-buying later in the campaign is more expensive. they can't get the lowest unit rate, and then most importantly and you and mika and i have talked about this in the past, the one thing you can't make more of in a presidential election is time. we're 152 days out, and the biden campaign has over 150 field offices staffed with paid staffers in the battleground states. donald trump has zero. and so every day these people are talking to voters, both their own base and these swing voters, and you just can't replicate that with money. we always knew that trump was going to catch up after he got the nomination. he clearly had an outstanding day after his criminal conviction. it's a little cynical that, you know, they raised a bunch of money after he was found guilty of 34 felony counts, but it is what it is, but overall the biden campaign's doing what they need to do, which is build a massive army in these battleground states to get their vote out. >> yeah, and jim, the biden campaign really looking forward to that first debate as a moment to sort of change trajectory of the race. we're seeing polls shift a little bit towards the president in the wake of that conviction. let's get you to weigh in on the top of george washington yesterday, this wall street journal about the president's age. it is a narrative. polls do suggest that some americans think the president is too old for office. we know donald trump though, just a couple of years younger, but if you were still in the white house, what would your communication strategy be to simply -- to manage this issue? fair or not, it's out there. how would you suggest the white house and the campaign handle it? >> by doing exactly what they're doing, getting him out there as much as they can, and about getting early debate because you're exactly right. it is an issue. people have questions about it. we all remember at the state of the union, he did a master performance, and looked on top of his game, and the polls rose then. this debate moment is really, really big for them. i can't believe donald trump is letting them have it because, you know, people expect joe biden to not be as good as donald trump. trump has set all the expectations to the top of the moon. he's this great guy. joe's sleepy joe, et cetera, and joe biden goes in there and has a good debate, and it's going to significantly make people think about their perceptions of this race. i think it will be a very big moment, and i think biden was very smart to ask for a debate as early as he could get it. coming up, the governor of pennsylvania, josh shapiro, is standing by. we'll talk about his role in president biden's re-election effort when "morning joe" comes right back. -election effort when "morning joe" comes right back we've always loved taking care of our home. but last year, grandpa here broke his arm. we realized some home maintenance jobs aren't worth the risk. that's when we called leaffilter to protect our gutters. leaffilter's patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good. they gave us a free inspection and we had the system installed that week. my only regret is not calling them sooner. now we can focus on what we really enjoy. join millions of satisfied homeowners. call 833 leaffilter today or visit leaffilter.com ♪♪ it was a classic stephen production. he had "when a man loves a woman". >> ladies and gentlemen. mr. and mr. van zandt, meet them. ♪♪ >> it was way out there. >> i'm glad to see that, and it worked. i guess that had something to do with it. >> the fans heard, like, stephen got married, and bruce was the best man. it was the wedding band from "the godfather." >> and then i heard it was really great. >> i don't remember a thing, but that's what i heard. >> that was a look at the new documentary titled "stevie van zandt: designal." it follows the musician and actor from his humble beginnings to his wonderful career. performing alongside bruce springsteen, the disciples, and even james gandolfini, and we're joined now, so with us, the film's director, bill tech. gentlemen, thank you for being here. stevie, i can't wait to see this. so tell us why now. why did you decide this is the moment to be in this? >> he chased me for how long. >> a long time in 2006, and years and years of trying to get me to do this film. he finally agreed. >> the truth is i just -- i'm not comfortable being the center of attention, okay? that's just a fact, and i didn't want to be in it at first. i mean -- >> he's not in the early cut. i was, like, you got to be in the movie. >> it would be hard to do without him in it. >> i tried. >> it was a lot of footage. >> a lot of footage out there, but yeah. anyway, they worked on it for, like, two years before i even agreed to be in it. >> that's true. >> i think -- look. in the end, we talked about what's the purpose of this thing, and it's about the work, you know? getting -- getting the work exposed as much as we can because, you know, that's one of them things that just -- i've always had trouble balancing that art and commerce thing, you know? >> can you explain, or how hard is it to explain the coordination of a band? you're in a band. you're with a group of guys up on the stage. and the synchronization of the show always amazed me, that you know what someone's going to do before they do it and then you do your thing. >> we've really been together a long time. that helps. there's a bit of esp that goes on after a while. and in the beginning, we had to be really good before we even get into the business. we had to be good live. we had very high standards growing up in the '60s. we had to compare ourselves to the beatles and rolling stones and the who, very high standards. a lot of history bill got into in the film. >> tell us exactly that. what are some things we're going to see? people who know stevie, what are they going to learn? >> the whole breadth and scope and passion for keeping rock 'n roll alive is really interesting. people may know him from television, from his acting, but they don't know him from his music, or radio station or things he's directed and produced. they may not know his record label. there's so much to stevie beyond just music, but then we also get to expose the story of his amazing music, his friendship with bruce, his beautiful love story with his life. >> pretty good resume. >> did you ever think from watertown, massachusetts, to where you are today? how often do you think about that? >> about ever hour. no doubt, we were the luckiest generation ever, and i'm the luckiest guy in the luckiest generation. i'm grateful, first of all, that somebody's making a movie about me. that's incredible already. i'm honored that bill and the guys spent that time doing that. destiny plays a role. if my mother hadn't remarried and my father hadn't adopted me and brought me from boston to new jersey, i would have never got into the new jersey scene. a lot of detail is in my book. bill, the conversations we had -- i haven't seen the film myself yet. >> you haven't seen it? >> no, no, no. >> as you said, rock music is sort of at the heart of this. what do you see as the future for rock? is this still going to be vital for decades to come? >> it's in big trouble. it's an endangered species in my opinion. it's in trouble. all three of the businesses that we grew up with are in trouble, music, tv and movies are going through some major changes. we're still successful live. that's how we started. we played for ten years before we got into the business. >> it's captured in this new documentary titled "steven van zandt, the disciple." stevie van zandt, congrats and thanks for being here. next, we turn back to the anniversary of d-day. we're joined live by secretary of state antony blinken. doris kearns goodwin weighs in on leadership in turbulent times. on leadership in turbulent times. for a condition you can't control. you'll get better when your pain isn't minimized, dismissed, forgotten. we will never stop trying to get better. because when medicine gets better, all of us can get better. (♪♪) one soldier told general use eisenhower, quote, don't worry sir. because of their courage and their resolve, the courage and resolve of their allies, it was taken care of. in the sea and sky, nearly 160 allied troops descended on normandy. many, to state the obvious, never came home. many survived that longest day, kept on fighting for months until victory was finally won. and a few, a noble band of brothers, are here with us today. >> president joe biden speaking at the ceremony commemorating d-day in normandy, france. joining us is secretary of state antony blinken. thank you very much for joining us on "morning joe." what should our allies and enemies take away from the president's speech this morning in normandy? >> the same resolve that the extraordinary men and women that we're celebrating today showed then, he's showing now. because they did what they did, we're here today. we not only have the responsibility to honor what they did, but the real way to honor it is to make sure we're good in our time, in our moment in standing up to the challenges we face. one of those is aggression from russia, not only against ukraine, but against the very principles put in place after world war ii to make sure we didn't have another war, that we maintained peace and security. the president is determined to make sure we're standing up today just as they stood up 80 years ago. >> the president talked about ukraine as one of the current challenges that exemplify the fight against dark forces that never fade. he made yet another commitment. he reenforced the commitment to ukraine. by the way, if i may, we're watching live pictures right now of president biden and the first lady walking through the cemetery in normandy, france. as we look at these pictures, which really symbolize the losses 80 years ago on d-day, and talk about the losses ukraine is incurring now. president biden did say support will continue, that we will be there for ukraine. how does that parallel with some of the reticence we've seen in washington that actually delayed the much-needed aid ukraine needed to push back against russian aggression? >> that aid should have gotten there a long time ago, but i'm glad it's there now. it's making a difference. there's a powerful parallel too between what we're commemoraing today and what we're doing now. back then, it wasn't just the united states. here in normandy, 12 countries came together, 160,000 men coming to this beach, coming to start the final fight that ultimately 11 months later led to victory in world war ii. in ukraine, we have more than 50 countryies countries, standing up, standing together. our competitors sometimes coerce countries into helping them. here, we have country after country that volunteers to stand together in defense of principles that we share and know need defending. we're seeing that in ukraine. we saw that 80 years ago here in normandy. >> mr. secretary, jonathan lemire. i wanted to get your reaction. donald trump, the presumptive republican nominee, has said a few times that vladimir putin will release "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich, who is being held prisoner on espionage charges. trump is suggesting putin will do so right after the election were he to win. is there some kind of back-channel conversation between trump and putin? or is this just dangerous, incendiary rhetoric. >> i don't know what he's talking about. we're making sure any americans being detained come home. we've managed to bring more americans home than any administration. i carry a list with me every day of the americans who remain detained by one power or another. we're working hard to make sure not another day goes by before they're brought home to their families. i'm not sure what he's referencing, but i can tell you we're working at it every day. >> mr. secretary, as you sat there this morning on sacred ground, you witnessed a group of veterans aged 98 to 103 struggling to stand in order to receive the legion of merit there both the president of the united states and the president of france. given the burden that the president is carrying and that you're carrying in gaza, in the donbas, in kyiv, i was wondering as you watched the ceremonies and looked at the faces of these aged veterans, what were you thinking about? >> mike, it was such an incredibly powerful moment to look at these men and try to imagine what it was like for them 80 years ago when they were 18, 19, 20 years old. i thought back too. it resonated with me. my dad then, 80 years ago, had just left college in the middle of his school year to sign up for the air force to prepare to go into world war ii. somewhere else on this continent, my stepfather was incarcerated in a concentration camp, a death camp. the men who came here to normandy 80 years ago and turned the tide in the war, because 11 months ago world war ii was over, some of them went onto liberate those camps and liberate my stepdad. he was liberated by an american tank with that five-pointed white star on it, rushing up to the tank and opened the hatch, an african-american g.i. he said the only words he knew in the english language, "god bless america." that's what i was thinking about today. god bless america. god bless those men who went before us to save the world. >> mr. secretary, the president talked about nato, how it's growing, how much stronger it will become against these dark forces. we have had a time in the united states where the commander in chief at the time did not respect nato. i'll say it kindly, undermined it. can you share what's most important about the conviction and commitment of this internal alliance? >> mika, it's really, as i said, our comparative advantage that we can bring other countries together in common purpose so that it's not just america alone. it's all of us taking on and upholding the cause of freedom. in ukraine, it's more than 50 countries, not just the united states. for everything that we're putting into it, collectively, our partners, our allies are putting in even more. that's what's making the difference. so to deny ourselves those alliances, those partnerships, would be to shortchange our own interests and mean we'd either have to do everything ourselves or it wouldn't get done. we used to have an idea after world war ii called enlightened self-interest where the investments we made in others, the work we did with others, that came back ten times, a hundred times, a thousand times to our benefit. it meant we had new allies to deter aggression. it meant we had new partners to deal with big problems that one country count deal with alone. we had new markets for our businesses and workers to sell to. that made sense for america. president biden is determined to make sure our alliances are strong, our partnerships are real, because that's good for the country. >> secretary blinken thank you very much for being on this morning live from normandy. we appreciate it. let's go right to peter alexander live in normandy. peter, you spoke with the house minority leader. tell us about that conversation. >> reporter: i had one with the oscar winning actor tom hanks, who is here alongside steven spielberg as they remember these brave heros, that band of brothers as the president described them today. 9,388 american service members are buried here, many of them giving their lives on d-day 80 years ago today. it is a humbling and solemn place, a day on these hallowed grounds where you really recognize the service and sacrifice. i asked hakeem jeffries about this visit, and here's part of what he told me. >> it's serious, it's solemn, it's sober to be here to give our respects to people who paid the ultimate sacrifice in defense of america, american values, the free world, democracy, all of which we have to fight hard to keep going. but to think these were young men, 18, 19, 20, who were racing toward conflict, not running away from it, because they believed in all that america stands for. it's important for us to build upon that and keep going what they fought so hard and in many cases died to protect. >> reporter: that's what's as striing as anything when you see these young men, 18, 19, 20 years old, the average age is 100, so few world war ii veterans still living. it will be perhaps the final reunion they'll all share on these grounds here. what was striking is how president biden tried to harness the heroism of that day to deliver another message about another dictator vladimir putin who is trying to stake a claim to this continent here given the war taking place in ukraine, the president saying we will not walk away, we will not allow ourselves to be bullied, to surrender to the bullies here are some of the powerful words he shared on this day. it is a day where patriotism comes before party as you see so many americans from all across the country coming here. that's something we take home when we leave this place. >> peter alexander, thank you so much for your excellent coverage live from normandy. thank you. joining us now presidential historian and author doris kearns goodwin. doris, your thoughts 80 years later, given you're a student of history and of presidents, but i want to hear your thoughts on president biden's speech matching the moment that we are in. >> you know, i wish, mika, that this ceremony and the conversations you've had this morning could be broadcast in high schools right now across the country, because it makes that history come alive, it makes you understand what president biden was talking about, that the allies came together at this moment on d-day, and the allies need to stay together today. what i keep thinking is, that was a moment, d-day when churchill, eisenhower and fdr had taken the lead in preparing us for that day, getting all the factories and the weapons and the ships and the planes, an incredible armada. everything was going to depend on the bravery of those individual soldiers who would have to jump off the landing craft and go up that hill amid the german bullets. little wonder the leaders couldn't sleep the night before. imagine what it was like for eisenhower that night. churchill said he went in to wake clementine. only fdr was able to sleep, partly because his paralysis had taught him that when there are events that you can't control, you just have to decide to go with it and go to sleep. when the marshal called at 3 a.m. in the morning to tell him that the war had started, she was the one who had to awaken fdr. he immediately called his cabinet and white house staff to come together. the saddest thing is he and churchill wanted to be together, but fdr's health was not such. they were apart. so glad to hear in the middle of the night that the day had begun. >> we've been looking at pictures all morning long. we've been talking about an event that occurred 80 years ago all morning long. it still resonates, the pictures of the aging veterans, 100-year-old men still resonate. my question is, as a historian, given the limited attempt span we now have in this country with everything, where september 11th seemed distant to many people and many people can't put their finger on what happened september 11th they're so submerged in information, both false and accurate, about a number of topics. what will historians have to say about this moment in america? there's no war that involves americans right now, thank god, really. what will you have to dig at to find out what was up with the american culture today? >> what i've got to hope is that 50 or 100 years from now when historians look at this moment, they will see that we finally came up to the challenge that we're facing. i don't think we have so far come up to that challenge, obviously given the divisions in our country right now, given that isolationism is still a strain in american democracy, we're in a very difficult situation. the only thing that gives me hope sometimes is just looking back. it seemed at the time of the civil war, as lincoln said, that we were in a situation when the south was not willing to agree to losing that election. they decided to secede from the union. we were in those situations. in early world war ii, when germany swept through western europe living only britain standing alone, we were 18th in military power. we had nothing to help england with. if hitler decided to go to england first, the whole outcome would have been different. we produced a tank every seven minutes, a plane every four minutes. we've got to remember that. if we don't remember those moments when we came through, we're in such a tough moment now, it's going to take us a long time to get through it. i wish we could have some kind of national service program so the young people coming out of high school could go to a different part of america and see what it's like to live in the city or country or agricultural area. we no longer have to worry about what teddy roosevelt warned, we have to see each other as americans not as the other. this is so important that people refeel that emotion so we know what history has done in the past and what we can do again in the future. >> never forget. presidential historian doris kearns goodwin, thank you. doris's new book "an unfinished love story of the 1960s" is available now. so the political action committee led by former president congresswoman liz cheney is out with a new ad commemorating the 80th anniversary of d-day and calling for a president driven by a noble purpose. "morning joe" has an exclusive first look. ♪♪ >> on june 6th, 1944, president roosevelt addressed the nation with a prayer for the troops landing on the beaches at normandy. >> our sons, pride of our nation, set upon a mighty endeavor. they fight to end the conquest, they fight to liberate, they fight to let justice arise and tolerance and good will among all bad people. >> these men came here, british and our other allies and americans to storm these beaches for one purpose only, not to gain anything for ourselves, not to fulfill any ambitions that america had for conquest, but just to preserve freedom, systems of self-government in the world, many thousands of men have died for ideals such as these. >> one's country is worth dying for and democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever demised by man. all of you love liberty. all of you are willing to fight tyranny. you knew the people of your countries were behind you. >> today we give thanks for all that was gained on the beaches of normandy. we remember what was lost with respect, admiration and love. these freedom and these hopes are what the heros of d-day fought and died for. >> america deserved the president as good and steadfast as our nation, a president of character, driven by a noble purpose, one who honors the sacrifices of our troops, not a man consumed by spite, revenge and self-pity. >> let's bring in democratic governor of pennsylvania josh shapiro. he's a member of the biden/harris campaign's national advisory board. thank you so much for coming on this morning. my first question might by mistake wade into the political, but i am talking about the d-day commemoration and how moving it was and would like to hear your thoughts on president biden's speech. it seemed more emotional than ever, these commemorations, looking into the eyes of the soldiers who survived sitting on the stage being saluted by the president and the french president. my reaction to this moment is a little bit in response to what's happening at this time in our history and a sense of slipping. your thoughts? >> mika, thank you. look, it was a solemn reminder of our responsibility to defend freedom and democracy. the president in what i thought were just outstanding words and poignant words not only reminded us of that history of ordinary americans doing extraordinary things, but he connected the dots between the bravery of 80 years ago on those beaches and the responsibility that falls to each of us today to continue to perfect our union, to defend democracy, to protect our freedom. he made clear what the choices are not just in an election, but in our everyday lives to stand up and recognize our own unique responsibilities. very few americans will be able to ever be in a position to have to summon the courage as those brave american soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and others had to do on those beaches. but each of us needs to be called upon every day to do our part. in many ways, i thought the president connecting the dots today is also a reminder of what's at stake in this election and something we all have to think really clearly about. yes, there are two names on the ballot, president biden and donald trump. but in many ways this election isn't just about them. it's about all of us and whether we're still willing to fight for democracy and freedom, whether we still value honor and decency and want to protect our institutions, whether or not we're going to continue to summon the courage every single day in our lives to advance the cause that was started right here in pennsylvania, in philadelphia nearly 250 years ago, work that is ongoing and work that falls to us. so there are markers every day in our lives where we have to do this work to defend democracy and freedom and one of those important markers coming up, of course, is the presidential election. joe biden represents honor and decency and freedom. joe biden is the best hope we have to continuing our democracy. throughout american history and far be it from me to talk history following doris kearns goodwin, but i'll do my best here. if you look at the arc of history, we're a nation that always made progress. we've taken a couple steps forward, and at times we've been knocked back a step, but we always advance. if we fail to recognize the high stakes of this election, that it's about freedom and democracy, not just a name on the ballot, if we go the wrong direction, if donald trump is given the keys to the white house again, it won't be one step back, it will be many steps back, less freedom, less decency and a real risk to our democracy. >> the president makes clear that one of the threats to our democracy would be challenges to the rule of law. we are just about a week since former president trump was convicted and found guilty in a manhattan courtroom. you're a former attorney general. your take on what we've heard from donald trump and his fellow republicans attacking the justice system itself? >> look, i'm no stranger to donald trump attacking the justice system, attacking me, attacking our courts in pennsylvania. remember, i was the attorney general back in 2020 when donald trump attacked our very foundational system of our democracy, our election system, our voting system. donald trump and his allies sued us 43 times. i went 43-0. he went 0-43. we had a free and fair and safe election and the will of the people was protected. he has shown no regard for our institutions. he only cares about himself and his standing. remember, while we wants to attack the judge and the prosecutors, at the end of the day it was a dozen ordinary americans who made that judgment that donald trump is now a convicted felon 43 different times. they weighed the evidence. they studied the facts and the law. his fellow americans rendered that judgment. that's how the system works. ultimately it will be up to the people to think about how that will impact his ability to do the job as president. i think it shows his level of corruption, his level of selfishness, and it shows that time after time after time he puts himself before the country. >> pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, the vote on elon musk's controversial $56 billion pay package goes before the tesla board next week. andrew ross sorkin just sat down with the board's chairman moments ago. he joins us next. 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and mr. trump, who has made no secret of his desire to purge the federal bureaucracy of those found insufficiently loyal to his agenda, will be able to fire those who refuse. what's more, the times also highlights how republican leaders in and out of government are publicly pushing to prosecute democrats as legal retribution for trump's felony convictions, specifically steve bannon, the former chief strategist to trump who was convicted in a federal prosecution for failing to comply with a congressional subpoena in the january 6th investigation. he told the times in a text message that now is the time for obscure republican prosecutors around the country to make a name for themselves by prosecuting democrats, stating, quote, there are dozens of ambitious back bench bs bencher state attorneys general who need to seize the day in this moment in history. joining us, symone sanders townsend, donny deutsch and state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg. dave, can you expound upon how this time around if trump did win another term in the presidency that actually those threats wouldn't be something that republicans or people who choose to vote for him despite thinking that's wrong perhaps going, oh you know, he's not serious, how actually this time around it can be serious. >> mika, it is really dangerous if donald trump gets a lackey as attorney general, they have immense power as a federal prosecutor. they'll have less ability to influence local prosecutors. one of the best things about being a local district attorney is that the governor, the attorney general are not your bosses. the people of our communities are our bosses. that's why when maga accuses joe biden of pulling the springs, they're lying or they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the criminal justice system. if the white house was involved with putting their thumb on the scale at the local level, they would be calling me because i'm the state attorney with mar-a-lago in my jurisdiction. what this shows is that team trump is projecting yet again when they claim that the prosecutions are weaponized against the former president. it's cynical, it's dangerous and it shows how the rule of law means nothing to these people. >> let's take the other side of this and what democrats are doing and should be doing in the wake of the verdict. we've seen polls suggest a slight move toward president biden, a point or two. they went back and recanvassed voters they had spoken to, modest, but two points when the race is close could make a difference. how should they be taking on this verdict? is it something that should be front and center or just a piece of the puzzle? >> i said last week it's a branding issue. everybody should call him convicted felon donald trump. keep it present. as you talked about earlier, the parade moves on. this is something the parade should not move on. i couldn't help watching this morning from normandy and biden's speech and as biden referred to tyranny around the world, a dictatorship around the world and lack of freedom around the world, i was not confused. i kept thinking, is he talking about trump or is he talking about putin? everybody should just watch and look at the faces of those 100-year-old men from the greatest generation that gave their lives. what they did that for is so we today could have a free vote. it's as simple as that. what is on the line in this ballot -- and i'm not being overly dramatic here -- is free elections going forward. will we have free elections if donald trump is elected? that's what's on the line. it's no more complicated than that. it's freedom versus the end of democracy. that's it. that's not hyperbole. >> in order to do that, in order to defeat donald trump, we have to pick up a certain percentage of trump voters. >> well -- >> go ahead. >> well, i would say not trump voters, because trump voters are voting for trump. there are very few people who brand themselves as trump voters who would consider casting a ballot for joe biden. so i actually think in order to win joe biden is going to have to recreate parts of his coalition from 2020. that coalition included republicans and obviously a number of independent voters in addition to democratic base voters. i have to tell y'all i talked to our colleague michael steele. he said you have to create a permission structure because there are republicans who cannot fathom voting for joe biden. especially black and latino voters, young people, women who have been voting democrat for a long time, they have not had a problem going into the voting booth and pushing the button for a person who doesn't align with them on everything, but they are clear about why they're voting. republican voters have not had to do that for a very very long time. republican voters have never had to hold their proverbial nose and cast their ballot for someone they don't think aligns with them 100%. in this election, when we talk about democracy, hearing joe biden this morning made me very -- every day i'm proud to be an american, but today made me especially proud. when he stood out there and said it is the blood of the young and the brave that will defend and he made the case very clear, that's not a speech donald trump could have given. it's not something donald trump believes. it is going to take a coalition of people, again, as the times wrote, in america, presidents have to earn their mandate and they earn it from the voters. the question on the table is, can joe biden earn that mandate? i think he can, but i think they'll have to recreate that coalition. >> will we stand up to tyranny? the answer is yes. i felt the same thing you did. i did feel the very same way. georgia's 2020 election interference case will not go to trial before the presidential election this november. yesterday a georgia court of appeals officially stayed the case until at least october. that month, the court will hear a challenge of the judge's decision to allow fulton county district attorney fani willis to stay on the case. it seems in two of these really key cases, jonathan lemire, the delays keep coming. >> yeah. the trump playbook for more than a year now since all these charges in various jurisdictions brought was delay, delay, delay to try to push them back past the election. that didn't work in new york. we got a verdict last week. but it seems to be working everywhere else. the mar-a-lago classified documents case, judge cannon seems to be running interference. that leaves only one. that's this federal january 6th case. big pieces of it lie before the supreme court weighing whether or not presidents have full immunity. one option could be they say, no, of course not. if that's the case, there is a slim chance jack smith could get this trial done in maybe august and therefore we would have that before the election. but if they do anything else, including take it back to the circuit court, then it's going to be beyond that. give us your analysis as to what you think could and will happen. >> the only case that could go before the election is that d.c. interference case. judge cannon is slow walking the case down in my neck of the woods. fani willis had some self-inflicted wounds in the georgia case. then in d.c., you have judge chutkan who wanted to go and the prosecutor who wanted to go, but the supreme court is holding it up. the supreme court could throw it back to judge chutkan and say now you have to do certain fact finding. that would make it much harder to have the trial before the election, but she would have a public fact-finding learning in which the public could learn all the dirty details about president trump's involvement with january 6th. the problem is people need to know whether donald trump is guilty of these crimes that everyone was aghast about on january 6th. the department of justice, which normally does not push cases shortly before the election, has announced they will go to trial in this case within 60 days of the election if the supreme court gives it the green light. that's why i think there is still a chance that it could go. you have a prosecutor and judge that are ready and you have a case teed up. we'll see what the supreme court does. it's for all the marbles. >> dave aronberg, thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," senate republicans block a bill that would guarantee access to contraception nationwide. we'll talk about that and dig in to the battleground polls we just mentioned. we'll be right back. just mentioned we'll be right back. made my life a lot harder. but the picture started changing when i started on vyvgart. ♪♪ vyvgart is for adults with generalized myasthenia gravis who are anti-achr antibody positive. in a clinical trial, vyvgart significantly improved most participants' ability to do daily activities when added to their current gmg treatment. ♪♪ most participants taking vyvgart also had less muscle weakness. and your vyvgart 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access to contraceptives was not at risk and democrats were only using the vote as a messaging tool. senate democrats to hold several votes on reproductive health. majority leader chuck schumer has announced plans for another procedural vote next week on a bill to codify protections for ivf. symone, call it a show vote, call it what you want, it, i think, is significant to know where these republicans stand and if anyone thinks that your birth control can't be denied, think again. >> mm-hmm, mm-hmm. >> think again, mika, i mean, the idea that access to contraception to birth control is not at risk, for men maybe not, right? i don't see access, excuse my krasness, but condoms going away anytime soon. when it comes to the birth control pill, when it comes to things like the shot, when it comes to things like an iud, those things are in jeopardy. if people think i'm being dramatic or being ridiculous, take a look at what conservatives who sit on the supreme court have said in their concurring opinions about what should be on the chopping block. take a look at what republican-elected officials in state houses from north carolina to south carolina to wisconsin, to texas and many places in between have said about women and birth control. they are coming for contraception, whether we'd like to believe it or not. >> all right, a trio of new polls in critical battleground states shows that robert f. kennedy jr. helps president biden's chances of retaking the white house, though the margins are narrow. the latest poll from main street research and florida atlantic university shows that in wisconsin donald trump holds a slight lead over biden, but when kennedy is added into the mix biden takes a seven-point lead. in michigan, the poll finds trump and biden tied at 5, when kennedy is added biden edges ahead, while in pennsylvania biden narrowly trails trump in a head to head matchup, but takes the lead when kennedy is a choice. we should note that those polls were partially completed online. therefore a margin of error could not be assigned. polls of these sizes would have margins of error of around 4%. mike barnicle, i still don't -- what's he doing in this race? i don't know. i mean, i'm very, very leery of gaming out elections with a third contender, yeah. >> you ought to be. you legitimately ought to be. look, what is he doing in this race? he's running the race for himself. he's a very damaged individual. i've known him nearly all of his life. he's a very smart guy, and he's a nice guy, but he's a damaged guy, and the idea that he's running for president of the united states, i don't know how many ballots he's going to get on, john, but i don't think enough to do a whole lot of damage. >> neither campaign's sure what to make of this either. it's very clear from donald trump's increasingly frantic truth social attacks on robert f. kennedy jr. that he's concerned that rfk could draw from him. but the biden team, donny, is worried as well. we know cycle after cycle, in recent history, third degree candidates tend to hurt the indicates more, 2000, 2016 the best examples there and the biden team has been more aggressive in their stance with rfk jr. as well. what's your read on this? it's a pretty solid number. he's come up 10, 11, 12, 16, depending on the state. that's clearly a sign people aren't happy with the choice. >> the polls show that he's hurting trump more than biden. i don't know that i believe that. i think it's still a tossup frankly. the trump people seem to be on the surface more worried about it, but look, history has been changed by ralph nader, by jill stein, by ross perot. this is a real issue. this is something both sides have to grapple with. i agree with mike, this is a damaged guy. he's not well. his family has begged him to not be in it, but he's here to stay, and it's going to be an issue. symone sanders townsend, thank you, we'll be watching "the weekend" saturday and sunday mornings beginning at 8:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc and donny deutsch, thank you very much as well. jonathan lemire, i'm just curious, i was incredibly moved by the 80th anniversary commemoration of d-day, what we saw today, and i mentioned it to governor shapiro earlier in our coverage, i think it has a lot to do with what our country is facing right now and sorry to bring politics into it, but the election that is coming this november. i feel like it's a choice to go back in time and to revisit a very nasty era in history, not trying to exaggerate, but it feels like we are at an incredible turning point. >> there's no doubt, and first of all, i encourage anyone who has the ability to visit normandy someday to please do so. it is an incredibly moving place and it's in commemoration of one of the most important days in modern human history. you're right, the reason why today's, the 80th anniversary felt so powerful. for many of these veterans this is the last one they'll see, i don't know if the 85th or 90th there will be anyone left, the stakes of this election what they fought for still feel very much in play again today. >> yes, they do. thank you very much for joining us. that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage after a short break. ak (bell ringing) limu, someone needs to customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. let's fly! 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