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"way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. donald trump has completed his presentencing interview with a new york probation officer after being convicted in his criminal hush money trial. what sources are saying about what happened during that private proceeding. plus authorities release a new mug shot of rudy giuliani as part of the arizona fake electors case to change the results of the 2020 election. we'll show you how giuliani responded just moments after being processed. and also ahead, dramatic new video of the moment israeli special forces rescued three male hostages being held by hamas in gaza. what we now know about where they were found and how the daring mission unfolded. good morning and welcome to "way too early" on this tuesday, june 11th. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us. former president donald j. trump completed his virtual interview with a new york city probation officer late yesterday afternoon. a source familiar with the matter said the interview was short, lasting less than 30 minutes, and described it as uneventful. it was conducted by private videoconference with trump's lead attorney, todd blanch, by his client's side. the interview was part of a mandatory process ahead of the july 11 sentencing. following trump's conviction last month on 34 felony counts in his hush money trial. the probation officer who conducted the interview will now deliver a report to judge merchan who will use it when determining trump's sentence next month. meanwhile, trump says he stands side by side with a group that wants to, quote, eradicate abortion entirely. the presumptive 2024 republican nominee virtually addressed the members of the danbury institute yesterday. on the group's website they refer to abortion as the greatest atrocity facing our generation today and child sacrifice. they also oppose so-called unbiblical ideologies that are attacking america's children including lgbtq emphases. yesterday trump referred to those as, quote, our values and effectively praised the danbury institute for its work. >> i want to thank each and every one of you for your tremendous devotion to god and to country and your support of me. your work is so important. we can't afford to have anyone sit on the side lines. now is the time for us to pull together and to stand up for your values and for our freedoms. i hope we'll be defending them side by side for your next four years. these are going to be your years because you're going to make a comeback like just about no other group. i know what's happening. i know where you're coming from and where you're going, and i'll be with you side bide side. >> elsewhere one of trump's associates new york city mayor rudy giuliani was booked by the new york city maricopa office for his role in the fake electors case. giuliani and his allies are facing convictions for their efforts to overturn the election. when asked whether he had any regrets regarding his efforts giuliani had this to say. >> do you have any regrets about what you did in arizona after the election? >> oh, my goodness, no. i'm very, very proud of it. >> it's been three years. we haven't found anything, haven't seen anything. many people have tried. >> many people are covering it up. >> like who? >> the president of the united states. >> do you believe you'll be acquitted am. >> this is a complete misuse of the criminal process to interfere with the 2024 election. >> so much to fact check there including his tie. meanwhile the biden campaign is out with a new ad that hits donald trump during a campaign rally he had in las vegas just this past sunday. take a look. >> because i don't want anybody going at me we need every voter. i just want your vote, i don't care. >> i'm joe biden and i approve this message. >> short and sweet. in just hours the jury will resume deliberating for a second straight day in a wilmington, delaware, courthouse. the jury got the case late yesterday following instructions from the judge and after hearing closing arguments from both the defense and the prosecution. prosecutors lay out what they described as overwhelming evidence against the president's son. hunter biden's attorney argued that prosecutors had not met their burden of proof in terms of proving the case beyond a reasonable doubt. earlier in the day the defense rested its case without calling hunter biden to testify. first lady jill biden was present in the audience for yesterday's proceedings as she has been throughout the trial. hunter biden has pleaded not guilty to three felony counts tied to a possession of a gun while using narcotics and lying on a government form. it's unclear how this case will impact the presidential race, but certainly those close to president biden are deeply concerned about the personal toll it will take on hunter biden's father. joining us now anthony coley who previously served as the top spokesperson for attorney general merrick garland. anthony, good to see you here on set in washington. let's talk about the hunter biden case first. what's your read on yesterday's closing arguments? >> so here's what's so interesting about this case, jonathan, is that there's a lot of circumstantial evidence here. we talked a lot about the passages in the book and then there are the text messages that all suggest that hunter biden was not sober during this period of time. but there is no smoking gun. there's no eyewitness here, so you can see a scenario where a jury says, you know, the government has not met its high burden of proof. that's the first thing. the second thing to me is a lot of what's happening off the stand, the unconditional love this man is receiving from all of his family not just through this trial but through his period of addiction. and number two, this reiteration that we heard from the president last week that he's going to respect the jury's verdict, and even if they return a not guilty verdict, that he would not pardon his son. and i can tell you if the shoe were on the other foot not only would donald trump not make that promise, this case -- a case of a similar -- a case looking at his family, you can see a scenario where he would not even have let it get this far. you know, he would have practically burned down the justice department if an obama era u.s. attorney was investigating his family. >> and biden has been very hands off. and briefly, what's the rule of thumb in terms of how long the jury will deliberate? could we get a verdict today? >> we could very well get a verdict today. one day of deliberation for every day the trial went on. that's the rule of thumb. they could come back they told the judge we deliberated for a couple days and we don't have a verdict, they're split. >> we'll turn to trump for just a moment. do you think the prosecution proved their case? >> i'm not the lawyer, so i'm not going to render my verdict, but i hope that hunter biden will be able to move on with his life. >> let's turn to donald trump's probation interview yesterday. it's a standard part of the procedure, about 30 minutes or so, but tell us why it matters and that includes because if he ends up with probation, he's not allowed to associate with other people who have criminal records themselves, have spent prison time, and at that point that's a lot of people in his universe including just the other day steve bannon. >> that's exactly right. plus also interesting here are the factors that go into whatever report that the probation officer provides, right? and you've got to imagine that they're going to consider donald trump's efforts to accept the norms and the rules, and we know from just looking at this case, this is a man who has violated the norms and the rules, you know, ten different times he refused to accept this, narrowly tailored gag order. so it's going to be interesting to see how this one plays out. >> we are now precisely one month from donald trump's sentencing. today is june 11th. that comes july 11th. this probation here scheduled yesterday, are there other markers, procedures or events we should be looking for between now and that sentencing at the end of the month. >> no, i think right now what typically happens in the process the probation officer will prepare a report for the judge, and the judge obviously is the one that's going to make whatever determination he feels is appropriate in this case. >> and we will see if that includes prison time. msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst anthony coley, thank you. good to see you as always. next up here we'll bring you the latest from the middle east amid new reporting the biden administration is potentially looking at negotiating a deal with hamas to release american hostages in gaza. it's not clear if israel would be part of those talks. plus, donald trump's repeat conviction in new york could means he loses the liquor license at some of his golf courses. we'll have those stories, the other top headlines, as well as a check on sports and weather when we come right back. a check when we come right back. sup? 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>> good morning, jonathan. it's looking real soggy in the state of florida for the next couple days. from west palm to miami and out towards naples interest 6 million people. i wouldn't be surprised if that expands and sticks with us through at least the end of the workweek. we've got a stationary front hanging out in northern florida. it's going to leave us unsettled with a whole lot of moisture to tap into, and that means, yes, multiple rounds of rain, today, tomorrow and getting into thursday and friday we'll continue to see really heavy rain working in. with all this rain on tap we likely will see upwards of maybe 10 inches, 12 inches, up to over a foot to 15 inches possible specifically across parts of southwest florida, so we likely will have the flooding concern be there at least through the end of the workweek. this will be something notable to watch here over the next couple of days. meanwhile, out west it remains warm. temperatures triple digits in las vegas, phoenix headed to 110 today. el paso headed to 102. by the time we get into tomorrow this heat starts to expand further to the east. salt lake city 99 degrees. notice minneapolis headed to the upper 80s. temperatures way warm for this time of year, and we get the east coast in on the action, too. 36 degrees on thursday new york city 90s on tap by friday, mid-90s for richmond. the same goes for charlotte both friday and saturday and a warm weekend too for folks friday and saturday in atlanta. this is something we'll see last into the weekend. summer will be in full swing in this region before you know it. >> summer is here. angie lassman, thank you so much. we'll talk to you again tomorrow. still ahead we've got new video that shows the dramatic moments israeli forces rescued some of the hostages held by hamas. plus the latest on a possible cease-fire deal. we'll be right back. sible cease-fire deal. we'll be right back. . supporting your - oops - energy, immunity and metabolism. and yours too! you did it! plus try centrum silver, now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble losing weight now clinically proven and keeping it off? 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>> based on the reporting and what we've heard from the white house publicly, this is without question the most concerted effort that the biden administration has made in this eight month long war to get to some kind of deal. they've been pushing for a temporary cease-fire for some time. obviously this deal as you note has phases, the beginning of which would be this six-week cease-fire when hamas would release israeli hostages in exchange for israel releasing palestinians who have been detained by the israeli government, and then of course negotiations over a permanent end to the war and the withdrawal of israeli forces from gaza. what's interesting about it is the u.s. is saying prime minister netanyahu has accepted the deal although we haven't heard prime minister netanyahu say that in public himself. reuters is reporting just this morning hamas has accepted the deal and willing to negotiate over the details. i think what you're really seeing from the administration is a real push to bring an end to hostilities especially given this administration has come nod a lot of criticism for u.s. support for israel during the course of this war given the devastation in gaza, and i think they really want to get to a deal not just to secure the release of hostages and some of the suffering in gaza but with the election just months away, it's really critical for president biden i think to get to a deal. >> with the civilian toll rising and certainly there is the possibility of a u.s.-hamas deal and much prefer israel be involved too. you mentioned political fallout and let's turn your recent reporting how the war weighs on the president. you spoke to one family in pennsylvania divided over whether or not to support biden at the ballot box in november because of this very issue. tell us about it. >> this to me is microcosm of the debate many democratic voters have been having since the start of the war as you've seen not just progressive democrats but a lot of voters who are part of the democratic base, question the biden administration's really unequivocal backing of israel during the high civilian death toll, given the widespread starvation in gaza, and this family is one of the many families split what to do about it. there are democrats still going to support president bide even if they're frustrated with the way he handles this war, also they want to prevent another trump presidency, but there are a lot of voters who i think frustrated with the way this war has played out and that the president has not just not been very critical of israel during this offensive in gaza but also the u.s. has continued to provide weapons and other military support. and i think that coalition or that constituency is really key because there's a lot of concern within the white house and even among the biden campaign not those voters would swing towards trump but vote third party or stay at home. in a key voter ground like pennsylvania where his family is based some of these states are separated by tens of thousands of votes. neither candidate and certainly not president biden can afford to lose any voters in november. >> certainly the biden team desperate for this war to end before november. we mentioned earlier in the show the jury is deliberating in the hunter biden case and a verdict could come as soon as today. we went through the legal implications then, and certainly it's reported the personal toll this will take on president biden. as you talk to republicans and democrats alike whatever the verdict is here, guilty or not guilty, is it actually going to change anything in the presidential race? >> we haven't really seen too much indication this is going to affect, you know, independent or swing voters when it comes to election and support for president biden. this is not an issue that is top of mind, you know, for a lot of the types of voters that biden needs to turn up in november, but it's going to be a key issue for republicans. i think it's something that animates their base and it's something they're trying to use a counterweight to, you know, the criminal charges against former president trump, of course, the former president was convicted in the hush money trial. i think there's a big difference, of course, in the former president who is himself on the ballot facing, you know, criminal charges and the president's son who is not involved in the administration, who has not held any formal role in the administration. but there is also this question of a toll it takes on the president himself that you spoke to. obviously it is a deeply personal issue for him. he's not going to be addressing it publicly. he said he supports his son, but of course i think he doesn't really want to -- he campaigned on restoring independence to the justice department, to the legal system especially given, you know, the charges against his opponent, i don't think he wants to be in the business of weighing in on the legal issues themselves, but just kind of going back to the big picture, you know, this is not top of mind for i think most of the voters who are going to the polls in november who it would make a difference, but it is something i think certainly a political issue that republicans are going to try and leverage and maybe use as a distraction. >> yeah, whether to say guilty the biden family is corrupt or not guilty, the justice system is rigged against republicans. covered a lot of ground this morning. sabrina siddiqui, thank you for being here. we appreciate it. next up we'll go live to cnbc for an early look what's driving wall street as investors await the federal reserve's decision on interest rates. plus apple joins the artificial intelligence race. what we're learning about the new technology the iphone maker plans to offer when we come right back. e maker plans to offer when we come right back [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there's still beauty and breath to be had. because with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open and prevents future flare-ups. and with one dose a day, trelegy improves lung function so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy for copd because breathing should be beautiful. so this is pickleball? 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>> yeah, good morning, john. look, certainly the impact then of this fed policy meeting will be quite significant for this market picture, right? because it determines ultimately what does the rate cut in policy pretty much look like? how all the data has culminated so far and you saw just last week friday that hot jobs report being the labor market still looked pretty robust, 270,000 jobs still being created. all of that plus the growth projection, the inflation trajectory remaining a bit sticky, although there seems to be a drop, though. has all that data meant the fed is little more comfortable with cutting interest rates a little bit later on this year? or are they still in wait and see mode? and how much more data dependent will it be? all of that has meant the market is pretty nervous ahead of this meeting and has remained pretty negative to start things off, although it is close to that flat line. >> so apple as we just teased has announced a major push into a.i. with a huge impact on how we all could use our iphones. so what have we learned so far as to how this company's going to use artificial intelligence. >> well, if you like emojis, you can use the as a key starter. they've also included their partnership with open a.i. which means chat gpt ultimately forms a big primary part then of apple as well-meaning siri works with chatgpt to formulate responses on answers and questions you may certainly have to the chat bot, which siri was known for. of course the big question mark is whether they'd use that ability then to grow the data model and also be able to grow the number of people who actually purchase iphones. a question mark, however, is whether this will be enough to do that. not entirely sure. investors didn't necessarily feel too enlightened by the story and perhaps underwhelmed a bit on the updates. so perhaps not enough to shift investors at their price went down nearly 2% yesterday. >> and lastly shares of the british personal computer maker known as raspberry pie jumped on its first day as a public company. what does it say about the market for new stock listings? 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"the washington post" is reporting that the united states has decided to allow a controversial ukrainian military unit to deploy american weaponry on the battlefield. according to the paper, ukraine's brigade was banned from using u.s. weapons roughly a decade ago. at the time u.s. officials said some of the unit's founders espoused racist, xenophobic and ultranationalist views while u.n. and human rights officials accuse the group of some humanitarian violations. now the unit will be allowed to deploy the same weaponry any ukrainian crew can use as it pushes back against russia aggression. joining us now executive vice president at the center for international policy. matt, good to see you this morning. foreign affairs in the spotlight during this presidential election year of late. president biden heads tomorrow to the g7, and of course just concluded a trip to france to commemorate d-day but also to meet with world leaders including ukrainian president zelenskyy. how effective do you think this administration is right now in keeping the spotlight on the war in ukraine and the efforts to continue to supply kyiv? >> yeah, i mean i think the administration deserves a lot of credit for the work they did, you know, before the russian invasion and in the immediate wake of it and building real unity with european allies and building support from countries around the world. obviously the war in gaza for the last eight months has drawn a lot of attention. it continues to take up a lot of space on the agenda for very good reasons. i think the ukraine war has grown quite frustrating for them. it seems to be bogged down in a bit of a stalemate, so there are real questions about what will happen next there, although, president biden continues to make clear that the u.s. is going to be there, you know, supporting ukraine in the long haul. well, this is all happening in the midst of, you know, of a presidential campaign that they would really much rather be talking about domestic legislature accomplishments. >> so let's talk about where things stand in ukraine. as you said a bit of a stalemate at the moment, but russia made some progress in their offensive earlier this spring but not a lot. they continue to pound kharkiv with weaponry. tell us a little bit about the u.s. move to arm ukraine and allow them to strike within russia but also do you see much in the way changing on the battlefield or is this eventually going to turn into a frozen conflict that might eventually lead us to the negotiating table? >> right, i think if you go back about a year you saw a ukrainian counter offensive that surprised a lot of people in its effectiveness. the second counter offensive that began earlier this year was obviously not as successful. that has brought us to the situation where we are now, and that was not really a surprise because in the intervening year russia had the opportunity to really embed itself to lay a lot of mines, to dig a lot of trenches, so harder to root them out. but during the second counter offensive, so, yeah, it looks like we are -- there hasn't been too much movement. it looks like we might be in a frozen conflict for the moment. i think the ukrainian military hopes that a new strategy of striking russian facilities across the border could potentially change that equation. obviously, that's an escalation. the question is, is it a wise one? the question is, will that meaningfully change the situation here? you know, the kind of theory of the case that the administration has had up until now is to support ukraine's defense in the hopes that that would put them in the strongest possible position eventually around the negotiating table. i don't think that's changed. the question is, at what point does putin have interest in a negotiating piece? that's been missing up until now. >> there certainly will be ramifications coming out of elections in the eu, u.s. in november, and other european nations in the months ahead, as well. >> yeah. >> executive vice president at the center or international policy, matt duss, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. up next on "way too early," we're seeing fewer arrests at the southern border. we'll break down the latest numbers now that president biden's executive order is in effect. coming up on "morning joe," a louisiana woman is traveling across the country for the biden campaign, sharing her experience with abortion. she'll join our conversation with her story and why she says black women are disproportionately impacted. plus, jury deliberations resume later this morning in the hunter biden criminal trial. a panel of legal analysts are standing by with key takeaways from yesterday's closing arguments. also ahead, oscar nominated actress minnie driver will be in studio to discuss season two of her hit show "the circuit queen." 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>> there's so many ways republicans attack this issue, and something that doesn't change is the hyper focus on crimes committed by cry mai migrants in the country illegally. there's always footage from border checkpoints. it mitigated some of the republican messaging, and it said to democrats that biden is willing to do things that are unpopular with the base. i think that's popular with some voters who are on the fence, who voted for biden last time. it's not going to mitigate the entire immigration issue for him. >> republicans, you know, are the ones who killed the bipartisan border bill earlier this year. democrats have really tried to make that point, but have we seen that has sunk in, changed the polling? >> it hasn't changed the polling, but democrats have the argument. they could say, we know what it takes to fix the border. republicans blocked this to help donald trump. what is donald trump's answer? what is he going to do? to make the space for the argument is what this executive order was for. but, no, they've not found a way out of this since really early 2021 when border crossings were up because biden reversed trump's policies. republicans have a simple message here, which is, do you remember all the border crossings when trump was there? remember migrants coming to new york, chicago, et cetera? trump is going to reverse that. there is nothing as simple democrats have. they have been showing they're willing to say to the migrant advocates in their base that they're not listening to them. they're going to adopt policies the aclu is going to sue them for probably any day in california. let's turn to primaries. you've been following it closely. nancy mace, representative of south carolina, her election is tonight. tell us about that race and also what we're seeing writ large about these intraparty battles. >> the mace race will be hard to follow. she won 2020. donald trump endorsed her opponent in 2022. donald trump is for her this time. she has one of several races where trump has intervened in some way and become the issue in the race. that's intensified since the convictions in new york. this one is kind of unique. her opponents have argued that whatever nancy mace says, she's in this for attention. if you want a true maga conservative who is not going to ever make you question where the next vote is coming from, vote for me. that's her problem. across the country in north dakota, trump has a candidate today in the open seat, next few weeks in virginia. i was just there where trump endorsed against bob good, and good was saying i'm the maga candidate, campaigning with steve bannon. the elections are still about who is most loyal to trump. you mentioned the criminal conviction of trump. we're ten days from that news. what are we seeing so far as to how it is impacting the presidential race? as you talk to republicans and democrats alike, we've seen polls move just slightly but move, just slightly, to president biden. do we think that's going to intensify, stay where it is, or fade away in the months before november? >> we were talking about immigration messaging for republicans. this is even more coherent. there is no one breaking against larry hogan, across the river from here, but almost nobody else in the republican party saying there is something legitimate in the court decision in new york. that matters. you have an entire party creating the structure for swing voters to say, i don't know about this conviction. they're trying to move the numbers. we saw two weeks ago the hypothetical conviction in new york was unpopular. we saw a fifth of trump voters said they might not vote for him if this happened. republicans are doing, day by day, saying, ignore this, forget about it. it is an attempt to get trump because they couldn't get him otherwise. let's see how far we can kick these other cases down the road. it has hurt on the margins, but -- and a two-point margin could matter in the race, but it is not the size republicans are worried about because of all the work they're doing in saying, pay no attention to the indictment behind the curtain. >> democrats had some focus on it but less coherent or consistent on the issue. >> yeah. >> politics reporter for semafor, dave weigel, thanks for being here. thanks for getting up "way too early" on this tuesday morning to all of you. 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